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Op maandag 1 december 2008 13:13 schreef johan555 het volgende:Nogmaals buster, ga je nu antwoord geven !
En vroeg je dit :
Tegen wie heeft Natalee allemaal gezegd dat Beth "de Zus van Hitler" was Buster ?
Kan je de officiele verklaringen/documenten er van en de linkjes hier even posten ?
Als je dat niet kan neem je je uitspraak terug afgesproken ?
Dit staat ook op Hollowaycase.com. Er zijn geen officiele verklaringen van, voor zover mij bekend is.
Wel onofficiele documenten.
Op Hollowaycase.com -> Reference -> Internet Postings -> "Glenda Postings"
(the following pages contain selected postings to an Internet message board, by a poster calling herself "Glenda", who is believed to be Aruba Today editor Julia Renfro") -> Joran and Charles Croes:
12-08-2005
Charles Croes repeated in detail every word that came out of Joran's mouth that evening to Jug who then repeated to Beth who then told Julia on June 1st. Beth told Julia that a psychic told her that Natalee was a lesbian, she had only been with girls before and that she wanted to try something new, drinkin and druggin, she performed sexual acts on Joran, wanted to see the sharks and that she didn't want to be in the car with the black guys
because her mother was like hitler. Beth never mentioned Croes, just a psychic came up with that. Julia threw that info to the wind as absolutely not credible and some jerk was making up horrible stories for money and told Beth to stay away from psychics.
Charles, an American/Aruban continued to help the family for the first 10 days or so with translations, the police and the government. It was unknown to the rest of us that he actually spoke to Joran that first night. We were told that a psychic told Beth those horrible things about Natalee, not respected businessman Charles Croes.
A couple of weeks later, TJ ward interviewed, recorded and analyzed Charles Croes statement confirming that Charles Croes was telling the truth about what he heard and that Jug had told him that "they were going to burn this island down!"A couple days later, Greta interviewed Charles and Charles repeated the story again! Julia begged Greta not to air the awful stuff about Natalee. Greta replied "our viewers need to see what kind of liar Joran is!" I guess she changed her mind, because that was the most skeetered interview I've ever seen!
02-12-2006
(responding to comment: Perhaps Natalee would not take kindly to being called a lesbian?)
Perhaps you are right, but how would you know? And since we both agree that there is nothing wrong with being a lesbian, why the defense?
Anyway, Joran said to Charles Croes on the night Beth and the rest of the delegation arrived at the VDS home on the 30th of May. The quote exactly,
"She told me she was a lesbian, never been with a man and that she wanted me to be her first!"
Mon May 01, 2006 7:42 am
Charles told Greta that Natalee asked Joran for a ride, before leaving she had a brief conversation with a group of her friends. She got in the car, made slave comment and then went straight for his pants. She gave him Oral Sex in the back seat of the car and he fondled her, but that they did not have intercourse. She claimed to have never been with a man and that she had only been sexual with her girlfriend(s) -- not sure if that was meant to be plural. Charles also told Greta that that her mother was Hitler's sister's daughter, her family owns plantations where their slaves worked, she wanted to see sharks, she didn't want to go to UofA, but that she wanted to go with to school her "girlfriend". Charles told Greta that Joran told him that Natalee did not want to return to Alabama, but that she wanted to stay in Aruba. She was talking/acting wild, he thought she might have been on drugs, they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn.
Charles told the above to Beth and Posse, who labeled him as a crazy Aruban Psychic. Strange, they could have just said that Joran lied to Charles, but no, they had to discredit him so the story, whether true or not, couldn't be told.
Fri May 12, 2006 8:29 am
Joran said the first night that Natalee gave him oral sex and he fondled her in the back seat of Dpak's car. Hilter, Virgin, Lesbian, Sharks, Lighthouse, etc... Beth was telling the people that she met that a psychic told her that all happened! She never said that Joran said it.
I guess she didn't know that we would eventually find out who the psychic was and that he is not a psychic after all.
Thu May 18, 2006 2:38 pm
Yes, I am repeating what Joran told Charles and that Joran didn't decifer between all the chicks which was which, which is not unusual you'd be surprised how simple it is to get a bunch of tourists mixed up. Wink Beth told JULIA that a psychic told her that Natalee was a lesbian, that psychic wasn't a psychic after all, but instead Charles Croes who claims to be repeating Joran.
Thu May 18, 2006 9:05 am
(responding to comment: There was a "theory" that she wanted auburn because that was where a "special" girlfriend was going.) This was not a theory Walt, Natalee told this to Joran.
Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:29 pm
Yes according to Charles Croes, Joran said on May 30th that Natalee had never been with a man, she only been intimate with her girlfriend. She was upset that her mother wouldn't let her go to the same school as her girlfriend and that she didn't want to go to UofA and that she wanted to stay in Aruba with Joran or move to Austria. Beth repeated this to Julia and Angela but in the context that a psychic told her that Natalee was a lesbian without mentioning that it was Joran who told Charles. WHY DID BETH LIE ABOUT WHAT JORAN SAID, why did Beth coverup Joran's story by saying it came from an Aruban Psychic? -- which was immediately discredited.
Ehm, nou goed.
Het is een heel verhaal en GEEN OFFICIEEL STATEMENT OF OFFICIELE VERKLARING.
En het is een onofficiele verklaring die Julia Renfro zou hebben afgelegd.
En zoals iedereen weet, is zij niet de meest geliefde persoon als het gaat om deze verschrikkelijke tragedie.
Maar goed, ik probeer
kort samen te vatten hoe het verhaal was.
Het komt er op neer dat de Holloway-posse de dag na de fatale nacht bij Joran en zijn ouders op de stoep stonden en met hun hebben gepraat. Deepak was er ook bij. Charles Croes, Arubaans zakenman, was er ook en fungeerde als een soort mediator tussen de partijen.
Het komt er op neer dat Joran tegen Jug die avond/nacht heeft gezegd (en dat Jug dat vervolgens tegen Beth heeft gezegd, die dat verder doorgaf aan Julia) dat Natalee tegen Joran heeft verteld dat Natalee
"was a lesbian, had only been with girls before and that she wanted to try something new" met Joran. Joran vertelde Jug verder dat Natalee
"did not want to return to Alabama, but wanted to stay in Aruba" en dat Natalee
"was talking/acting wild". Verder zou Joran hebben gezegd dat Natalee tegen hem heeft gezegd dat Natalee
"wanted auburn because that was where a "special" girlfriend was going" en dat Natalee
"was upset that her mother wouldn't let her go to the same school as her girlfriend and that she didn't want to go to UofA and that she wanted to stay in Aruba with Joran or move to Austria". Als ik het goed heb geinterpreteerd.

En, ach, het is niet belangrijk anyway want het zijn geen officiele verklaringen/statements en het is niet vastgelegd. Voor zover ik weet althans.
En bovendien, Julia Renfro is sowieso vooringenomen en niet te vertrouwen volgens de kenners en ingewijden.

En, zelfs al zouden er officiele verklaringen over zijn geweest, dan nog zouden die niet de waarheid hoeven te bevatten, zoals ik eerder vandaag al schreef.
Dus not important anyway.
Wel entertaining, though.
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