TV- debatten Gordon Brown, David Cameron en Nick Clegg

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Op donderdag 22 april 2010 15:09 schreef freako het volgende:
Dan kon het nog wel eens spannend gaan worden deze keer. . Des te meer reden om te gaan stemmen.

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Op donderdag 22 april 2010 18:12 schreef Thelonious het volgende:

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Je bedoelt Wilders of Nick Clegg als geblondeerde idioot?

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Op donderdag 22 april 2010 18:15 schreef Thelonious het volgende:
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Op donderdag 22 april 2010 18:19 schreef Thelonious het volgende:

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Ik denk dat Gordon Brown er niet zit om zijn rijke vriendjes geld toe te schuiven. En dat is wel wat ik verwacht van Cameron.
Je kunt zeggen van Brown wat je wil maar het is geen elitaire zakkenvuller.

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Op donderdag 22 april 2010 18:12 schreef Thelonious het volgende:

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Je bedoelt Wilders of Nick Clegg als geblondeerde idioot?

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Op donderdag 22 april 2010 22:36 schreef huhggh het volgende:

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weinig mis met Farage hoor, om hem niet tot zo'n debat toe te laten.
Maar door hem bij zoiets uit te sluiten weet je zeker dat hij geen kans krijgt.

Bij BBC Radio 4-debat, een paar weken geleden, vond ik hem niet zo slechts al vaak wordt voorgesteld.

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Op donderdag 22 april 2010 23:26 schreef tim. het volgende:
Peilingen wijzen zowel Clegg als Cameron als winnaar aan. Ik vond Brown opvallend (tegen mijn verwachtingen in) sterk, en Cameron juist de verliezer.

Over een paar minuten bespreekt Alexander Pechtold bij Pauw & Witteman het debat.

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Op donderdag 22 april 2010 23:34 schreef El_Matador het volgende:

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Kereltje Pechtold probeert er weer 2 zetels bij te lullen?

D66 is net zo hol als de PVV. Hoop geschreeuw, geen oplossingen. Jammer, want in principe hebben ze best een aardig idee.

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Op vrijdag 23 april 2010 00:20 schreef tjoptjop het volgende:
Bummer, ik bleek het toch niet op satelliet te kunnen ontvangen

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Five Reasons Why American Conservatives Should be Worried about Nick Clegg [Nile Gardiner]
Thursday night will see the second of three U.S.-style televised debates between the leading candidates in the upcoming British general election: Gordon Brown, David Cameron, and Nick Clegg. The focus this time will be on foreign policy, making the debate of direct relevance to U.S. viewers, who will be able to watch live on C-Span.

As Tim Montgomerie noted in an excellent earlier post, Nick Clegg, the leader of the Liberal Democrats, was widely judged to have won the last debate, on domestic-policy issues (though he failed to offer any real policy solutions), and his party has leapfrogged the ruling Labour Party into second place in the polls behind the Conservatives. Clegg is largely unknown outside of the U.K., but if his party does well on Election Day, he could hold the balance of power in Westminster, and the Liberals could form part of a coalition government if no single party has a ruling majority. This would potentially give Clegg an important say in British foreign policy.

I’ve already described Clegg as the anti-Churchill of British politics, and he is without a doubt the most left-wing major party leader in Britain in a generation. There is some common ground between Clegg’s views and those of the Obama administration, but I think even the current liberal White House would balk at some of Clegg’s extreme positions. Here are five key reasons why U.S. conservatives should be concerned by Clegg’s foreign policy if his party does form part of the next British government:

1. Clegg’s outlook is anti-American.

Clegg, a major opponent of the Iraq War, has made a number of statements calling for a completely new relationship with the United States and an end to what he mockingly calls London’s “subservience” to Washington. He rejects the idea of a “special relationship” with America, and believes that the top priority for Britain is to strengthen ties with a federal Europe.

2. Clegg is not an Atlanticist.

Clegg has called for an end to “default Atlanticism,” and has shown barely any interest in the transatlantic alliance. His party manifesto does not even mention NATO. As Clegg put it in a flagship speech in March: “Our strategic interests will not be served unless we release ourselves from that spell of default Atlanticism which has prevailed so strongly since Suez.”

3. Clegg does not believe in a nuclear deterrent.

Clegg has called for the scrapping of Britain’s trident nuclear deterrent and is firmly opposed to the use of force against Iran’s nuclear facilities as a last resort if sanctions fail. His national-security outlook is extremely weak in the face of mounting threats from rogue regimes, and he has been a fierce critic of key aspects of the U.S.-led War on Terror.

4. Clegg is a fervent supranationalist.

A former European Commission bureaucrat and a strong supporter of the Lisbon Treaty, Clegg firmly believes that Britain must give up key aspects of national sovereignty in Europe, including the pound, and supports the EU having a unified foreign policy and defense identity. He is a big believer in the power of supranational institutions such as the United Nations and summed up his views on sovereignty in a speech at Chatham House: “Globalization requires us to formulate a system of supranational governance capable of controlling forces which escape the limitations of the nation state.”

5. Clegg harbors strong anti-Israeli views.

To describe Clegg as a vociferous opponent of Israel would be an understatement — I’ve written in greater detail on this issue here. Clegg has penned a number of articles condemning Israel’s handling of Gaza, and has been the most prominent British critic of Israel’s response to Hamas attacks. He has alleged that the Israeli government “continues to imprison 1.5 million Palestinians and prevent the rebuilding of its shattered infrastructure,” and supports the U.N.’s use of the highly offensive term “collective punishment.” Clegg has drawn parallels between Israel’s defensive actions and the terrorist campaigns of groups such as Hamas, and has urged the European Union in the past to isolate and even sanction Israel.

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Op donderdag 22 april 2010 23:40 schreef tim. het volgende:

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Nah, dat zal wel zijn eerste motief zijn geweest, maar nu gaat het over het plan van D66/GroenLinks voor een politiemissie in Afghanistan. Hij is wel de juiste persoon om daarover te praten.

En na een paar minuten over het Britse debat te hebben gesproken eindigde het weer met een paar campagneminuten voor D66 . Deed 'ie wel goed, maar ik had meer over het debat willen horen.

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Op vrijdag 23 april 2010 00:27 schreef Illiberal het volgende:
Die clegg is niet een al te beste kerel:
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Achja, weer een land verloren aan de progressieven. Kan ook niet anders. Ik neem aan dat Netwerk, NOVA en de Nederlandse kranten al lopen te juichen?

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Op vrijdag 23 april 2010 00:27 schreef Illiberal het volgende:
Die clegg is niet een al te beste kerel:
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Achja, weer een land verloren aan de progressieven. Kan ook niet anders. Ik neem aan dat Netwerk, NOVA en de Nederlandse kranten al lopen te juichen?

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Op vrijdag 23 april 2010 00:27 schreef Illiberal het volgende:
Die clegg is niet een al te beste kerel:
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Achja, weer een land verloren aan de progressieven. Kan ook niet anders. Ik neem aan dat Netwerk, NOVA en de Nederlandse kranten al lopen te juichen?

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Op vrijdag 23 april 2010 12:09 schreef Vader_Aardbei het volgende:

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''Verloren aan de progressieven?'' Sneu figuur. Je moet eens wat minder de Kool-Aid van Glen Beck drinken en meer zelf nadenken. Tijden veranderen, en je angstig vastklampen aan tradities leidt op de langere duur alleen maar tot verloedering.

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Op woensdag 21 april 2010 17:45 schreef freako het volgende:
Door de Nederlandse media wordt altijd benadrukt dat Nick Clegg half-Nederlands is, en vloeiend Nederlands spreekt. Hier een link naar een radio-interview uit 2009 met Nick Clegg over de bonnetjesaffaire, in het Nederlands:

http://nos.nl/audio/14911(...)onnetjesaffaire.html

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Gordon goes back to grovel in person to life-long Labour grandmother he called a 'bigot' for complaining about immigration

* Huge gaffe as PM insults voter, not realising Sky microphone was on
* Pensioner is life-long Labour supporter about to send postal vote
* World sees him hold his head in his hands as comments are replayed
* First he apologises by phone, then goes to Gillian Duffy's home
* Mandelson: He's deeply upset, this is not his public or private view

A humiliated Gordon Brown was forced to drive to a voter's house today to apologise, hours after he was caught out calling her a 'bigoted woman'.
The Prime Minister had to tear up his schedule to visit Gillian Duffy, 65, after his gaffe threatened to totally undermine Labour's election campaign.

Mr Brown had already apologised to the life-long Labour voter, who had quizzed him about immigration levels, by phone after realising his comment was recorded on tape.
But in farcical scenes, he later went to her terraced home in Rochdale, Lancashire, to speak to her in person to try and mitigate the damage.

He emerged looking chastened after an agonising 40 minutes to face the hordes of media massed on the drive.

'I am mortified by what has happened. I have given her my sincere apologies. I misunderstood what she said. She has accepted that there was a misunderstanding and she has accepted my apology,' he said.
'If you like, I am a penitent sinner. Sometimes you say things that you don't mean to say, sometimes you say things by mistake and sometimes when you say things you want to correct it very quickly.

The slip-up came on one of the few occasions he has not been accompanied on the campaign trail by his wife and public relations expert, Sarah.

Despite the frantic damage-limitation exercise, it risks delivering a potential mortal blow to Mr Brown's hopes of staying in Number Ten.
It could not have come at a worse time for the Prime Minister, just a day ahead of the final leaders' debate tomorrow night.

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Op woensdag 28 april 2010 22:50 schreef huhggh het volgende:
Hopelijk gaat Labour veel zetels verliezen.
Brown is nog erger dan Labour's grootste vijand, wat een lopende anti-reclame.

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Op woensdag 28 april 2010 23:00 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Labours grootste vijand is de conservatieve partij, dus erger dan dat kan hij niet zijn. Het is omdat ze meer dan een decennium uit beeld zijn, maar de Tories zijn echt, echt, echt heel erg waardeloos.

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She’s not bigot... he’s not clever

SHAMED Gordon Brown's election hopes seemed to be toast last night after he was heard calling a caring gran a "bigot".
The PM smeared LABOUR supporter Gillian Duffy, 66, without realising his slur was being picked up on a TV microphone on his lapel.

She tackled him about immigration after popping out for a loaf of brown bread in Rochdale, Lancs.
Last night Gillian's friends and family said Mr Brown could not have been more wrong.

Retired dinner lady Irene White, a neighbour who has known lifelong Labour supporter Gillian for years, said: "He made a mistake criticising her.
"She's a nice person and has worked hard all her life. She's not a bigot." Irene, 66, added: "If you can't speak your mind to the Prime Minister, what can you do?"

She spoke just hours after Mr Brown met Gillian on a walkabout.
His attack on the pensioner moments later was heard around the world because he didn't realise he was still "wired up" with a TV microphone.

Gillian was approached soon after to be told the PM had said something about her. At first she smiled - but was then near tears when told he had branded her a bigot.Clearly shaken she gasped: "You're joking. Where was I bigoted?" Family friend Nick Woodruff, 37, called Gillian a "lovely woman". And her nephew Andrew Duffy said: "She tells the truth."

He said Mr Brown had "made a massive fool of himself". And he added: "It's a massive gaffe, isn't it?"
The PM knew it - and was forced to make a special trip to Gillian's house later to offer her a humiliating personal apology. But the damage had been done. And a YouGov poll for The Sun last night indicated he may be toast at the election - with 46 per cent of voters quizzed reckoning he had been exposed as a hypocrite.Only one in four believed his apology was genuine.

Before the PM arrived at her home widow Gillian, who spent her life working with vulnerable kids for her local council, told The Sun: "It's awful the Prime Minister is going around talking to the electorate and then saying I'm a bigot when I'm not. It's shocking what happened.

"I'm not voting for him after what he called me. I'm very disappointed, it's very upsetting."

Gillian had popped out for a loaf of brown bread when she bumped into the PM. In public, Mr Brown laughed with her and said it was good to meet her. But a couple of her comments got under his skin.
FIRST, after telling the PM her family had always voted Labour - and her dad went to the local Free Trade Hall to sing The Red Flag - she added: "Now I'm ashamed of saying 'I'm Labour'."
THEN she asked about immigration, a thorny issue in a town hit by six per cent unemployment and genuine concern about the number of foreign workers in the area.

Feisty Gillian, whose husband died of cancer four years ago, told Mr Brown: "You can't say anything about the immigrants. All these Eastern Europeans what are coming in, where are they flocking from?"

The pair appeared to part on good terms, with Gillian calling the PM "very nice". But as soon as he climbed into his waiting Jag, Mr Brown revealed his true feelings.

He told close aide Justin Forsyth the encounter had been a "disaster".

When Forsyth asked him what Gillian said, he snapped: "Ach, everything. She's just a sort of bigoted woman who said she used to vote Labour."

The TV microphone, attached to the PM's lapel to record his walkabout exchanges, picked up the lot.

And he soon realised he was deep in the brown stuff. During a following interview on Radio 2's Jeremy Vine show in Manchester, the PM, unaware he was also being filmed, slumped forward and thrust his head in his hands as his swipe at Gillian was played back.
He said: "I do apologise if I have said anything hurtful and I will apologise to her personally."

But he also called her question about immigration "annoying" and hit out at the broadcasting of the "private conversation" with his aide.

The PM spent 39 minutes with Gillian after hasty arrangements were made to take him to her home. He said as he emerged: "I am mortified by what has happened. I have given her my sincere apologies."

Mr Brown claimed he "misunderstood" Gillian and she had accepted his apology.
He added: "If you like, I am a penitent sinner."

But Gillian's niece, who shares the pensioner's first name, said: "He has shown his true colours. He's always trying to pretend to be so nice and in touch with people. But he's not."
Business Secretary Lord Mandelson admitted there was "no justification" for the PM's comment.
Mr Brown sent a message to Labour Party members admitting his "mistake" would affect their campaigning. And he went on an unplanned walkabout in Manchester's Piccadilly railway station in a bid to repair the damage.

But he bungled again when he met a teenager in Army fatigues.
He told the lad: "Thank you for all you are doing for us. What regiment are you serving in?" The shocked teenager replied: "I'm not. I'm a cadet."
Mr Brown's anger at the question and the resulting "bigot" slur was strange given he insists it is NOT racist to talk about immigration. In November last year, he said: "I have never agreed with the lazy elitism that dismisses immigration as an issue, or portrays anyone who has concerns about immigration, as a racist."

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Op woensdag 28 april 2010 23:00 schreef Monidique het volgende:
en zonder Brown, vermoed ik, had Labour zelfs nog kunnen winnen.

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Op donderdag 29 april 2010 00:46 schreef Morendo het volgende:

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Ik vind de Tories wel een prima partij hebben. En zoveel verschil is er niet tussen 'New Labour' en het 'Compassionate Conservatism' van Cameron.

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Op donderdag 29 april 2010 10:27 schreef Monopoly_Man het volgende:

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De Tories stellen tax cuts voor voor de top 3% van de inkomens en willen geld besparen op andere vlakken. Ook willen ze van de Human Rights Act af en geven ze nou niet al te veel om bvb. homorechten. Hun "familiewaarden" en tax cuts voor mensen die trouwens zijn ook gewoon belachelijk.

In Europa hebben ze ook de centraal-rechtse partij verlaten om samen te werken met enkele erg rechtse partijen die niet geloven in klimaatveranderingen of mensenrechten...

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Op donderdag 29 april 2010 10:44 schreef El_Matador het volgende:

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Dat de Tories conservatieven zijn, dat lijkt me duidelijk. Niks voor mij dus.

Maar dat ze die debiele klimaatveranderingsbullshit verwerpen, spreekt alleen maar voor ze.

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Op donderdag 29 april 2010 10:50 schreef Monopoly_Man het volgende:

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Ehm... nouja, je mag het bullshit noemen.

Zij verwerpen het trouwens helemaal niet, ze werken wel samen met partijen die dat doen...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w(...)tives_and_Reformists
ChristenUnie zit blijkbaar ook in de groep!

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Op donderdag 29 april 2010 10:55 schreef El_Matador het volgende:

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Zeker. Er is geen enkele natuurwetenschappelijke basis voor de onzin die er gespuid wordt. Het is een grote schande voor de natuurwetenschap die op deze manier verkracht wordt.

Ja, dat is logisch; ze zitten in een Europese fractie, maar dat zegt niks natuurlijk. De GristenUnie loopt als een laffe hond achter die klimaatonzin aan, dus het standpunt van een Europese fractie waar toevallig dezelfde partij inzit, is geen teken dat de Tories het klimaatgelul verwerpen.

Dan beter UKIP.