Rellen in Iran #6 Duivelse Britten en Seniele Ayatollah's

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:08 schreef FloydP het volgende:

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http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE55I3W520090619

De vraag is: heeft Mousavi de cojones om op te roepen tot een demonstratie.

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 22:04 schreef AryaMehr het volgende:
Grootste Iraanse zender buiten Iran (Voice of America) waar de meeste Iraniers in Iran en ook daarbuiten naar kijken heeft nu Ewout Irrgang van de SP live in haar uitzending.

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:13 schreef Tourniquet het volgende:
Wat is de officiele website van Mousavi? Want ik lees juist overal dat er morgen weer een demonstratie is en dat Mousavi daar zelf ook bij is.

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I will participate in the demonstrations tomorrow. Maybe they will turn violent. Maybe I will be one of the people who is going to get killed. I'm listening to all my favorite music. I even want to dance to a few songs. I always wanted to have very narrow eyebrows. Yes, maybe I will go to the salon before I go tomorrow! There are a few great movie scenes that I also have to see. I should drop by the library, too. It's worth to read the poems of Forough and Shamloo again. All family pictures have to be reviewed, too. I have to call my friends as well to say goodbye. All I have are two bookshelves which I told my family who should receive them. I'm two units away from getting my bachelors degree but who cares about that. My mind is very chaotic. I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism. This note is dedicated to tomorrow's children.

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:06 schreef Swetsenegger het volgende:

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Wat doe je hier

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I speak for Mousavi. And Iran

I have been given the ­responsibility of telling the world what is happening in Iran. The office of Mir Hossein Mousavi, who the Iranian people truly want as their leader, has asked me to do so. They have asked me to tell how Mousavi's headquarters was wrecked by plainclothes police officers. To tell how the commanders of the revolutionary guard ordered him to stay silent. To urge people to take to the streets because Mousavi could not do so directly.

The people in the streets don't want a recount of last week's vote. They want it annulled. This is a crucial moment in our history. Since the 1979 revolution Iran has had 80% dictatorship and 20% democracy. We have dictatorship because one person is in charge, the supreme leader – first Khomeini, now Khamenei. He controls the army and the clergy, the justice system and the media, as well as our oil money.

There are some examples of democracy – reformers elected to parliament, and the very fact that a person like Mousavi could stand for election. But, since the day of the election, this ­element of democracy has vanished. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei announced that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won, and that whoever opposed this will be suppressed – a position he affirmed speaking today in Tehran. People wanted to have demonstrations within the law, but the authorities would not let them. This is the first time we have seen millions on the streets without the permission of the supreme leader.

Now they are gathering to mourn those who have died. The people of Iran have a culture that elevates martyrdom. In the period running up to the revolution, when people were killed at demonstrations, others would gather again in the days following the death. This cycle carried on for six months, and culminated in the revolution. Today they are gathering in Tehran for those who were shot on Tuesday, and if there are more killings, this will continue.

So why do the Iranian people not want Ahmadinejad as their leader? Because he is nothing but a loudspeaker for Khamenei. Under Ahmadinejad, economic problems have grown worse, despite $280bn of oil revenue. Social and literary freedom is much more restricted than under his predecessor, Mohammad Khatami. The world views us as a terrorist nation on the lookout for war. When Khatami was president of Iran, Bush was president of the US. Now the Americans have Obama and we have our version of Bush. We need an Obama who can find solutions for Iran's problems. Although power would remain in the hands of Khamenei, a president like Mousavi could weaken the supreme leader.

Some suggest the protests will fade because nobody is leading them. All those close to Mousavi have been arrested, and his contact with the outside world has been restricted. People rely on word of mouth, because their mobile phones and the internet have been closed down. That they continue to gather shows they want something more than an election. They want freedom, and if they are not granted it we will be faced with another revolution.

Thirty years ago we supported each other. When police used tear gas, fires would be lit to neutralise its effects. People would set their own cars on fire to save others. Since then, the government has tried to separate people from one other. What we lost was our togetherness, and in the past month we have found that again. All the armed forces in Iran are only enough to repress one city, not the whole country. The people are like drops of water coming together in a sea.

People say that Mousavi won't change anything as he is part of the establishment. That is correct to a degree because they wouldn't let anyone who is not in their circle rise to seniority. But not all members of a family are alike, and for Mousavi it is useful to understand how he has changed over time.

Before the revolution, Mousavi was a religious intellectual and an artist, who supported radical change but did not support the mullahs. After the revolution, when all religious intellectuals and even leftists backed Khomeini, he served as prime minister for eight years. The economy was stable, and he did not order the killings of opponents, or become corrupt.

In order to neuralise his power, the position of prime minister was eliminated from the constitution and he was pushed out of politics. So Mousavi returned to the world of artists because in a country where there are no real political parties, artists can act as a party. The artists supported Khatami and now they support Mousavi.

Previously, he was revolutionary, because everyone inside the system was a revolutionary. But now he's a reformer. Now he knows Gandhi – before he knew only Che Guevara. If we gain power through aggression we would have to keep it through aggression. That is why we're having a green revolution, defined by peace and democracy.

Mohsen Makhmalbaf

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:23 schreef Tevik het volgende:

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Waar lijkt het op wat ik daar aan het doen ben, einstein? Ik heb daar mijn mening gegeven.

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:26 schreef Swetsenegger het volgende:

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No shit sherlock. Ik bedoel waarom zit je niet in Iran als het er zo geweldig is?

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:26 schreef Swetsenegger het volgende:

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No shit sherlock. Ik bedoel waarom zit je niet in Iran als het er zo geweldig is?

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:26 schreef Swetsenegger het volgende:

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No shit sherlock. Ik bedoel waarom zit je niet in Iran als het er zo geweldig is?

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:42 schreef Tevik het volgende:

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Ik zit hier omdat ik het leuk vind om Wilders te irriteren en zodat het hier in de toekomst ook een Iran kan worden (zie je hoe trouw ik ben aan Iran, trouwer dan die fake Iraniers hier die Iran willen veranderen in Amerika), maar ik wil best voor een paar maanden gaan als je voor mij een ticket betaalt.

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:45 schreef Hukkie het volgende:

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Denk je dat dit een goed topic is om te gaan lopen trollen?

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:49 schreef Tevik het volgende:

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Ik zou zeggen check de TT.

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:49 schreef Tevik het volgende:

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Ik zou zeggen check de TT.

INJA KOJAST INJA IRAN AST SARZAMINE MANO TO

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Where is this place? Where is this place where all the doors are closed? Where is this place that every moment the "Allahu Akbar" gets louder? I wait for every night to see if their voices get louder. It shakes me. I wonder if it shakes God... Where is this place? This place is Iran, the land of you and me.

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:52 schreef Hukkie het volgende:

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Oke, de TT is niet erg handig gekozen, daar heb je een punt.
Maar de aard van de reeks leent zich niet aan trollen toch?

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Op vrijdag 19 juni 2009 23:57 schreef HiZ het volgende:
Net een filmpje gekeken op de Huffington Post site waarin weinig te zien is maar waar je wel op kunt horen dat er heel veel mensen Allahu Akbar roepen in de nacht. Met een vrouwenstem die daarop commentaar geeft in het Farsi.

INJA KOJAST INJA IRAN AST SARZAMINE MANO TO

Ik heb er geen woorden voor.
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