9/11 #41 waar Wikileaks met nieuwe "onthullingen" is gekomen

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Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 11:15 schreef DuTank het volgende:

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Daarnaast lijken mij handtassen meestal van leer ofzo. Volgens mij blijft dat redelijk heel, in vergelijking met een plastic kaartje. Ik zou verwachten dat door het instorten en de druk van al de klap en al het puin, dat er een (verscheurde) handtas uitkomt en een kapotte bankpas. Die dingen breken al als je erop gaat zitten.

Dat inderdaad. Daarnaast vind ik het wel opmerkelijk dat juist weer dé bekende Ingeborg Lariby portretfoto, die o.a. op de memorials is terug te vinden, op haar Citibank bankpas prijkt. Alsof ze dus maar 1 portretfoto voor handen hadden om het 'verhaal' te prepareren.

Edit: Niet relevant

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Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 16:49 schreef DuTank het volgende:
Culto, jouw werk overtuigd mij wel dat er iets niet klopt, maar mijn vraag is: waarom? (niet een waarom op jouw werk, maar op het werk van Regus zeg maar)

Goed werk Culto! Weer eentje die in begint te zien dat 9/11 een media hoax was om een vuile oorlog te starten!

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Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 19:26 schreef DuTank het volgende:

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ja dat het een hoax is om een vuile oorlog (niet zo zeer in afghanistan, maar wel tegen het "terrorisme") te starten had ik wel gezien, maar die rariteiten omtrent de slachtoffers die hier genoemd worden... vaag gewoon..

Ga maar eens een beetje door de Legacy en CNN memorial browsen en lees wat en kijk wat foto's, dan zal er na verloop van tijd wel een kwartje gaan vallen bij je

Om te beginnen hier alvast nog een voorproefje van iets wat men is tegengekomen (in een ouder draadje al eens eerder gepost):

THE HUG-ME CLONES "Hug me! It makes me so much realer!"










Dan nog een ander apart geval:


Soms waren ze gewoonweg lui:



RICKNAUTH JAGGERNAUTH (geloof me...dit is echt de naam van een victim )













EMMANUEL AFUAKWAH
any relatives out there?


_{(inserted screenshot at right from the "FRED og FRIHED" memorial)}

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Hey, parents/relatives/friends of Emmanuel Afuakwah!!! Are you listening?

I'm Simon Shack and I would like to let you know that those idiots at "VOICES OF SEPTEMBER 11" have swapped your son's portrait with another guy (Alok Agarwal). But wait ! - they both look awfully alike! And they were both 37? Were they twins with different surnames? Anyhow, are you going to do something about it? Or will you let the $1 billion 9/11 Memorial & Museum open their doors with the wrong picture of Emmanuel under his name?

En dan nog deze comment er onder:

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Now, seriously: They've evidently made up 2 VicSims with the same template of the same face! What a horrid mess.

The ultimate irony of it all is that WE on this forum often get accused of "disrespecting the 9/11 victims" !

Andre Bonheur: http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/4359.html





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Hier staat de foto (opslaan en openen met Notepad):

http://terror.fredogfrihe(...)shington091101-6.htm

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Op zondag 27 maart 2011 08:33 schreef Culto het volgende:

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Dank je..
Dit kompliment ga ik meteen doorgeven aan het team van Brave New World, die maken het uiteindelijk mogelijk dat dit soort ultra-gevoelige zaken toch aan de orde gesteld kan worden 10 jaar na 9/11. Dank daarvoor!

Zeker top dat BNW er is!

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Ik ga hier even een hele smerige copy/paste neerzetten. Dit zouden de mensen die nog steeds denken dat er vliegtuigen de torens in zijn gevlogen eens moeten lezen.

Basically you are BELIEVING in a fairy tale. Let's stick to facts. No serial numbered plane parts have been identified at ANY of the 4 supposed crash sites. The only "proof" we have of planes crashing is in fake videos.... and any intelligent person will understand how ludicrous it is to draw conclusions based on "evidence" found in fabricated videos...

In regards to what people saw it was only media affiltaes that seem to see an airliner in fact many witness reported seeing a missile... Lets here there accounts

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION N°4:

Q: “What about the thousands of eye-witnesses in Manhattan ?”

A: There is no denying the existence of a large amount of eye-witness testimonies reported by the mainstream media - and even by more credible, independent sources. The vast majority refer to the sightings of the 2nd event at WTC2 - while strikingly few refer to the 1st event at WTC1. With this in mind - and permitting that witness reports might be a reliable source of information - we should concentrate on the available witness reports.

Of course, eye-witness testimonies are notoriously unreliable, particularly in the case of brief, rapidly unfolding events. In spite of this commonly-accepted fact, many people seem to be strongly attached to what (they perceive) was reported by "thousands" of eye-witnesses in Manhattan. A key question should be raised: Did most people report a “large passenger airliner?” The firm answer to this is: No.

Of those people who provided details of the object they saw, the majority reported anything but a large airliner. I submit below a cross-section of such testimonies: Of course, this selective list is only meant to get an idea of the variety of the 9/11 eye-witness reports – and is not intended to establish any conclusive proof. However, it goes to show that there was no general consensus on what precisely hit WTC2 :

SELECTED EYEWITNESS REPORTS DESCRIBING OBJECT STRIKING WTC2:

A SMALL PLANE
1. "At that point we were still not sure that it was a plane that had hit the tower. There was some talk from the civilians coming down that a plane hit. The consensus was that it was a small plane."- Credited to: Roy Chelson

A CESSNA OR LEAR JET TYPE OR...
2. “Numerous civilians were telling me that a plane had hit the building. There were discrepancies as to the type of plane. Some were saying it was a Cessna or Lear jet type, a small jet plane. Some said it was a large passenger plane. One person actually said that it was like a military style plane that actually shot missiles into the building”. - Credited to: Anthony Bartolomey

A SMALL (TRAINING) PLANE
3. “I saw it come up from the left, and I saw the plane coming through to the building, go inside, a small plane….no, no, it was plane, you know, like they teach the people to pilot a plane, a small plane, you know, it was that kind of plane…, and I never saw that plane before. It's like something, I don't know, it's like they worked with the motors, I never saw a plane like that before!”- Credited to: Karim Arraki

A CESSNA
4. “I was on my way to work…traffic was excellent…I received a call saying a small Cessna had hit the World trade Center…I was asked to go and man the Office of Emergency Management at the World Trade Center 7 on its 23d floor…” – Credited to: Barry Jennings

LIKE A SMALLER PLANE
5. “I was waiting a table and I literally saw a, it seemed to be a small plane. I just heard a couple of noises, it looked like it like it ‘bounced’ off the building and then I heard a, I just saw a huge like ball of fire on top and then the smoke seemed to simmer down…it just seemed like a smaller plane, I don’t think it was anything commercial.”- Stuart Nurick, LIVE on CBS NEWS

A SMALL, SMALL JET PLANE
6. “…We saw a plane flying low overhead which caught all of our attention. We looked up. It was making a b-line for the World Trade Centre. It was very low, extremely low, not a big plane like an airliner …uh… but not a tiny propeller plane, a small, small jet plane.”- Credited to: Mary Cozza

A LIGHT COMMUTER PLANE
7. "I mean, I hate to admit this, but I'm sitting there hoping that someone has made a mistake; there has been an accident; that this isn't the hijacked airplane, because there is confusion. We were told it was a light commuter airplane." Credited to: (news report)

THOUGHT PLANE WAS MUCH SMALLER
8. "I thought it could have been an accident...I thought the plane was much smaller..."- Credited to: Sid Bedingfield

A PROP JET
9. "I was told by somebody that we had an eyewitness who happened to be an off-duty firefighter who told me that he saw the first building get hit and it was hit by a prop jet, which I think turned out to be the wrong information, but everybody sees things differently."- Credited to: Steven Mosiello

A SMALLER TYPE PLANE
10. "And we went to a high point in our building, which is on the 25th floor, and you had a clear view of both World Trade Centers and the one that was smoking hard, and there was another plane that was flying low, and we just looked at it, and before we know it, it was just kamikaze, boom, right into the other tower... but it didn't seem like a big passenger jet. It was a smaller type plane, because it made some pretty radical turn, and flying low..." - Credited to: Mr. Tractsonburg

A SMALL JET
11. “We’re walking the dogs and we saw a plane flying really low, a jet, a small jet, and it flew directly into the World Trade Center..”- Credited to: (news report)

SMALL CARGO MILITARY
12. I got out of the car, and I told Larry I saw an FBI agent and I was going to start talking to him. I gave him my card, and he gave me a card. I said I thought that that second plane that went into the south tower was a military plane, like a transport or small cargo military. - Credited to: Battalion Chief Brian O’Flaherty

A BOMB....A MISSILE
13. "Hey Grandpa, I'll tell you what woke me up. They bombed the World Trade Centre. I'm looking at it and Mi-Kyung's video taping it. Terrible. I heard, Grandpa, I saw it. It could have been a plane, but I think it was a bomb...a missile...er...this could be world war three."- Credited to: Mi Kyung Heller

LIKE A MISSILE
14. “…I can only describe as, it sounded like a missile, not an airplane….it was definitely not the sound of a prop plane or anything like that….I grew up on military bases and I know the sound of jets and I’ve been in war zones and heard those kinds of different sounds….the sound itself was not of a prop plane , it was perhaps a jet, but it could have been a missile as well….it was high pitched, but it had a…er…a…whooshing sound, not, not like a prop plane…”- Don Dahler, LIVE on ABC TV

A ROCKET
15. “It was a big fireball or something from the plane I guess, came from across the street in front of our rig, and as we get out of the rig, there's a cop, city police officer, in the street. He's telling us, "I'm getting out of here. I just saw a rocket." He said he saw it come off the Woolworth Building and hit the tower”. - Credited to: Peter Fallucca

SOMETHING - PLANE OR MISSILE
16. “At that point I assumed you can't have two -- it can't be an accident to have two planes. So, I don't know if there's planes or missiles or what but something was hitting this thing. You saw debris was falling down.“ - Credited to: Brian Dixon

NOT A BIG PLANE
17. ”I was saying to him, "That plane is closer to us. It's really not a big plane going towards the building." Two seconds later it rammed into the building. "- Credited to: James Murphy

THOUGHT THEY SAW A MISSILE
18. " Some people thought they saw a missile, now I don't know how they could differentiate, but we might leave open the possibility that this was a missile attack on these buildings ..." Dick Oliver, LIVE on FOX News

LIKE THE SIZE OF A GOLF BALL
19. “I saw two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the middle just disappeared into a little fireball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions.” - Credited to: Patricia Ondrovic

See: Report on NYC First Responder 9-11 Accounts (PDF 4,79 MB)

Note that 'missile' is mentioned in no uncertain terms even by a few newsmedia people: What to do with those? Did they simply tell the truth? Or were they actually instructed to do so? The latter option is theorized by some and may well be contemplated: If a "Joe Public" had very clearly seen a missile, he would undoubtedly find comfort in the fact that even war-zone experts like ABC's Don Dahler had been initially 'mistaken' as to what he saw. The endless TV replays of the BOEING 767 animation would have eventually put Joe's torments to rest. The TV images would have "cleansed" his recollections.

Generally speaking, the eye-witnesses on record reported a smaller airborne object than a wide-body passenger airliner. This fact alone is, to say the least, rather puzzling : how can a large, low-flying and very loud BOEING 767 be mistaken for a “small aircraft” by so many people? Try to picture yourself in New York that day: would you possibly have mistaken a 767 passing 700ft above you for a "small plane"?

Take “Flight 11”, for instance (the first alleged "hijacked plane"): It would have roared across the full length of Manhattan – from tip to toe, at full thrust and extremely low altitude: tens of thousands should recall that deafening event - yet hardly any witnesses on record (but a handful of newsmedia people) ever mention it.

In regards to 1000s of witness that is a myth a big fat lie.. I have gone through what numbers I can see. And I have only found 355 on count.

Eyewitness to a flying object on 9/11.... Total so far...

Mainstream Media Eye witness* ---13

SEAN MURTAGH --- CNN Vice President of finance,
OWEN MOOGAN--- Producer of “Fox Report”
MARK OBENHAUS--- Senior ABC producer.
DR JAY ADLERSBERG--- Medical reporter for ABC eyewitness news.
MARK D. BIRNBACH--- Fox TV Employee
ERIC SHAWN--- Fox TV expert and war correspondent.
WINSTON MITCHELL--- Onsite CNN producer.
VINCE CELLINI--- CNN Sports Commentator.
DON DAHLER--- ABC Reporter and war correspondent (Iraq a + afghan) --- There was a large sound which I could only describe as a “MISSILE”
JIM FRIEDL-- - Normal Eyewitness,--
DICK OLIVER--- FOX Reporter. Quote “they saw a missile”
JANE DERENOWISKI--- MSNBC Producer.
ELLIOT WALKER --- NBC Producer.

Emergency Workers Eyewitness* ---291

Here are the official oral histories from the emergency workers.....
http://graphics8.nytimes.(...)stories_full_01.html

"The words “plane jet airplane aircraft” were found in 426 accounts, 1770 times. The final account Sample Size was used for the “Witnesses to a plane” study was 291."
Source-- http://www.checktheeviden(...)iew&id=134&Itemid=60

List from warrior hun...

Various Filmers and people associated with media and production* ---29

Naudet Brothers
Kevin Segalla
Kim Abramson
Mi-Kyung Heller
Jim Huibregtse
Pilots Walsh & Hayes
Mohammed Award
Angelo Martin
Park Foreman
Scott Myers
Evan Fairbanks
Michael Kovalenko
Ronald S Pordy
Michael Toole
Lesli Klainberg
Luigi Cazzaniga
Bruno Levy
Devin Clark
Steve Spak
Etienne Sauret
Stewart Nurick
Theresa Renaud
Mary Cozza
Sid Bedingfield
Christian Martin
Shachar Bar-Un
Jeanne Yurman -
Frederick Schneider
Gary welz

Average person on the street* ---20

The Harley shirt guy
The well orientated eyewitness
The Drama guy
The over actor
The Msnbc Anonymous witness
Tony Arrigo
Roy Chelson
Anthony Bartolomey
Karim Arraki
Barry Jennings
Mary Cozza
Sid Bedingfield
Steven Mosiello
Mr. Tractsonburg
Brian O’Flaherty
Mi Kyung Heller
Peter Fallucca
James Murphy
Patricia Ondrovic
Stewart Nurick

Only 20---- are accredited to people on the street.

Ok so far we have the total of witness to a flying object on 9/11 * -----353

* The Majority of these accounts do not state a commercial airliner by any means in fact they insist on something smaller possibly even a missile...

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 21:05 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
ik zie jokkie al smilen:

http://www.infowars.com/i(...)age-for-fake-advert/

Interessant. De poster is afkomstig van hetzelfde advocatenkantoor dat "de claims" in behandeling neemt van de rescueworkers die ziek zouden zijn geworden.



Waarom denk ik nu toch dat dit gewoon weer een onderdeel van de grote boze hoax is? Ik vind het gewoon toevallig dat de man op de afbeelding wederom een media gerelateerd persoon is, sterker nog, een acteur. Deze zelfde parttime acteur is in 2004 ineens brandweerman geworden en claimt:

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'I had friends who died on 9/11. How can I look their families in the eye if they see this picture, thinking I'm trying to make money on their [loved ones'] deaths? They'd probably think I'm a scumbag.'

If you were there, call us.

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Op dinsdag 29 maart 2011 19:27 schreef polderturk het volgende:

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Dit is uitstekend werk van jouw kant jokkebrok!

Bedankt, maar het was eigenlijk Simon Shack (Septemberclues) zijn werk.

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Op dinsdag 29 maart 2011 19:58 schreef Flodder450 het volgende:
Een beetje een rare vraag maar goed

als de torens helemaal hol waren,en alleen de kern en de buitenmuren er zaten,waar kwam al het stof dan vandaan?

Waar haal je vandaan dat te torens hol waren, in de letterlijke zin van het woord?

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Op dinsdag 29 maart 2011 21:09 schreef Flodder450 het volgende:

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sommige theorieën beweren dat de torens slechts een soort van propostie/decoorstuk waren,alleen de verdiepingen die voor het publiek toegangkelijk waren zouden zijn gebouwd,(dus de rest is noot gebouwd)

Zelf vind ik die gedachte nogal ver gaan. Toch denk ik dat er wel een kern van waarheid in zit, maar dat het in werkelijkheid veel genuanceerder ligt. Lees de startpost van dit topic maar eens goed door, wellicht dat je dan een beeld krijgt van hoe de torens er bij stonden. Tevens onderstaande stuk sluit goed aan bij de foto's die zijn gemaakt door kunstenaars uit Wenen die een tijdje verschillende verdiepingen van het WTC hebben bewoond.

Hieronder wat stukjes uit "Divided we stand" van Eric Darton (1999) die wellicht vrij verhelderend kunnen zijn voor diegenen die niet weten of diegenen waarbij het kwartje niet wil vallen, dat de torens eigenlijk gewoon overtollige en uitgewoonde en grotendeels leegstaande spook gebouwen waren en dat mogelijk al ver voor 2001.

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(from p.190)
DETAILS: THE PHYSICAL PLANT

Pacing out the periphery of the trade towers in the late 1990s, one nav-
igated a cracked badlands of sidewalk crudely patched with mismatch-
ing cement. The weathered, gray (originally white) Italian marble
paving on the plaza was a spiderweb of cracks, a condition that under-
mined the addition of benches and flowerbeds and the tinkling medley
of new-age harmonics emanating from a score of tiny speakers mounted
beneath Yamasaki's arcades. Construction equipment and barricades
around the site appeared to have been deployed and then abandoned
by a retreating army.

And up in the towers, where asbestos removal was still under way,
a host of details pointed toward a rift opening up within the trade cen-
ter itself. In 1985, when New York State moved most of its offices out,
Dean Witter consolidated its operations in twenty-four floors of Tower
2 under a twenty-year lease. Visiting the brokerage and investment
firm's offices and cafeterias, one invariably found them spotlessly
maintained. But on adjacent floors, particularly those with multiple
tenants, the paint was dingy, the carpets were stained, fixtures re-
mained broken, and burned-out fluorescent lights went unreplaced, as
did discolored ceiling tiles. And the listing of a company on the direc-
tory did not reliably indicate that a company was still there.

And who indeed was there, inhabiting the self-proclaimed heart of
world trade? In 1966, as the PA was bulldozing Radio Row, the City
Planning Commission reported that "the prime objective of the WTC is
to simplify and expand international trade by centralizing and consoli-
dating within the Center essential world trade services and activi-
ties.... The Center will contain only government agencies and private
firms which play a part in international marketing and in the adminis-
trative processing of world trade. " Yet according to its own
1993 occupancy survey, the Port Authority found that trade service and
import-export tenants accounted for only 5 percent of its leases.

The Port Authority closed out the 1990s with a stream of press re-
leases announcing the rental of unimaginably huge quantities of trade
center office space to "cutting-edge" firms like Sun Microsystems. Yet
around the complex a million square feet stood empty, and the build-
ings originally intended as great catalyzing chambers of world trade
were, by degrees, transforming into a kind of disjunctive real estate
layer-cake. One story above the carpeted, wood-paneled offices of a
Japanese securities firm, a group of artists filled bare walls with boldly
colored images and hung sculptures from the exposed ceiling girders of
a vast echoing cavern. As part of a Lower Manhattan Cultural Council
program that turned some of the vacant space in the towers over to
artists rent-free, 40,000 square feet of concrete floor lay paint-
spattered and strewn with the raw materials of a creative urge that has
never been easily reconciled with the imperatives of a bottom line.

On page 204, Eric Darton mentions what is defined as 'the modest economy boost'
of the WTC1993 bombings (I kid you not!) which allowed to relocate
350 bombed-out trade center tenants into vacant office space nearby...

from p. 204

In January 1996, Governor Pataki announced that he was moving
the trade center's last state tenant, the governor's office itself, to cheaper,
more convenient space in midtown.

ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE

The February 1993 blast in the basement of the World Trade Center
killed 6 people, injured 1,000 others, displaced 50,000 workers, and
threw 900 Vista Hotel and Windows on the World employees out of
work, but it also provided a modest boost for the regional economy.
This, at any rate, was the conclusion the Port Authority came to in an
April 1993 report released six weeks after the bombing.

(...)

For the agency, this silver lining was due in part to the ease with
which the 350 bombed-out trade center tenants could be moved into
abundant vacant office space nearby. Breathing an almost palpable
sigh of relief, then-PA chair Richard Leone noted that relocating ten-
ants would have been far more protracted and expensive had the ex-
plosion occurred in the boom year of 1985.

In ieder geval informeert het materiaal uit Darton's boek uit 1999 ons dat:

- Na de aanslagen in 1993, 50.000 werknemers (350 huurders) naar een andere lokatie buiten het WTC zijn verhuisd.

- Aan het eind van de jaren negentig, " a stream of press releases announced the rental of unimaginably huge quantities of trade center office space."

Je kunt jezelf dan gaan afvragen:

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Could they possibly have "re-populated" the WTC towers virtually - with a string of unimaginably phony press releases?

http://www.amazon.com/Div(...)Center/dp/0465017274






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Op woensdag 30 maart 2011 17:07 schreef Culto het volgende:

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Over welke "350 huurders" uit 1993 heeft de Port Authority het eigenlijk dan?!

Want volgens hun eigen "WTC Occupancy List 1972-2001" waren er tijdens de 1993 bombing in totaal slechts 91 huurders in het WTC....

Zie de FOIA-list van afkomstig van de Port Authority zelf:
http://www.editgrid.com/l(...)upancy_WTC_1972-2001

Die "350" is weer zo'n leugen die erbij gehaald wordt om de illusie te creeren dat die Towers tjokkievol met huurders en kantoorpersoneel zaten...
Larry McWilliams van Letsrollforums heeft dit als eerste aan de orde gesteld in deze post:
http://letsrollforums.com/showpost.php?p=195211&postcount=2

In de startpost van dit topic van J0kkebr0k staat deze quote uit diezelfde thread op letsroll:

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Daarom is de "hollow towers"- research zo belangrijk:
De claims van WTC-huurders dat hun medewerkers/klanten omgekomen zouden zijn op 9/11 kun je direkt debunken als blijkt dat ze niet eens kantoorruimte hadden in de Towers..

Yup.. weer zo'n discrepantie! Scherp!

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Op woensdag 30 maart 2011 17:56 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Bestaat hier eigenlijk een fatsoenlijke studie naar? Google is niet echt heel behulpzaam in dit opzicht. Het lijkt mij in ieder geval niet echt een voor de hand liggende reden om de hele torens voor te moeten slopen. Waarom kon niet gewoon de sier facade vervangen worden? Om maar eens een voorbeeldje te geven.

Hoezo.... "gewoon de sier facace"? Waarom zou de asbest alleen in de sierfacade verwerkt zijn?

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Op donderdag 31 maart 2011 23:51 schreef Lambiekje het volgende:

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sowieso de first helpers.

Waarom zijn dat wel echte personen dan?

Een aantal zien er toch wel zeer vreemd (lees: verre van realistisch) uit, maar goed... dat op zich bewijst niets, dat realiseer ik me natuurlijk ook wel. Maar kijk maar eens goed naar ieder individueel foto'tje en dan gaan je wenkbrauwen vast wel fronsen (foto's zijn klikbaar):















Hmm.. soms is het een blanke... en soms een negert!


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