BNW Brave New World
Samenzwering, verborgen agenda's en geheime geschiedenis. De zoektocht naar de wereld die achter de façade van alledag ligt.
Het komt er eigenlijk op neer dat er aanwijzingen zat zijn ("Caroll Quigley - Tragedy and Hope", en "The Anglo-American Establishment"). Bij gebeurtenissen moet je toch vooral zelf puzzelen en je eigen mening vormen.
[ Bericht 10% gewijzigd door Schenkstroop op 26-02-2011 01:35:08 ]
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heksehiel: Je hebt gelijk. Het gaat wel degelijk ook om het uiterlijk! Een mooi innerlijk word ik niet geil van namelijk.
P.F: Als ik 50+ ben doe ik het ook wel voor het innerlijk, maar nu het nog kan, ga ik ook voor uiterlijk
P.F: Als ik 50+ ben doe ik het ook wel voor het innerlijk, maar nu het nog kan, ga ik ook voor uiterlijk
Het type 'bewijs en bron roepers' komen dan zelden terug op de inhoud, of wijzen gewoon de bron af. Zonde van de tijd.quote:Op zaterdag 26 februari 2011 01:25 schreef Schenkstroop het volgende:
Het komt er eigenlijk op neer dat er aanwijzingen zat zijn ("Caroll Quigly - Tragedy and Hope", en "The Anglo-American Establishment"). Bij gebeurtenissen moet je toch vooral zelf puzzelen en je eigen mening vormen.
Zelf denken doet men vaak niet aan, wel alles-slikkers zijn van de gevestigde orde.
Eigenlijk verwachten ze van wc eend dat als er een beter product is dan wc eend, dat wc eend daar reclame voor gaat maken....
http://www.paltalk.com , niet typen maar miepen
Al bemoei jij je niet met politiek, deze bemoeit zich wel met jouw leven en geld, van de wieg tot het graf en zelfs daarna!
Al bemoei jij je niet met politiek, deze bemoeit zich wel met jouw leven en geld, van de wieg tot het graf en zelfs daarna!
Exactemundo!
Tevens was Caroll Quigley een geschiedschrijver/professor die de "New World Order" samenzweerders beschreef, en hun plannen uiteenlegde, aan de hand van hun eigen documentatie. Hij werd dan ook een aanhanger van hun ideeen en was geen opponist. Dus mooier dan deze boeken als redelijk bewijs van het bestaan en doel van een facistische "New World Order", wordt het bijna niet. De gevreesde "Illuminatie" vallen in dit geheel waarschijnlijk zelfs buiten spel.
Tevens was Caroll Quigley een geschiedschrijver/professor die de "New World Order" samenzweerders beschreef, en hun plannen uiteenlegde, aan de hand van hun eigen documentatie. Hij werd dan ook een aanhanger van hun ideeen en was geen opponist. Dus mooier dan deze boeken als redelijk bewijs van het bestaan en doel van een facistische "New World Order", wordt het bijna niet. De gevreesde "Illuminatie" vallen in dit geheel waarschijnlijk zelfs buiten spel.
heksehiel: Je hebt gelijk. Het gaat wel degelijk ook om het uiterlijk! Een mooi innerlijk word ik niet geil van namelijk.
P.F: Als ik 50+ ben doe ik het ook wel voor het innerlijk, maar nu het nog kan, ga ik ook voor uiterlijk
P.F: Als ik 50+ ben doe ik het ook wel voor het innerlijk, maar nu het nog kan, ga ik ook voor uiterlijk
Interessante posts, ik ben nog steeds van plan dat boek te lezen maar op Bol was ie me iets te duur. Dacht 100 euro oid.
“Man is free at the moment he wishes to be.”
Voltaire.
"There is no left and right, only right and wrong." Tinyint, DI forums.
"Doubt is the seed of misdirection." Ikzelf.
Voltaire.
"There is no left and right, only right and wrong." Tinyint, DI forums.
"Doubt is the seed of misdirection." Ikzelf.
Ebook is vast wel te vinden via spotnet of nzbindex.comquote:
Interessante posts, ik ben nog steeds van plan dat boek te lezen maar op Bol was ie me iets te duur. Dacht 100 euro oid.
http://www.paltalk.com , niet typen maar miepen
Al bemoei jij je niet met politiek, deze bemoeit zich wel met jouw leven en geld, van de wieg tot het graf en zelfs daarna!
Al bemoei jij je niet met politiek, deze bemoeit zich wel met jouw leven en geld, van de wieg tot het graf en zelfs daarna!
Dank u 
“Man is free at the moment he wishes to be.”
Voltaire.
"There is no left and right, only right and wrong." Tinyint, DI forums.
"Doubt is the seed of misdirection." Ikzelf.
Voltaire.
"There is no left and right, only right and wrong." Tinyint, DI forums.
"Doubt is the seed of misdirection." Ikzelf.
Army of Fake Social Media Friends to Promote Propaganda
Does a code of ethics still exist in Intelligence firms? Does it disappear behind closed doors, dirty deeds done in the dark and used against the American people who are supposed to be free to express themselves?
By Darlene Storm, Computerworld Feb 23, 2011 11:03 pm
It's recently been revealed that the U.S. government contracted HBGary Federal for the development of software which could create multiple fake social media profiles to manipulate and sway public opinion on controversial issues by promoting propaganda. It could also be used as surveillance to find public opinions with points of view the powers-that-be didn't like. It could then potentially have their "fake" people run smear campaigns against those "real" people. As disturbing as this is, it's not really new for U.S. intelligence or private intelligence firms to do the dirty work behind closed doors.
EFF previously warned that Big Brother wants to be your friend for social media surveillance. While the FBI Intelligence Information Report Handbook (PDF) mentioned using "covert accounts" to access protected information, other government agencies endorsed using security exploits to access protected information.
It's not a big surprise that the U.S. military also wants to use social media to its benefit. Last year, Public Intelligence published the U.S. Air Force social media guide which gave 10 tips for social media such as, "The enemy is engaged in this battlespace and you must engage there as well." Number three was "DON'T LIE. Credibility is critical, without it, no one cares what you have to say...it's also punishable by the UCMJ to give a false statement." The Air Force used the chart below to show how social media influences public opinion.
The 6th Contracting Squadron at MacDill Air Force Base sought the development of Persona Management Software which could be used for creating and managing fake profiles on social media sites to distort the truth and make it appear as if there was a generally accepted agreement on controversial issues. "Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms." What happened to don't lie and the Uniform Code of Military Justice?
Everything revealed after Anonymous leaked emails from private security firm HBGary Federal is disturbing on many levels. However, the Daily Kos said with the Persona Management Software it would take very few people to create "an army of sockpuppets" which could distort the truth while appearing to be "an entire Brooks Brothers riot online."
So again I ask, what happened to number three . . . the rule about not lying that was also "punishable by the UCMJ to give a false statement"?
President and CEO of Plessas Experts Network, Inc, Kirby Plessas pointed out some of the unethical and potentially illegal activities that Aaron Barr's leaked emails suggested like "Chumming and baiting" which sounded like "entrapment of some sort." There would be no warrant for the data collected on individuals which could then be stored for how long? "THIS is the entire reason Intelligence Oversight was created -- to avoid this sort of thing from ever happening again."
According to Redacted News, the leaked emails showed how names can be cross-referenced across social media sites to collect information on people and then used to gain access to those social ciricles. The emails also talked of how Facebook could be used to spread government messages:
Even the most restrictive and security conscious of persons can be exploited. Through the targeting and information reconnaissance phase, a person's hometown and high school will be revealed. An adversary can create a classmates.com account at the same high school and year and find out people you went to high school with that do not have Facebook accounts, then create the account and send a friend request.
Under the mutual friend decision, which is where most people can be exploited, an adversary can look at a targets friend list if it is exposed and find a targets most socially promiscuous friends, the ones that have over 300-500 friends, friend them to develop mutual friends before sending a friend request to the target. To that end friend's accounts can be compromised and used to post malicious material to a targets wall. When choosing to participate in social media an individual is only as protected as his/her weakest friend.
Lots of people have multiple online aliases, Facebook or Twitter accounts for both business and private life. What most bothers me is the lying and seemingly unethical means to an end. Although the government says it doesn't approve of censorship, etc, when its secrets come to light, it seems to be Okay with recommending underhanded tactics.
Secretary Clinton delivered a speech called, "Internet Rights and Wrongs: Choices and Challenges In A Networked World." To help promote and support Internet freedom, the State Department intends to award $25 million in grants. While that is great news, the EFF reported, "For every strong statement about preserving liberty, freedom of expression, and privacy on the global Internet, there exists a countervailing example of the United States attempting to undermine those same values."
Secretary Clinton later told "This Week" anchor Christiane Amanpou that most Americans "are in favor of human rights, freedom, democracy. We know that ultimately the most progress that can be made on behalf of human beings anywhere is when those individuals are empowered, when they have governments that are responsive." Clinton added, "At the same time, we recognize that this process can be hijacked. It can be hijacked by both outside and inside elements within any country."
So while the U.S. government can talk a good talk, what it does and what it says often doesn't seem to jive. Gasp, I know, it's not a big shocker but sometimes I find that utterly frustrating. The President wanted an Internet Kill Switch, the FBI keeps pushing for backdoors on all-things-Net. What happened to a code of ethics? Does it disappear behind closed doors, dirty deeds done in the dark and used against the American people who are supposed to be free to express themselves?
Bron: http://www.pcworld.com/ar(...)mote_propaganda.html
Does a code of ethics still exist in Intelligence firms? Does it disappear behind closed doors, dirty deeds done in the dark and used against the American people who are supposed to be free to express themselves?
By Darlene Storm, Computerworld Feb 23, 2011 11:03 pm
It's recently been revealed that the U.S. government contracted HBGary Federal for the development of software which could create multiple fake social media profiles to manipulate and sway public opinion on controversial issues by promoting propaganda. It could also be used as surveillance to find public opinions with points of view the powers-that-be didn't like. It could then potentially have their "fake" people run smear campaigns against those "real" people. As disturbing as this is, it's not really new for U.S. intelligence or private intelligence firms to do the dirty work behind closed doors.
EFF previously warned that Big Brother wants to be your friend for social media surveillance. While the FBI Intelligence Information Report Handbook (PDF) mentioned using "covert accounts" to access protected information, other government agencies endorsed using security exploits to access protected information.
It's not a big surprise that the U.S. military also wants to use social media to its benefit. Last year, Public Intelligence published the U.S. Air Force social media guide which gave 10 tips for social media such as, "The enemy is engaged in this battlespace and you must engage there as well." Number three was "DON'T LIE. Credibility is critical, without it, no one cares what you have to say...it's also punishable by the UCMJ to give a false statement." The Air Force used the chart below to show how social media influences public opinion.
The 6th Contracting Squadron at MacDill Air Force Base sought the development of Persona Management Software which could be used for creating and managing fake profiles on social media sites to distort the truth and make it appear as if there was a generally accepted agreement on controversial issues. "Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms." What happened to don't lie and the Uniform Code of Military Justice?
Everything revealed after Anonymous leaked emails from private security firm HBGary Federal is disturbing on many levels. However, the Daily Kos said with the Persona Management Software it would take very few people to create "an army of sockpuppets" which could distort the truth while appearing to be "an entire Brooks Brothers riot online."
So again I ask, what happened to number three . . . the rule about not lying that was also "punishable by the UCMJ to give a false statement"?
President and CEO of Plessas Experts Network, Inc, Kirby Plessas pointed out some of the unethical and potentially illegal activities that Aaron Barr's leaked emails suggested like "Chumming and baiting" which sounded like "entrapment of some sort." There would be no warrant for the data collected on individuals which could then be stored for how long? "THIS is the entire reason Intelligence Oversight was created -- to avoid this sort of thing from ever happening again."
According to Redacted News, the leaked emails showed how names can be cross-referenced across social media sites to collect information on people and then used to gain access to those social ciricles. The emails also talked of how Facebook could be used to spread government messages:
Even the most restrictive and security conscious of persons can be exploited. Through the targeting and information reconnaissance phase, a person's hometown and high school will be revealed. An adversary can create a classmates.com account at the same high school and year and find out people you went to high school with that do not have Facebook accounts, then create the account and send a friend request.
Under the mutual friend decision, which is where most people can be exploited, an adversary can look at a targets friend list if it is exposed and find a targets most socially promiscuous friends, the ones that have over 300-500 friends, friend them to develop mutual friends before sending a friend request to the target. To that end friend's accounts can be compromised and used to post malicious material to a targets wall. When choosing to participate in social media an individual is only as protected as his/her weakest friend.
Lots of people have multiple online aliases, Facebook or Twitter accounts for both business and private life. What most bothers me is the lying and seemingly unethical means to an end. Although the government says it doesn't approve of censorship, etc, when its secrets come to light, it seems to be Okay with recommending underhanded tactics.
Secretary Clinton delivered a speech called, "Internet Rights and Wrongs: Choices and Challenges In A Networked World." To help promote and support Internet freedom, the State Department intends to award $25 million in grants. While that is great news, the EFF reported, "For every strong statement about preserving liberty, freedom of expression, and privacy on the global Internet, there exists a countervailing example of the United States attempting to undermine those same values."
Secretary Clinton later told "This Week" anchor Christiane Amanpou that most Americans "are in favor of human rights, freedom, democracy. We know that ultimately the most progress that can be made on behalf of human beings anywhere is when those individuals are empowered, when they have governments that are responsive." Clinton added, "At the same time, we recognize that this process can be hijacked. It can be hijacked by both outside and inside elements within any country."
So while the U.S. government can talk a good talk, what it does and what it says often doesn't seem to jive. Gasp, I know, it's not a big shocker but sometimes I find that utterly frustrating. The President wanted an Internet Kill Switch, the FBI keeps pushing for backdoors on all-things-Net. What happened to a code of ethics? Does it disappear behind closed doors, dirty deeds done in the dark and used against the American people who are supposed to be free to express themselves?
Bron: http://www.pcworld.com/ar(...)mote_propaganda.html
Hey, dat topic kende ik nog niet...quote:Op zondag 27 februari 2011 23:48 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:
Wie beheerscht 96 % van de massamedia .
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Oh.. 2007.
Goede startpost trouwens! Ik quote hem even.
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Naar aanleiding van een filmpje wat ik zag, het volgende topic over de controle van een klein aantal individuen op de massa, door middel van alleenheerschappij over de massamedia, voornamelijk televisie & radio. Gezien de nauwe samenwerking van sommigen van deze corporaties met Microsoft en andere digitale basten, valt een aanzienlijk gedeelte van het nieuws-brengend internet ook onder diezelfde controle.
Het volgende overzicht geeft een goed inzicht in de alleengeheerschte wereld die massamedia wordt genoemd:
I.
Richard D. Parsons
Chair & CEO AOL-Time Warner
Revenue $44.70 billion USD (2006)
1. Warner Brothers, Hanna-Barbera Cartoons, Multiplex cinemas
2. CNN, TNT, Turner Broadcasting System, Time Warner Cable, HBO, Comedy Central (37.5% with Viacom), Segachannel a.o.
3. 52 recordlabels
4. America Online, CompuServe, NetScape
5. 23 book brands (Time Life Books, etc.)
6. TIME, Fortune & 33 others (130 million readers)
7. 4 professional sports teams
II.
John E. Pepper Jr. & Robert Iger
Chair & CEO The Walt Disney Company
Revenue $35 .3 billion USD (2006)
1. ABC TV & radio (10 TV & 29 radio stations), Disney, Touchstone, Miramax, Buena Vista, Dreamworks, Pixar
2. The Disney Channel, ESPN, Walt Disney TV, Sportstelevision Australia, The History Channel, Buena Vista Television
3. 5 magazine publishing groups & 4 newspapers
4. 18 online ventures including Infoseek
5. Disney Books
6. Six music labels
7. Several hockey & baseball teams, worldwide Parks & Resorts
III.
Reinhard Mohn
owner Bertelsmann Media Worldwide
Revenue 17.89 billion EURO (2005)
1. (EU)Channel 5, RTL network (22 televisionstations & 18 radiostations in 10 countries)
2. Bertelsmann Music Group (BMG, operates in 52 countries, 200 labels worldwide)
3. Random House publishing
4. 80 magazines worldwide, 9 newspapers in EU
5. Lycos, BarnesandNoble.com & 100's of others
IV.
Murray Rothstein aka Sumner Redstone
CEO VIACOM
Revenue $9.609 Billion USD (2005)
1. Paramount, United Cinema International, Vivendi Universal & 104 cinemas in EU, Japan & South America, Blockbuster renter of videos
2. CBS (200 affiliated TV stations) & UPN (50%)
3. MTV Worldwide, VH1, BET, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Home Team Sports (66% with News Corporation) a.o.
4. 2000 book titles annually
5. Viacom owns 180 US radio stations
6. Viacom owns the world's largest advertising company Infinity Outdoor
V.
Rupert Murdoch
Founder News Corporation
Revenue $25.327 billion USD (2006)
1. 20th Century Fox & 14 others worldwide
2. FOX TV (22 stations) & The National Geographic Channel (50%)
3. FOX News & 7 other US newsnetworks, SKY (UK, 150 channels), FOXTEL, STAR TV
4. The New York Post, The Times, The Sun, The News of the World, The Australian, The Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Tasmanian & 67 suburban papers
5. Harper Collins publishing a.o.
6. Australian National Rugby League, LA Dodgers & UK football clubs
VI.
Jean-Bernard Levy
Chair & CEO Vivendi Universal
Revenue 20.044 billion EURO (2006)
1. Universal Studios, Cineplex, Odeon & United Cinema International
2. Canal+, The Action Channel, The Suspence Channel, 20 % of NBC & several TV shows
3. Vivendi Telecom (6 countries)
4. Universal Music (22% share of the global music market with labels like Polygram & Motown)
5. VivendiNet, MP3.com, education.com & online "learning sites"
6. Havas (60 publishing houses good for 80 million books & 40 million DVD's a year
VII.
Jeff Immelt
Chair & CEO General Electric
Revenue $163.391 billion USD (2006)
1.A & E (with Disney and Hearst), American Movie Classics (25%), Biography Channel (with Disney and Hearst), Bravo (50%), Bravo International, CNBC, Court TV (with Time Warner), Fox Sports Net, History Channel (with Disney and Hearst), Independent Film Channel, MSG Network, MSNBC (50%), National Geographic Worldwide, News Sport, Prime, Prism (with Rainbow, a subsidiary of Cablevision, and Liberty Media, a subsidiary of TCI), Romance Classics, Sports Channel
VIII.
Randall L. Stephenson
Chair & CEO AT&T (TCI)
Revenue $63.055 billion USD (2007)
1. AT&T has 10% ownership of Time-Warner/Turner.
2. USA Network, Sci-Fi Network, E!, Court TV, Starz! and Starz! 2, Black Entertainment Television, BET on Jazz, BET, Movies/Starz! 3, CNN, TNT, Headline News, Prime Sports Channel, The Learning Channel, Discovery Channel, QVC, Q2, Fox, Sports Net, The Travel Channel, Prevue Channel, Animal Planet, The Box, Telemundo, International Channel, Encore, MSG Network, Action Pay-per-view, and the Home Shopping Network.
Dus 10 man heerschen zeg maar 99 % van alle media.
Dit maakt het heel makkelijk om op globale schaal richtlijnen te geven aan dochterondernemingen zoals TMF & Net5, die vervolgens de globale agenda van deze heren braav opvolgen. Televisie is niet objectief, op sporadische lokale zenders na. En zelfs die voelen vaak de invloed van bepaalde inkomstenbronnen.
Ik denk dat mensen die de mogelijkheden van monopolies op massamedia onderschatten en/of beridiculiseren gevaar lopen beinvloed te worden door corporaties die per definitie niet als doel hebben om de juiste informatie te geven, maar om meer geld te verdienen en meer controle te kunnen uitoefenen op de massa. Wat de gevolgen hier van zijn verschilt per persoon, ik vind dat de huidige invloed die de media heeft op het menselijke ras gevaarlijk groot.
"Our reach is unmatched around the world. We're reaching people from the moment they wake up until the moment they fall asleep."
-Rupert Murdoch, founder & owner of News Corporation.
Ok dan quote ik jou even goed?!quote:
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Hey, dat topic kende ik nog niet...
Oh.. 2007.
Goede startpost trouwens! Ik quote hem even.
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"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
En ik jou dan weer.. ok?quote:
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Ok dan quote ik jou even goed?!
Ja is goed hoor!quote:
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
En het jaar is nog maar net begonnenquote:Op maandag 28 februari 2011 00:11 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:
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Ok!
This is the end of the Great Quotewar of 2011.
“Man is free at the moment he wishes to be.”
Voltaire.
"There is no left and right, only right and wrong." Tinyint, DI forums.
"Doubt is the seed of misdirection." Ikzelf.
Voltaire.
"There is no left and right, only right and wrong." Tinyint, DI forums.
"Doubt is the seed of misdirection." Ikzelf.
Goed om te zien dat ze zich voornamelijk bezighouden met de traditionele media...quote:
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fullscale .pdf:
https://docs.google.com/u(...)ZjgtYmViZmViNDI1ZDgw
Het internet, mits goed gefilterd, is dus nog steeds de beste bron voor informatie.
Mheh, dat is de volgende flowchart.quote:
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Goed om te zien dat ze zich voornamelijk bezighouden met de traditionele media...
Het internet, mits goed gefilterd, is dus nog steeds de beste bron voor informatie.
'Ze' kopen nu al de facebooks dezer aard op. Hyves in NL http://www.telegraaf.nl/d(...)mt_HYVES_over__.html idem. geenstijl = telegraaf enz.
Grote groepen lezen niet zo veel via internet in NL. Idem voor het nieuws op tv, vaak een aftreksel van het kranten nieuws.
http://www.paltalk.com , niet typen maar miepen
Al bemoei jij je niet met politiek, deze bemoeit zich wel met jouw leven en geld, van de wieg tot het graf en zelfs daarna!
Al bemoei jij je niet met politiek, deze bemoeit zich wel met jouw leven en geld, van de wieg tot het graf en zelfs daarna!
They will never getquote:
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Mheh, dat is de volgende flowchart.
'Ze' kopen nu al de facebooks dezer aard op. Hyves in NL http://www.telegraaf.nl/d(...)mt_HYVES_over__.html idem. geenstijl = telegraaf enz.
Grote groepen lezen niet zo veel via internet in NL. Idem voor het nieuws op tv, vaak een aftreksel van het kranten nieuws.
www.infowars.com
www.prisonplanet.com
ook internet wordt gecensureerd.quote:
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Goed om te zien dat ze zich voornamelijk bezighouden met de traditionele media...
Het internet, mits goed gefilterd, is dus nog steeds de beste bron voor informatie.
Deze post gemist?quote:
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Goed om te zien dat ze zich voornamelijk bezighouden met de traditionele media...
Het internet, mits goed gefilterd, is dus nog steeds de beste bron voor informatie.
Propaganda en deceptie in de massamedia
Maar dan wel een stuk lastiger!quote:
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ook internet wordt gecensureerd.
Het vervelende aan internet alleen is, zoveel bronnen, zoveel waarheden.
The truth was in here.
Dat ben ik wel met je eens, maar de gemiddelde internetter komt niet verder dan nu.nl, Geen Stijl en de Telegraaf. In die zin is de massa nog steeds op een makkelijke manier te bereiken. Er is alleen zoveel meer te halen op internet, maar of de doorsnee internetter daar ook naar op zoek is..quote:
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Maar dan wel een stuk lastiger!
Het vervelende aan internet alleen is, zoveel bronnen, zoveel waarheden.
Was het maar zo zwart wit!quote:
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Maar dan wel een stuk lastiger!
Het vervelende aan internet alleen is, zoveel bronnen, zoveel waarheden.
Je hebt de oorlogsindustrie die serieus bloggers en forumposters "inhuurt" om publieke opinie te sturen... Als die figuren dan ook nog een moderator-functie veroveren, dan is het al snel gebeurd met de vrije online informatie..
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/03/report-recruit/
Ik weet het.quote:
Je hebt de oorlogsindustrie die serieus bloggers en forumposters "inhuurt" om publieke opinie te sturen... Als die figuren dan ook nog een moderator-functie veroveren, dan is het al snel gebeurd met de vrije online informatie..
The truth was in here.
