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Heb jij een glazen bol om te weten dat het geen grote gevolgen zal hebben. Ik zou persoonlijk not amused zijnquote:Op zondag 28 november 2010 22:26 schreef Hephaistos. het volgende:
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Ach, die oordelen van Amerikaanse diplomaten over Merkel, Sarkozy, Berlusconi... Het is allemaal amusant om eens te lezen hoor, maar zal echt geen grote gevolgen hebben.
Die insurance-file zijn de cables?quote:Op zondag 28 november 2010 22:27 schreef KingOfMars het volgende:
Nou kom maar op met die decrypt key...
Bron?
'And I called your name,
like an addicted to cocaine calls for the stuff he'd rather blame'
like an addicted to cocaine calls for the stuff he'd rather blame'
Medvedev is Robin van Batman Putin 
When people do counterfeiting , they go to jail , when public servants do that they get re-elected
Heb ik niet, ik ben gewoon benieuwd. Als deze file de cables bevat zou dat kennelijk snel duidelijk moeten worden.quote:
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Die insurance-file zijn de cables?
Bron?
Denk je dat ze in die landen geen diplomaten hebben met dat soort oordelen over andere staatshoofden? Kom op, het zijn stuk voor stuk geharde politici met enorme verantwoordelijkheden, die liggen heus niet wakker van dit soort dingen.quote:
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Heb jij een glazen bol om te weten dat het geen grote gevolgen zal hebben. Ik zou persoonlijk not amused zijn
Straks heeft wikileaks dus ook bloed aan haar handen.quote:
Taliban prepare to punish WikiLeaks Afghan informers
Taliban courts are preparing to try and punish any Afghan informers identified in thousands of sensitive documents due for imminent release by the WikiLeaks whistleblower website.
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http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)fghan-informers.html
Nou goed bezig....
Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft.....
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
Toch wordt het een stuk moeilijker om te doen of het tot het politieke spel behoort als het volk óók weet dat je zogenaamde bondgenoot alles behalve vriendelijk is.quote:
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Denk je dat ze in die landen geen diplomaten hebben met dat soort oordelen over andere staatshoofden? Kom op, het zijn stuk voor stuk geharde politici met enorme verantwoordelijkheden, die liggen heus niet wakker van dit soort dingen.
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE PETER T. KING, NEW YORK REPUBLICAN
Urged U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to designate WikiLeaks a Foreign Terrorist Organization.
"WikiLeaks presents a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States. I strongly urge you to work within the Administration to use every offensive capability of the U.S. government to prevent further damaging releases by WikiLeaks."
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AR2Y520101128
Urged U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to designate WikiLeaks a Foreign Terrorist Organization.
"WikiLeaks presents a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States. I strongly urge you to work within the Administration to use every offensive capability of the U.S. government to prevent further damaging releases by WikiLeaks."
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AR2Y520101128
dat dusquote:Op zondag 28 november 2010 22:34 schreef KingOfMars het volgende:
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Toch wordt het een stuk moeilijker om te doen of het tot het politieke spel behoort als het volk óók weet dat je zogenaamde bondgenoot alles behalve vriendelijk is.
Misschien ook wel sociale controle: andere landen houden hun kaken op elkaar qua veroordelingen omdat ze zelf waarschijnlijk ook genoeg lijken in de kast hebben liggen.
Op 
Yemen to Petraeus: We'll Take the Blame for Missile Strikes
Politico reports on U.S. documents in which the President of Yemen, Ali Abdullah Saleh, told Gen. David Petraeus that he would continue to take the blames for U.S. missile strikes on suspected al Qaeda operatives in Yemen. "We'll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours," Saleh is quoted as saying in a recent summary of the talk.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20023935-503543.html
'Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)' had dus gelijk dat de Amerikanen achter de bombardementen in Jemen zaten. Dit is dezelfde tak van al-Qaeda die wraak nam voor deze bombardementen met de 'Underwear bomber' vorig jaar december.
Politico reports on U.S. documents in which the President of Yemen, Ali Abdullah Saleh, told Gen. David Petraeus that he would continue to take the blames for U.S. missile strikes on suspected al Qaeda operatives in Yemen. "We'll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours," Saleh is quoted as saying in a recent summary of the talk.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20023935-503543.html
'Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)' had dus gelijk dat de Amerikanen achter de bombardementen in Jemen zaten. Dit is dezelfde tak van al-Qaeda die wraak nam voor deze bombardementen met de 'Underwear bomber' vorig jaar december.
Het is zijn eigen teller.quote:
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Volgens mij klopt die teller niet helemaal
Je länger ein Blinder lebt, desto mehr sieht er - Viva la revolucion !
Obama ordered diplomats to spy on Canada
The Obama administration ordered diplomats to spy on foreign governments and dignitaries including here in Canada as a way to provide key biographical data to the Central Intelligence Agency.
The news that President Barack Obama and his secretary of state Hillary Clinton wanted diplomats to spy on their Canadian hosts could strain the relationship between the U.S. embassy and Parliament Hill, especially in the short term.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/11/28/16351306.html
The Obama administration ordered diplomats to spy on foreign governments and dignitaries including here in Canada as a way to provide key biographical data to the Central Intelligence Agency.
The news that President Barack Obama and his secretary of state Hillary Clinton wanted diplomats to spy on their Canadian hosts could strain the relationship between the U.S. embassy and Parliament Hill, especially in the short term.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/11/28/16351306.html
De anti-oorlog beweging is wel gebaat bij de executie van informanten.quote:Op zondag 28 november 2010 22:33 schreef waht het volgende:
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Straks heeft wikileaks dus ook bloed aan haar handen.
Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft.....
"Academics, people who know the word for coal in seventeen languages but gape and stammer when asked to lay a fire."
Embassy cable reveals Labour minister was 'a hound dog with women'
One cable reveals how the London embassy passed on intelligence about a British Labour minister, apparently picked up from civil servant contacts, saying he "reportedly remains a bit of a hound dog where women are concerned".
The minister, whose name the Guardian is withholding, was "forced to apologize to a femalewho accused him of sexual harassment. and has had marital troubles in the last few years".
The confidential dispatch continued: "Contacts who know him well report he has manic depressive tendencies 'he's very up one minute, very down the next', and at least onecolleague has described xxx as a "'bully'"
The head of the office of intelligence operations cabled back gratefully, saying: "Washington analysts appreciate the excellent background and biographic reporting." They found "particularly insightful and timely" the material about the minister's "bullying, possible depression and scandals, as well as comments on the state of his marriage" .
The cable continued: "We would greatly appreciate additional information, especially regarding how xxx works with [other ministers and officials], assessments of xxx' performance in office, and information on his political goals."
guardian.co.uk
One cable reveals how the London embassy passed on intelligence about a British Labour minister, apparently picked up from civil servant contacts, saying he "reportedly remains a bit of a hound dog where women are concerned".
The minister, whose name the Guardian is withholding, was "forced to apologize to a femalewho accused him of sexual harassment. and has had marital troubles in the last few years".
The confidential dispatch continued: "Contacts who know him well report he has manic depressive tendencies 'he's very up one minute, very down the next', and at least onecolleague has described xxx as a "'bully'"
The head of the office of intelligence operations cabled back gratefully, saying: "Washington analysts appreciate the excellent background and biographic reporting." They found "particularly insightful and timely" the material about the minister's "bullying, possible depression and scandals, as well as comments on the state of his marriage" .
The cable continued: "We would greatly appreciate additional information, especially regarding how xxx works with [other ministers and officials], assessments of xxx' performance in office, and information on his political goals."
guardian.co.uk
Prachtig allemaal. De meest gore feiten komen naar buiten. In feite zouden we te allen tijde recht moet hebben op dit soort stukken.
Dé antioorlogbeweging, antioorlog is toch de meest humane en logische positie om te kiezen. Ik zou het daarom geen beweging noemen, maar simpelweg het slimste gedeelte van de mensheid.quote:
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De anti-oorlog beweging is wel gebaat bij de executie van informanten.
zijn er wel heel weinig in de wereldquote:
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Dé antioorlogbeweging, antioorlog is toch de meest humane en logische positie om te kiezen. Ik zou het daarom geen beweging noemen, maar simpelweg het slimste gedeelte van de mensheid.
Wikileaks kan of is ook een heel goed medium of disinformatie te verspreiden. Aangezien de meeste mensen toch aannemen dat alles waar is wat door wikileaks word gepubliceerd.
"Academics, people who know the word for coal in seventeen languages but gape and stammer when asked to lay a fire."
Ik weet het, het is lastig lotgenoten te vinden.quote:
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zijn er wel heel weinig in de wereld
dat kan heel goed, tis voor de gewone man niet echt te controleren.quote:Op zondag 28 november 2010 23:01 schreef Stephen_Dedalus het volgende:
Wikileaks kan of is ook een heel goed medium of disinformatie te verspreiden. Aangezien de meeste mensen toch aannemen dat alles waar is wat door wikileaks word gepubliceerd.
Klopt, alhoewel ik vind dat de meeste feiten die naar buiten zijn gekomen niet echt verrassend zijn.quote:
Wikileaks kan of is ook een heel goed medium of disinformatie te verspreiden. Aangezien de meeste mensen toch aannemen dat alles waar is wat door wikileaks word gepubliceerd.
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/09/09STATE96222.htmlquote:S E C R E T STATE 096222
NOFORN
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/04/2034
TAGS: ETTC MARR MCAP MOPS PARM PINR PREL PTER MASS FR CH IR
SUBJECT: (S) FRENCH FIRM SELLING INFRARED DETECTORS TO
CHINA
Classified By: EUR/PRA Acting Deputy Director Matthew Hardiman
for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).
¶1. (U) This is an action request to Embassy Paris. Please
deliver the points in paragraph 4 as soon as possible. These
points may be left as a non-paper.
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SUMMARY
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¶2. (S/NF) We have information the French firm Sofradir and
its subsidiary Ulis continue to sell cooled and uncooled
infrared detectors to a Chinese firm for incorporation into
thermal imaging systems. We believe the Chinese firm,
Zhejiang Dali Technology Company Ltd, is actively selling its
thermal imaging systems to Iranian defense entities. Iranian
military access to Chinese thermal imaging systems that rely
on high-grade French infrared detectors could increase the
threat to US and allied forces operating in the Gulf region.
We want to request the Government of France to act
immediately to terminate this activity by Sofradir and Ulis
so China cannot use French components to manufacture weapons
systems and sell them to Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism.
Ga je dan met je bedrijfje
'And I called your name,
like an addicted to cocaine calls for the stuff he'd rather blame'
like an addicted to cocaine calls for the stuff he'd rather blame'
Kurds Play Major Role in Iraq
According to the US embassy the Kurdish leaders are smart leaders. Kurdish leaders such as Talabani and Barzani will likely exploit their political strength among Shia/Sunni counterparts to protect and expand Kurdish influence in a future government, the report notes.
But it also shows that the US sees the Kurds playing a major role to bring a pro-Iranian government to power with the coming to power of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
Iran's historic ties to the PUK, and to a lesser extent KDP officials, make the Kurds an important element in ensuring a pro-Iranian Shia victory in the election. INA officials are confident that the Kurds will join their coalition, all but guaranteeing an election victory.
Turkey Is Iran's Rival in Kurdistan
Other parts of the leak show that Turkey is seen as the biggest economic competitor of Iran in Iraq, particularly in the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG). Furthermore in February 2010 Turkey hoped for an early action plan from the US government to elicit more support from the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) against the leadership of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). Other documents show the US government is highly suspicious over the Islamist background of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) in Turkey.
http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurds/3324.html
According to the US embassy the Kurdish leaders are smart leaders. Kurdish leaders such as Talabani and Barzani will likely exploit their political strength among Shia/Sunni counterparts to protect and expand Kurdish influence in a future government, the report notes.
But it also shows that the US sees the Kurds playing a major role to bring a pro-Iranian government to power with the coming to power of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
Iran's historic ties to the PUK, and to a lesser extent KDP officials, make the Kurds an important element in ensuring a pro-Iranian Shia victory in the election. INA officials are confident that the Kurds will join their coalition, all but guaranteeing an election victory.
Turkey Is Iran's Rival in Kurdistan
Other parts of the leak show that Turkey is seen as the biggest economic competitor of Iran in Iraq, particularly in the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG). Furthermore in February 2010 Turkey hoped for an early action plan from the US government to elicit more support from the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) against the leadership of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). Other documents show the US government is highly suspicious over the Islamist background of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) in Turkey.
http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurds/3324.html
nouja ze vinden is nog het minst lastig, het probleem schuilt erin denk ik dat ze redelijk verspreid zijn en moeilijk echt een blok kunnen vormenquote:
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Ik weet het, het is lastig lotgenoten te vinden.
Aangezien het lastig is om eventjes honderdenduizenden documenten te fabriceren, de VS de moeite hebben genomen om vooraf bondgenoten in te lichten, en de waarheid zelf al smeuig genoeg is, zie ik geen enkele reden om te twijfelen aan de integriteit van Wikileaks.quote:
Wikileaks kan of is ook een heel goed medium of disinformatie te verspreiden. Aangezien de meeste mensen toch aannemen dat alles waar is wat door wikileaks word gepubliceerd.
Je länger ein Blinder lebt, desto mehr sieht er - Viva la revolucion !
"De meest geschikte aanspreekvorm tussen mensen is lotgenoot"quote:
Ik weet het, het is lastig lotgenoten te vinden.
Tomorrow we will provide information on how other media groups can apply to for embargo access to #cablegate info. Wikileaks via Twitter
Alles kan.quote:
Wikileaks kan of is ook een heel goed medium of disinformatie te verspreiden. Aangezien de meeste mensen toch aannemen dat alles waar is wat door wikileaks word gepubliceerd.
Maar twijfel jij dan aan de authenticiteit van deze stukken? En zo ja, waarom?
Daar twijfel ik niet aan. Ik zeg alleen maar dat het zou kunnen. Ik trek de integriteit van wikileaks zelf wel in twijfel.quote:
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Alles kan.
Maar twijfel jij dan aan de authenticiteit van deze stukken? En zo ja, waarom?
"Academics, people who know the word for coal in seventeen languages but gape and stammer when asked to lay a fire."
US worry about Turkish PM dependability
Diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks to German news magazine Der Spiegel show US diplomats have doubts about Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's dependability as a partner.
American diplomats distrust Erdogan and his unrealistic views on the world, wrote Der Spiegel.
The prime minister, one of the United States' most important NATO partners, has surrounded himself with "an iron ring of sycophantic (but contemptuous) advisors," writes a diplomat.
Despite his bragging, he is afraid of losing power, according to the dispatches viewed by Der Spiegel. One source is quoted as telling the Americans: "Tayyip believes in God but doesn't trust Him".
Erdogan's advisors, and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, are portrayed as having little understanding of politics beyond Turkey. A high-ranking government adviser, quoted by US diplomats, describes Davutoglu as "exceptionally dangerous" and warns that he would use his influence on Erdogan.
A cable signed by the US ambassador in January 2010 says the foreign minister wants to reassert on the Balkans the influence the Ottoman empire used to exert on the region. But the foreign minister overestimates himself and Turkey, wrote the US diplomats. Turkey, sums up a cable translated into German by the magazine, "has the ambitions of Rolls Royce but the means of Rover".
http://www.geo.tv/11-29-2010/75032.htm
Diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks to German news magazine Der Spiegel show US diplomats have doubts about Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's dependability as a partner.
American diplomats distrust Erdogan and his unrealistic views on the world, wrote Der Spiegel.
The prime minister, one of the United States' most important NATO partners, has surrounded himself with "an iron ring of sycophantic (but contemptuous) advisors," writes a diplomat.
Despite his bragging, he is afraid of losing power, according to the dispatches viewed by Der Spiegel. One source is quoted as telling the Americans: "Tayyip believes in God but doesn't trust Him".
Erdogan's advisors, and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, are portrayed as having little understanding of politics beyond Turkey. A high-ranking government adviser, quoted by US diplomats, describes Davutoglu as "exceptionally dangerous" and warns that he would use his influence on Erdogan.
A cable signed by the US ambassador in January 2010 says the foreign minister wants to reassert on the Balkans the influence the Ottoman empire used to exert on the region. But the foreign minister overestimates himself and Turkey, wrote the US diplomats. Turkey, sums up a cable translated into German by the magazine, "has the ambitions of Rolls Royce but the means of Rover".
http://www.geo.tv/11-29-2010/75032.htm
Het heeft allemaal een erg hoog hollywood-gehalte iig.quote:
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Daar twijfel ik niet aan. Ik zeg alleen maar dat het zou kunnen. Ik trek de integriteit van wikileaks zelf wel in twijfel.
Vóór het internet dacht men dat de oorzaak van domheid een gebrek aan toegang tot informatie was. Inmiddels weten we beter.
ik voorspel een blockbusterquote:
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Het heeft allemaal een erg hoog hollywood-gehalte iig.
Saudi King Abdullah called President Asif Ali Zardari the greatest obstacle to Pakistans progress, according to an online report of New York Times that quoted Wikileaks as saying.
The report further quoted King Abdullah as saying: When the head is rotten, he said, it affects the whole body. The cables released by Wikileaks, the whistle-blower, disclose that aging monarch of Saudi Arabia, King Abdullah, as speaking scathingly about the leaders of Iraq and Pakistan. Speaking to another Iraqi official about Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, the Iraqi prime minister, King Abdullah said, You and Iraq are in my heart, but that man is not.
http://thepakistaninewspaper.com/news_detail.php?id=18451
The report further quoted King Abdullah as saying: When the head is rotten, he said, it affects the whole body. The cables released by Wikileaks, the whistle-blower, disclose that aging monarch of Saudi Arabia, King Abdullah, as speaking scathingly about the leaders of Iraq and Pakistan. Speaking to another Iraqi official about Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, the Iraqi prime minister, King Abdullah said, You and Iraq are in my heart, but that man is not.
http://thepakistaninewspaper.com/news_detail.php?id=18451
Over sommige dingen hebben ze toch wel stiekem gelijk
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)_Robin___.html?p=2,1quote:- Dmitri Medvedev (president Rusland) en Vladimir Poetin (premier): Medvedev, officieel de machtigste politicus van Rusland, speelt in de praktijk de Robin van Poetins Batman. (bericht dat de Amerikaanse ambassade in Moskou eind 2008 verstuurde naar Washington)
- Nicolas Sarkozy (president Frankrijk): Is volgens een bericht van de Amerikaanse ambassade in Parijs lichtgeraakt en regeert op persoonlijke, autoritaire wijze.
❤ Rozen zijn rood ❤
❤ Viooltjes zijn blauw ❤
❤ Kristel, ik hou van jou! ❤
❤ Viooltjes zijn blauw ❤
❤ Kristel, ik hou van jou! ❤
Je zou zeggen dat er hier en daar wel koppen moeten gaan rollen maarja het kan ook wel iets worden in de trant van glas, plas, was
Misschien een domme vraag, maar hoe komen ze aan die documenten?
“Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state lives at the expense of everyone.” ― Frédéric Bastiat
Good old Maxime.quote:Verhagen
Ook Nederland komt voor in de notities. Zo staat over Maxime Verhagen (CDA) toen hij minister van Buitenlandse Zaken was: 'Het feit dat Vehagen ons zo vroeg in het verhaal een handreiking, doet sterk vermoeden dat hij een solide en effectieve partner is.'
quote:Ook staat er in het door HP/De Tijd gepubliceerde artikel te lezen dat Amerika problemen verwacht door de aanwezigheid van de linkse PvdA in het kabinet-Balkenende IV.
Waarschijnlijk gelekt door Bradley Manning.quote:
Misschien een domme vraag, maar hoe komen ze aan die documenten?
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