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Op woensdag 11 maart 2009 20:10 schreef henkway het volgende:

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zit de pvda ook in de US ??
Indirect met ING wel
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  woensdag 11 maart 2009 @ 20:15:01 #27
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Op woensdag 11 maart 2009 20:10 schreef henkway het volgende:

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zit de pvda ook in de US ??
wat een domme vraag.
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Op woensdag 11 maart 2009 20:10 schreef henkway het volgende:

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zit de pvda ook in de US ??
Yup, we subsidieren arme amerikanen. Ik heb al medelijden
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  woensdag 11 maart 2009 @ 20:45:26 #29
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pvda. niet allen voor allochtonen, maar ook om ons geld zo snel mogelijk weg te krijgen. partij van de allochtoon is nu ook nog eens partij van de amerikaan.
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Op woensdag 11 maart 2009 20:45 schreef zoalshetis het volgende:
pvda. niet allen voor allochtonen, maar ook om ons geld zo snel mogelijk weg te krijgen. partij van de allochtoon is nu ook nog eens partij van de amerikanen.


Doet het goed bij de achterban denk ik
1/10 Van de rappers dankt zijn bestaan in Amerika aan de Nederlanders die zijn voorouders met een cruiseschip uit hun hongerige landen ophaalde om te werken op prachtige plantages.
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  maandag 13 juli 2009 @ 08:59:35 #31
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Banks: Here Come The OptionARM Blowups!

Well well well.

From my 2009 Prediction Ticker:

Mortgages are not done. The story last year was "Subprime." This year's will be "ALT-A", "Option ARMs" and so-called "Prime". The Fed and Treasury know this, which is why they are playing games with "agency" debt in a desperate attempt to clear this market before the ticking nuclear devices go off. The amount of debt involved in these "bad deals" is vastly higher than that in the "subprime" space and if they fail to contain it (a near certainty) Round #2 of severe bank instability gets served up on us in the second half of 2009.

No really?

Guess what the WSJ said this weekend?

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--For the third straight month, option adjustable-rate mortgages are generating proportionally more delinquencies and foreclosures than subprime mortgages, the scourge of the housing crisis.

A further acceleration of troubles among the loans could mean higher-than-expected losses for Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC) and JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM), as well as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.'s own insurance fund.

Yep. Bank-o-rama is not over. And by the way, this is what I said to Dick Bove on this subject well over a year ago:

Also note that we STILL haven't gotten entirely back to sound lending principles, which are 20% down payments, 36% DTI and a 30 year fixed mortgage. Until we do and prices adjust at that level we are not at a housing bottom.

There is much more, of course, if you care to review that article. Its actually pretty good.

Then there's this ditty that I wrote before (shortly before) WaMu blew up:

The Truth is that OTS should have demanded that these clowns eliminate the dividend back in April of 2007 and disgorge this paper, no matter the mark. I wrote about it back then and said they were toast, and now, with the stock trading at just over $2, it looks like their day is coming.

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Anyone who didn't recognize in April of 2007 that these OptionARM loans in California were underwater then and would only go FURTHER underwater, and as such this "capitalized interest" would never be paid, is absolutely unqualified to run a frapping lemonade stand, say much less a Federal Regulatory Agency.

Of course our fine government apparatus, instead of shutting these clowns down, played "shotgun marriage" with both them and Wachovia - exactly what it did with Fannie, Freddie and AIG. As such all that happened is that the ticking bomb got moved somewhere else instead of being put out in the desert where it wouldn't hurt "innocent bystanders" - oh no, instead, let's put it in the middle of a big city so that we can then shower taxpayer money on it in an attempt to keep it from blowing sky high!

That obviously didn't work as you can now see, and we're not talking small potatoes either.

Wells "acquired" $115 billion of these things when they "bought" Wachovia. They claim they're worth $93 billion. Oh really? A bunch of loans that were mostly at or near 100% Loan-to-value (that is, near zero equity) when originally written, in markets where prices have declined by half? Oh, and in May, the firm said that 51% of the balances out were being paid only on the minimum - that is, they are still negatively-amortizing even as house prices fall! Talk about double-screwed!

JP Morgan, for its part, has nearly $90 billion in exposure through both its "acquisition" of WaMu and a pretty set of off-balance sheet "vehicles" (which of course are being shielded from having to be accounted for, and who knows how well those are performing!)

Oh, and as I and others have noted, we're just starting to see "recasts" on these mortgages, which will continue for the next couple of years, and these "recasts", which cannot be avoided as the properties are deeply underwater and thus cannot be refinanced, often cause payments to double or even triple.

I've been warning people about this now for a long time; finally, the "mainstream media" is picking up on it. Indeed, if you go back to the origin of The Market Ticker you will find that I started writing this blog precisely because Washington Mutual (WaMu) reported "earnings" that were insufficient to pay their dividend, "paying" the rest with capitalized interest (that, is negative amortization amounts that were getting added to principal!) Of course that only works if the principal ever gets paid!

Indeed, go back to the very first articles on The Market Ticker and what do you find? They're all about Option ARMs! Examples?

How about right here, from April 18th 2007:

Let's use WaMu as an example, because they make a particularly good - or ugly, depending on your perspective - example of this.

In March of 2006, Washington Mutual recorded net income of $985 million dollars. 4Q06 they booked $1,058 mln. This last quarter, they booked $784mln.

But in those three quarters they booked $194mln, $333mln and $361 million, respectively, in PayOption ARM "Capitalized Interest." This was booked and recognized as EARNINGS.

Now here's the problem: In 1Q 06, 194 million out of $985 is 19.7%. In December, it was 31%. But this last quarter, it was FORTY SIX PERCENT, more than a DOUBLE over the year ago levels.

And what's worse, not one dime of that "income" can be spent! It is entirely phantom.

This is the same sort of crap that sunk Lucent and Enron - booking "income" that is not in fact spendable, as it has an impairment associated with it (the LTV is INCREASED by this negative amortization) AND it is not CASH!

And from the very first article in The Market Ticker archives....

1. Combined "loan to value" on ALT-A purchases in 2006 was 88% on average, with 55% of buyers taking out a second at the same time as the purchase.
2. Low or no-documentation (stated income) loans were 81% of total originations.
3. Interest only and option ARMs were 62% of purchase originations in 2006.
4. 1-year hybrid ARMs were 28% of ALT-A originations in 2006 (these loans reset in just one year!)
5. Investors and second home buyers were 22% of ALT-A purchase originations in the last year.
6. Approximately 40% of purchases in 2006 involved second mortgages taken at the same time as the purchase. This is important because these "piggybacks" are how you get around loan-to-value restrictions! While the industry has tried to say that this is primarily a subprime thing, THAT IS A LIE - 55% of ALT-As had piggypacks in 2006!
7 TWENTY FOUR PERCENT OF ALL NEW ALT-A ORIGINATIONS WERE INTEREST ONLY OR NEGATIVE AMORTIZATION IN 2006!

Generational buy on banks eh, when their entire "valuation" is predicated on balance sheets where one can't possibly assign an honest value to huge parts of their loan portfolio?

I think not, and I've been pounding the table on this since The Market Ticker began - literally, from the first posting.

SHUT THEM ALL DOWN.
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ik denk dat het vanaf eind september weer instable wordt in de banken wereld. Nee dit herstel duurt minimaal nog 3 jaar of we krijgen een W recessie.
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  dinsdag 14 juli 2009 @ 18:31:40 #33
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Option-ARMs worse than subprime
Monday, July 13, 2009

The chart below was promptly whipped up after reading this report($) in today's Wall Street Journal about just how fast Option-ARMs are souring as compared to subprime loans.
IMAGE It's not so much that the default rates for Option-ARMs have exceeded that of subprimes loans for three months running, but that the absolute numbers are so high.



More than one-third of all Option-ARMs (called Pick-A-Pay loans below) are in default and most of these are likely to make it to the foreclosure stage eventually.

Option ARMs were typically issued to creditworthy homeowners and allow borrowers to make a range of monthly payments. The payment options include a partial-interest payment that adds the unpaid interest to the loan's balance. On many such loans, balances have risen while values of the underlying properties have plummeted amid the housing crisis.

As of April, 36.9% of Pick-A-Pay loans were at least 60 days past due, while 19% were in foreclosure, according to data from First American CoreLogic, a unit of Santa Ana, Calif.-based First American Corp. In contrast, 33.9% of subprime loans were delinquent, with 14.5% of those loans in foreclosure, the figures show.

Payment-option mortgages are heavily concentrated in the worst-hit regions in the housing market, including California and Florida, making borrowers inordinately vulnerable to declining property values. The deepening loan turmoil could mean higher-than-expected losses for Wells Fargo & Co., J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.'s own insurance fund.

"The realization of the issues related to option ARMs is just beginning," said Chris Marinac, director of research at Atlanta-based FIG Partners.

If memory serves, the wackiest thing about Option-ARMs a few years ago was that banks could book the interest and principal payments as income even though they weren't actually receiving the money - the vast majority of borrowers were only making the lowest payment that didn't even cover the full amount of the interest due that month.
  dinsdag 14 juli 2009 @ 21:19:22 #34
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Op dinsdag 14 juli 2009 21:19 schreef zoalshetis het volgende:
IK HEB NATUURLIJK WEER GELIJK GEKREGEN.
Ieder rationeel denkend mens zou dit concept per definitie al hebben afgeschoten. Waarom konden de Amerikaanse banken dat ook niet bedenken?? Ik kan de mensen die zo'n hypotheek hebben niet kwalijk nemen dat ze niet betalen trouwens. Financieel gezien zou dat stom zijn. Laat de banken die zich hiermee hebben ingelaten maar failliet gaan, anders komen we nooit van deze rotzooi af.
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Op woensdag 15 juli 2009 22:05 schreef drexciya het volgende:

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Ieder rationeel denkend mens zou dit concept per definitie al hebben afgeschoten. Waarom konden de Amerikaanse banken dat ook niet bedenken?? Ik kan de mensen die zo'n hypotheek hebben niet kwalijk nemen dat ze niet betalen trouwens. Financieel gezien zou dat stom zijn. Laat de banken die zich hiermee hebben ingelaten maar failliet gaan, anders komen we nooit van deze rotzooi af.
banken moeten gaan beseffen dat ze met het geld van burgers geen burgers moeten gaan uitzuigen. we hebben het wel eens over te grote, uitzuigende ambtenarenapparaten, maar de banken kunnen er ook wat van.

vies spelletje met ons geld. hypotheekrente op 2 % of inflatiegerelateerd.
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Op woensdag 24 december 2008 02:36 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Zijn die ook gebundeld en massaal verkocht aan Europese banken?
Natuurlijk. Gingen als warme broodjes over de toonbank. 8% op een triple A-pakketje. Je bent gek als je dat niet doet.
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Op woensdag 24 december 2008 02:20 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
70 % default.....
70% default haalt volgens mij ELQ niet eens.
  zondag 20 september 2009 @ 00:40:49 #39
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"Option" mortgages to explode, officials warn


By Lisa Lambert

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The federal government and states are girding themselves for the next foreclosure crisis in the country's housing downturn: payment option adjustable rate mortgages that are beginning to reset.

"Payment option ARMs are about to explode," Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller said after a Thursday meeting with members of President Barack Obama's administration to discuss ways to combat mortgage scams.

"That's the next round of potential foreclosures in our country," he said.

Option-ARMs are now considered among the riskiest offered during the recent housing boom and have left many borrowers owing more than their homes are worth. These "underwater" mortgages have been a driving force behind rising defaults and mounting foreclosures.

In Arizona, 128,000 of those mortgages will reset over the the next year and many have started to adjust this month, the state's attorney general, Terry Goddard, told Reuters after the meeting.

"It's the other shoe," he said. "I can't say it's waiting to drop. It's dropping now."

The mortgages differ from other ARMs by offering an option to pay only the interest each month or a low minimum payment that leads to a rising balance in the loan's principal.

When the balance of the loan reaches a certain level or the mortgage hits a specific date, the borrower must begin making full payments to cover the new amount. The loan's interest rate also may have been fixed at a low level for the first few years with a so-called teaser rate, but then reset to a higher level.

Because the new monthly payments can be five or 10 times what borrowers are accustomed to paying, they "threaten a much greater hit to the consumer than the subprimes," Goddard said, referring to the mortgages often extended to less credit-worthy

borrowers that fed the first wave of the financial crisis.

Miller said option-ARMs were discussed at Tuesday's meeting on mortgage scams, which brought state attorneys general from across the country together with U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, Attorney General Eric Holder, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan, and Federal Trade Commission Chairman Jon Leibowitz.

The mortgages tend to be "jumbo," or for significantly large amounts, Goddard said, making it even harder for borrowers to sidestep foreclosure. He said he expected to see an increase in scams as distressed homeowners become more desperate to refinance big debts.

Goddard said his office is investigating hundreds of cases where companies have made fraudulent promises, and charged large fees, to mortgage defaulters.

The U.S. housing market has suffered the worst downturn since the Great Depression, and its impact has rippled through the recession-hit economy.

Some signs of stabilization emerged recently, with sales rising and home price declines moderating in many regions of the country. Home prices in some regions have risen.

However, many economists say there is still a huge supply of unsold homes lingering on the market and that, coupled with a frenzy of more foreclosures ahead, should depress home prices for the rest of 2009.


Real estate data firm RealtyTrac, in its August 2009 U.S. Foreclosure Market Report, said foreclosure filings -- default notices, scheduled auctions and bank repossessions -- were reported on 358,471 U.S. properties during the month, a decrease of less than 1 percent from the previous month, but an increase of nearly 18 percent from the same month a year ago.

The report said one in every 357 U.S. housing units received a foreclosure filing last month.
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Because the new monthly payments can be five or 10 times what borrowers are accustomed to paying, they "threaten a much greater hit to the consumer than the subprimes,"

zat er aan te komen, heeft iemand nog dat grafiekje wanneer alt a piekt?
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zat er aan te komen, heeft iemand nog dat grafiekje wanneer alt a piekt?
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