Rellen in Iran #5 - Victory is nabij.

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 09:17 schreef stbabylon het volgende:

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10 tegen 1 dat Mousavi niet president wordt. Het wordt of Amad, of revolutie.

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 10:18 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Waarom zegt niemand dat hardop dan? Bang om dan ook de moellahs tegen zich te krijgen, die nu nog redelijk neutraal zijn?

Besides, dat gaat ze nooit lukken, daar heb je toch wel een merendeel van het land voor nodig.

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 10:28 schreef HiZ het volgende:

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Ja, ik denk dat ze nog bang zijn, maar het is ook duidelijk dat ze steeds minder bang worden en steeds bozer op het hele systeem.

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RT from iran: Rafsanjani, Khatami and Mousavi must realise we cannot go back to old days with them either, Iran must change. #IranElection

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 10:33 schreef Zith het volgende:

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Ik ben juist bang dat ze minder boos worden en wat gaan vieren dat ze allemaal zo bij elkaar zijn, en dat langzamerhand er steeds minder mensen mee gaan doen. Zoals vandaag, gaat men rouwen om de doden, ik zou juist willen dat ze allemaal woedend zijn om de doden ipv verdrietig, dat geeft veel meer kracht.

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 10:33 schreef Zith het volgende:

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Ik ben juist bang dat ze minder boos worden en wat gaan vieren dat ze allemaal zo bij elkaar zijn, en dat langzamerhand er steeds minder mensen mee gaan doen. Zoals vandaag, gaat men rouwen om de doden, ik zou juist willen dat ze allemaal woedend zijn om de doden ipv verdrietig, dat geeft veel meer kracht.

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 10:38 schreef HiZ het volgende:

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Er zijn inmiddels al 5 dagen massale demonstraties, en het domme regime geeft de mensen genoeg redenen om boos te blijven en bozer te worden.

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Change_for_IranThe exam never took place & university's own security told us to leave as soon as possible.
Change_for_Iranthere is a long list of rebel students & given to all universities & security is to arrest them on sight
& gov is now running a mass media propaganda about US & Israel joint force working in some Internet sites against Iran
Change_for_Iranalso IRG's involvement in controlling Internet & to fight back us is confirmed. I already can see lot more gov's twitts than yesterday.
Change_for_Iranany hope we had for Parliament to stand against ahmady is now ruined, they openly support government today.
Change_for_Iranstate TV & Radio went berserk today, all they saying are moosavi's supporters are all criminals & they will stop us at any cost
Change_for_Iranwe have to leave, it's not safe here anymore! wish us luck!
persiankiwiToday ALL major universities in Iran are CLOSED for Sea of Green - #Iranelection
RT @natachaqs : Mass Arrests and Detentions Signal Increasing Repression http://tr.im/oRJo #iranelection #humanrights #gr88

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guardian.co.uk — The man who leaked the real election results from the Interior Ministry - the ones showing Ahmadinejad coming third - was killed in a suspicious car accident, according to unconfirmed reports.

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Ayatollah Montazeri’s letter
16/06/2009

In the name of God

People of Iran

These last days, we have witnessed the lively efforts of you, brothers and sisters, old and young alike, from every social category, for the 10th presidential elections.

Our youth, hoping to see their rightful will fulfilled, came on the scene and waited patiently. This was the greatest occasion for the government’s officials to bond with their people.

However, unfortunately, they used it in the worst way possible. Declaring results that no one in their right mind can believe, and despite all the evidence of crafted results, and contrary to the people’s protestations, in front of the eyes of the same nation who carried the weight of a revolution and 8 years of war, in front of the eyes of local and foreign reporters, attacked the children of the people with astonishing violence. And now they are attempting a purge, arresting intellectuals, political opponents and Scientists.

Now, based on my religious duties, I will remind you:

1- A legitimate state must respect all points of view. It may not oppress critical views. I fear that this will lead to the loss of people’s faith in Islam.

2- Given the current circumstances, I expect the government to take all measures to restore people’s confidence. Otherwise, as I have already said, a government not respecting the people’s vote has no religious or political legitimacy.

3- I invite everyone, especially the youth, to continue reclaiming their dues calmly, and not to allow those who want to associate this movement with chaos succeed.

4- I ask the police and army personnel not to “sell their religion”, and be aware that receiving orders will not excuse them before God. Recognize the protesting youth as your children. Today, censorship and cutting telecommunication lines can not hide the truth.

I pray for the greatness of the Iranian people.

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 13:23 schreef Zith het volgende:
Grand Ayatollah Montazeri in een brief van gister over de demonstraties en de taak van de regering (weet niet of hij al gepost was).
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Bold is waarschijnlijk een belangrijke factor in de verandering van de politieagenten die de demonstranten nu beschermen: er is een fatwa uitgesproken tegen het geweld op demonstranten.

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 13:33 schreef ZoKanIkHetOok het volgende:
CNN


Ze hebben mijns inziens echt een goede balans gevonden tussen een Christiane Amanpour die NorthernStar zaken als de strijd tussen Rafsanjani en Khamenei aanhaalt, en een "Iran Desk" die alle twitters, youtube filmpjes, ingezonden iReports, Iran Fax Project, etc. fucking up-to-date bijhoud.

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 13:37 schreef Manke het volgende:

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Ik vind punt 1 nog het meest veelzeggend.

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 13:43 schreef Alulu het volgende:
Prachtige punten die Ayatollah Montazeri noemt en wijst de machthebbers op hun verantwoordelijkheid (tegen de mensen en God).

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Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri (Persian: حسین علی منتظری), styled His Honourable Eminence, (born in 1922), was one of the leaders of the Islamic Revolution in Iran. He is best known as the one-time designated successor to the revolution's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini who fell out with Khomeini in 1989 over government policies that Montazeri claimed infringed on freedom and denied people's rights. He currently lives in the holy city of Qom, and remains politically influential in Iran, especially upon reformist politics.[1] Montazeri is a senior Islamic scholar and a grand marja (religious authority) of Islam.

For almost three decades, Hossein Ali Montazeri has been one of the main critics of Islamic Republic's domestic and foreign policy. He has also been an active advocate of civil rights and women's rights in Iran. He is a prolific writer and has authored a number of books and articles.

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Soon the situation in Iran could very well enter a new and considerably
more challenging phase for the opposition. Some believe, with waves of
arrests and rising violence on the part of the security forces and various
armed hardline elements working with them, that such a phase already has
begun, albeit somewhat incrementally.

This would be a phase in the struggle for greater freedom Iran in which
demonstrations and iPods of same would become relatively less important.
It would stem from a decision on the part of Iran's grimly determined
hardline ruling elite & its acolytes to forcefully and definitively crush
the opposition movement. Are they a bit rattled? Of course they are, but
that does not mean they would shrink from a fight they believe would be
crucial to their survival and the survival of what they feel so deeply
should be the more authoritarian future of Iran over which they would
continue to hold sway.

Some have commented on what so many of us recall: how a Shah, battered by
overwhelming popular opposition, gave up the fight at a certain point (in
part, because portions of his own security forces and military had done
likewise rather than participate in further bloodshed against the people).
In that instance, the street won, not an authoritarian order. In this
case, however, driven by levels of fanaticism unknown to the Shah or those
comprising his leadership (nor many of the imperial cadres bearing arms
for that regime), Jannati, Ahmadinejad and their ilk probably would not be
inclined similarly. While the Shah reportedly grew weary of intense
bloodletting, many of his more twistedly self-righteous and fanatical
successors might not have such limits. And even if they do, their
tolerance for pain and violence could well be far in excess of the Shah's.
If these people decided to hang on come what may, but Khamenei was
inclined to blink, they might even shove him aside or turn him into an
intimidated fellow traveller in order to press on with their own fight for
survival.

Such a phase of this great struggle would become far bloodier and more
physical than what we have witnessed to date. Probably as many as
hundreds of thousands of Ahmadinejad's compatriots might well be steeled
for such a bruising showdown. If this should come to pass (possibly a
bloody battle of attrition of sorts), the terrible question would be
whether hundreds of thousands of the more genuinely high-minded, less
brutish individuals making up the vast bulk of the opposition are
similarly prepared for such an ugly showdown. Also in the balance would
be the willingness of armed elements such as the regular army (much of
which probably harbors sympathies similar to those of the opposition), to
step in actively and lend a possibly critical and forceful hand.

PS: While tapping out the above I winced at several points myself at the
potential cost in lost life and sheer suffering, but I thought it was
necessary to warn of this possibility nonetheless.

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 13:15 schreef Py het volgende:
[ afbeelding ]
http://whereistheirvote.x10hosting.com/

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Op donderdag 18 juni 2009 15:34 schreef alexis_ het volgende:

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Gaat het hier om vrijheid van het Iraanse volk of steun aan Mousavi?
Lijkt me niet verstandig om een massamoordenaar te steunen. Dat groen staat inherent aan hem.