Israël - Hamas deel 37 - Betrouwbare bronnen

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Op maandag 12 januari 2009 13:19 schreef Verluste het volgende:

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Dude, waarom haal je dat van israel national news? Totaal niet betrouwbaar Hetzelfde alsof je alle nieuws van een hamassite haalt.

Gebruik liever reuters ofzo

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Op maandag 12 januari 2009 13:18 schreef Verluste het volgende:
905 doden nu

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Op maandag 12 januari 2009 13:21 schreef venomsnake het volgende:
Ramattan tv stream doet het niet meer, is nu een Joodse zender op te zien.

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Op maandag 12 januari 2009 13:22 schreef KomMaar het volgende:

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Fascisten zijn er altijd op uit om mensen uit te roeien.

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Op maandag 12 januari 2009 13:19 schreef Verluste het volgende:
Gebruik liever reuters ofzo

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Op maandag 12 januari 2009 13:23 schreef VlaDje het volgende:
14:13 Tehran: Iranian aid ship nearing Gaza (Reuters)

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Op maandag 12 januari 2009 13:24 schreef B4CO het volgende:

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Is dat hulp voor Hamas of voor de bevolking

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Op maandag 12 januari 2009 12:57 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Misschien heeft hij een goede reden weinig waarde aan de NY Times toe te kennen? Ik kan geen antwoord voor hem geven, dat moet je aan hem vragen.

Voor me zelf sprekend vind ik in het algemeen de westerse mainstream media extreem eenzijdig en pro-Israel.

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De meesten behandelen het conflict alsof het drie weken geleden allemaal begon. De keren dat genoemd wordt dat Gaza al drie jaar wordt uitgehongerd en Israel afspraken over toelaten van humanitaire hulp aan de laars lapt zijn op een hand te tellen. De werkelijke oorzaak, het ontbreken van een Palestijnse staat en de bezetting wordt al helemaal "vergeten". enz. Het is teveel om op te noemen eigenlijk.
Op de nieuwszenders struikel je over de Israelische woordvoerders, iemand die voor de Palestijnen spreekt komt niet of nauwelijks aan bod.

Zelfs als Israel een VN school bombardeerd of een "safe house" platgooid, fosfor gebruikt of het Rode Kruis verhinderd haar taak te doen en journalisten verbiedt Gaza in te gaan hoor je er amper iets over in de MSM of ze brengen het omgeven met alle excusses die inmiddels in Israel zijn bedacht.

Dat Israel de mediaoorlog desondanks toch weer aan het verliezen is mag dan ook wel een klein wonder genoemd worden imo.

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Op maandag 12 januari 2009 13:21 schreef B4CO het volgende:

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Kan je hier dan ook inhoudelijk op reageren ipv steeds de betrouwbaarheid in twijfel te nemen?
Ik zie dat wel als waarheid in. dat weet jij ook wel!

Grappig dat alles wat anti palestijns is meteen niet betrouwbaar was..
Zeg je dat ook over dingen die anti Israel zijn?

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Gazans fear Israel using phosphorus


Doctors in Gaza City have told Al Jazeera that people have been admitted suffering burns consistent with the use of the controversial chemical white phosphorus.

Human rights campaigners say that Israeli forces have used the munition, which can burn away human flesh to the bone, over Gaza City and Jabaliya in recent days.

Al Jazeera's Ayman Mohyeldin, reporting from the Shifa hospital in Gaza City, said: "Doctors here say they are seeing unprecedented levels of deep burns.

"They cannot categorically say that white phosphorus is being used, they are saying that the munitions being dropped are unprecendented."

Residents in densely-packed Jabaliya have described Israeli forces exploding shells that drop scores of burning fragments and spread suffocating smoke.

"Its the first time we see this type of weapon, it must be new and its seems like its phosphorous," one resident told Al Jazeera.

"Its suffocating and has a deadly poisonous smell that I am sure will cause a lot of sickness and disease on all of the civilians here," he said.

Another witness said she saw "... a bright flash and then all of these sparks fell on our area ... landing all around us and in our homes. Our mattresses caught on fire".

Law 'violated'

The use of the munition in densely-populated areas violates the requirement under international humanitarian law for all feasible precautions to be taken to avoid civilian injury and loss of life, Human Rights Watch said.

International law permits the use of white phosphorus in order to cover troop movements and prevent enemies from using certain guided weapons.

Marc Garlasco, a senior military analyst at the human rights group told Al Jazeera on Saturday that he had watched Israeli ground forces using white phosphorus.

"Clearly it is [white phosphorus], we can tell by the explosions and the tendrils that go down [and] the fires that were burning," he said.

"Today there were massive attacks in Jabaliya when we were there. We saw that there were numerous fires once the white phosphorus had gone in.

"We went by Israeli artillery units that had white phosphorus rounds with the fuses in them."

Major Avital Leibovich, an Israeli military spokeswoman, told Al Jazeera that the Israeli army was "using munitions with accordance to international law".

"The policy of the IDF [Israeli Defence Force] is to not specify the types of munition, we have not done it before and we will not do it now."

Mark Regev, the Israeli government spokesman, said he was unable to confirm or deny whether the military was using the chemical, but that Israel did not use munitions that were banned under international law.

"I don't have the knowledge of the detail of what ammunition we are using. I can only know for a fact that Israel uses no ammunition that is outlawed under conventions and that Nato forces would not use in a similar combat situation," he told Al Jazeera.

Israel used white phosphorus during its 34-day war against Lebanon's Hezbollah movement in 2006, while the United States used it during the controversial siege of the Iraqi city of Fallujah in 2004.

Israeli army 'using white phosphorus' - 12 Jan 08

Al Jazeera Exposes Israeli Use of White Phosphorus on Civilians

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Olmert: Gaza war won't end until rocket and smuggling stop

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Monday that he hoped to see a quick end to Israel's offensive on the Gaza Strip, but emphasized that the war would go on until Hamas ceased its rocket fire and its smuggling tunnels were decimated,

Olmert told students at the French school in Mikveh Israel that Israel had "not declared war on Gaza residents," but that the fight against "the murderers of Gaza" often results in innocent civilians being caught in the crossfire.

"Every child and adult not involved with terror who has been caught as a casualty of our military efforts is a victim for which we apologize, which we want to prevent."
The prime minister expressed his gratitude toward Egypt for working toward destroying the smuggling tunnels from Gaza and said he hoped dialogue with Cairo would yield positively.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said earlier Monday that there was no reason to negotiate with Hamas over restoring calm to the Gaza Strip as the group's words were "meaningless."

"I am not going to negotiate with Hamas and don't need them to sign anything for me. What they said is meaningless. This is what is called deterrence: they know that the next time they attack us, they will be harmed," the foreign minister told Israeli radio stations.

Livni said that additional military operations in the Gaza Strip could also be in the cards should "Hamas dare raise its head and strike Israel again. The war on terror will be long and difficult and we will use military force because that is how one fights terror ? with military force and no alternatives. When they fire [rockets], I've said before, we must return the fire."

Livni said that the current operation in Gaza has proven to Hamas that Israel will always respond to provocation. "Israel is a country that reacts vigorously when its citizens are fired up, which is a good thing," she said. "That is something that Hamas now understands and that is how we are going to react in the future."

Meanwhile, sources close to Olmert confirmed Sunday that he continues to disagree with Livni and Defense Minister Ehud Barak regarding the question of continuing the warfare in Gaza.

The so-called troika met Sunday evening to discuss the subject, and both Barak and Livni reportedly argued for ending Operation Cast Lead as soon as possible. This is apparently the reason Olmert wants to present the issue to the security cabinet, where the majority supports his view.

Livni contends that continuing the offensive could harm the deterrence it has achieved so far and damage Israel diplomatically. Barak objects mainly to inserting ground troops deep into densely populated areas of Gaza. For his part, Olmert told the full cabinet Sunday that stopping Operation Cast Lead now would be a missed opportunity.

Sources close to Olmert said Sunday, after the meeting of the three, that most of the security cabinet supports Olmert's stand or even believe the operation should be expanded. Olmert is likely to convene the security cabinet today to seek approval for an expansion of the operation.

Olmert's associates also said no one in the security cabinet supported Livni's position and that a few Labor ministers support Barak's position that an agreement should be reached with Hamas.

Olmert told the full cabinet Sunday: "The pressure we are exerting [on Hamas] must not be reduced. Anyone who broadcasts weakness will earn the good will of the global community for 12 seconds, but will not change anything essential."

Sources in the Prime Minister's bureau said Egypt has begun to relax its stance on bringing in American and European engineering experts to deal with the tunnels in the Rafah area.

Haaretz

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Op maandag 12 januari 2009 15:07 schreef venomsnake het volgende:

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Op maandag 12 januari 2009 15:13 schreef SalmanPack het volgende:

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Ik weet niet wie walgelijker is, Olmert die de oorlogsmisdaden van de terreurstaat Israël wil intensiveren, of Livni en Barak die oorlogsmisdaden plegen om de verkiezingen te kunnen winnen.