Israël & Gaza #21: Mutual respect and tolerance

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:26 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Volgens mij snap jij niet dat Gaza zich voor kan doen als een land . Israel kan zeker met de scheiding tussen Fatah en Hamas dit hoog houden waardoor het oorlogsrecht hier legitiem is.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:27 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Haha, misschien moeten we Turkije dan ook vragen voor het tribunaal vanwege de Koerdische gebieden, of GW Bush voor valse informatie verstrekken met betrekking tot de Irak-oorlog.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:28 schreef DeParo het volgende:

hierboven in het artikel van de Washington Post zie je dat dat wel meevalt.

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June 5, 2010

Israeli commando who shot six dead on ship may get ‘medal of valour’James Hider and Alexander Christie-Miller 17 Comments
Recommend? (12) Six of the nine activists killed in Monday’s raid on an aid convoy were shot by a single Israeli commando who is now being considered for a medal of valour.

Israeli reports of the likely award for the soldier — credited with saving his injured comrades as passengers attacked them with clubs, knives and even the guns they had captured from the commandos — are expected to inflame the row with Turkey over the attack on the flotilla.

Mustafa Akyol, a prominent political writer, described the move as an “insult and a provocation to Turkey”. Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish Prime Minister, vented his anger yesterday by quoting from the Bible.

“I am speaking to them in their own language. The sixth commandment says: ‘Thou shalt not kill.’ Did you not understand .... I say in Hebrew: ‘Lo Tirtzakh’,” Mr Erdogan said.

Fresh details of the raid, which sparked accusations of piracy and state terrorism, and wrecked Israel’s strategic partnership with Turkey, emerged yesterday. Autopsies in Turkey claim to show that most of the victims were shot at close range. Dr Haluk Ince, the director of Istanbul’s Medical Examination Institute, said that five of the victims died of bullet wounds to the head.

Reports suggest that passengers had been dragging three captured commandos into the hold of the ship when the shooting broke out. However, a British passenger who survived the pre-dawn encounter in international waters told The Times that some of the more peaceful activists on board had tried to protect captured Israeli soldiers.

The Israeli commando who killed six of the passengers on Mavi Marmara, the Turkish ferry owned by the IHH charity, told The Jerusalem Post that he had been the last of 15 soldiers to abseil down the rope from a helicopter on to the ship.

Identified for security reasons only as Staff Sergeant S, he said that, contrary to initial Israeli army reports, the shooting had started within minutes as he and his comrades were set upon by a “mob of mercenaries”.

As he landed on the top deck, he said he saw three of his superior officers who had landed ahead of him lying injured, one with a bullet wound to the stomach, another shot in the knee and the third beaten unconscious. He formed his men around the wounded, drew his 9mm Glock pistol and opened fire on passengers who he says had fired at the boarding party with guns captured from the first soldiers to land.

“When I hit the deck, I was immediately attacked by people with bats, metal pipes and axes,” he said. “These were without a doubt terrorists. I could see the murderous rage in their eyes and that they were coming to kill us.” He said he saw one of the passengers holding a seized pistol to another Israeli commando’s head.

British and American activists who were on the ship told a different story, accusing the Israelis of firing live rounds from the boats surrounding the ship, the roof where the Israelis had landed, and the helicopter hovering above. They said women went below deck to help in a medical area set up before the attack, and the captured Israeli soldiers were taken down there.

The Turkish Haberturk newspaper ran pictures yesterday that show them being treated on the boat. “They were treated almost immediately,” said Fatima Mohammadi, an American. “They were then released and went back to Israel in bandages.”

She said she was the only woman on the top deck when the firing began. “They started with rubber bullets and stun grenades and then it switched at some point. The cameraman next to me was shot once with a rubber bullet and once with live fire from one of the boats. Blood was pouring out as I worked on his arm.”

Alexandra Lort-Phillips, a 37-year-old activist from Hackney, East London, described seeing an Israeli soldier taken down into the stairwell below the deck where the soldiers landed.

“I went down the stairwell and there was a massive crowd of people and lots of shouting,” she told The Times. “There was a sense of ‘My god, we’ve got an Israeli soldier’. I don’t think we really knew what we were going to do. I saw a gun being taken. His gun belt was removed and someone ran past me with the weapon and disappeared. They could have shot him but didn’t.”

A wounded Turkish passenger, Muhyittin Yildirim, said: “Some Israeli soldiers were rendered ineffective. Our friends got their weapons. If they had a bad intention, they would have used the weapons against the soldiers but they threw them to the sea.” He said people resisted “as a precaution” because they did not trust the soldiers.

Ms Lort-Phillips said about 25 people gathered around a soldier as he was held by his legs and stripped to his underwear. “The women who were there were shouting ‘Don’t hurt him’.”

She denied he was beaten, but said: “There were obviously some guys there who were extremely agitated by the situation. It is like you’d expect when there’s a fight between men.”

Tauqir Sharif, 23, from East London, said that gunfire was coming from the helicopter overhead. “People were just trying to hide. Everyone was running, screaming and shouting. They were using all different kinds of weapons — rubber bullets, paint-ball bullets,” he said of the Israelis.

A Palestinian-born Briton, Osama Qashoo, described how a photographer standing next to him was shot as he raised his camera. “It was raining with live ammunition,” he said. “I put my hand on the back of his head and tried to lift him. Then I felt my hand was wet. His brain was in my hand. I couldn’t stop it.”

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:30 schreef Disana het volgende:

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Het valt helemaal niet mee, maar Mylene heeft selectief gequoot.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:29 schreef BasOne het volgende:

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Israël erkent Gaza niet als....

Oh waarom doe ik de moeite nog..

Ik zal voor je verjaardag een nieuw stel oogkleppen voor je kopen.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:31 schreef BasOne het volgende:

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Naja selectief, de eerste paragrafen van een 2 pagina artikel met bronvermelding

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:30 schreef Disana het volgende:

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Het valt helemaal niet mee, maar Mylene heeft selectief gequoot.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:30 schreef BasOne het volgende:

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HAHA, je schijnt er niets van te snappen, zolang je Israël maar kan verdedigen.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:27 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Dus blokkeren van de Gaza is legitiem? Vreemd dat de VN het daar niet mee eens is.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:33 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Ik denk niet dat je er ooit geweest bent .
Maar goed, je hebt gelijk dat het leven er niet fantastisch is, laten we wel zijn.

Het is oorlog en mensen hebben moeite om aan geld en werk te komen.

Maar nog altijd is het niet dat ze met bosjes dood neervallen of verhongeren.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:32 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Maandag mag je best even langskomen hoor dan ben ik jarig .
Maar vind je het niet mooi hoe elk verdrag weer telkens anders kan gezien worden.

Zo kan je er nooit echt achter komen of het wel/niet legitiem is/was.

Zoals ik al zei moeten er ook voor dit conflict, specifieke verdragen worden afgesproken, niet algemene.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:34 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Waarom moeten Israelische troepen dan wel voorkomen en andere mensen/soldaten niet.
Geef me een reden.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:00 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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geen slimme actie , je kunt op je 10 vingers natellen dat je daar niet mee wegkomt.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:48 schreef Mylene het volgende:
Een meer genuanceerd artikel over de situatie in de Gazastrook.
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volledig artikel

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Originally, Israel hoped the closure would put enough pressure on the local economy that Gazans would grow frustrated and oust Hamas. But the group's hold on power remains firm. Israel has tried to use the closure as a bargaining chip in negotiations for the release of captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, to no avail.

"The blockade policy has not proven itself in the last three years, and I don't think it will prove itself in the next three," said retired Brig. Gen. Meir Elran, a national security expert at Tel Aviv University.

It has not worked out well for Gaza's 1.5 million people, either.

The prohibition on concrete, which Israel says is necessary because Hamas can use it to build bunkers, has forced Palestinians to harvest cement and wire from buildings Israel bombed last year. If the siege were lifted tomorrow all six crossings would need to operate 24 hours a day for three years to fill Gaza's current need of 2 million tons of concrete, Shaban said. The infrastructure woes stretch beyond construction: Gaza suffers rolling blackouts and the sewage treatment facility needs repair.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:28 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Natuurlijk is de VN het er niet mee eens, omdat de gevolgen potentieel desastreus kunnen zijn, maar hierboven in het artikel van de Washington Post zie je dat dat wel meevalt.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 12:30 schreef iehlaak het volgende:
Opvallend trouwens dat de rol van Egypte volledig onderbelicht blijft. Ik kan er nauwelijks artikelen over vinden...
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http://www.hbvl.be/nieuws(...)even-in-tunnels.aspx

Stel je voor dat Israël gifgas inzette tegen de Palestijnse smokkelaars. Erdogan, Ahmadinejad en de andere oorloghitsers zouden volledig door het lint gaan. Net als de VN uiteraard...

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:52 schreef HAKIM_1988 het volgende:
Zweden gaat als reactie op de gaza-blokkade, op haar beurt Israelische schepen en goederen weren uit Zweedse havens.

http://www.haaretz.com/ne(...)la-takeover-1.294295

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:00 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
geen slimme actie , je kunt op je 10 vingers natellen dat je daar niet mee wegkomt.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 15:03 schreef iehlaak het volgende:

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Vredesactivisten die soldaten gijzelen

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:52 schreef HAKIM_1988 het volgende:
Zweden gaat als reactie op de gaza-blokkade, op haar beurt Israelische schepen en goederen weren uit Zweedse havens.

http://www.haaretz.com/ne(...)la-takeover-1.294295

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 15:13 schreef Disana het volgende:

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Nou ja, niet Zweden, maar de havenarbeiders.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 15:13 schreef Mistaravim het volgende:
Zionisme, het kankergezwel van de wereld.

Luister naar de rabbi!

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