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How to stop a currency war
Keep calm, don’t expect quick fixes and above all don’t unleash a trade fight with China

Oct 14th 2010

IN RECENT weeks the world economy has been on a war footing, at least rhetorically. Ever since Brazil’s finance minister, Guido Mantega, declared on September 27th that an “international currency war” had broken out, the global economic debate has been recast in battlefield terms, not just by excitable headline-writers, but by officials themselves. Gone is the fuzzy rhetoric about co-operation to boost global growth. A more combative tone has taken hold (see article). Countries blame each other for distorting global demand, with weapons that range from quantitative easing (printing money to buy bonds) to currency intervention and capital controls.

Behind all the smoke and fury, there are in fact three battles. The biggest one is over China’s unwillingness to allow the yuan to rise more quickly. American and European officials have sounded tougher about the “damaging dynamic” caused by China’s undervalued currency. Last month the House of Representatives passed a law allowing firms to seek tariff protection against countries with undervalued currencies, with a huge bipartisan majority. China’s “unfair” trade practices have become a hot topic in the mid-term elections.

A second flashpoint is the rich world’s monetary policy, particularly the prospect that central banks may soon restart printing money to buy government bonds. The dollar has fallen as financial markets expect the Federal Reserve to act fastest and most boldly. The euro has soared as officials at the European Central Bank show least enthusiasm for such a shift. In China’s eyes (and, sotto voce, those of many other emerging-market governments), quantitative easing creates a gross distortion in the world economy as investors rush elsewhere, especially into emerging economies, in search of higher yields.

A third area of contention comes from how the developing countries respond to these capital flows. Rather than let their exchange rates soar, many governments have intervened to buy foreign currency, or imposed taxes on foreign capital inflows. Brazil recently doubled a tax on foreign purchases of its domestic debt. This week Thailand announced a new 15% withholding tax for foreign investors in its bonds.


Jaw-jaw, please


For now, these skirmishes fall far short of a real currency war. Many of the “weapons” look less menacing on closer inspection. The capital-inflow controls are modest. In the rich world only Japan has recently resorted to currency intervention, and so far only once. Nor is there much risk of an imminent descent into trade retaliation. Even in America, tariffs against China are still, with luck, a long way off—both because the currency bill is milder than it sounds and because it has yet to be passed by the Senate or signed by Barack Obama.

Still, there is no room for complacency. Today’s phoney war could quickly turn into a real dogfight. The conditions driving the divergence of economic policies—in particular, sluggish growth in the rich world—are likely to last for years. As fiscal austerity kicks in, the appeal of using a cheaper currency as a source of demand will increase, and the pressure on politicians to treat China as a scapegoat will rise. And if the flood of foreign capital intensifies, developing countries may be forced to choose between losing competitiveness, truly draconian capital controls or allowing their economies to overheat.

What needs to happen is fairly clear. Global demand needs rebalancing, away from indebted rich economies and towards more spending in the emerging world. Structural reforms to boost spending in those surplus economies will help, but their real exchange rates also need to appreciate. And, yes, the Chinese yuan is too low (see article). That is hurting not just the West but also other emerging countries (especially those with floating exchange rates) and indeed China itself, which needs to get more of its growth from domestic consumption.

It is also clear that this will not be a painless process. China is right to worry about instability if workers in exporting companies lose their jobs. And even reasonable choices—such as the rich world’s mix of fiscal austerity and loose monetary policy—will have an uncomfortable impact on small, open emerging economies, in the form of unwelcome capital inflows. This flood of capital will be less devastating to them than the harm they would suffer if the West descended into deflation and stagnation, but it can still cause problems.


Collective Seoul-searching


All this cries out for a multilateral approach, in which institutions such as the IMF and the G20 forge consensus among the big economies. The hitch is that the multilateral route has, so far, achieved little. Hence the chorus calling for a different line of attack—one that focuses on getting tough with China, through either retaliatory capital controls (such as not allowing China to buy American Treasury bonds) or trade sanctions. And it is not just the usual protectionist suspects: even some free-traders reckon that economic violence is the only way to shock China out of its self-harming obstinacy (and to stop a more widespread protectionist reaction later).

This newspaper is not convinced. The threats look like either unworkable bluffs (how can China be stopped from buying Treasuries, the most widely traded asset in the world’s financial markets?) or dangerous provocations. Confronted with a trade ultimatum, the Beijing regime, puffed up in its G2 hubris, may well reckon it is cheaper politically to retaliate to the United States in kind. That is how trade wars start.

Anyway, to focus on America and China is to misunderstand the nature of the problem. The currency wars are about more than one villain and one victim. Rather, redouble multilateral efforts behind the scenes, especially by bringing in the emerging countries hurt by China’s policy. Brazil and others have only just begun to speak out. South Korea is hosting the G20 next month. Use the Seoul summit as a prompt, not to create some new Plaza Accord (today’s tensions are too complex to settle in a grand peace treaty of the sort hammered out by just five countries in New York in 1985) but as a way to clarify the debate and keep up the pressure. It will get fewer headlines; but this is a war that is best averted, not fought.
Sterk artikel van The Economist.
  donderdag 14 oktober 2010 @ 20:13:09 #122
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Op woensdag 13 oktober 2010 16:22 schreef simmu het volgende:
statistiek is toch ook wiskunde.......
Ken je de uitspraak niet:

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"
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iemand vroeg laatst iets over nieuws over die foreclosure fraude:

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Robo-signers: Mortgage experience not necessary

NEW YORK – In an effort to rush through thousands of home foreclosures since 2007, financial institutions and their mortgage servicing departments hired hair stylists, Walmart floor workers and people who had worked on assembly lines and installed them in "foreclosure expert" jobs with no formal training, a Florida lawyer says.

In depositions released Tuesday, many of those workers testified that they barely knew what a mortgage was. Some couldn't define the word "affidavit." Others didn't know what a complaint was, or even what was meant by personal property. Most troubling, several said they knew they were lying when they signed the foreclosure affidavits and that they agreed with the defense lawyers' accusations about document fraud.

"The mortgage servicers hired people who would never question authority," said Peter Ticktin, a Deerfield Beach, Fla., lawyer who is defending 3,000 homeowners in foreclosure cases. As part of his work, Ticktin gathered 150 depositions from bank employees who say they signed foreclosure affidavits without reviewing the documents or ever laying eyes on them — earning them the name "robo-signers."

The deposed employees worked for the mortgage service divisions of banks such as Bank of America and JP Morgan Chase, as well as for mortgage servicers like Litton Loan Servicing, a division of Goldman Sachs.

Ticktin said he would make the testimony available to state and federal agencies that are investigating financial institutions for allegations of possible mortgage fraud. This comes on the eve of an expected announcement Wednesday from 40 state attorneys general that they will launch a collective probe into the mortgage industry.

"This was an industrywide scheme designed to defraud homeowners," Ticktin said.

The depositions paint a surreal picture of foreclosure experts who didn't understand even the most elementary aspects of the mortgage or foreclosure process — even though they were entrusted as the records custodians of homeowners' loans. In one deposition taken in Houston, a foreclosure supervisor with Litton Loan couldn't define basic terms like promissory note, mortgagee, lien, receiver, jurisdiction, circuit court, plaintiff's assignor or defendant. She testified that she didn't know why a spouse might claim interest in a property, what the required conditions were for a bank to foreclose or who the holder of the mortgage note was. "I don't know the ins and outs of the loan, I just sign documents," she said at one point.

Until now, only a handful of depositions from robo-signers have come to light. But the sheer volume of the new depositions will make it more difficult for financial institutions to argue that robo-signing was an aberrant practice in a handful of rogue back offices.

Judges are unlikely to look favorably on a bank that claims paperwork flaws don't matter because the borrower was in default on the loan, said Kendall Coffey, a former Miami U.S. attorney and author of the book "Foreclosures."

"There has to be a cornerstone of integrity to the process," Coffey said.

Bank of America responded to Tiktin's depositions by re-affirming that an internal review has shown that its foreclosures have been accurate. "This review will ensure we have a full understanding of any potential issues and quickly address them," Bank of America spokesman Dan Frahm said. Frahm added that, on average, the bank's foreclosure customers have not made a payment in more than 18 months.

JP Morgan Chase spokesman Thomas Kelly said the bank has requested that courts not enter into any judgments until the bank had reviewed its procedures. But Kelly added that the bank believes that all the underlying facts of the cases involved in the document fraud allegations are true.

Litton Loan Servicing did not respond to a request for comment.

Even before the foreclosure scandal broke, the housing market was in the midst of an ugly detoxification. Now the escalating crisis is likely to prolong the housing depression for at least another few years. The allegations are opening the entire chain of foreclosure proceedings to legal challenge. Some foreclosures could be overturned. Others could be deemed illegal.

For a housing recovery to occur, all the foreclosed properties — which could account for 40 percent of all residential sales by 2012 — need to be re-scrutinized by the banks and resold on the market. Now, with so much inventory under a legal threat, the process will become severely delayed.

"This just adds more uncertainty to the whole mortgage process, so buyers are asking themselves: do I want to buy a home in this environment?" says Cris deRitis, director of credit analytics at Moody's Analytics. "We need to fix these issues before the economy can recover."

Though some have chalked up the foreclosure debacle to an overblown case of paperwork bungling, the underlying legal issues are far more serious. Yes, swearing that you've reviewed documents you've never seen is a legal offense. But at the center of the foreclosure scandal looms something much larger: the question of who actually owns the loans and who has the right to foreclose upon them. The paperwork issues being raised by lawyers and attorneys generals have the potential to blight not just the titles of foreclosed properties but also those belonging to homeowners who have never missed a mortgage payment.

So far, JP Morgan Chase, PNC Financial and Litton Loan Servicing have stopped some foreclosure proceedings in 23 states. Bank of America and GMAC, recently renamed Ally, have extended their moratoriums to all 50 states. Wells Fargo and Citigroup have said they are continuing with foreclosures, adding that they are confident in their documents and processes.

But Citigroup has now backpedaled some on that assertion. The bank sent out a press release Tuesday that it was no longer using the law firm of "foreclosure king" David Stern, now under investigation by the Florida attorney general's office. "Pending the outcome of the AG's investigation, Citi is not referring new matters to this firm," the bank said in an e-mailed statement.

Late last week, in an interview with the Florida attorney general, a former senior paralegal in Stern's firm described a boiler-room atmosphere in which employees were pressured to forge signatures, backdate documents, swap Social Security numbers, inflate billings and pass around notary stamps as if they were salt.

Stern's lawyer, Jeffrey Tew, did not respond to a request for comment.

Meanwhile, the public outrage continues to mount. In what is perhaps a sign of things to come, a Simi Valley, Calif., couple and their nine children broke into their foreclosed home over the weekend and moved back in, according to television station KABC of Simi Valley. The couple, Jim and Danielle Earl, say they were working with the bank to catch up on payments until they discovered a $25,000 difference between what they owed and what the bank said they owed. The family was evicted from their Spanish-style two-story in July. The home has been sold, and the new owner was due to move in soon.

The Earls and their attorney now allege that they were victims of fraudulent paperwork.
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Op donderdag 14 oktober 2010 20:13 schreef SemperSenseo het volgende:

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Ken je de uitspraak niet:

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"
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tuurlijk ken ik die wel
tis waar ook :)
en als je iets wiskundig kunt modelleren wil dat nog niet automatisch zeggen dat het iets dan ook correct is ;) enkel dat je model klopt *)

ik ben opgeleid als statistisch analist
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Op donderdag 14 oktober 2010 20:13 schreef SemperSenseo het volgende:

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Ken je de uitspraak niet:

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"
(Benjamin Disraeli)
totaal oftopic, maar oh zo leuk :)





en aangezien alles altijd aan verbetering onderhevig is:


en mijn persoonlijke favoriet:

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foreclosurecrisis dus:

BoA = junk
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http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6987699n

We moeten niet vergeten dat de veronderstelde sterke koppeling tussen deflatie en depressie slechts een theorie is en geen bewezen, vaststaand feit. De FED probeert een Great Depression te voorkomen door geld bij te drukken, maar zou op deze manier weleens geconfronteerd kunnen worden met een Great Depression én een waardeloze munt, oftewel een economisch armageddon. Er is namelijk geen enkele garantie dat het bijdrukken van geld een depressie gaat voorkomen.
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9s.gif Op maandag 25 oktober 2010 11:03 schreef Pink_slip het volgende:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6987699n

We moeten niet vergeten dat de veronderstelde sterke koppeling tussen deflatie en depressie slechts een theorie is en geen bewezen, vaststaand feit. De FED probeert een Great Depression te voorkomen door geld bij te drukken, maar zou op deze manier weleens geconfronteerd kunnen worden met een Great Depression én een waardeloze munt, oftewel een economisch armageddon. Er is namelijk geen enkele garantie dat het bijdrukken van geld een depressie gaat voorkomen.
Het grote nadeel van de VS is dat ze sowieso weinig produceren, dus een goedkopere munt helpt de export ook niet echt. Vaak zie dat juist het handelstekort toeneemt als de dollar lager gaat, want alle import wordt duurder.
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Op maandag 25 oktober 2010 14:27 schreef pberends het volgende:

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Het grote nadeel van de VS is dat ze sowieso weinig produceren, dus een goedkopere munt helpt de export ook niet echt. Vaak zie dat juist het handelstekort toeneemt als de dollar lager gaat, want alle import wordt duurder.
Dat zou heel goed kunnen. Want als de VS zelf niks produceren, zullen ze moeten blijven importeren ongeacht de koers van de dollar, of ze nou willen of niet.

Het enige wat de VS eigenlijk nog kunnen doen om zichzelf uit deze misere te krijgen, is (opnieuw) in een grote oorlog stappen. En die winnen.

Helaas hebben de laatste oorlogen, ondanks een enorm technologisch overwicht, niet al te positief voor de Amerikanen uitgepakt. En een veel grotere (wereld)oorlog voeren dan bijvoorbeeld die in Irak, zal de VS isoleren t.o.v. de rest van de wereld, zoals Adolf Hitler destijds was geïsoleerd. Bovendien zou het met de huidige wapens ook weleens het einde van de wereld kunnen betekenen.

Eigenlijk heeft Obama een soort Hitler nodig die het gemunt heeft op andere landen, zodat de VS weer de reddende engel kunnen spelen. Laat de enige Hitlers die op dit moment voorhanden zijn (de haatbaarden) het nu vooral op de VS zelf gemunt hebben, en daarvoor over de hele wereld veel steun ontvangen.
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1s.gif Op maandag 25 oktober 2010 18:06 schreef Pink_slip het volgende:

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Dat zou heel goed kunnen. Want als de VS zelf niks produceren, zullen ze moeten blijven importeren ongeacht de koers van de dollar, of ze nou willen of niet.

Het enige wat de VS eigenlijk nog kunnen doen om zichzelf uit deze misere te krijgen, is (opnieuw) in een grote oorlog stappen. En die winnen.

Helaas hebben de laatste oorlogen, ondanks een enorm technologisch overwicht, niet al te positief voor de Amerikanen uitgepakt. En een veel grotere (wereld)oorlog voeren dan bijvoorbeeld die in Irak, zal de VS isoleren t.o.v. de rest van de wereld, zoals Adolf Hitler destijds was geïsoleerd. Bovendien zou het met de huidige wapens ook weleens het einde van de wereld kunnen betekenen.

Eigenlijk heeft Obama een soort Hitler nodig die het gemunt heeft op andere landen, zodat de VS weer de reddende engel kunnen spelen. Laat de enige Hitlers die op dit moment voorhanden zijn (de haatbaarden) het nu vooral op de VS zelf gemunt hebben, en daarvoor over de hele wereld veel steun ontvangen.
Een grote oorlog kan eigenlijk niet meer ivm kernwapens inderdaad. De VS moeten vooral minder consumeren, maar dat zal op korte termijn meer pijn (recessie) betekenen. Maar dat is natuurlijk niet populair, electoraal gezien.
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Volgens Goldman Sachs moet Ben met QE2 zo'n 4 biljoen printen.

Goldman: The Fed Needs To Print $4 Trillion In New Money
Escaping from a liquidity trap may be impossible, much like light trapped in a black hole.
Op zaterdag 19 november 2011 13:27 schreef Perrin het volgende: En net als van voetbal, heeft iedereen verstand van macro-economie
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Op maandag 25 oktober 2010 23:35 schreef fedsingularity het volgende:
Volgens Goldman Sachs moet Ben met QE2 zo'n 4 biljoen printen.

Goldman: The Fed Needs To Print $4 Trillion In New Money
Om de hele economie kapot te maken en een regime verandering in de hand te werken, waarvan zij zelf deel uitmaken.
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The Fed: mother of all ponzi's

"It seems that the Fed has taken Charles Ponzi one step further. Instead of simply paying for maturing debt with receipts from financial sector creditors – banks, insurance companies, surplus reserve nations and investment managers, to name the most significant – the Fed has joined the party itself. Rather than orchestrating the game from on high, it has jumped into the pond with the other swimmers. One and one-half trillion in checks were written in 2009, and trillions more lie ahead. The Fed, in effect, is telling the markets not to worry about our fiscal deficits, it will be the buyer of first and perhaps last resort. There is no need – as with Charles Ponzi – to find an increasing amount of future gullibles, they will just write the check themselves. I ask you: Has there ever been a Ponzi scheme so brazen? There has not. This one is so unique that it requires a new name. I call it a Sammy scheme, in honor of Uncle Sam and the politicians (as well as its citizens) who have brought us to this critical moment in time. It is not a Bernanke scheme, because this is his only alternative and he shares no responsibility for its origin. It is a Sammy scheme – you and I, and the politicians that we elect every two years – deserve all the blame."....The Fed wants to buy, so come on, Ben Bernanke, show us your best and perhaps last moves on Wednesday next. You are doing what you have to do, and it may or may not work. But either way it will likely signify the end of a great 30-year bull market in bonds and the necessity for bond managers and, yes, equity managers to adjust to a new environment. - Bill Gross
Escaping from a liquidity trap may be impossible, much like light trapped in a black hole.
Op zaterdag 19 november 2011 13:27 schreef Perrin het volgende: En net als van voetbal, heeft iedereen verstand van macro-economie
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Industriële productie Japan daalt, deflatie neemt toe
Onverwacht slecht nieuws uit Japan. De industriële productie is flink gedaald in september en ook de deflatie liep in die maand op.

Dure yen
Grote Japanse autofabrikanten als Toyota en Nissan zien de vraag naar auto's teruglopen. Dat heeft onder meer te maken met de dure yen, waardoor Japanse produkten duurder worden. Hierdoor daalde de industriële productie in september ten opzichte van augustus met bijna 2%. Door de oplopende deflatie houden consumenten in Japan de hand voorlopig op de knip.
Ondanks een enorme staatsschuld met een enorm begrotingstekort en centrale banken die intervenieren in de markt en aan enorme hoeveelheden QE doen nog steeds deflatie . Waarom, hoe kan dit? In een debt based currency gaat het alleen om kredietexpansie en die ontbreekt. O-)
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Jim Rogers laat ook weer eens wat van zich horen en is niet bepaald optimistisch over geld printen.
Escaping from a liquidity trap may be impossible, much like light trapped in a black hole.
Op zaterdag 19 november 2011 13:27 schreef Perrin het volgende: En net als van voetbal, heeft iedereen verstand van macro-economie
  zondag 31 oktober 2010 @ 18:01:49 #140
141482 Q.
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Mooie vent, die Rogers, met zn vlinderstrikje altijd.
For great justice!
  woensdag 3 november 2010 @ 12:17:35 #141
141482 Q.
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Zitten we allemaal klaar voor de volgende ronde QE?
For great justice!
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14s.gif Op woensdag 3 november 2010 12:17 schreef Q. het volgende:
Zitten we allemaal klaar voor de volgende ronde QE?
Is het besluit van de fed dan al naar buiten gebracht?
  woensdag 3 november 2010 @ 12:31:02 #143
141482 Q.
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1s.gif Op woensdag 3 november 2010 12:25 schreef Basp1 het volgende:

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Is het besluit van de fed dan al naar buiten gebracht?
Nee, maar de kans dat de pers weer aangaat lijkt mij zo'n 90%.
For great justice!
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De kans lijkt mij 100%, de vraag is alleen in welke versnelling de persen gaan draaien.
Het bedrag ligt tussen 500 miljard en 2 biljoen, waarbij een bedrag onder 1 biljoen de beleggers waarschijnlijk teleur stelt.
Escaping from a liquidity trap may be impossible, much like light trapped in a black hole.
Op zaterdag 19 november 2011 13:27 schreef Perrin het volgende: En net als van voetbal, heeft iedereen verstand van macro-economie
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Fed pompt $600 miljard in economie

600 miljard maar ;(. Kunnen ze weer een jaartje het jaarlijkse handelstekort betalen.
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10s.gif Op woensdag 3 november 2010 22:38 schreef pberends het volgende:
600 miljard maar ;(.
Haha, dat was ook mijn reactie. :D Zeker omdat ik die 4000 hierboven had zien staan.
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1s.gif Op woensdag 3 november 2010 22:44 schreef Bolkesteijn het volgende:

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Haha, dat was ook mijn reactie. :D Zeker omdat ik die 4000 hierboven had zien staan.
4 trillion adviseerde Goldman Sachs :').
  donderdag 4 november 2010 @ 11:57:19 #148
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Another Nobel Economist Says We Have to Prosecute Fraud Or Else the Economy Won’t Recover

This is a really important point to understand from the point of view of our society. The legal system is supposed to be the codification of our norms and beliefs, things that we need to make our system work. If the legal system is seen as exploitative, then confidence in our whole system starts eroding. And that’s really the problem that’s going on.

There are many aspects of [deterring people from committing crime]. Economists focus on the whole notion of incentives. People have an incentive sometimes to behave badly, because they can make more money if they can cheat. If our economic system is going to work then we have to make sure that what they gain when they cheat is offset by a system of penalties.

And that’s why, for instance, in our antitrust law, we often don’t catch people when they behave badly, but when we do we say there are treble damages. You pay three times the amount of the damage that you do. That’s a strong deterrent. Unfortunately, what we’ve been doing now, and more recently in these financial crimes, is settling for fractions – fractions! – of the direct damage, and even a smaller fraction of the total societal damage. That is to say, the financial sector really brought down the global economy and if you include all of that collateral damage, it’s really already in the trillions of dollars.

But there’s a broader sense of collateral damage that I think that has not really been taken on board. And that is confidence in our legal system, in our rule of law, in our system of justice. When you say the Pledge of Allegiance you say, with “justice for all.” People aren’t sure that we have justice for all. Somebody is caught for a minor drug offense, they are sent to prison for a very long time. And yet, these so-called white-collar crimes, which are not victimless, almost none of these guys, almost none of them, go to prison.
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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1s.gif Op donderdag 4 november 2010 11:57 schreef Perrin het volgende:

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Dit is al jaren zo en dit zal ook niet veranderen! What else is new? :P
People once tried to make Chuck Norris toilet paper. He said no because Chuck Norris takes crap from NOBODY!!!!
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  donderdag 4 november 2010 @ 12:25:22 #150
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Toekomst. Made in Europe.
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Op donderdag 4 november 2010 12:15 schreef sitting_elfling het volgende:

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Dit is al jaren zo en dit zal ook niet veranderen! What else is new? :P
Het nieuwe is dat veel (gerenommeerde) economen melden dat zonder witteboordenfraudebestrijding er ook geen economische opleving meer komt.
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Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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