ik zie nu dat de tekst eronder staat @ reactie you tube ...quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 16:45 schreef yavanna het volgende:
Geen idee of onderstaand vertaling klopt, mijn arabisch is niet zo denderend.
Yesterday a plane landed with 2000 Kalashnikovs and 18 million dinars in our city, to act as a bribe in order to verify gaddafi's report that the city of Kufra is under his control. We say that we are with the youth of feb17, and have siezed the plane's ammunitions and distributed the kalashnikovs to the youth and have placed the money
Cool!quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 17:37 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
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ik zie nu dat de tekst eronder staat @ reactie you tube ...
quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 16:32 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
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Hij spreekt Saif Al-Islam tegen dat Kufra in Gadaffi's handen is. Kufra word 100% gecontroleerd door de oppositie. Geeft ook aan dat ze het vliegveld helemaal in handen hebben, daarnaast hebben ze ook een vliegtuig onderschept vol wapens en geld.
Maar het mooiste is wanneer hij Saif Al-Islam Saif al Shitan noemt. Zwaard van de Duivel
ik denk van wel ja , wie weet al zelf voor "doeleinden in gebruik " ; van mij mogen ze ! ( just dat zou ik willen ,voor medicijnen e.d . )quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 17:51 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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"have placed the money"? Zoiets als in: bewaren? In beslag nemen?
Ik kan me voorstellen dat mensen nu sowieso medicijnen e.d. weggeven. Je zag in Caro, toen de banken dicht waren, dat mensen met schuldbekentenissen gingen betalen.quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 17:57 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
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ik denk van wel ja , wie weet al zelf voor "doeleinden in gebruik " ; van mij mogen ze ! ( just dat zou ik willen ,voor medicijnen e.d . )
indd.quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 18:01 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Ik kan me voorstellen dat mensen nu sowieso medicijnen e.d. weggeven. Je zag in Caro, toen de banken dicht waren, dat mensen met schuldbekentenissen gingen betalen.
Maar het geld is sowieso mooi meegenomen natuurlijk.
Sorry, ik was weg. Ik kan bevestigen dat ik houda niet als bron in de dodenlijst zal gebruiken.quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 15:34 schreef raistlin6 het volgende:
BELANGRIJK!
@Jos
Je zei dan kan ik FOK! linken in mijn dodenlijst. Dat lijkt me een erg slecht idee, misschien wil je bron wel anoniem blijven. Eigenlijk is dat zeg maar gewoon zo.
WOW, echt heel erg mooiquote:
neequote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 19:09 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
jos ben jij dat op de chat bij de stream ???(volgens mij wel )
Ongetwijfeld, maar heb er zelf niks van gezienquote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 18:40 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
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ben net klaar , nog opzienbarend nieuws buiten houdoe
Haha. Mooie persiflage.quote:
http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSTRE71Q10Q20110227quote:WRAPUP 5-Libyan rebels hold western town: Gaddafi defiant
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* Clinton says U.S. "reaching out" to opposition in east
* Protesters in parts of Tripoli
* Gaddafi blames foreigners and al Qaeda for unrest
(Adds Gaddafi, Clinton, Hague, details)
By Maria Golovnina
ZAWIYAH, Libya, Feb 27 (Reuters) - Armed rebels opposed to Muammar Gaddafi were in control of Zawiyah, close to the capital Tripoli, on Sunday as the Libyan leader again vowed to cling on to his 41-year-old rule.
"The people want the fall of the regime," a crowd of several hundred chanted, using the slogan that has echoed across the Arab world in protests against authoritarian rulers.
"This is our revolution," they chanted, punching the air in celebration and defiance. Some stood on top of a captured tank, while others crowded around an anti-aircraft gun. Women stood on top of buildings cheering on the men below.
"Libya is the land of the free and honourable," a banner read. Another depicted Gaddafi's head with the body of a dog.
Bullet holes pock-marked charred buildings in Zawiyah, while burned-out vehicles lay abandoned.
The scene, only 50 km (30 miles) west of Tripoli, was another indication Gaddafi's grip on power was weakening.
Residents even in parts of Tripoli manned barricades proclaiming defiance after security forces melted away.
Serbian television quoted Gaddafi as blaming foreigners and al Qaeda for the unrest and condemning the U.N. Security Council for imposing sanctions and ordering a war crimes inquiry.
"Libya is safe, there are no conflicts, Tripoli is safe," he said. "The Security Council could not see Tripoli is safe."
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the United States was "reaching out" to opposition groups.
"We are reaching out to many different Libyans in the east as the revolution moves westward there as well ... it is too soon to see how this is going to play out," she said before leaving for Geneva to consult with allies.
The Security Council unanimously imposed travel and asset sanctions on Gaddafi and close aides on Saturday. It adopted an arms embargo and urged that his crackdown on protesters be referred to the International Criminal Court.
The death toll from nearly two weeks of violence in Libya has been estimated by some diplomats at about 2,000.
The unrest has helped drive oil above $112 a barrel. Although Libya only produces 2 percent of the world's oil and Saudi Arabia has boosted production, traders fear turmoil intensifying across the Arab world.
REBELS IN CONTROL
Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam said there was a "big gap between reality and media reports". "The whole south is calm. The west is calm. The middle is calm. Even part of the east."
As if to reinforce that point, authorities took a group of foreign journalists to Zawiyah, apparently to show they still held the town. But it was evident that rebels were in control.
Residents told of fierce fighting for control against pro-Gaddafi paramilitaries armed with heavy weapons.
"We are finished with Gaddafi. He will fall soon. He has to go now. We are losing patience," one man called Sabri said.
"Gaddafi is crazy. His people shot at us using rocket-propelled grenades," said one man, who gave his name as Mustafa. Another man, called Chawki, said: "We need justice. People are being killed. Gaddafi's people shot my nephew."
A doctor at a makeshift clinic in the town mosque said 24 people had been killed in fighting with government loyalists over the previous three days, and a small park next to the main square had been turned into a burial ground.
"We need more medicine, more food and more doctors," said Youssef Mustafa, a doctor. There are a lot of good doctors in Libya but they cannot get into Zawiyah."
Local people said they had captured 11 pro-Gaddafi fighters, unhurt, and showed reporters two being held in a cell in the town's main mosque. Some 50,000 people, many of the migrant workers, have fled west to Tunisia since Feb. 21.
"ENEMY OF GOD"
Locals in Tajoura, a poor neighbourhood of Tripoli, had erected barricades of rocks and palm trees across rubbish-strewn streets, and graffiti covered many walls. Bullet holes in the walls of the houses bore testimony to the violence.
Residents said troops fired on demonstrators who tried to march from Tajoura to central Green Square overnight, killing at least five. The number could not be independently confirmed.
"Gaddafi is the enemy of God!" a crowd chanted on Saturday at the funeral of a man they said was shot by Gaddafi loyalists.
Libyan state television again showed a crowd chanting their loyalty to Gaddafi in Green Square on Saturday. But journalists there estimated their number at scarcely 200.
There were queues outside banks in Tripoli for the 500 Libyan dinars ($400) the government had promised it would start distributing on Sunday to each family.
Many did not get the cash. "They just took a photocopy of our ID and registered people on a list," said one man.
From Misrata, a city 200 km (120 miles) east of Tripoli, residents said by phone a thrust by forces loyal to Gaddafi, operating from the airport, had been rebuffed with bloodshed.
But Libyan exile groups said later aircraft were firing on the city's radio station.
In the second city of Benghazi, which broke free from Gaddafi's rule a week ago, opponents of the 68-year-old leader said they had formed a National Libyan Council to be the face of the revolution, but it was unclear who they represented. They said they did not want foreign intervention and had not made contact with foreign governments.
U.N. SANCTIONS
Western leaders, emboldened by evacuations that have cut the numbers of their citizens stranded in the vast desert state, spoke out more clearly against Gaddafi's 41-year rule.
"The EU had already started to work on restrictive measures such as assets freeze, travel ban and arms embargo," said a statement from EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton.
Italy's Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said a friendship and cooperation treaty with Libya was "de facto suspended".
"We have reached, I believe, a point of no return," Frattini said, adding it was "inevitable" for Gaddafi to leave power.
Britain revoked his diplomatic immunity. "It is time for Colonel Gaddafi to go," Foreign Secretary William Hague said.
Talk of possible military action by foreign governments remained vague. It was unclear how long Gaddafi, with some thousands of loyalists -- including his tribesmen and military units commanded by his sons -- might hold out against rebel forces comprised of youthful gunmen and mutinous soldiers. (Additional reporting by Yvonne Bell and Chris Helgren in Tripoli, Marie-Louise Gumuchian and Souhail Karam in Rabat, Dina Zayed and Caroline Drees in Cairo, Tom Pfeiffer, Alexander Dziadosz and Mohammed Abbas in Benghazi, Arshad Mohammed in Washington and Louis Charbonneau at the United Nations; Writing by Andrew Roche; editing by Jon Boyle)
later nog 2 berichten over tripoli ;quote:Interested_Dutchman: From Tripoli what is the current situation in Tripoli ?
From Tripoli: I am fed up with the isolation we have around the city, tanks and heavy guns
From Tripoli: Completely like aghost
From Tripoli: no movement
From Tripoli: wiating on you guys to come and help us
From Tripoli: I mean no movement as usual days, people are under great fear since friday killing
From Tripoli: Are there people coming from Benghazi?
Libiyeh: yes there are people from everywhere trying to get to Tripoli
From Tripoli: We are waiting on you guys to come and free Tripoli, otherwise we will move to Benghazi all
From Tripoli: Are you coming to FREE Tripoli SOON?
pease: From Tripoli: As far as I know opposition forces are progressing towards Tripoli, don't know when they'll be there
From Tripoli: pease, many thanks. We ARE Fedding up from the quiteness here
pease: from tripoli: check info sources here http://rev11.info
from Tripoli: We want FREEDOM for Tripoli PLEASE
pease: From Tripoli: Freedom coming to you as soon as possible, try to hang on a while
From Tripoli: pease:... I am fraid to lose the momentoum
From Tripoli: It is quite today here, no protesting! This makes me feel that ( de rest mist , werd niet gepost )
From Tripoli: Ya Rab FREEDOM for Tripoli
Thanks voor de moeite! Ik had die stream nog niet eerder bekeken en het komt heel vreemd over om er zo bovenop te zitten. Ik was die dutchman overigens ook nietquote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 19:56 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
aangezien het toch niet al te druk is ff wat posts van iemand uit tripoli op de chat van de livestream ( andere berichten die daar niet over gingen ertussen uit gehaald )
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later nog 2 berichten over tripoli ;
member of comitee popular of Nalout said : many towns of th west libya prepared walk on Tripoli
many towns of the west of libya prepered operation on Tripoli
had ik net de email van die mo daar maar had em gekopieerd , en daarna iets anders gekopieerd ..
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tevens had ik eindelijk de naam van die man van het council , maar die is dus ook weg grlmbl
ik weet wel dat nog niet iedereen hm vertrouwd ( reactie's daar te zien )
quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:00 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
iyad_elbaghdadi
Still within Tripoli, there have been strange activity at Mitiga airport. Suspect that more mercenaries have just been brought in. #Libya
14 minutes ago via web
Now to make this easy for you guys to visualize, I'll work on a detailed western #Libya/Tripoli area map so you can place these events.
15 minutes ago via web
As for Tajoura, popularly it has fallen, but Gaddafi units can still be seen there. They look dispersed and not very organized. #Libya
16 minutes ago via web
Mitiga airport, rumored to have fallen, is in fact a Gaddafi stronghold. He has infantry and tanks there. #Libya
quote:iyad_elbaghdadi
People who had previous come to Tripoli (visiting) from nearby towns are now urged not to go back. The road is not safe. #Libya
2 minutes ago via web
The atmosphere in Tajoura in particular is very very tense. People ready to pounce at any moment. Ripe for revolution. #Libya
5 minutes ago via web
He's recently married, his wife is 7-months pregnant with their first child. They live in Tajoura. His funeral was today. #Libya
6 minutes ago via web
I posted yesterday, about the protester killed in Al-Hani district (); I have more info about the man. #Libya
7 minutes ago via web
They're lucky to be alive. #Libya
8 minutes ago via web
After they made the calls, their mobiles were taken away. They were told to stay at home, or will be shot. #Libya
9 minutes ago via web
My contact says three youths they know were asked at gunpoint to call TV stations and report that "everything is quiet and normal." #Libya
9 minutes ago via web
Rumors that "schools have opened in #Tripoli" are regime propaganda. No one is crazy enough to let his children out. #Libya
10 minutes ago via web
Today many people in #Tripoli headed to banks; they insist it's not coz they support the freak, it's coz they're low on food at home. #Libya
11 minutes ago via web
Shops are closed, even the ones that are open have almost no stock left. Still open are mostly pharmacies and food stores. #Libya #Tripoli
12 minutes ago via web
Moving on to the living conditions in Tripoli... #Libya
13 minutes ago via web
Also heard about attempts to fly in "supporters" from Sabha, of course paying them handsomely. Don't know how that went. #Libya
LibyaFeb17_com Libyan Youthquote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:02 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
NOS: Regime nodigde journalisten uit in Zawia om te laten zien hoe goed het ging. Staat de oppositie daar te demonstreren.
Bedankt! Inderdaad, prachtige foto's! Ik heb gewoon een beetje op google gezocht en toen kwam ik heel veel foto's tegen.quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 18:49 schreef -jos- het volgende:
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WOW, echt heel erg mooi
Op dit soort momenten is de uitspraak 'beelden zeggen meer dan woorden' wel toepasselijk
Trouwens wel een vraagje, ik zie van Egypte wel fotos die ik niet herken, heb je die van een lijst gehaald die niet in de OP staat ofzo?
graag gedaan !quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:01 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
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Thanks voor de moeite! Ik had die stream nog niet eerder bekeken en het komt heel vreemd over om er zo bovenop te zitten. Ik was die dutchman overigens ook niet
Die naam van die spokesman hadden we toch al, of was dat niet de goeie?
ah oke, goed werkquote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:04 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:
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Bedankt! Inderdaad, prachtige foto's! Ik heb gewoon een beetje op google gezocht en toen kwam ik heel veel foto's tegen.
zonder dat ze beschoten worden? lijkt erop dat er dan ook rustig gedemonstreerd mag worden in libie.....quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:02 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
NOS: Regime nodigde journalisten uit in Zawia om te laten zien hoe goed het ging. Staat de oppositie daar te demonstreren.
Denk je dat ze die demonstranten even onder vuur nemen met de internationale media erbijquote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:09 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
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zonder dat ze beschoten worden? lijkt erop dat er dan ook rustig gedemonstreerd mag worden in libie.....
quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:05 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
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graag gedaan !
werden op gegeven moment 2 namen hier genoemd , ik zag een volledige naam , vermoed dat dat ging om de naam die raistlin noemde ..
ergste vind ik dat ik email adres ben kwijtgeraakt , weet nog een deel .. thunder nogiets
grlmbl . anders had k em kunnen mailen met een paar vragen .. ik weet wel die dutchman heeft hem toegevoegd op msn lol riep paar x i don't know if you have msn , but i added you ..
ik denk dat msnen helemaal niet zal gebeuren , ik vermoed dat mailen zelfs al lastig is , die mo is superdruk ..
Mijn complimenten Barthoquote:
nee indd. lijken niet echt he !quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:10 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
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Nou dat was hem volgens mij iniedergeval niet.
ik wacht op zn nieuwe "map"quote:iyad_elbaghdadi
I'm having serious Twitter issues now.
less than 10 seconds ago via TweetDeck
Waiting for Sabha, that will be a game-changer. #Libya
less than 20 seconds ago via TweetDeck
I have exciting news about Ghadamis, it seems that it's finally flying the independence flag! #Libya
1 minute ago via TweetDeck
My contacts for the most part are using satellite internet + proxies + anonymizers. #Libya
2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Most people in #Libya are used to using proxies and have perfected the art of reaching "blocked" sites. #Tripoli
2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Twitter problems now.
3 minutes ago via TweetDeck
However most people in #Libya are used to using proxies and have perfected the art of reaching "blocked" sites. #Tripoli
6 minutes ago via web
People in #Tripoli have internet, but only through the regime connections. That means Facebook & Twitter blocked. #Libya
7 minutes ago via web
Main effort I'll do now is try to put together a map showing (from multiple sources) where Gaddafi men are. #Libya
7 minutes ago via web
OK so that was my report. There's a lot more going on that I won't say, in order not to compromise people on the ground. #Libya
8 minutes ago via web
That said, it's probably safe to call people in the east or even in Misurata by phone. #Libya
9 minutes ago via web
And incoming international calls are tracked by the regime. That puts the person being called in danger. #Libya
9 minutes ago via web
People in #Tripoli can call each other, but cannot make outgoing international calls. #Libya
9 minutes ago via web
Several sources have provided me with phone numbers, but it's dangerous so I refused to call. I don't want to put them in danger. #Libya
10 minutes ago via web
OK, more about life in #Tripoli right now. #Libya
10 minutes ago via web
huh die bovenste die er nu ook bij staat is dat dezlefde als de onderste ?quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:12 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
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nee indd. lijken niet echt he !
Door wie? Zawia is in handen van de oppositie, blijkbaar.quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:09 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
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zonder dat ze beschoten worden?
zo te zien wel... (zelfde pak ook)quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:14 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
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huh die bovenste die er nu ook bij staat is dat dezlefde als de onderste ?
Of het waar is of niet, dit is dus helemaal niet te verifiren zonder analyse.quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:08 schreef shomila het volgende:
Chemical weapons seized by the Revolution youth from Hamza battalion in #Misurata #Libya /@libyano2011
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oh ik vond ze eigenlijk wel beetje verschillend , maar zal de lichtinval zijn denk ik ,, ja klopt , zie nu ook pas van dat pak ..thnx!quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 20:16 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
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zo te zien wel... (zelfde pak ook)
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