Israël & Gaza #21: Mutual respect and tolerance

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:19 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Hamas is een partij die de leiding heeft in Gaza.
Dan vervalt dit gedeelte zeker op basis van geschiedenis nietwaar, dit is meer, dan de organisatie.
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Ik ben al lang tevreden, maar jij niet, aangezien je
je maar beperkt inleest.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:23 schreef DeParo het volgende:
General Rules of the Maritime Activity Zones

The aforementioned fishing boats and recreational boats and their skippers sailing in Zone L shall carry licenses issued by the Palestinian Authority, the format and standards of which will be coordinated through the JSC.

The boats shall have identification markings determined by the Palestinian Authority. The Israeli authorities will be notified through the JSC of these identification markings.

Residents of Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip fishing in Zone L will carry Israeli licenses and vessel permits.

As part of Israel's responsibilities for safety and security within the three Maritime Activity Zones, Israel Navy vessels may sail throughout these zones, as necessary and without limitations, and may take any measures necessary against vessels suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity. The Palestinian Police will be notified of such actions, and the ensuing procedures will be coordinated through the Maritime Coordination and Cooperation Center.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:19 schreef DeParo het volgende:

Ik ben al lang tevreden, maar jij niet, aangezien je
je maar beperkt inleest.

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Legal arguments opposing the action
Richard Falk, professor emeritus of international law at Princeton University and U.N. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory said that the “ships that were situated in the high seas where freedom of navigation exists, according to the law of the seas” and called for those responsible to "be held criminally accountable for their wrongful acts".

Former British Ambassador and one time Foreign Office specialist on maritime law Craig Murray explained that the raid was not an act of piracy, as the Israeli vessels carried a military commission, but said that it would be "an act of illegal warfare". According to Murray, the Law of the Sea rules that, when an incident takes place on a ship on the high seas the applicable law is that of the flag state of the ship on which the incident occurred, so the Turkish ship was Turkish territory. If the Israeli commandos were acting on behalf of the government of Israel in killing the activists on the ships, Israel would be in a position of war with Turkey, and the act would fall under international jurisdiction as a war crime. If, on the other hand, the killings were not authorised Israeli military action, they were acts of murder under Turkish jurisdiction and if Israel does not consider itself in a position of war with Turkey, then it must hand over the commandos involved for trial in Turkey under Turkish law.

In a legal analysis published by the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, a staff expert on international law explained that countries are not allowed to extend their sovereignty on areas outside of their coastal waters. In a zone extending 24 nautical miles (44 km) from the coast, countries have the right to inspect ships in order to enforce immigration and public health laws and regulations. In international waters, if there is reasonable suspicion of piracy or human trafficking, a country has the right to access foreign ships. If the suspicion remains, it can search the ship. Israeli soldiers have the right to defend themselves. If Israel has used force against the ships without legal justification, the crew members had the right to defend themselves.

Robin Churchill, international law professor at the University of Dundee in Scotland, said there was no legal basis for boarding the ships as they were in international waters. Ove Bring, Swedish international law professor, said that Israel had no right to take military action. That was supported by Mark Klamberg at Stockholm University. Canadian scholar Michael Byers notes that the event would only be legal if the Israeli boarding were necessary and proportionate for the country's self defence. Byers believes that "the action does not appear to have been necessary in that the threat was not imminent." Jason Alderwick, a maritime analyst at the International Institute for Strategic Studies of London, was quoted as saying that the Israeli raid did not appear to have been conducted lawfully under the convention. Anthony D'Amato, international law professor at Northwestern University School of Law, argued that the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea applies to a situation in which the laws of war between states are in force. He said the laws of war do not apply in the conflict between Israel and Hamas, which isn't even a state. He said the law of the Geneva Conventions would apply. Said Mahmoudi, an international law professor, said that boarding a ship on international waters, kill and capture civilians is not in line with the law.

A group of Israeli lawyers, including Avigdor Feldman, petitioned the Israeli High Court charging that Israel had violated the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea by capturing the boats in international waters.

Turkey's foreign minister Ahmet Davutoğlu called the raid "a grave breach of international law and constituted banditry and piracy—it was “murder” conducted by a State, without justification". Prominent Turkish jurists have characterized Israel's actions as a violation of international law and a "war crime."

Turkey's deputy parliament speaker, Guldal Mumcu, said in a declaration that "[t]his attack was an open violation of United Nations rules and international law," and that "Turkey should seek justice against Israel through national and international legal authorities. The parliament expects the Turkish government to revise the political, military and economic relations with Israel, and to take effective measures."

Dr. Turgut Tarhanlı, dean of the Law department of İstanbul Bilgi University, cited the concept of innocent passage, under which vessels are granted safe passage through territorial waters in a manner which is not "prejudicial to the peace, good order or the security" of the state. He said that

the Convention on the Law of the Sea stipulates that a coastal state may consider intervention if a ship is engaged in arms and drug smuggling, the slave trade or terrorist activities. However, the case with the aid boats is totally different. They set sail in accordance with the Customs Act and are known to be carrying humanitarian aid, not weapons or ammunition. According to the Convention on the Law of the Sea, Israel was not entitled to launch a military operation against the boats and activists.

With regard to the Gaza–Jericho Agreement, Diana Buttu, a Palestinian-Canadian lawyer, professor, and former spokesperson with the Palestine Liberation Organization, said that Israel declared the Oslo Accords dead in 2001, and actually breached the agreements, so that a call to the applicability of the Gaza-Jericho Agreement is not plausible.

José María Ruiz Soroa, a Spanish expert in Admiralty law and co-author of the legal commentary "Manual de derecho de la navegación marítima", said that Israel is not entitled according to International Law to constrain the freedom of navigation of any ship on the high seas, except in a number of situations that do not apply to the Gaza flotilla case. Blockade is not a valid reason as it is a concept only applicable to war situations. He also mentioned that Israel's action is a breach of the UN International Maritime Organization Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Maritime Navigation (SUA), which was signed by Israel in April 2009. According to the article 6.1 of the SUA, the jurisdiction over the offences that a ship might have committed lays in the State whose flag the ship is flying (in this situation, Turkey).

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Israeli marines were held during ship raid-witness

* Soldiers freed after Israel agreed to airlift wounded

* Lebanese account echoes testimony from both sides

BEIRUT, June 3 (Reuters) - Activists on a Gaza-bound Turkish ship seized four Israeli marines before other commandos stormed aboard using live ammunition, a Lebanese cameraman said in an account on Thursday that echoed elements of Israeli testimony.

There were sharp differences in the versions of Monday's events at sea on the cruise liner Mavi Marmara. Witnesses freed after three days incommunicado in Israel accused troops of war crimes; Israel held to its line that they fired in self-defence.

But the account from Andre Abu Khalil, a cameraman for Al Jazeera TV, echoed other testimony, from both sides, that after an initial landing by a small group of commandos armed with anti-riot weapons was overpowered by activists wielding sticks, a second wave of marines stormed in, killing those in their way.

Israeli troops insist they killed 9 men only after being fired on by two activists who seized pistols from marines; many of those aboard the ship say they saw no activists shooting.

Abu Khalil told Reuters by telephone from the southern Lebanese village of Marjayoun: "There were four Israeli soldiers brought to the lowest deck. They had fracture wounds."

The soldiers were apparently captured during attempts to descend to the ship from helicopters, Abu Khalil heard from activists who had been on the top deck of the Mavi Marmara.

On Monday, an Israeli commando said he was struck with metal bars on the ship, while others in the boarding party were held down and stripped of their helmets and equipment.

HUMAN SHIELD

Abu Khalil went on: "Twenty Turkish men formed a human shield to prevent the Israeli soldiers from scaling the ship. They had slingshots, water pipes and sticks."

"They were banging the pipes on the side of the ship to warn the Israelis not to get closer."

The standoff lasted about 10 minutes until the Israelis opened fire, he said: "One man got a direct hit to the head and another one was shot in the neck."

Abu Khalil said he saw some 40 wounded people, some with bullet wounds to the legs, apparently to disable them. Others had wounds to the eye, stomach and chest.

One activist used a loudhailer to tell the Israelis the four captive soldiers were well and would be released if they provided medical help for the wounded.

With an Israeli Arab lawmaker acting as mediator, the Israelis agreed to the request and the wounded were brought to the top deck where they were airlifted off the ship.

Abu Khalil said: "I'm happy and angry at the same time ... The most we had was a kitchen knife and sling shots." (Additional reporting by Alastair Macdonald in Jerusalem)

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:33 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Kun je er bij zetten welk artikel dat is?

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:34 schreef BasOne het volgende:

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Deze mensen hebben zich ook maar beperkt ingelezen zeker:
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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:33 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Kun je er bij zetten welk artikel dat is?

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:36 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Om zichzelf in te dekken zeggen deze mensen dat Israel de oslo-akkoorden dood heeft verklaard.
Haha tsja als je jezelf zo wilt indekken be my guest maar je weet dat de actie legaal is.
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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:40 schreef BasOne het volgende:

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Israël zelf haalt het Oslo akkoord niet eens aan.....

Je bent wel heel erg pro-Israël en ik dacht dat C_N erg was.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:43 schreef Farang het volgende:
Tutu condemns Israeli 'apartheid'

South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu has accused Israel of practising apartheid in its policies towards the Palestinians.

The Nobel peace laureate said he was "very deeply distressed" by a visit to the Holy Land, adding that "it reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa".

In a speech in the United States, carried in the UK's Guardian newspaper, Archbishop Tutu said he saw "the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about".

The archbishop, who was a leading opponent of apartheid in South Africa, said Israel would "never get true security and safety through oppressing another people".

Archbishop Tutu said his criticism of the Israeli Government did not mean he was anti-Semitic.

"I am not even anti-white, despite the madness of that group," he said.

Jewish lobby

The archbishop attacked the political power of Jewish groups in the United States, saying: "People are scared in this country, to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful. Well, so what?

"The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists.

"Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust," he said.

Speaking at a conference called Ending the Oppression in Boston, Archbishop Tutu told delegates Jewish people had been at the forefront of the struggle against apartheid in South Africa.

He asked: "Have our Jewish sisters and brothers forgotten their humiliation? Have they forgotten the collective punishment, the home demolitions, in their own history so soon?

"Have they turned their backs on their profound and noble religious traditions?"

The archbishop said that while he condemned suicide bombings by Palestinian militants against Israel, Israeli military action would not bring security to the Jewish state.

Israel must "strive for peace based on justice, based on withdrawal from all the occupied territories, and the establishment of a viable Palestinian state on those territories side by side with Israel, both with secure borders," he said.

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In Gaza, a complex, dysfunctional way of life

GAZA CITY -- The ill-fated aid flotilla bound for Gaza this week bore food, medicine and toys.

What it didn't have on board were the things that Gazans say they need most: jobs, reliable electricity and a ticket out.

It has been five years since Israel pulled its soldiers and settlers from the coastal strip, and largely closed Gaza off from the world. Israel's critics say what's left is a devastated land in need of emergency assistance. Israeli officials insist Gaza's people are getting what they need to live. Neither narrative reflects the complex and dysfunctional way of life that has emerged here.

Gazans lament where they can't go more than what they can't buy. They also decry the lack of employment -- with no building supplies and few trade possibilities, joblessness is rampant. Once an exporter of fruits and other goods, Gaza has been turned into a mini-welfare state with a broken economy where food and daily goods are plentiful, but where 80 percent of the population depends on charity. Hospitals, schools, electricity systems and sewage treatment facilities are all in deep disrepair.

Yet if you walk down Gaza City's main thoroughfare -- Salah al-Din Street -- grocery stores are stocked wall-to-wall with everything from fresh Israeli yogurts and hummus to Cocoa Puffs smuggled in from Egypt. Pharmacies look as well-supplied as a typical Rite Aid in the United States.

"When Western people come, they have this certain image of Gaza," said Omar Shaban, an economist who heads Pal-Think for Strategic Studies in Gaza. "We have microwaves in our homes, not only me, everybody. If you go to a refugee camp, the house is bad, but the people and the equipment are very modern. The problem is the public infrastructure."

The Israeli blockade -- which activists were trying to pierce Monday when nine died in a melee at sea with Israeli commandos -- is designed to deny weapons to the Islamist Hamas group and weaken its authority. A vast array of items -- from concrete to coriander -- have been blocked from entering the territory, and few residents are allowed to leave.

With the exception of one border crossing that is managed -- and largely kept shut -- by Egypt, Israel controls all entry and exit points to the Gaza Strip, a narrow territory that is 25 miles long and three to seven miles wide. After Israel first imposed a closure on the territory in 2005, the blockade has intensified over the three years since Hamas seized power.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:46 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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En jij bent wel erg anti-Israel en ik dacht dat Moussie erg was.
Blijkbaar halen ze die nu wel aan via het Gaza-Jericho verdrag.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:57 schreef BasOne het volgende:

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Bekijk het ff, een verdrag aanhalen om het kapen legaal te maken maar je er verder niet aan houden.

En jij vind het nog normaal ook.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:34 schreef Mylene het volgende:
Een Libanese cameraman aan boord het schip over de gebeurtenissen.
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bron

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BEIRUT, June 3 (Reuters) - Activists on a Gaza-bound Turkish ship seized four Israeli marines before other commandos stormed aboard using live ammunition, a Lebanese cameraman said in an account on Thursday that echoed elements of Israeli testimony.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 13:58 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Israel heeft zich er volgens mij perfect aan gehouden.
Het maakt zelfs de blokkade legaal van Gaza, dit is niet meer de PLO, dit is de vijand Hamas.

Hamas heeft nu de leiding over Gaza dus vormen ze een direct gevaar.

En tegen dit soort gebieden mag je ook volgens het oorlogsrecht gerust oorlog voeren dus tegen Hamas.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:13 schreef sp3c het volgende:
las ergens dat 6 van de slachtoffers door 1 individuele militair zijn neergeschoten

die word nu voorgedragen voor een dapperheidsonderscheiding vanwege het redden van een aantal van zijn maten, schijnbaar met schotwonden!

dat laatste lijkt me wat onhandig atm ... olie op het vuur

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:21 schreef sp3c het volgende:
dat zou een vrij heldere zaak moeten zijn

ze probeerden mijn matties te lynchen dus schoot ik ze kapot
ik wil die figuren die wat hoger op de ladder staan wel is voor een tribunaal zien

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:06 schreef BasOne het volgende:

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Volgens mij snap je nog steeds niet dat het oorlogsrecht alleen geld als er landen met elkaar in oorlog zijn, of er een burgeroorlog is.
En Israël houd zich niet aan de Oslo akkoorden, ik zou zeggen, lees je eens in.
Het Oslo II akkoord is niet voor niets mislukt op Camp David II.

Als ik al 1 voorbeeld wil noemen is dat het akkoord voorziet in vrij verkeer tussen de Westbank en de Gaza, Israël laat maar met mondjes maat mensen uit Gaza, Dus dat is al 1 punt van het akkoord waar ze zich niet aan houden.
Laat staan de wederopbouw... cement word niet eens toegelaten, hoe kan je een gebied opbouwen zonder bouwmateriaal, nog een puntje van het Oslo akkoord waar Israël zich niet aan houd.
Ik kan nog wel even doorgaan, maar ik heb me niet goed ingelezen...

Israël houd zich voor geen meter aan de Oslo akkoorden, moet je niet het lef hebben het erbij te pakken om je criminele daden goed te praten.

En het maakt een blokkade niet legaal, het is legaal voor Israël om schepen binnen de 24 mijls zone te controleren...

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:14 schreef BasOne het volgende:

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Idd, niet echt slim, wacht daar een half jaar mee en doe het stilletjes.
Turkije heeft nog steeds het recht die militairen op te eisen voor een oorlogstribunaal.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:26 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Volgens mij snap jij niet dat Gaza zich voor kan doen als een land . Israel kan zeker met de scheiding tussen Fatah en Hamas dit hoog houden waardoor het oorlogsrecht hier legitiem is.

En jij blijft er maar op gooien dat Israel zich nu niet houdt aan de Oslo-Akkoorden.

Maar als jij een beetje zou nadenken, zou je erachter komen, dat dat een legitieme reactie is op Palestijns gedrag waarbij de Oslo-akkoorden niet of nauwelijks behandeld werden in eigen land.

Maar goed, blijf de terroristen maar goed praten, Israel staat volledig in z'n recht.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:14 schreef BasOne het volgende:

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Idd, niet echt slim, wacht daar een half jaar mee en doe het stilletjes.
Turkije heeft nog steeds het recht die militairen op te eisen voor een oorlogstribunaal.

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Op zaterdag 5 juni 2010 14:27 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Dus blokkeren van de Gaza is legitiem? Vreemd dat de VN het daar niet mee eens is.