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Op dinsdag 12 mei 2009 21:36 schreef OUWEFIETS het volgende:[..]
Observer, kun je ons het bewijs tonen dat Natalee gedrogeerd is met GHB?
Natalee is geen moment buiten bewustzijn geweest. Logischerwijs dutte ze af en toe na al die drank die sinds 10 uur die ochtend verorberd had.
You have been listening to your own lies too much.
What were the charges against Freddy when he was arrested? Sex with a unconscious female? Why was the islands Date rape drug expert the lead detective in this case? Why did he tell Natalee's father to watch his drink because people put drugs into them? Why did 3 other girls come forward even before Natalee vanished and say they were also drugged and assaulted by Joran? Joran already admitted Natalee was in and out of consciousness when he sexually assaulted her..Gee what suprise..Natalee dissapeared forever after that! Go start over and read again..Your lost!
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Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
Bekijk deze YouTube-videoKnown to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..
Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005
Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.
In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."
http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html==============================
The preliminary investigation also showed that Joran van der Sloot previously abused girls against their will. "We came into contact with an ex-girlfriend that a therapist had opgebiecht that she was raped by Joran. Naturally, we tried to let her return, but unfortunately they wanted. She was still in love with Joran," said the detective.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)Holloway.html?p=20,1==============================
Now we a number of listens to conversations again, we - in combination with the new research data - let us see really new suspicions oprijzen."Politie and justice goes there from that Joran and is friends Deepak and Satish K. had thought more earlier sex with little girls after they had doped them according to the Dutch Public Prosecution Service depend it of the declarations of Joran and the brothers K. the coming days or they are brought for the judge.
http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5531 =============================
Natalee Holloway Left Carlos And Charlies With DeepakMonday, July 18, 2005
New information has emerged suggesting that one of the mainstays in the Natalee Holloway mystery, that she left the club in a grey car with Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, may be incorrect.
It appears she may have left the front of the club on foot with Deepak Kalpoe.
Beginning with an Internet message referenced here:
When we saw her leave she left by herself. No one was with her but we did notice some local guys talking to her while she was in there.
Now, another source from Mountain Brook has come forward and offered an eyewitness account more in line with the Internet message which suggests Natalee Holloway did, at least once, walk out of Carlos and Charlies alone.
A witness outside of Carlos and Charlies that night states that Natalee Holloway came out of the club alone and appeared to be looking for someone. She stood in front of the night club for a short time and did present the appearance of someone who had been drinking, though she was certainly standing and in complete control. The words used to describe her appearance were "a little tipsy."
While an earlier report of a confrontation between Joran Van der Sloot and a male graduate from Mountain Brook may be true, I have not been able to independently confirm that story. I have been able to confirm a skirmish the previous night between Deepak Kalpoe and a student from Mountain Brook. It was presented more as a minor conflict soon forgotten and easily broken up by a friend other than a Mr. Reynolds, who has claimed to break up a fight between Joran Van der Sloot and a Mountain Brook student.
As to what became of Natalee Holloway, one witness insists that after standing in front of Carlos and Charlies alone and looking about for a short time - she actually re-entered the night club for a brief period. She then emerged not with Joran Van der Sloot, but with Deepak Kalpoe, who is said to have had her by the arm in a manner suggesting he was helping her to maintain her balance.
The two are reported to have walked off down the street, turning the corner - possibly into a small alley, or a side street.
One possibility is that Natalee was actually looking for Joran Van der Sloot and relying upon Deepak Kalpoe to take her to him. That opinion is speculation and unconfirmed.
Update: This shouldn't be interpreted to mean that the three suspects and Natalee Holloway didn't eventually get in a car together. It is simply another thread in the story. It is quite possible that the four came back to the front of C&C. But this is a solid report, as solid as anything else. More so in some ways to me as I have spoken to the source for an extended period of time. The version has not changed and is, as stated, an eyewitness account from a verified source. 130 anyone's can see 130 things and many may fit into a timeline which makes none of them wrong. I am only reporting what I have verified through sources and what I have not.
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Natalee Holloway Left Carlos And Charlies With Deepak
Sunday, July 31, 2005
In what was a controversial story at the time, I reported that Natalee Holloway left Carlos and Charlies with Deepak Kalpoe and not Joran Va der Sloot. In addition to sources used for that first report, I have now confirmed through another independent witness that the report was in fact accurate.
In attempts to re-construct the time-line for the night of Natalee Holloway's disappearance, it now seems that she did leave first with Joran Van der Sloot - but the two did not walk off together immediately.
At some point after most of Natalee's friends drifted away, Joran v d Sloot and Satish Kalpoe are thought to have left the front of the club, perhaps to return to Deepak's car.
Natalee then went back inside the club very briefly before emerging with the elder Kalpoe brother, who, as previously reported, was said to have been holding her by the arm. That has been described as non-romantic in nature and more consistent with an effort to assist one as they walk. At some point during that time period an unidentified Mountain Brook student is reported to have asked her if she was "Okay." It's believed she responded that she was.
The two are said to have been observed walking up the street from C and C some 80 to 100 yards, passing by the other nightclubs on the street until at or through a nearby intersection. At some point time after they disappeared from view, the three boys and Natalee Holloway are reported to have come back through the area, all seated in the car of Deepak Kalpoe. The car containing Natalee Holloway is said to have been observed by another Mountain Brook student who was located upon the porch of another nightclub.
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Jossy Mansur on the Front Page of SM
A bartender at the club where she was that fatal night has confirmed that two of the three suspects had to practically drag her to the car because she was uncertain on her feet================================================================
Dave p. 73 - 74:"The next night, many of the Mountain Brook students gathered at Carlos' n Charlie's. The threee boys were also there. The acquaintance hung out with the other Mountain Brook students, including Natalee, and they were all drinking a lot. He said that Natalee appeared to be attracted to Joran,
but it was Deepak who showed an interest in Natalee. Everyone was dancing during the night and, at one point, Natalee got up on the bar and danced. The acquaintance followed, then others joined them. When the bar was closing, the acquaintance went out front to catch a cab with some people he had met from another high school.
He said that he noticed that he and Natalee were the last two Mountain Brook students to leave the bar. He had been outside with his three new friends when he saw Natalee exit the bar by herself. She told him she was looking for someone. He knew from hanging out with her in the bar that she had been drinking, but she was walking without assistance and talking coherently. He offered to have her join him and his friends for the cab ride back to the hotel, but she said no.
Instead, she reentered the bar. After about fifteen or twenty minutes, the boy again saw Natalee emerge from Carlos'n Charlie's, but now she was stumbling and needed Deepak's assistance to walk. They walked away, and the acquaintance never saw him again.
I spoke to a police investigator on one of my trips back to Aruba over the months following Natalee's disappearance, and he told me that, based on the way her acquaintance described her, the drug GHB was probably administered to her. If someone is affected by GHB, the people they are with gain complete control over them. Taking the drug is like flipping a light switch. The person who slips the girl the drug has the control. Then the next day, the girl has no recollection of the events."
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Geraldo:
Let me ask you specifically, about the date rape drug. Is it not a fact that another of the group from the high school alleges that her lips were tingling and as a result of being stoned later from a date rape dosing, she engaged in conduct she would not have ordinarily
Dave:
Yeah, we heard some information like that from the police files. In fact when I met with the police detective on my first day on the island, he indicated that the date rape drug was prevalent on the island and to watch....
Dave later corrects this to say:
Geraldo:
Dave you were saying that there was another of the high school group according to the police reports who does suggest or allege that she was dosed during that evening.
Dave:
No, I think that was an individual that was on the island, not one of the girls, one of the high school girls.
Dave:
This was reported to me second hand but I understand in one of those reports this girl drinks a drink and then all of a sudden her lips started tingling and what that means I'm really not sure.
We do know this, there was a reporter that went in to this bar where there was an allegation that the bartender would mix up the drink for the locals for $25. This reporter spent about 4 hours in that club and noticed that when a male came up and ordered two drinks a bottle would be pulled from a side cabinet, away from the regular liquor and this bottle was unmarked and clear and was poured in one of the drinks adn then he noticed approximately 20 minutes later, that the girl and the individual were no longer to be found.
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Waiting Game Continues for Holloway Family
An Appeals Panel Delays Decision to Re-Arrest Joran van der Sloot
Monday, Feb 11, 2008 - 11:50 PM
By Jennifer Hale
Prosecutors in Aruba say there's been another delay in their request to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot.
Aruba's Ministry of Justice filed for permission to re-arrest van der Sloot soon after his secretly recorded confession tape became public.
A Dutch judge denied the request - saying the tape didn't provide enough evidence to justify van der Sloot's third arrest.
Aruban prosecutors appealed, and a panel of three judges in The Netherlands was scheduled to decide Monday if they would over rule the first judge's decision.
Instead, Monday afternoon the Appeals Court announced they're giving van der Sloot's defense attorney until Wednesday to fight the effort to re-arrest him.
It's a stressful waiting game for Natalee Holloway's family. Her dad Dave Holloway says he is more convinced than ever that van der Sloot drugged his daughter the night she died. Holloway says he believes it happened at a more private back bar at Carlos and Charlie's that served up some suspicious drinks when bar tenders announced last call.
“A male would come up and order two drinks. The bartenders would reach up, get the liquor bottles - then pour the drinks. Then the bartender would reach down below him and grab a bottle with clear liquid and just put it in one of the drinks," explains Holloway. Van der Sloot says he was lying on the confession tape, but Holloway believes it’s the truth. Holloway says one of the most tell-tale parts of the tape is when van der Sloot admits he was on the beach with Natalee the night she died, and then that he called someone to dump her body when she went unconscious.
“Common sense will tell you, that's not a normal reaction. If you hadn't done something wrong, why would you bother to get rid of the body? Why go to the trouble?” questions Holloway.
The Appeals Panel could make its decision on whether police can re-arrest van der Sloot by the end of the week.
http://www.nbc13.com:80/g(...)2008-02-11-0022.html----------------------------------------------------------------
TEEN CLAIMS JORAN DRUGGED AND RAPED HER
By DAVID WRIGHT
A 16-year-old girl has told police she was drugged and raped at a party by Joran van der Sloot — heightening fears for the nightmarish last moments of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.
And The National Enquirer has learned that the girl's evidence is likely to prevent Van der Sloot's release from prison in Aruba.
Investigators were stunned by the story the teenager finally poured out on August 25 after months of soul searching.
The new witness' identity is being closely guarded but we have learned that she's a slim, popular, above-average student at a public school and lives in a middle class neighborhood close to Oranjestad, the Caribbean island's capital.
Her ordeal began, she claimed, this spring in a private home at a party attended by Joran and his friends."Many of the youngsters were drinking," revealed an insider
. "Toward the end of the evening, the 16-year-old suddenly felt woozy. From her description, investigators believe that a date rape drug or maybe Ecstasy was slipped into her drink.
"She passed out and the next thing she claims to remember is coming back to consciousness and realizing she was being sexually assaulted by Joran."The drug detail is particularly telling because cops believe that Natalee, 18, was also slipped Ecstasy or a similar drug before she left a nightclub on May 30 with Joran and two friends.
Former U.S. Secret Service agent Arthur Wood, who's been working unofficially on the case with Aruban authorities, told The National Enquirer:
"The girl went to a police station and reported the alleged attack afterward... but apparently no action was taken."Since then she has been too frightened to even tell her parents what happened."
Then, in late August, with the possibility looming that Joran might be freed, the frightened teen felt unable to keep her secret any longer.
"She went to a girlfriend's mother she trusted and confided the whole story to her," said Wood.
The mother persuaded the girl to go with her to the office of local attorney Helen Lejeuz on August 25.
Said Wood:
"The police have now talked to her — and I'm told that she says she has two girlfriends, also age 16, who claim the same thing happen to them."
The girl's testimony dramatically strengthens the case against Joran.
Her charges came just one day before another breakthrough in the case. On August 26, prosecutors re-arrested the two men who were last seen with Natalee and Van der Sloot — 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18 — on suspicion of rape and murder "together with one or more people" in the Natalee case.
The same day police also arrested Joran's close friend Freddy Arambatzis, 20, who they believe helped give him a false alibi early in the case.The Kalpoe brothers — who told police they left Joran alone with Natalee on a beach near the Marriott hotel before 2 am — were first arrested with Joran but were freed from prison in July.
"They were picked up again after a jogger came forward," revealed a source. "The jogger was out for a run the morning Natalee disappeared — and was able to corroborate the testimony of a previous witness, a gardener, who said he saw Joran, Deepak and Satish in a car near the beach between 2:30 and 3 am. That blew their stories out of the water."
Sources says Arambatzis was detained on suspicion of criminal activity not connected with Natalee.
But more importantly, says Wood: "Investigators desperately need somebody to talk — and Freddy may be the weak link the cops have been looking for."
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63322=================================================
On June 20, 2005 the “New York Newsday” reported “Ben Miller, a classmate of Holloway's, said he later saw her leave Carlos 'N Charlie's, where tourists dance on tables and gulp neon-colored cocktails, with Kalpoe, 21, and his brother Satish, 18.”
http://nataleetimelinedet(...)ine-may-30-2005.html ===============================================
I did speak with one individual. And he said that they all came out of the establishment, and they were all talking, and everybody appeared to be OK. And then suddenly they saw Natalee look around as if she was looking for someone and walked back into the establishment and was back in there approximately 15 minutes. And then, when she came out, Deepak had her by the arm, leading her out of the bar.” “Well, that was one of the individuals‘ witness statement was, was that Deepak walked her out. Some of the others indicated that she walked out with Joran. So I think that‘s a matter of clearing that issue up.”
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Feb 2008
From a Dutch crime blog (a report from his contact, on Aruba, named macamba) :
"Enkele weken geleden sprak ik met een van de broers Kalpoe. Ze wonen aan de Hooiberg in Santa Cruz Aruba en ik ken hun vader erg goed die in het hotelwezen van Aruba werkzaam is. Deze broers zijn er door Joran bij betrokken terwijl ze er werkelijk helemaal niks mee te maken hebben gehad. Joran stond bekend als rokkenjager, hij ging er prat op om zoveel mogelijk vrouwen te versieren en hield daar zelfs een boekje voor bij met alle namen, data en tijdstippen. Joran schuwde het heimelijke gebruik van GHB ook niet als een meisje niet snel genoeg op zijn advances in ging. Volgens een van de broertjes noemde Joran dat zijn "love-potion" en als het hem niet snel genoeg ging wast het "love-potion no. 9" erin als het meisje niet keek of als Joran zelf een drankje ging halen.[/i]
"Single weeks I ago spoke with one of the brothers Kalpoe. They live at the Haystack in Santa Cruz Aruba and I know their father very good that in the hotel being of Aruba actively is. These brothers are to make had there by Joran by concerned meanwhile they it really totally nothing with. Joran stood known as skirts hunter, he was proud to decorate of so much possible women and held that even a book for by with all names, data and moments. Joran shunned not went the secret use of GHB also not as a girl fast enough on its advances in. According to one of the brothers named Joran that are "love-potion" and as it him not fast enough went wast the "love-potion no. 9" in it as the girl looked not or wanted to get as a Joran self a drink.
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