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Ik kwam dit tegen op het net na een onderzoek hoe de VS werkelijk in elkaar steekt.

De VS is een bedrijf, geen land, en is in bezit van Groot Brittannie. Groot Brittannie is op haar beurt weer eigendom van het Vaticaan. De paus is koning van deze aarde. Ik heb nu geen tijd om dit te onderbouwen, maar lees deze punten eens door, en link het met de rest van wat er allemaal al langs is gekomen over de NWO.

Enkele typishe punten bold gemaakt.

How The World Really Is: UN, IMF, Vatican, et.al.

by ANONYMOUS

[Ednote: we have not researched this email and do not know if this is true. It is simply food for thought and could possibly apply in the future]

1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

3. The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg.113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)

5. The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy its finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914

6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

7. Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2) Read the cites above)

8. There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

9. There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178)

10. According to the GATT you must have a Social Security number. House Report (103-826)

11. We have One World Government, One World Law and a One World Monetary System. *

12. The UN is a One World Super Government. *


13. No one on this planet has ever been free. This planet is a Slave Colony. There has always been a One World Government. It is just that now it is much better organized and has changed its name as of 1945 to the United Nations. *

14. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World" and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

15. Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619, Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)

16. Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)

17. You own no property, slaves can't own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

18. The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

19. The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24)

20. The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

21. You can not use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

22. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

23. Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

24. The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)


25. A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)

26. The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

27. The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

28. The Pope's laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)

29. We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children. (Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

30. Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of the Presidents Vo 1, pg 99. Websters 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)

31. "The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

32. The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)

33. It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.

34. Everything in the "United States" is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports etc. I wonder who bought Klamath lake. Did anyone take the time to check? (Executive Order 12803)

35. We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)

36. The UN has financed the operations of the United States government for over 50 years and now owns every man, women and child in America. The UN also holds all of the Land in America in Fee Simple. *

37. The good news is we don't have to fulfill "our" fictitious obligations. You can discharge a fictitious obligation with another's fictitious obligation. *

38. The depression and World War II were a total farce. The United States and various other companies were making loans to others all over the World during the Depression. The building of Germanys infrastructure in the 1930's including the Railroads was financed by the United States. That way those who call themselves "Kings," "Prime Ministers," and "Fuhrer,"etc could sit back and play a game of chess using real people. Think of all of the Americans, Germans etc. who gave their lives thinking they were defending their Countries which didn't even exist. The millions of innocent people who died for nothing. Isn't it obvious why Switzerland is never involved in these fiascoes? That is where the "Bank of International Settlements" is located. Wars are manufactured to keep your eye off the ball. You have to have an enemy to keep the illusion of "Government" in place. *

39. The "United States" did not declare Independence from Great Britain or King George. *

40. Guess who owns the UN?

Ideaal BNW materiaal leek mij zo, ik daag iedereen uit om dit na te checken

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Ali_Kannibali op 10-08-2009 02:06:51 ]
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Het feit dat de Engelse identiteit zo'n beetje bepaald wordt door hun (met veel, héél veel bloedvergieten) definitieve afstand nemen van de Paus, is hierbij natuurlijk te verwaarlozen
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 02:09 schreef dadoc het volgende:
Het feit dat de Engelse identiteit zo'n beetje bepaald wordt door hun (met veel, héél veel bloedvergieten) definitieve afstand nemen van de Paus, is hierbij natuurlijk te verwaarlozen
Dat heb je mis. De kroon van Engeland is in handen van de paus.

Het is voor mij teveel om even samen te vatten. Ik plaats dus enkele quotes. Wettelijk gezien behoort GB en VS aan de paus, en door middel van hun ridders als de ridders van Malta en Columbus is dat in de praktijk ook zo. De effecten van die oorlogen zijn al lang null & void.
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Since its beginnings, the Temple Church at the City of London has been a Knight Templar secret society. It was built and established by the same Temple Knights who were given their Rule and Order by the Roman Pope. It’s very important to know how the British Royal Crown was placed into the hands of the Knights Templars, and how the Crown Templars became the fiscal and military agents for the Pope of the Roman Church.

This all becomes very clear through the Concession Of England To The Pope on May 15, 1213.charter was sworn in fealty by England’s King John to Pope Innocent and the Roman Church. It was witnessed before the Crown Templars, as King John stated upon sealing the same,

“I myself bearing witness in the house of the Knights Templars.”

Pay particular attention to the words being used that we have defined below, especially charter, fealty, demur, and concession:

We wish it to be known to all of you, through this our charter, furnished with our seal… not induced by force or compelled by fear, but of our own good and spontaneous will and by the common counsel of our barons, do offer and freely concede to God and His holy apostles Peter and Paul and to our mother the holy Roman church, and to our lord pope Innocent and to his Catholic successors, the whole kingdom of England and the whole kingdom Ireland, with all their rights and appurtenances… we perform and swear fealty for them to him our aforesaid lord pope Innocent, and his catholic successors and the Roman church… binding our successors and our heirs by our wife forever, in similar manner to perform fealty and show homage to him who shall be chief pontiff at that time, and to the Roman church without demur. As a sign… we will and establish perpetual obligation and concession… from the proper and especial revenues of our aforesaid kingdoms… the Roman church shall receive yearly a thousand marks sterling… saving to us and to our heirs our rights, liberties and regalia; all of which things, as they have been described above, we wish to have perpetually valid and firm; and we bind ourselves and our successors not to act counter to them. And if we or any one of our successors shall presume to attempt this, whoever he be, unless being duly warned he come to his kingdom, and this senses, be shall lose his right to the kingdom, and this charter of our obligation and concession shall always remain firm.

Most who have commented on this charter only emphasize the payments due the Pope and the Roman Church. What should be emphasized is the fact that King John broke the terms of this charter by signing the Magna Carta on June 15, 1215. Remember; the penalty for breaking the 1213 agreement was the loss of the Crown (right to the kingdom) to the Pope and his Roman Church. It says so quite plainly. To formally and lawfully take the Crown from the royal monarchs of England by an act of declaration, on August 24, 1215, Pope Innocent III annulled the Magna Carta; later in the year, he placed an Interdict (prohibition) on the entire British empire. From that time until today, the English monarchy and the entire British Crown belonged to the Pope.
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By swearing to the 1213 Charter in fealty, King John declared that the British-English Crown and its possessions at that time, including all future possessions, estates, trusts, charters, letters patent, and land, were forever bound to the Pope and the Roman Church, the landlord. Some five hundred years later, the New England Colonies in America became a part of the Crown as a possession and trust named the “United States.”
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By agreeing to the Magna Carta, King John had broken the agreement terms of his fealty with Rome and the Pope.

The Pope and his Roman Church control the Crown Temple because his Knights established it under his Orders. He who controls the gold controls the world.

The Crown Temple Today

The workings of the Crown Temple in this day and age is moreso obvious, yet somewhat hidden. The Crown Templars have many names and many symbols to signify their private and unholy Temple. Take a close look at the (alleged) one dollar $1 private Federal Reserve System (a Crown banking franchise) Debt Note.

Notice in the base of the pyramid the Roman date MDCCLXXVI which is written in Roman numerals for the year 1776. The words ANNUIT COEPTIS NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM are Roman Latin for ANNOUNCING THE BIRTH OF THE NEW ORDER OF THE WORLD. Go back to the definitions above and pay particular attention to the words CAPITOL, CROWN and TEMPLE. 1776 signifies the birth of the New World Order under the Crown Temple. That’s when their American Crown Colonies became the chartered government called the United States, thanks to the Declaration of Independence. Since that date, the United Nations (another legal Crown Temple by charter) rose up and refers to every nation as a State member.
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One may call the Rule of the world today by many names: The New World Order (a Bush family favourite), the Third Way (spoken by Tony Blair and Bill Clinton), the Illuminati, Triad, Triangle, Trinity, Masonry, the United Nations, the EU, the US, or many dozens of other names. However, they all point to one origin and one beginning. We have traced this in history to the Crown Temple, the Temple Church circa 1200. Because the Pope created the Order of the Temple Knights (the Grand Wizards of deception) and established their mighty Temple Church in the sovereign City of London, it is the Pope and his Roman Capitols who control the world.
http://www.freedomwriter.com/issue27/am77.htm

En lo & behold, de Britse koningin is een katholieke ridder van Malta:



Zij zijn de voormalige tempeliers, de Hospitalers of St. John.

Er is niets veranderd.

http://moversandshakersofthesmom.blogspot.com/

De bijbel spreekt over de 4 beesten uit de zee, de 4 grote koninkrijken uit de volkeren, te beginnen met Babylon, daarna de Meden en Perzen, Griekenland, en vervolgens Rome. Uit Rome staat vervolgens 1 godslasterlijke koning op die uiteindelijk het gezag over de hele wereld krijgt. De bijbel is correct.

[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door Ali_Kannibali op 10-08-2009 02:36:25 ]
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 01:59 schreef Ali_Kannibali het volgende:
Groot Brittannie is op haar beurt weer eigendom van het Vaticaan.
Koning Henry de achtste wou van z'n vrouw scheiden maar kon dat niet vanwege de Paus. Daarvoor bedacht hij echter een simpele oplossing, zichzelf het hoofd van de kerk verklaren en de Engelse kerk afscheiden van de autoriteit van het Vaticaan.
People will forget what you said or what you did,
but they'll never forget how you made them feel
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 02:29 schreef Ali_Kannibali het volgende:
King John broke the terms of this charter by signing the Magna Carta on June 15, 1215. Remember; the penalty for breaking the 1213 agreement was the loss of the Crown (right to the kingdom) to the Pope and his Roman Church.
Blijkbaar ben je in de 13e eeuw blijven steken...

Laten we even kijken naar de 16e eeuw
The English church was under papal authority for nearly a thousand years, before separating from Rome in 1534 during the reign of King Henry VIII.
People will forget what you said or what you did,
but they'll never forget how you made them feel
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Tuurlijk, de macht van het Vaticaan is in deze tijd buitengewoon marginaal en volgens Ali is de paus dan toch de koning van de aarde. Uit wat voor hoed tover je dit soort onzin als ik vragen mag.
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
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Het valt me op dat elke (VS) president (bij het installeren) wordt ingezegend door de Paus. Dit komt bij mij over als een soort goedkeuring.
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TvP voor bovenstaande discussie.
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 04:32 schreef Logical het volgende:

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Blijkbaar ben je in de 13e eeuw blijven steken...

Laten we even kijken naar de 16e eeuw
The English church was under papal authority for nearly a thousand years, before separating from Rome in 1534 during the reign of King Henry VIII.
Ja, en Rome vond dat zomaar oke, dat een significant deel van het Rijk afviel?
Sinds die tijd is men niet opgehouden de boel opnieuw onder macht van Rome te krijgen. Zoals dat voor alle Protestantse naties geldt.
De Anglicaanse kerk is begonnende autoriteit van de paus opnieuw te erkennen. Achter de schermen gold dat in de politieke wereld echter al lang.
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Anglicans called to accept Pope's primacy (Great Britain).

The Pope's authority over the Christian world has been recognized by an Anglican-Roman Catholic commission in a document released May 12, 1999, after five years of debate.

Called The Gift of Authority, the 43-page document was prepared by the 18-member Anglican-Roman-Catholic International Commission (ARCIC ARCIC Anglican-Roman Catholic International Commission
ARCIC Army Capabilities Integration Center (US Army)
ARCIC Accident Rehabilitation & Compensation Insurance Corporation (New Zealand) ). This commission functions under the auspices of the Anglican Consultative Council The Anglican Consultative Council or ACC is one of the four "Instruments of Communion" of the Anglican Communion. It was created by a resolution of the 1968 Lambeth Conference. and the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity origins are associated with the Second Vatican Council.

Pope John XXIII wanted the Catholic Church to engage in the contemporary ecumenical movement. .

The statement, which is not binding on either church, described the pope as a "gift to be received by all the churches" and accepted that the Bishop of Rome would exercise a universal primacy in a united church, reports the June 1999 edition of the Toronto-based Anglican Journal. The commission also proposed that Anglicans worldwide accept the pope's authority even before full communion Full communion is a term used in Christian ecclesiology to describe relations between two distinct Christian communities or Churches that, while maintaining some separateness of identity, recognise each other as sharing the same communion and the same essential doctrines. is reached between the two denominations.

The Gift of Authority could be a great step forward in Anglican-Catholic relations, as disagreement over papal authority The Roman Catholic Church bases Papal authority, the authority of the Pope, on two sources: Matthew 16:18| of the Christian Bible and On the detection and overthrow of the so-called Gnosis (commonly called Adversus Haereses) by Irenaeus. was the chief cause of the English Reformation The English Reformation refers to the series of events in sixteenth-century England by which the church in England broke away from the authority of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church. in the 16th century, and has been a formidable obstacle to reunion of the two churches.

But it has drawn criticism from both the more Protestant wing of the Anglicans, and liberal Catholics. Mark Birchal, a member of the Church of England Church of England: see England, Church of. Evangelical council, as quoted in the Anglican Journal, said: "It speaks as if the Bishop of Rome has always been on the side of the angels, while it is well known that for several centuries past the Bishop of Rome was certainly not."

And piping up on behalf of "liberal" Catholics, Margaret Hebblethwaite, a frequent contributor to The Tablet, suggested that the document was an attempt by the Anglicans to appease the Vatican: "Everything most obnoxious to Anglicans about the (Roman) Catholic view of authority is here.... Even Catholics are alarmed by the current abuse of authority in the Vatican."

The document suggests that, in a new united church, decision would be made by consensus through councils, not based solely on the opinion of one man, the Anglican Journal stated. It pointed out that the document "remains ambiguous about what would happen when no agreement could be reached."

It also noted that publication of the statement doesn't mean, necessarily, that Anglicans "are about to accept the authority of the current Pope, John Pope, John, 1822–92, Union general in the American Civil War, b. Louisville, Ky. He fought with distinction at Monterrey and Buena Vista in the Mexican War and later served with the topographical engineers in the West. Paul II Paul II, 1417–71, pope (1464–71), a Venetian named Pietro Barbo; successor of Pius II. He was a nephew of Eugene IV. A Renaissance pope, he patronized printing, beautified and improved Rome, and collected antiquities. ," as further discussions are required-and may last years-- if the proposals in the document are to be implemented.

The document is the result of further work on authority requested by both churches, and the document will be discussed by primates of the Anglican Communion Anglican Communion, the body of churches in all parts of the world that are in communion with the Church of England (see England, Church of). The communion is composed of regional churches, provinces, and separate dioceses bound together by mutual loyalty as and presidents of Catholic Bishops Conferences when they hold a first-ever summit in Toronto in May 2000.

The London Daily Telegraph said on February 19 that the particular focus of that meeting would be on how Anglicans could accept papal primacy. "At stake is the inflammable in·flam·ma·ble
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..... Click the link for more information. question of the papacy: In what circumstances could Anglicans envision entering into full communion with the Pope? And on the Catholic side, to what extent is the papacy prepared to accommodate the Anglican bottom line, whatever that may be?"

Comment

The Gift of Authority has the right title, something which people who are suspicious of authority may find strange. But in Christianity the authority of God-revealed by Our Lord Jesus-is the under-pinning of the whole structure of belief and therefore is seen as a gift from God. Through the direct succession of bishops from the days of the apostles to modem times, the Catholic Church, in accord with Scripture, has maintained the Primacy of the Bishop of Rome and thereby defended the "deposit of faith" under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
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Returning to the Fold
From the June 2005 Trumpet Print Edition »
The death of Pope John Paul II prompted some of the most powerful voices from Protestant denominations to sing praises for the mother church. It’s time we understood what lies behind the historic division between Catholics and Protestants—why the two are now moving toward unity—and where it will ultimately lead. By Stephen Flurry


When Rowan Williams, the archbishop of Canterbury, sat in the front row across from the coffin of John Paul ii, he was making a statement of allegiance that would have been unthinkable not many years ago. He was the first Anglican leader in history to attend a pope’s funeral. He called the pope “one of the very greatest” Christian leaders of the 20th century (Daily Telegraph, London, April 4).

While in Rome, the archbishop made statements signaling that “the rift between Anglicans and Catholics stemming from the Reformation could finally be healed …” (Australian, April 12)—speaking of the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century. A Guardian headline in London read, “It’s as if the Reformation had never happened.” The archbishop’s actions and words reflect a new type of relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and its protesting, or Protestant, daughter churches.

This relationship between Protestants and Catholics is one we have been following closely over the years. Back in 1963, Herbert W. Armstrong wrote, “Protestant churches everywhere are gravitating toward union with the Roman Catholic Church. These religious movements are speeding the fulfillment of the prophecies of the resurrected Roman Empire” (Oct. 27, 1963). In the Plain Truth magazine, Mr. Armstrong also boldly stated: “Protestantism will be absorbed into the ‘mother’ church …” (October 1961).

Today we see this happening. John Paul’s death created an outpouring of allegiance to the Vatican from the Anglican Church and dozens of other Christian groups the likes of which this world has never seen! As our editor in chief commented recently, “I believe the pope’s death will be the single greatest event to unify Protestants with their Roman Catholic mother.”

Reconciliation in Rome

While in Rome, Rowan Williams conducted a joint prayer service with the cardinal archbishop of Westminster, Cormac Murphy-O’Connor—head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales. Murphy-O’Connor stated that ecumenism, or the drive for church unity, was “a road with no exit” and that “we desire from the depths of our hearts that our churches should come closer” (Times Online, April 11).

In an interview prior to the pope’s funeral, the archbishops of Westminster and Canterbury described how the pope’s death had highlighted the existing ties between the Catholic and Anglican churches and their hopes for those ties to become closer. Dr. Williams said that his being at the funeral was “a mark of the deep bonds of personal closeness and intimacy that have come to exist between the office of the archbishop and the papacy” (Press Association, April 8).

The archbishop also said that “although the breach with Rome was ‘not yet at an end,’ there had been an irreversible reconciliation between Anglicans and Catholics during the reign of John Paul ii for his successor to build on” (Times Online, op. cit.; emphasis mine throughout). Williams stated, “The roots we have put down in recent years are far too deep to uproot.”

Heightened Urgency

Although church unity was an ongoing mission throughout his reign, John Paul ii appeared to highlight a new urgency toward the end of his pontificate. At the annual meeting to exchange Christmas greetings with church officials last year, the pope reinforced the church’s Christian-unity focus. He told the assembled cardinals, archbishops and bishops that the church had received the “high mission” of being the instrument “of the unity of all mankind” (Vatican Information Service, Dec. 21, 2004). “Unity among all people, beginning with believers, is our priority commitment,” he stated, adding that “it is urgent to rebuild full communion among Christians” (Zenit.org, Dec. 21, 2004).

Further, John Paul said, “The ecumenical effort is being intensified at different levels, thanks to constant contacts, meetings and initiatives with our brethren of the different churches and Orthodox and Protestant ecclesial communities” (ibid.).

That intensification has been reflected in public shows of unity over the past few months. For example, following the Asian tsunami last December, the heads of the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches in Britain held a prayer session together in the Catholic Westminster Cathedral.

The Vatican’s annual Week of Prayer for Christian Unity in January marked a new stage in its collaboration with the World Council of Churches, made up of 342 religious communities around the world. For the first time, the preparation of the document that Catholics used in the Week of Prayer meetings was written jointly by World Council of Churches and Vatican bodies. During this week, Catholic priests traded places behind the pulpit with clergymen of a variety of denominations.

Now, with the death of John Paul ii sweeping Protestant churches along in the euphoria of papal adulation, we can expect to see a further cementing of Catholic-Protestant ties. Besides the fact that both sides strongly desire reconciliation, the Bible long ago predicted first the division, and then the end-time reunion, of this mother-daughter relationship.
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Anglicans Submitting to the Pope
From the May 2007 Trumpet Print Edition »
By Gerald Flurry


England’s King Henry viii broke away from the Roman Catholic Church in the 16th century. The Anglican Church has been England’s church since that time. Some of Britain’s kings, queens and parliamentarians sacrificed blood to establish England’s own church. Britain suffered some of its worst nightmares when the Catholic Church reigned over it. However, the people have forgotten that oppressive history. Now, they are about to embrace the Catholic Church again.

The Times of London reported February 19: “Radical proposals to reunite Anglicans with the Roman Catholic Church under the leadership of the pope are to be published this year, the Times has learned. The proposals have been agreed by senior bishops of both churches. In a 42-page statement prepared by an international commission of both churches, Anglicans and Roman Catholics are urged to explore how they might reunite under the pope.”

A key paragraph in the draft document, titled “Growing Together in Unity and Mission,” reads: “We urge Anglicans and Roman Catholics to explore together how the ministry of the bishop of Rome might be offered and received in order to assist our communions to grow toward full, ecclesial communion.”

Additionally, the Times revealed: “Anglicans are also urged to begin praying for the pope during the intercessionary prayers in church services, and Catholics are asked also to pray publicly for the archbishop of Canterbury.”

This is a shocking development, considering the history of the Roman Catholic Church and England. Anglicans are embracing the bitterest enemy against the British throne! The history behind that throne is incredibly inspiring. You can read about this in last month’s Trumpet cover story. That throne is the greatest of all physical thrones by far, and a supreme blessing from the great God. If you understand its history and prophecy, you know that it is in fact the throne of King David of ancient Israel—the very throne, according to the Bible, from which Jesus Christ is about to rule! That royal throne is the hope of this world. (To understand why, request a free copy of our booklet The Key of David.) But the British have turned their back on God. Now they are grasping for another throne.

While both Catholic and Anglican leaders have downplayed the contents of the document, such efforts toward church unity nevertheless indicate a clear direction and intention. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the chairman of the Catholic side of the commission that prepared the document, Australian archbishop John Bathersby, said that “it was a significant step forward in an attempt at unity that began 35 years ago” (February 20). He said the relationship between Catholics and Anglicans was the closest it’s ever been. Dozens of Anglican married priests, in revolt against women’s ordinations, have already been accepted into the Catholic priesthood.
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Anglican-Catholic Reunion in the Works
February 4, 2009 | From theTrumpet.com


The pope is preparing to accept half a million disgruntled Anglicans into the Roman Catholic Church. Australian Catholic weekly The Record reports that the Vatican will accord the Traditional Anglican Communion a personal prelature if unity talks succeed.

“History may be in the making,” begins the Record article. “It appears Rome is on the brink of welcoming close to half a million members of the Traditional Anglican Communion into membership of the Roman Catholic Church. Such a move would be the most historic development in Anglican-Catholic relations in the last 500 years. But it may also be a prelude to a much greater influx of Anglicans waiting on the sidelines, pushed too far by the controversy surrounding the consecration of practicing homosexual bishops, women clergy and a host of other issues.”

The Traditional Anglican Communion is a group of churches with a worldwide membership of 400,000 people. It formed in 1990 from a dozen Anglican churches that broke away from the 80-million-strong Anglican Communion (of which the Church of England is the heart), mostly to protest the liberalism creeping into that organization.

In October 2007, the Traditional Anglican Communion sent a letter formally requesting “full, corporate and sacramental union” with the Roman Catholic Church, which has since been under review by the Vatican.

The Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has decided to recommend that the Traditional Anglican Communion be offered a personal prelature. This would put the communion in the same position as Opus Dei. The Record explains that a personal prelature is “something like a global diocese without boundaries, headed by its own bishop and with its own membership and clergy.”

The Trumpet has followed this subject closely because of its prophetic significance. For half a century, Herbert W. Armstrong and his Plain Truth magazine expounded on biblical prophecies foretelling the unification of Protestants with their Roman Catholic mother church. The October 1961 Plain Truth, for example, said this: “The pope will step in as the supreme unifying authority—the only one that can finally unite the differing nations of Europe. … Europe will go Roman Catholic! Protestantism will be absorbed into the ‘mother’ church—and totally abolished.”

This prophecy is in process of being fulfilled right now. The Vatican may announce its decision to absorb the Traditional Anglican Communion around April this year.

The eagerness of the Vatican to absorb the Anglican communion, and the lengths to which the communion is prepared to go to be accepted by Rome—“no matter what the personal cost”—is an indication of things to come.

Read Trumpet editor in chief Gerald Flurry’s article “Anglicans Submitting to the Pope” and “Returning to the Fold,” by Stephen Flurry, to learn how full unity between the Anglicans and Catholics will finally be achieved.
Het eerder genoemde verdrag gaf de paus de kroon voor altijd, door het overtreden van de Magna Carta.
De anglicaanse kerk neemt flinke stappen om Rome opnieuw als autoriteit te erkennen.

Verder is het interessant te noemen dat zelfs de gebouwen veranderen.

Dit is de oude St Paul's cathedral, volgens traditioneel Anglicaans model:



Maar die is bestaat niet meer want is volledig herbouwen. Tegenwoordig ziet hij er zo uit:



Een Rooms Katholiek meesterwerkje.

Dus ook de kerk is gevallen.

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Ff wat bagger verwijderd, carry on!
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NWO is een ding, maar denken dat het Vaticaan het meesterbrein is achter de opetatie gaat mij te ver.
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 10:18 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
NWO is een ding, maar denken dat het Vaticaan het meesterbrein is achter de opetatie gaat mij te ver.
Het vaticaan heeft geen geschiedenis van dominante macht?

Als het enigszins mogelijk is, zou ze die terug willen hebben?

Het vaticaan is wat het is en verandert niet. Dat een stel rebellen in de late middeleeuwen zich er tegen verzet hebben, wil niet zeggen dat dat ook zomaar ongestraft kon gebeuren. Ik daag je uit je voorstellingsvermogen als grens voor wat mogelijk is even aan de kant te zetten, aangezien dat de meest irrationele grens is die je kan hanteren.

Het is de bedoeling dat je denkt dat het vaticaan zwak is en geen macht meer heeft. Op die manier trap je het makkelijkst in de val.
Zonder vaticaan als prominente macht, maakt de wereld er zogenaamd een potje van (terwijl dat achter de schermen dus ook het werk van het vaticaan is). Gevolg? De kerk kan zich opnieuw uitspreken, roepen dat er meer moraal nodig is, meer controle, meer spiritualiteit, katholieke principes, etc. etc., door haar eigen organisaties als de VN naar voren geschoven worden, en de hele wereld trapt er in.

De kerk blijft bewust redelijk op de achtergrond en wacht tot de tijd rijp is. Ondertussen worden relaties met andere religies versterkt in een oecumenische beweging, zodat ook de religies de autoriteit van de paus zullen accepteren. Wanneer naties en religies 1 zijn onder hem is de NWO compleet.

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  maandag 10 augustus 2009 @ 10:51:15 #13
235357 TitusPullo
Sehr feierlich, aber schlicht
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 10:12 schreef Ali_Kannibali het volgende:

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Ja, en Rome vond dat zomaar oke, dat een significant deel van het Rijk afviel?
Het Rijk? Het gaat hier over de curie, niet over de keizers. Engeland was maar een klein land, en de paus had niet bepaald veel machtsmiddelen om afscheiding te verhinderen.
The crowning attainment of historical study is a historical sense - an intuitive understanding of how things do not happen. - Lewis Namier
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 09:00 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Tuurlijk, de macht van het Vaticaan is in deze tijd buitengewoon marginaal en volgens Ali is de paus dan toch de koning van de aarde. Uit wat voor hoed tover je dit soort onzin als ik vragen mag.
Niet alleen dat, er wordt en passant ook even gezegd dat de Paus` wil wet is, terwijl de islam toch echt andere regels erop na houdt.
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 10:57 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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Niet alleen dat, er wordt en passant ook even gezegd dat de Paus` wil wet is, terwijl de islam toch echt andere regels erop na houdt.
De paus wil' is wet in de zin dat hij zichzelf beschouwt als koning van de aarde. Er zijn idd nog plaatsen die niet onder zijn autoriteit staan denk ik, maar een militaire campagne zoals in Irak kan daar makkelijk verandering in brengen.
  maandag 10 augustus 2009 @ 11:06:21 #16
235357 TitusPullo
Sehr feierlich, aber schlicht
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 10:12 schreef Ali_Kannibali het volgende:

Dit is de oude St Paul's cathedral, volgens traditioneel Anglicaans model:

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Wat bedoel je met ''traditioneel Anglicaans model''?
The crowning attainment of historical study is a historical sense - an intuitive understanding of how things do not happen. - Lewis Namier
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 10:21 schreef Ali_Kannibali het volgende:

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Het is de bedoeling dat je denkt dat het vaticaan zwak is en geen macht meer heeft. Op die manier trap je het makkelijkst in de val.
Zonder vaticaan als prominente macht, maakt de wereld er zogenaamd een potje van (terwijl dat achter de schermen dus ook het werk van het vaticaan is). Gevolg? De kerk kan zich opnieuw uitspreken, roepen dat er meer moraal nodig is, meer controle, meer spiritualiteit, katholieke principes, etc. etc., door haar eigen organisaties als de VN naar voren geschoven worden, en de hele wereld trapt er in.
Is dit ook de reden waarom de Islam door ze aangemaakt is? Zodat ze op de achtergrond blijven en iedereen zich aan Islam kan ergeren, terwijl niemand door heeft hoe dit tot stand is gekomen? Vandaar ook de massale opening in Europa voor moslims?

Zo kunnen ze Islam weer gebruiken voor wat ze eerder in het midden oosten hebben aangericht. Het Christelijke geloof overhoop gooien. En uiteindelijk gaat de paus de twee religies bijelkaar brengen. Is dit overdreven of is het echt denkbaar?

Ik vraag me verder wel eens af of er ook landen zijn die nog vrij schoon en veilig zijn. Van Europa kun je zeggen dat het vrijwel onder controle is door het Vaticaan en dat Islam het voor ze verder kapot gaat maken. Na Engeland en Duitsland kun je het in Nederland misschien wel het meeste merken. Ik heb geen hekel aan moslims hoor, maar de feiten liegen niet. Misschien is Islam wel het belangrijkste onderdeel voor 'Order out of chaos', terwijl het nota bene een verzinsel van het Vaticaan is.
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 11:06 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:

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Wat bedoel je met ''traditioneel Anglicaans model''?
Het gebouw is zoals vele Anglicaanse kerken zijn, de boeg met hoge spitse toren. Ten minste voor zover ik Anglicaanse kerken gezien heb. In tegenstelling tot het Rooms Katholieke model met de koepel en 1 of 2 torens, of de kruisvorm..
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Religie is sowieso een verzinsel, maar werd in het verleden handig gebruikt door het Vaticaan om landen onder de duim te houden.
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
  maandag 10 augustus 2009 @ 11:19:09 #20
235357 TitusPullo
Sehr feierlich, aber schlicht
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Op maandag 10 augustus 2009 11:13 schreef Ali_Kannibali het volgende:

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Het gebouw is zoals vele Anglicaanse kerken zijn, de boeg met hoge spitse toren. Ten minste voor zover ik Anglicaanse kerken gezien heb. In tegenstelling tot het Rooms Katholieke model met de koepel en 1 of 2 torens, of de kruisvorm..
Nou, de oorspronkelijke kathedraal was een middeleeuws Katholiek gebouw, dat alleen niet meer te redden was. Bovendien geldt het ontwerp van Wren juist als een voorbeeld van Anglicaanse bouwkunst:


A new way of designing churches that was Anglican, rather than Catholic or Presbyterian, also began to develop out of this compromise. Christopher Wren's rebuilding of St Paul's after the Great Fire of London is a good example of this new flexibility.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hist(...)s_of_reform_09.shtml
The crowning attainment of historical study is a historical sense - an intuitive understanding of how things do not happen. - Lewis Namier
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