Pandora; open source handheld console II

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Op maandag 6 februari 2010 09:38 schreef __Saviour__ het volgende:
'Pandora's successor' wordt bij dat dreamcast filmpje genoemd. Zijn ze daar ook alweer echt mee bezig dan?

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The cases have arrived early, wow, some good luck for once!

When I say early I actually mean weeks late I suppose.

Well, not perfect, but I guess we will have to go with them.

Craigix: We might go with some of these cases. They are not perfect, but I've no doubt many people will not care as long as the controls work.

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craigixMichael will make a video and take some photos of a cased Pandora using the latest case.

We will then ask people if they want to go with this or wait for another revision. We know all that some of you care about is that the controls work.

We will probably look at making 500 of these to get some units in to the wild, but we understand that some of you will want to wait until the case is 100%.

Either way is cool.

That's the plan.

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MWeston
These cases are like the ugly girlfriend who does all the dirty stuff you like but someone you don't want your friends to see.

The case fits, is totally functional and sturdy but it looks like the rev2 ones. I don't know what the hell they were doing the past two months. Seriously.

I'm also trying to find out if these were made from recycled plastic or new pellets. Maybe that is why it still has rough edges and a greasy finish and a production run will be done differently.

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craigixIt's lots of little issues, not quite straight edges on the ports, little things here and there, the photos will show it better.

Some people would not care, others would. It's just one of those situations.

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DaveCFrom what I have seen it is mainly things like a few sink marks, flow lines and rough edges. These things should be fixed by better mold fit and finish.

The functionality looked fine from the photos I have seen and the strength should be fine. The issues are cosmetic. If you are planning to use it roughly by throwing it in a bag and letting it get scratched up anyway the current cases should be ok for you.

I have to admit after seeing the cases in the current state, a wave of exitement drowned out the flaws. I can see enjoying this alot and it is truly a cool piece of kit.

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From what I have seen of these new mouldings, your moulding company needs to run a small batch to validate thier parameters, things like mould temperature, injection pressures, cycle times etc.

These coupled with venting added in the correct positions (tiny modifications 1- 2 days max) will sort out your sinkages, short fills etc.

The greasy finish you mention is most probably due to excessive release agent used when running the mould for the first time (reduces the risk of the moulding sticking in the tool).

I have been designing plastic components for over 10 years now, and alot of your issues with Chinese moulding companies are well known, regardless which company you chose over there, they just work diferently to us.

I am very optimistic though, when these parts are run to the correct production processes, perhaps with extra venting, your cosmetic issues will be resolved.

(Madcad77)

I tend to agree with you here since there has to be a reason for the way things are. I’m still up assembling units as I’ve made some promises for the week and I am noticing that several of the parts feel like they are almost dripping with grease (release agent). I even started wiping a few off. These came right out of the mold and into the shipping box.

(MWeston)

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EvilDragon1717: Just made a speed test of pndnotifyd (the system that autodiscovers PND files). Slow SD Card: it needs about 5 - 6 seconds for 100 games!

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Craigix: Spoke to the factory; the final cases won't have these errors or finish, that's good news.

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We spoke to the factory over night, everything is cool. Those errors were because the machine was not warmed up/tweaked/cooled. They would never mass produce something with such errors.

They just assumed we would know that.

So, green lighted.

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Ever thought it could be bad when things arrive EARLIER than expected?
Monday, 08 February 2010 12:52 EvilDragon
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Well, we also didn't. But that was what happened.

The cases did arrive on Friday, not as expected today. While this usually is a good thing, we were shocked by the quality - just look at the pictures which float around at the boards and you'll agree with us. The bad thing about timezones is: When Michael did get those cases, it was too late to call up the chinese factory to find out what went wrong.

So a lot of turbulences did happen at the boards - which was perfectly understandable. As said, we also were shocked.

However, it looks like this is another thing did learn: Injection mould samples will always look that bad if it's just a bunch of them.

After recovering from the shock, we started to investigate and think about what just happened. To be honest I didn't think this could possibly look like the final product. Come on, what kind of company would survive for 12 years if they produce cracked and cheap looking products to their customers. No, there HAD to be something we didn't know.

Then some guys at the board who do work in injection moulding business did tell us a bit more. I also talked to some other guys via ICQ - and got the same replies from all of them: Doing a proper injection moulding run needs a lot of time. The machine has to heaten up completely (which usually needs a few hours) and the mould has to be aligned properly, which also does take some time. As this would mean the machine couldn't be used for mass production at that time (which is a loss of money) they usually don't let it heaten up completely.

As the plastic tends to keep sticking inside of the mould if not fully heated, they add a bit more grease. Otherwise, they'd have to manually remove the plastic which could damage the mould - and that's definately not good.

Another thing was that they might've used recycled plastic for the samples. Why use the expensive plastic when it's just samples that won't be used at all anyways? That's why there were discolorations and the case was looking greasy. As the finishing usually also isn't applied, it looks scratched.

So as that did calm us down a bit, we had to wait until Fatihs friend could call up the factory today.

And guess what: I looks like this was EXACTLY the case. The samples were just meant to check if everything fits. The final mass production cases will be properly heated and cooled down and will get a nice finishing. This is what they did tell us.

As chinese holidays are nearing, you can surely think that a lot of their customers are currently trying to rush things, so they didn't have much time at all to properly align the case.

So what should we say? We decided to GO for it! Let them do those cases - until we really do the mass production, we will never see a final case with proper finishing anyways!

Let's hope they can produce as many cases as possible before their new year start!

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Op maandag 8 februari 2010 16:32 schreef jimjim1983 het volgende:
wow vat een vet apparaat
als ie C&C draait dan wil ik m ook

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Op maandag 8 februari 2010 16:38 schreef jimjim1983 het volgende:
wat vet
maar C&C draait in dos, heb t op die manier ook op mn macbook.

hoeveel kostte die eerste batches trouwens?

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Well I got my pre-release Pandora recently I am not a coder but for those who don't know the story, I designed the case, pad, buttons etc (basically all plastic stuff). So as a member of OP it is logical for me to have one to test things with. I didn't do pictures as others already have so it would just be repetition.

After seeing those close-up pictures of the flaws I was expecting the worst. I was suprised at how cool it looks in person though! Very slick! While it is not up to Apple and Sony perfection yet it is pretty damn nice. It is especially good considering it wasn't produced by a huge multi billion dollar mega corporation like Sony or Nintendo. It has this kind of badass industrial look to it. It is hard to explain but it doesn't look like a toy. The LEDs look awesome, kind of looks like a spaceship cockpit or something.

I think this thing is going to be HUGE when it hits the stores. I don't want to sound like a commercial but if you were on the fence I would try to get on the pre-order list soon (if you can, I don't know the status, that is not my area). I just have a feeling these will be in demand and be very hard to get until production is at full power.

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The feel of the unit is very professional and it looks good; the keyb will take a little getting used to (key placement, such as the spacebar in the bottom right, and the location of shift and so on), but it is a very solid keyb. The d-pad and buttons and nubs are great!

My hands are normal size I'd say -- coder hands; not construction worker thick hands, but not little kid hands either I'm actually really surprised the controls feel as good as they do -- I had always assumed that either one set would feel better than the other, or both be awkward.. assumed nubs woudl be too far in, and d-pad too far out or something. But the reality, both sets of controls feel natural. I guess they looked awkward in folks videos since they're holding cameras in their mouthsm, you know?

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Op maandag 11 februari 2010 11:11 schreef seventhseagulll het volgende:
Dat van die controls daar maakte ik me ook nog wel zorgen over, want ik zag het niet echt lekker werken. Toch nog maar even afwachten totdat onafhankelijke mensen hun mening erover geven.

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L/R are 'okay'; handhelds never have good shoulder buttons, so these are about as good as everyone elses, maybe better -- when holding the nubs and d-pad, your hand is a certain way, so curling your fingers onto the shoulders seems right. Its just the whole idea of shoudler buttons on a small device isn't right imho

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Op maandag 12 februari 2010 09:37 schreef seventhseagulll het volgende:
Kan je die appstore dan een beetje vergelijken met Synaptic of add/remove in ubuntu? Dat is wel heel handig namelijk.

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Op maandag 15 februari 2010 12:24 schreef jimjim1983 het volgende:
lijkt nu net op iets van fisher price

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We have been sorting the orders again, weirdly even now people still cancel, and a few orders are always never paid (we are cancelling every single one of these now).

So while you might get an email at the moment saying 'Please wait' or even no reply for a few days, if there is a Pandora available you will get an email, we just need to do the final 'sort'.

After that we will email out information on batch 2.

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The main thing to remember is you got the Pandora for less than cost price. We lose money on every one.

Batch2 will be more expensive.

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We don't have the final bill yet for the board population, but it will probably put the Pandora just a little over ($20-$30) the price charged.

Fingers crossed we can lower all that on batch 2, but due to high lead times some parts are actually now MORE expensive! FFFuuuu...

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Op woensdag 17 februari 2010 10:28 schreef Ixnay het volgende:

[..]

Ziet er uit alsof het met AutoCAD getekend is.

Maar de Pandora wordt een flop denk ik.

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Op woensdag 17 februari 2010 14:58 schreef Blinker het volgende:
Waar vind je een handheld met een KDE interface

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Op woensdag 17 februari 2010 14:28 schreef __Saviour__ het volgende:
pandora is natuurlijk nooit bedoeld als ware concurrent voor ds en psp bijvoorbeeld.
Het is gewoon een groot hobbyprojectje van een groep.

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Yeah i did. Haven't had much time to play with it and get it running properly (blame work). I don't have much to add beyond Notaz/DaveC/Zodttd/Skeezix, but my impressions so far are:

* The controls are fantastic, there's no handheld device i know of that rivals this. The Nubs are really nice, its the first thing everyone wants to touch.
* It has a very small footprint, makes the screen looks really large. It is quite thick compared to DS / PSP but i actually find it more comfortable (easier to grip).
* Everything is really solid. The plastic is very rigid and feels thick, i can see this thing being very durable.
* The Battery cover design is nifty, works really well.
* Even though this is just a prototype it has quite decent build quality, the only obvious flaw is the lid sits about 1mm lower on one side.
* The matte black suits it very well, there's too much glossy crap around nowdays.


I'll show some pictures of mupen64 running or something when i get a chance.

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GAMES:
Gianas Return
Abuse
Battle for Wesnoth
BlobWars
Descent 1
Descent 2
Doom
FHeroes Port (Heroes Of Might And Magic 2)
FreeCiv 2.1.9
Hexen II
OpenLiero
OpenTyrian
Pandora Panic!
Powermanga
Quake 1
Quake 2
Quake 3
Reminiscence (flashback)
SuperTux 1
SuperTux 2
Tecnoballz
The Mana World
Ur-Quan Masters
Wolf4SDL

(With the exception of PandoraPanic, everything in that list has been ported by Pickle & Cpasjuste. What an effort - and it's not the whole list.)


EMULATORS:
DosBox
Mupen64plus (big maybe)
PAtari
PicoDrive
PSMS
PSnes
PSX4all (medium sized maybe)
ScummVM
UAE4all
VICE

Pandora running Mupen64plus + Ocarina of Time / Sin and Punishment

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Well i gots me a prototype Pandora, I don't have much to add beyond what the others have said (and i've already mentioned most of these in another thread).... but here's my impressions:

* Everything feels really sturdy. There is little to no flex.
* It weighs a bit more than your average handheld, i like this.
* The battery cover design is nifty.
* The controls are really nice. Especially the nubs and dpad.
* The prototype can only overclock stable to ~800Mhz, maybe we shouldn't expect the 850 - 900 I got with the devboard.
* My one has a floppy hinge, i assume its one of the ones that's been stress tested. The hinge will stay in position as long as its >45 degrees from horizontal and you don't shake it too much.
* The footprint of this device is very small, makes the screen seem huge. Its quite thick though, but this makes it more ergonomic to hold.
* I'm not a huge fan of the glossy keyboard, it kind of sticks out from the matte everything else.
* I'm not much of a thumb typist, I've never owned a device this small with QWERTY, but i find the keyboard pretty good. Some key placings / key sizes will take awhile to get used to.
* The battery is very large. takes up about 1/3 of the space.
* The touchscreen is accurate using the stylus. I can easily manipulate the various OS screens without having to double press anything etc.
* Compared to say Sony or Nintendo it's not the prettiest device. It firmly puts function over form.

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craigix Posted 21 February 2010 - 04:59 PM
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mali, on 21 February 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:
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Dead1nside, on 21 February 2010 - 04:44 PM, said:
Okay so if we do any overclocking in software, without changing the voltages this will no matter what, even if it isn't the cause of any problems, void our warranty?
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Nobody will be able to tell if you overclocked it or not, thus it's a non-issue

_If_ it fails, you can either tell them you overclocked or you don't. It depends on you altruism coefficient. I got a replacement motherboard from Asus for my A600, because I didn't tell them.
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So you're a dishonest little shit too?

I want your order number. You are banned from having a Pandora from us.

That's right, your order is canceled.

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Op dinsdag 23 februari 2010 10:24 schreef Tain het volgende:
Hij zal best wel goed draaien op 800MHz, maar Texas Instruments heeft deze proc niet voor niets geclockt op 600MHz. De levensduur zal wel flink afnemen als je hem een tijdje op 800 laat draaien.

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To avoid significant device degradation for commercial temperature OMAP3530/OMAP3525 devices (0°C < Tj < 90°C), the device power-on hours (POH) must be limited to one of the following:
· 100K total POH when operating across all OPPs and keeping the time spent at OPP5 to less than 23K POH.
· 50K total POH when operating exclusively at OPP5.
· 44K total POH with no restrictions to the proportion of these POH at operating points OPP1 - OPP5.

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OPP5 is 1.35v. I believe devs have gotten around 750-800mhz at OPP3, with 900mhz needing OPP5

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Craigix: Chinese mould factory are back at work

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Op dinsdag 23 februari 2010 11:33 schreef Tain het volgende:

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Geeft TI eigenlijk garantie op die chip als je hem overclockt? De 720MHz chip van de 3530 is hetzelfde chipje alleen door TI getest dat deze naar behoren functioneert op 720MHz ipv 600

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Op donderdag 25 februari 2010 15:21 schreef makkie88 het volgende:
draait iemand al android er op?

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Op maandag 1 februari 2010 15:46 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
Ohja en android is geport (zegt mij niet zoveel maar alle google liefhebbers denken er anders over)

Pandora booting android

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Craig tweets:

Looks like everything will have arrived here by the 22nd. How exciting.

EvilDragon tweets:

Production, here we come! Just confirmed with Fatih, cases will arrive in UK March 22nd. We’ll have the assembly site ready by then! Go!

Craig elaborates:

(The 22nd) is when everything should be here, including the cases. To be on the safe side we probably won’t start until a few days after that.

I feel a lot more confident about this now we are back in control.

Our own assembly line, this will work far far better for batch 2 and so on. It should always have been like this.

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Keep it going.
Wednesday, 10 March 2010 11:05 EvilDragon
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Long time no blog post - and a lot has happened, really!

First, let's start with some OS development.
The OS is getting better and better. We will probably add another minimal menu, similar to gmenu2x with no fancy effects and graphics but PND-Support.
This is for all the purists of you.

Also, notaz and DJWillis are slowly stepping forward in getting WiFi working.
While it's not perfect, the packet loss is decreasing and things are getting better.
It might still be a long way (or it might be finished soon, you never know with such things), but it's improving.

I also successfully managed to setup a Bluetooth PAN connection to my mobile phone. I got an IP address via DHCP, I got DNS resolving and I could ping the phone.
Pinging websites outside of the phone didn't work yet, but that might be my mobile phone (custom cooked ROM, never tried Bluetooth PAN before).
As I did use the terminal to set that up (it only takes a few lines to do so), the next step is including this into the Network Manager.

Next let's go on to the Mass Production:
As most of you already know, we moved the assembly from US to UK - we'll do it ourselves!
This is because the company in US finally gave us a price for doing this - a ridiculous high price.
The boards will still be populated there, but we will assemble the units ourselves. Craig is currently setting up the village hall to turn into a proper place to do this, including buying everything needed (ESD stuff, etc.)

Our current roadmap is like this:
(note: It still depends on the case production and on the board production. This is based on the dates they did tell us - but as we already experienced a few times, we are a small client for them and therefore have low priority... let's hope they keep their dates this time!)

March 18th: Production of 1000 cases is finished and will be shipped to UK.
March 22nd: 1000 cases will arrive in UK and will be inspected. If all is well, the next 3000 will go into production.
March 22th - March 26th: 500 populated and tested boards and all parts will be shipped to UK.
Approx. April 1st: Assembly will start.

Yep, another promise broken - whereas the company in Texas told us they can test 1000 boards a week before, it's now down to 500 boards a week.
At least they kept their shipping dates for all the prototypes and testing boards so far, so March 22th - March 26th should hopefully be fine.

Some parts already started to arrive in UK, e.g. the PSUs are there.

We decided to start on April 1st to have a small bufferzone for the stuff to arrive.
It doesn't make much sense if we all sit around in the village hall without having any parts to build together

The complete assembly process will be broadcasted live via Webcam. That will be fun!

BTW:
The Pandora stirred up a lot of interest in Germany currently.
I've been at the CeBIT in Germany doing a presentation about the OpenSource gaming handhelds and of course the Pandora.
It was crowded.
Thanks to Radio Tux, you can listen to the presentation.
You can also download the PDF I used for it here.

They also did another interview here.

And if anybody wants to watch it, we've got the full thing available as video on Youtube here.

Beware, it's all in German!

After the presentation, a lot of guys (some from the community as well) could get their hands on the Pandora and play with it.
They all loved how well the controls and the keyboard work. Looks like our design is working well

That's it for today - hopefully we have good news within the next two weeks!

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Op zaterdag 13 maart 2010 11:15 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:
Komt 'ie ook in blauw?

DboxFE and Warcraft 1

Windows 3.11 and Exaile Music Player

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Craigix: Got another delivery today, will take photos tomorrow. More boxes.

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Op vrijdag 19 maart 2010 14:53 schreef __Saviour__ het volgende:
Leuke duidelijke vooruitgang nu
Hoe zit het eigenlijk met de stroomadapters?
Krijgen we er gewoon eentje die hier werkt of zal er nog iets van een verloopstekker nodig zijn?

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Op donderdag 25 maart 2010 09:35 schreef picodealion het volgende:
Damn, 70% van de posts hier is van jou Bosbeetle

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Pheewww... so much things have happened. So many stuff to tell you... and that's what I wanted to do tonight.

However, I just came home from a 13-hour workday after having 3 hours of sleep and having another 17-hour workday before...
I'm too tired to do anything except for closing my eyes and rest a while... I hope you do understand.

I will use the weekend to recover and try to get you all informed latest at the beginning of next week.

Really sorry about that... had so much work to do. Didn't even find a few minutes to use twitter, update the buglist or status page here on the website...

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An official blog post should be incoming, but in the meantime a few status updates have made their way to the forums.

Okay, got some news. Cases are fine so far, they managed to make it look much better than what we saw last Thursday (they got a new machine and asked if we could give them two more days to test if that does a better quality… Fatih agreed and they did a new test today and according to them, it does a MUCH better quality). Can’t wait for the pictures.

Shipping and production will happen this week, so yeah, we lost a few days for assembly, but got much better cases.

(EvilDragon)


File that one under yay. Next on the menu is the unfolding saga of the wifi. The guys are not at all happy with where it’s at, and are considering shipping with a free USB wifi adapter similar to this until the issue is fixed.

About the WiFi… well, we’re currently discussing things and will do the blog post (finally!) when we decided everything (hopefully tonight).

We’ll probably let you decide if you want your Pandora NOW (and we might even throw in a free mini-WiFi-Stick so you can use WiFi with your Pandora!) or wait until everything is sorted out. And when I mean YOU, I’m not talking about a public discussion – every single customer can decide if he wants it now with stick or wait until internal WiFi is sorted out.

Yep, we don’t want to keep you waiting anymore.

(EvilDragon)

One thing I can promise: If it REALLY turns out to be a hardware fault, you can be sure we’ll either fix it for you or exchange your board for free as soon as we can afford it (maybe after the second batch, when we got some money back).
So either way, you won’t be screwed. (I remember I had to fix over 200 gp2x First Editions as they had a flickering LCD…)

We just wanted to make an offer that you can use WiFi right from the start, that’s why we want to offer you a small WiFi dongle and your Pandora NOW.

(EvilDragon)

Remember that an official blog post is still on the way, so this may not be the final word. Odds are though that you’ve already decided which team you’re on, “wait for wifi” or “ship now”.

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View Posttorpor, on 30 March 2010 - 02:23 PM, said:
Send me the two Pandora's I've ordered, and I will dedicate 40 hours working on this WLAN issue for free. EDIT: Just FYI, I am employed at THALES corporation as an embedded systems/firmware engineer, and I write drivers just like this for a living. If there is a driver issue, I will fix it. If its hardware, I will use all my resources (faraday cage, logic analyzer, WLAN radio receivers, etc.) to determine just what the hardware is doing and why its causing problems.

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Op woensdag 31 maart 2010 11:16 schreef Maanvis het volgende:
Wat gaat dat geval eigenlijk kosten?

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Enne, waarom geen draagbare C64 incl. SID chip?

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First impression: it’s bigger than I expected, thicker especially. At first I was worried about it, but after handling it for a few minutes, it actually felt a lot more comfortable. My DS now feels too small in comparison. The extra size makes it seem to fill your hands, like a large sammich. I don’t really know how to explain it. I put my fingers around it and they fit. With my PSP and DS, I have to curl my hand slightly to get the same kind of grip.

The keys are shiny, bubbly, when you squish them they go straight down, no wiggle. I was constantly looking at the keys to remember where certain keys were (such as the /, ~, and -), but I imagine this will change with usage. Regular typing was pretty easy and only took a little bit to get used to. The location of the space bar is about the only thing I imagine anyone will have any problem with. On a fullsized keyboard I’ll hit it with whichever thumb is convenient, but here it has to be the right thumb. More than once I found myself trying to press the B key with my left thumb. Practice!

The nubs! Oh my! Tactile and responsive. You can see in a video later Quake 3 being played with the nubs and I didn’t completely suck, just mostly. The nubs moved smoothly, and snapped back when released. I think “frictionless” is the right word, or as close as possible. They just moved when pushed, didn’t resist at all. I liked it!

I didn’t get as much play with the D-pad as I could have. It felt good. Played Giana’s return a bit, it worked smoothly, didn’t scrape or poke my fingers. I can believe this would be good for extended play.

The sound was also a lot quieter than I had expected. I knew it wouldn’t be able to fill a room or anything, but I expected to be able to hear a little better than I did. That pub wasn’t exactly loud, and it was hard to hear sometimes. What I could hear was nice and clear though, including video and MP3 playback. Not a real problem, that’s what headphones and the line out on the EXT port is for, just don’t expect you and a couple friends to be able to sit around and watch something without some kind of external speaker. [Note: ED suggests that this may be because the audio level was set low in software - Gruso]

This was the first time I’d run jzintv and Dink Smallwood on an actual Pandora and it made me very, very happy. They just worked. It was beautiful! That should demonstrate how easy it is to code for the Pandora if you’re coming from a PC background. They’re both simple SDL apps and they just worked. A little bit of keyboard mapping and they’ll be perfect.

Yes, there is an outline on the lid of the case, that square that has been pointed out, but under a flat light it disappeared. I could only see it when looking at an angle. It might also be visible under brighter light, but it is faint enough that I can see the finish making it disappear. That’s my hope anyway. If it doesn’t, it’s not that bad. Not perfect, but still very good.

I also went looking for other anomalies. The plastic, in general, was not perfect. There were spots where it was slightly more dull than others, but again, only under the right light. These should disappear with the finish (knock on wood). The “dent” on the right side of the keyboard we’ve seen in other pictures wasn’t there, and I didn’t see any sign of shrinkage around the side. I ran my finger along the seam all the way around the edge and it was smooth. Under the battery, however, was some very noticeable distortion. It almost looked like it was stressed and ready to crack. You may be able to see it in the video, we’ll see if I got it. This is a prototype, I’ve got faith that the stress has already been taken care of. I hope.

I didn’t see any ghosting, even when I was told I should be seeing ghosting. I do see ghosting on my PSP1000, so any ghosting on the Pandora is not as bad as on the PSP1000. I’m sure there is some there, but how many people it will actually affect has yet to be determined.

Both XFCE and Jeff’s minimal menu felt very familiar and intuitive. The touch screen needs a bit of fuzzy logic for the double tap. I was only able to actually double tap an icon a few times, all the other times I gave up and just hit enter. The problem seems to be that it only counts a double tap if you’re tapping the exact same pixel twice in a row. Really, it should have a reasonable dropoff, say 10 pixels on any side. The fact that I got it a couple of times proves it works, it just needs to be less sensitive.

I started Abiword, it came up fast. Happy happy, type away, “Hellollo” in big, bold, underlined, italic letters. This will serve all your rapid note taking needs, once you get used to the keyboard.

Obviously we didn’t test the wifi, but Tempel did accidentally start Midori. It loaded pretty quickly, 3 tabs open, one of which was the list of recently used tabs in windows thing. He scrolled it up and down, it was smooth. Here’s hoping the wifi gets solved.

We stress tested the hinge, giving it a hard twist. It squeaked, as old plastic tends to do, but it didn’t seem like it was going to give. My DS, in contrast, I just gave a twist and I’m fairly confident I could rip the screen off if I wanted to.

I don’t know what else I can say. Is it worth the wait? I think it is. It does everything I wanted it for (excepting wifi) back in May 2008, and there is no one device that matches it.

Is it worth the hype? That’s a tricky one, but only because the last year has seen more and more hype built on it. When everyone finally does get theirs, there will be a huge fanfare, followed by a collective “now what?”. I just hope the response will be big enough to generate enough momentum to carry them through a few more batches.

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Thanks skeezix for inviting us out! And thanks WizardStan for paying attention to all these details; I didn’t have nearly enough forethought to check out so much of the hardware. And congratulations to both of you on not getting fired!

I’m not really sure what to add, except that it met all my expectations. In my mind, I keep comparing it to that Touch Book that skeezix apparently covets; it’s also an OMAP3530-based device, made by a small startup company, but the difference is that the TB was rushed out after just a year of development, and it shows (the TB does what I need it to quite well, but I have a litany of complaints that you’re all about to read). The casing on the TB seems loose and cheap, but the casing on skeezix’s Pandora is solid. Do you all remember when some prototype cases came in and MWeston described them as “an insult”? Yeah, skeezix’s prototype has one of those cases, and it was still great (oh, except the hinge was kinda loose, but I think this was one of the Craig-abused versions).

The touchscreen on the Pandora was accurate enough to use with a finger, which is no small feat given that my TB’s touchscreen, so much larger than the Pandora’s, can be inaccurate enough to make fingers useless. The software all seems well thought-out, even down to details like the menu button ignoring rapid mashing so impatient users don’t find themselves with half a dozen windows suddenly spawning (I can definitely not say the same about the software on the TB). Even the stylus felt nicer than the one that came with my TB! So everyone upset with delays: the TB is what the Pandora would have looked like if it had been rushed out. Be happy that you’re getting something far better.

So yeah, I have nothing but nice things to say about it so far (oh wait, one exception: the pixel-perfect double-tap was indeed tough, but skeezix and the rest of the devs are aware, so don’t be surprised if the issue disappears soon. Alternatively, just switch to single-tap activation). Again, I wasn’t the most attentive person there, so I imagine I could find something to gripe about eventually, but I haven’t seen it yet.

For posterity, I can second much of what WizardStan said. Nubs were great for playing Q3; I managed to suck only as much as I do with any dual-stick FPS. Keyboard worked far better than any of the handheld qwertys I’ve tried before (though, like WizardStan said, hunting for special characters was a challenge that I’m sure will be corrected with practice). That outline on the case lid is not at all as prominent as some of the photos would make you believe (in photos, it almost looks like a section of the case is raised, but it’s actually perfectly flush; I expect the line will disappear entirely after proper finishing). However, I disagree with him on two points: I was very impressed with the sound – I think you could gather people around a video playing on the Pandora (though I think my expectations were low as I’m going to be using headphones regardless); and I was actually surprised at how small it was (ED’s high-res videos have spoiled me).

Exciting times, everyone! Now calm your beating hearts and continue to wait patiently; you’ll be happy with the result.

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Op donderdag 1 april 2010 13:47 schreef Maanvis het volgende:

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De iPhone is toch een telefoon niet waar? Daar kun je mee bellen, met dit ding toch niet !?
Vergelijk het dan met de PSP ($90) of de DS ($100) en je ziet waarom dit ding nooit een succes kan worden.

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Op donderdag 1 april 2010 18:31 schreef Maanvis het volgende:

Moet ik dan zoveel extra betalen voor een kleiner profiel en wat extra gameknopjes?

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Op donderdag 1 april 2010 21:10 schreef Maanvis het volgende:

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$125 verschil voor een batterij en wat knopjes dus .

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The Pandora team has found the problem with the internal Wi-fi module. Turns out a resistor had an incorrect value.

It was a resistor.

CraigIX

Good news: The modification is minimal and can be done within a few minutes. We told the company to send the boards already produced and tested to UK ASAP and Michael will go there and start modding.
Then we need the cases – and assembly will finally start.

(Evildragon)

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Craigix: Looks like the Pandora parts will be arriving next week for sure.

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Here we go with the latest updates for the hungry masses!
First, my apologies for not updating the site a lot. That WiFi issue really did wear me out, I wasn't able to do much during that time. We all were a bit demotivated, but now that WiFi's working, we've recovered and are working fullspeed ahead!
Sorry for that, but after all, we're only human beings, too... and after years of constant work on the Pandora and our normal jobs... well, things can get a bit hard.



1. The hardware

Michael has finished working on WiFi and did manage to get it working quite well. Stable websurfing at about 500 KB/s. He tried webbrowsing, streaming music, etc.
This put our minds on ease, we really were quite scared when we found out about WiFi.
We now got FULLY WORKING HARDWARE, as we got drivers for EVERY component!

As can be seen on this picture, there's a lot of boxes shipping to UK. Some might go to Turkey, as Fatih got hold of a company who usually does laptop repairs, and they might help to fix the WiFi on the already produced 700 boards to speed things up a bit.

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This whole WiFi issue did throw as back a few weeks - but I hope you all do agree it's better we took the two weeks finding out what the problem was. Otherwise, you would've been gotten Pandoras with broken WiFi... not a good idea, if you ask me.
This seemed to happen for a big, well-known company whose latest product has serious WiFi issues (and WiFi working much worse than ours...)
We rather ship you something working - even if it did delay things by two or three more weeks!


2. The cases

While Michael was working on WiFi, the Chinese were working on increasing the case quality.
And we really do think it was worth the extra time - especially the final one that has some paint added looks spot-on!
Way better than anything we've seen before!

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Just compare that to an older version of the case...

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Was it worth it? That's up to decide for yourself. We sure do think so.

Unfortunately, adding paint did lead to one thing that has to be done: As it makes the case a bit thicker, Michael needs to approve that case and therefore is waiting for a sample.
To speed production up, Fatih will visit the company in China if necessary to make sure they won't mess around more but start shipping!
They still have a few days to ship, as applying the WiFi fix to the boards will take a while.

One thing that might interest you: You might have seen that they also painted a pink version of the Pandora... Michael will most probably put a Rev 4 board in and sell it on eBay soon!
Yep, that Prototype will probably be out shortly before we assemble and ship!

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So if you want to own this case, keep your eyes on our blog!

Oh, some might think Painting is cheating... well, not really.
A lot of companies actually do it that way - and it doesn't wear off. Remember the old Nintendo DS? Not the DS Lite, but the old silvergrey one? I got one. Never had a carry case, it's really scratched (even the LCD is scratched).
But only on one corner it can be seen it's painted - and only because the base plastic color was white.
So black with black won't wear off - don't worry. It will simply LOOK better.


3. The software

I'm currently doing a lot of neat scripts while DJWillis prepare the image for the NAND.
Today I did create an LCD Gamma Manager - a small tool where you can create, load and save various LCD Gamma settings. I also created one that looks like an old CRT TV. Really cool - emulation on a handheld has never looked better!
To check out what's happening on the OS, simply go to http://git.openpandora.org

As Midori was a bit unstable and FireFox eating up RAM, we changed browsers once again. Arora is now included in the OS. Fast, without any rendering issues and it didn't crash yet for me.
The OS is getting more and more complete.


That's it for now - as soon as I know any more information (shipping dates for the cases, dates when we all meet in England, etc.), I'll inform you!
And sorry to my German readers: I'll translate the post tomorrow, it's 5:50 am now, I want to go to bed...

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Geez, I'm sick of these blog posts with suggestions as fact. Nothing is going to Turkey. Fatih suggested it. ED promoted it. Craig shot it down. End of story. Thousands of dollars have been spent setting up the hall in England and more shipping means more delays, more cost and possibly more taxes. It was a nice idea to spare my sanity having to solder 800 boards (don't forget all those rev4s still ready for devs and the Press) but that is just how it has to be. I'll do what I have to do to get it done faster and that is the reality of my life for the past two years. After reading ED's blog post it doesn't look like he actually said anything other than suggesting things but it's not a fault of the forum to read something and not at least consider it to be the plan. It's not.

The parts from Texas are in the air already and they are going to England. The cases will be shipped on Saturday April 17th (unpainted) or on Tuesday April 20th (painted). Silk screening would mean shipping them on Friday April 23rd and we saw more samples that were a bit better but still not great. Why is that so hard to do? Why haven't they made thousands yet? It baffles me too but from what I hear, they know we are unhappy and keep trying to impress us to no end...and it isn't happening although I have to say seeing the painted cases was the first time I started to feel like this could actually work. I'm pretty picky and perhaps more so than many forumers but I just want a professional product. We'll see what we get in the end. We actually never asked them to keep trying things like they have done. They've just sort of forced that on us by never having anything ready to ship. I'm not sure ED really understood that from Fatih and saying we told them to keep taking their time making it perfect is so not true. It was more like "well, um, if you think that is best...I guess we have a wifi issue we could work on while these delays happen".

The current problem with the painting idea is that they need to take a PCB I sent them and put a painted unit together to be sure that tolerances still exist. Unlike those pictures you have seen of the black and pink one, doing thousands will be done in a professional and dust free environment should we chose to do that. A few extra days while we prepare other stuff like opening up boxes and soldering resistors? Hmmn, it might actually be worth it.

I asked Fatih to ask them about the durability of the paint. Yes, I go through Fatih again because going direct seems to go no where these days. They answer to the one making the purchase orders. He said they tried applying stickers and scratching the paint with a knife and were happy with the test results. I mentioned that we were more interested in more general rubbing and finger grease/salts. I also asked him to find out exactly what kind of paint they will use so we can research its durability. If this all gets done before Friday, no time will be lost since I guess they are still building final cases themselves this week. Can I get a collective: WTF? I hear ya.

So the deal is still that I fly to England as soon as I know those cases have taken off. I will make sure the hall is prepared as I want it and maybe double check the wiring to be sure stations are properly grounded. Craig and I will go through the boxes from Texas and be sure it is all there and okay. I'm also going to ship lots of stuff from my own office here so that I am certain I have the tools I've used all along. I'll do the resistor mod while the cases are in the air and when they get there, we'll throw hundreds together immediately following that. As long as the case company can finally get it together this time, we can still start shipping these out to customers at the end of the month. That's the real plan.

Oh, I should also add that production of the remaining boards from the 4000 has been resumed. Once the wifi fix had been verified to make wireless transactions work and reliably so (maybe not at break neck speeds but I still think there is some software work to do as download rates are totally variable based on CPU speed), I emailed them to continue on with the part change as part of the remaining build process.


Michael

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Wow! A lot of new informations I didn't know yet!
I did ask for recent stuff happening via mail, but it looks the replies didn't make it in time when I did the post, so all I knew was what we were evaluating.

Thanks for clearing up Michael and sorry to anyone who was scared or pissed off by my blog post.
I should stop posting and do more scripting for the time being...

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Behold, a painted and assembled Pandora. Click to zoom and enhance, and be warned, they’re large. As outlined in Tuesday’s festival of edits, the only verification needed on these painted cases was that they would fit together nicely. The factory has had a set of Pandora internals on hand for some time, so were able to throw this together and confirm that none of the finely tuned case tolerances are upset by the lick of paint. (They’ve also sent MWeston a painted review case, but only because it was easier for him to to say yes than no. He doesn’t need to wait for it.)

Now all that needs to be decided is whether 1,000 cases ship out of China on April 17 unpainted, or April 20 painted (dates provided by case factory, grain of salt and all that). In the meantime, a literal ton of boards, LCDs, nubs and other ephemera will be dumped on Craig’s doorstep any day now. They’ll need several days to unpack it all and prepare the assembly hall for action, days which may be well spent getting those cases painted. With the 17th only two sleeps away, we should expect a decision to be announced very soon.

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[Update] EvilDragon tweets:

50% of the case parts of the Pandora are produced already. So of some parts already exists 1000 pcs and the rest is in production. Woot!

Clarification on that second sentence: There are already 1,000 pieces of some case parts produced.

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Op maandag 19 april 2010 00:02 schreef SinofEnvy het volgende:


En nee, ik verwacht niet dat het ding een volledig OS draait,

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Okay, now for some real news:

As you probably already found out, there was a volcanic eruption in Iceland which caused chaos to the european air traffic. No flights are currently going to and from UK. As the boards in Dallas were already picked up last week, we hoped that they were already in UK, maybe sitting at the customs, when that all happened.
Well, unfortunately, that was not the case. They didn't go on a direct flight from Dallas to UK, but were routed via some other airport in USA. And that's where they are still waiting for the moment. I guess 1t shipments do not go the same routes a small packages

UPS is currently rerouting their shipments, we don't have an update yet when the boards will arrive, but I'm sure UPS is working as fast as possible to get it all sorted out. The production of the remaining boards is still going on, of course.

Next, onto the cases:

Since the volcanic eruption gave us some more time, we decided to tweak the cases some mor.... naaaah! Just kidding!

The first 1000 cases have been fully produced and will be painted black!

I'll let you know as soon a we get more information from UPS on when the shipping will continue. As long as the cases aren't finished painting, we won't have lost any time due to the volcano. Let's just hope it REALLY decides to stop spitting ash into the air and the delivery services will catch up with the lost days soon!

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Op dinsdag 20 april 2010 02:30 schreef Clownbaby het volgende:
Wat een lelijk chinees namaak uiterlijk heeft dit apparaatje, de specificaties zijn ook niet bepaald bijzonder te noemen, wat een tijdverspilling. Erg gênant dit voor de TS.

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cragix twitter:

I'm in a state of absolute rage. UPS left all the Pandora boards outside at a neighboring business - anyone could have walked off with them.

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Here is what happened this morning:

I get up early, watch Educating Rita, have a bath, do some work, go to leave and see a UPS note in the porch. I assume they called while I was in the bath.

The note just has the name of a local garden centre on it (a place which sells plants).

I assume that they have thought I was the garden centre and messed up. I decided to drive up to the garden centre and give them the UPS note.

But then on the outside of the door is another UPS note with my name on it.

At this point I was confused. I'm not expecting anything today... well apart from the Pandora stuff... but that's not until next week.

So what does this all mean? One with my name, one with the name of a local business?

Anyway by time time it's 2pm and I know the garden place has lazy friday afternoons.

Suddenly a horrible thought comes to me... I'm not in... garden centre up the road... they would not have done that would they? But if they have it will be safe, right?

So I take my two notes and drive up there.

WOW.

Place is deserted - friday afternoon after all.

Just as I'm about to turn the car around... what do I see in the parking spaces? A pile of boxes.

Yes - outside.

No one around.

At this point I'm shaking with rage. I park. I walk over. Yes. They are our boards. Outside. Where the public can just walk up.

There is no one else around.

I wander about looking for some staff, finally I go over and open a door and there is an old guy there.

He says he guesses they are mine. I tell him how much those boards are worth. He looks amazed. He tells me I'd better phone UPS.

I agree.

I take the boards and drive home.

Now I'm chasing up the REST of that delivery....

PS I just realised the old guy had no way of knowing who I was - I could have been anyone.

PPS no - it didn't rain today, although it looks like it might now.

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I've chased and chased those cases but the courier said the factory were unable to give weights or number of boxes last week.

Chasing that up with the factory just resulted in the usual apologies and more promises to sort it out.

Anyway, eventually Fatih spoke to someone higher up and they promised to get them all packaged and weighed correctly so the courier can collect them.

This just seems to be the 'way' with these Chinese companies, I've never had a good experience with one, it seems you have to go through this baptism of fire with them all. I just wish we could have found a company in the UK which we could afford to use. But alas it had to be China with our budget.

You have to understand they just lie and lie and lie to us. It may well be that the person telling the lies really believes them to be true because it is what he is told. Who knows. It's all smoke and mirrors constantly. This is just how they seem to do business.

Anyway the good news is that all the final case samples have been absolutely superb.

I'm also very glad these cases were the only thing done in China. The rumour that the PCBs were made in China isn't entirely true, the (American) PCB company had them made for us, and used a facility in Asia (which they may well own) for some of the work. We know no more about it than that. They were certainly populated and tested in Texas.

The decline of manufacturing in the west is all due to this smoke and mirrors Chinese crap. I bet most companies go though it, save very little money, but stick with it because they invested so much. It's one big long con by China.

If I can I'll move that case production to the west at the earliest possible opportunity because I'm not falling for it.

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Op zondag 2 mei 2010 23:40 schreef Maanvis het volgende:
lol ja gek he als je voor een chinees dubbeltje op de 1e rang wilt zitten.

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Op maandag 3 mei 2010 08:21 schreef Fe2O3 het volgende:

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Die 'mallen' zijn tools van enkele duizende dollars in waarde, maar ook een paar duizend kilo zwaar ook. Ze mogen in ieder geval niet zomaar China uit (wetgeving) dus dat gaat niet zo 1 2 3. Hooguit een nieuwe leverancier in China.

Het is voor ons meestal zelfs goedkoper om tools te scrappen voor oud ijzer en nieuwe te maken op een andere locatie dan het gezeul en gesleep tussen een leverancier A en B. Om over het papierwerk en partijen die eigenlijk helemaal niet met elkaar willen praten toch dit soort dingen te laten regelen maar te zwijgen

Power Consumption

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Here’s a video showing my ammeter in series with the Pandora battery. I wanted to double check the fuel gauge calibration because with lite settings, 15 hours is being presented. I thought that was crazy, but it’s true. With an average current of 278mA and a battery testing at 4200mAh, that really is 15 hours (under specific settings talked about below of course).


Testing was done at 500MHz and the screen brightness set just about as low as it will go before shutting off. Increasing the screen brightness to 100% upped the average current to 398mA which is only 10.5 hours of continuous use.

In the second half, I upped the clock to 750MHz using the little menu option but I’m not certain if it actually did anything. Some stuff seems to work better for other people than me but this little program is one that seems to bug out on me.

This video also shows the power consumption with wifi running. You can see the power go way up when web pages are loaded or when new cover art is loaded in Mplayer. If you load pages and then spend a long time reading them before loading the next one, perhaps 10 hours is still possible. At the max I saw of approx. 600mA, that would be 7 hours and you’d have to be hammering wireless hard to maintain that as you can see. Notaz did a fantastic job of getting the power management for wifi working and it will really help battery life for normal use. I guess it’s like any other device you would buy now, but for the developers it’s such a thrill to see it working

mweston

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So dos some Boards arrive in the Gardencenter until the Cases arive??

And dos UPS knows where to took the next boards??


Yes, the driver allegedly lost his job for what he did (although I highly suspect he was temp staff).

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The 4000 batteries have been released by customs. I'm expecting them to get here on monday.

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Evildragon wrote:

Look! There! It's a plane!

*ducks and hides*

Naah. 12 Cartons with 207kgs alltogether are ready. The flight they will take (they need to be transported to the airport first) will be on Monday.
Yay! Hopefully no lie (though they never told us any number of packages with weight before, so I doubt it), but we'll know for sure as soon as we really get the tracking number from UPS (which, as said, did take a few days in China last time).

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The OS and some software

The OS is also coming along. We installed an image to the NAND a week ago - it runs well and rock solid so far.
I tried quite a few things to break it - hard reset while it was running quite a few times, etc.
The OS survived. The only thing I managed to do was making the bootup hang when I did four Hard Resets while booting in a row - guess a hardware driver hang. Was solved by powering off and reboot again - and still the filesystem was fine and intact.

Looking good here. Bootup is still a bit slow (55 Seconds at the moment), but that's something we surely try to improve in the near future. As a test, I simply removed some services that won't be needed AFAIK and got a booting time of 33 seconds. It won't make it in the first release (as we don't have time to test if my removed scripts REALLY don't break anything!), but it's a nice view of what can be done. Switching to Upstart (a tool which enhances bootup by running scripts parallel instead of serial) will also make a difference. Stay tuned for OS updates!

Power Management has become better. The WiFi driver now supports power management - so with the standard OS settings, 7 hours with WiFi are possible. Without WiFi, it goes up to 13 hours at the moment.

For a basic OS, this is all pretty advanced already. There will surely be some settings that can be enhanced (i.e. Browser layout, MIME types, etc.), but we'll wait for suggestions from you guys and will include the best settings in future firmware versions.

Also, in case you want to meddle around and break the OS (you should only do so on the SD Card, but some probably still mess around with the NAND I guess )
I will create a recovery bootsystem which allows you to restore the config files on your system or backup your home-directory.
Aditionally, notaz created a flasher (it's the same one we use to install the OS for the first time). With that, you can copy some files on your SD Card and restore the image completely (don't do this too often though, it will wear out the NAND over time )

Various devs (me too, though I don't think you can call me dev) are packaging up games, apps and emulators that are ported so far.
We have Stella, Hatari, UAE4ALL, DOSBox, Vice, Colem, Exaile, Free Heroes 2, Commander Genius, Angry Drunken Dwarfs, BattleJewels, Battle for Wesnoth, Super Mario War, C-Dogs, Pandora Panic!, Quake 2, etc. and more coming up...

Some stuff needs more work (notaz wants to improve PicoDrive more before Pandora release, UAE4ALL is just a direct port of the GP2X Version, runs fullspeed Amiga 500 games, but is not as compatible, PSX and N64 also need more work), but I guess that stuff will keep you busy for a while.

MAJOR thanks again to ALL the devs who have helped us with the OS - despite them having few time... THANKS!

I also suspect there are some devs among the preorderers who also like to port some games (or code their own ones).

I can't await to see what's coming from you guys - I'm sure it will be worth all the trouble we went through.

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Op zondag 9 mei 2010 21:38 schreef Maanvis het volgende:
eindelijk een bericht zonder dat er iets fout gaat.. het begon al op een vlemmixje te lijken

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Op zondag 9 mei 2010 21:52 schreef Nick-GizMo het volgende:
Bosbeetle heeft er nog flink vertrouwen in

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EvilDragon tells us that the shipment from China has taken to the skies, and is due to arrive at its UK destination on Wednesday. This shipment should include 1,000 deliciously painted cases, including all buttons, styli and other moulded parts, along with at least 1,000 keymats. Enough other parts (boards, LCDs etc) are reportedly waiting in the UK to build 1,500 complete Pandoras, so when the cases arrive they should have the first 1,000 built before breakfast. Or not. Now we just need to convince MWeston to fly cargo class, so we can get a tracking number. Come on Mike, be a sport.

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Craigix: Finally, the cases should arrive in Newcastle tomorrow!

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I'm hoping they will be though customs and delivered by friday so I can do some photos and video of everything here.

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Yep, this is it, building will start next week, probably on Wednesday.

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Off to pickup the Pandora shipment from the airport this afternoon!

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Op donderdag 13 mei 2010 09:45 schreef The_Tankgirl het volgende:
Woeeeensdaaag!!! Ik zit bijna zeker in de eerste 1000, ik hoop dat hij voor mijn verjaardag komt (31 mei) maar denk het niet
Ik hoop dat de kwaliteit van de cases goed genoeg is, het is niet de eerste keer dat ze nog willen tweaken op het laatste moment.
Leuk om te zien dat er meer Nederlanders ermee bezig zijn :-) Goed gedaan Bosbeetle!
Two More Months (c)

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Op donderdag 13 mei 2010 20:59 schreef The_Tankgirl het volgende:
Heb jij het gewoon gevraagd hoeveelste je was of kun je dit uitrekenen? Ik heb de mijne op dag 1 besteld :-)
He? Later versturen??? Whyyyyy??!!
Heb jij ook last van vrienden/kennissen/familie die denken dat je bent opgelicht omdat je al zolang wacht?? haha

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20:13 I now have the cases.
0:16 I'm happy with the cases and all the parts are here. Now it's going to take a weekend to just organise all this kit.
0:47 I built a MP Pandora and all went well. This should be an interesting week to come
0:58 Michael arrives here on Wednesday morning, which means a 4:30am start for me! Arrghh!
1:06 I know you want photos but I want, well, sleep. I'm planning video tomorrow. Let's drink to the good times, red wine, going to my head...

En eentje van de middag ervoor

14:02 Last night, after a long day, I was in bed reading, I realised I should get some sleep when I clicked the top of the page to change the URL.

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Op vrijdag 14 mei 2010 14:29 schreef The_Tankgirl het volgende:
Bosbeetle, waar heb je dat verhaal gelezen over ED en het verzenden van de Pandora's? Ik heb ook bij zijn winkel een Pandora besteld.. Waarom zou hij ze later versturen?

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Op zaterdag 15 mei 2010 13:16 schreef The_Tankgirl het volgende:
JEEJ! Nou maar hopen dat ze direct naar Nederlandse klanten versturen als ze klaar zijn, maar denk het nieee :-(

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For all the people asking about the cases - they are superb. It was worth rejecting all the previous ones. We now have absolute top quality.

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Volcano ash cloud needs to clear by Wednesday or Pandora people are going to be delayed, will still do everything we can...

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£250 of food and drink and that didn't include the fresh stuff. The preparations continue.

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Op maandag 17 mei 2010 14:57 schreef The_Tankgirl het volgende:
Ja, maar ook al kunnen de vliegtuigen richting Engeland vanaf Woensdag vliegen; wie zegt dat Mweston ook die dag gelijk mee kan?

Beter begint Craig gelijk al met in elkaar zetten

Waarom zouden ze eigenlijk op hem moeten wachten? Of zijn er meerdere Pandora mensen die vast zitten?
Ik zal wel weer iets over het hoofd hebben gezien

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Op maandag 17 mei 2010 15:37 schreef Gehenna het volgende:

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dat is een weerstand

maar wel mooi om te horen dat het heel dichtbij komt nu

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Op dinsdag 18 mei 2010 09:26 schreef The_Tankgirl het volgende:
Als het goed is zou MWeston binnen 24 uur moeten landen
Dat is wat ik heb begrepen van Pandorapress maar ik heb helaas verder geen bron.