De Islam is bijna klaar met Somalië

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 16:19 schreef schoelje het volgende:

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Terwijl "geëngageerd" Nederland zich druk maakt over de 'wandaden' van Israel tegen die zielige arabieren voltrekt zich in de hoorn van Afrika een grote ramp.

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 16:28 schreef sp3c het volgende:
het is allemaal zo simpel nog niet

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 16:28 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Veeul betah.

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 16:25 schreef OldJeller het volgende:

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Vreemd dat je hiermee komt. Als er onrecht bestaat, moet er altijd iets van worden gezegd of iets aan worden gedaan. Het is niet het één of het ander.
En wat betreft dat druk maken; waar heb je het over? Ze zeggen/doen er nauwelijks iets van/aan.

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 16:30 schreef OldJeller het volgende:

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Leg dat maar spelenderwijs aan TS uit.

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 16:30 schreef qonmann het volgende:
Er valt ook niets aan te doen, Israel kun je nog ergens op aanspreken, die hebben een regering etc.
Somalie heef niets, de plaatselijke milities hebben daar de macht.
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geldt voor veel landen daar.

Wie moet je aanspreken ?

Pas nog een documentaire (met verborgen camera) over het handelen van die regering geweest, alle vooroordelen werden weer bevestigd

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 16:38 schreef sp3c het volgende:


maar nee
allemaal islamieten dus terroristen en daar kunnen we niet mee praten natuurlijk met het voorspelde resultaat.

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 17:37 schreef sp3c het volgende:
dat hele land is een gebed zonder einde vrees ik

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"In 2006, the United States supported an alliance of Somali warlords known as the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) who established a base of operations in the western city of Baidoa. With the help of the US-backed Ethiopian army, western mercenaries, US Navy warships, and AC-130 gunships; the TFG was able capture Mogadishu and force the Islamic Courts Union (ICU) and their allies to retreat to the south. But, much like Iraq and Afghanistan, the resistance has coalesced into a tenacious guerrilla army (Al-Shabaab ) which has returned to the capital and resumed the fight making it impossible for their Ethiopian adversaries to govern."

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"The lawlessness of this particular war is astounding; the most lawless war of our generation. You know, all aggressive wars are illegal. But in this particular one, there have been violations of the UN Charter and gross violations of international human rights. But, in addition, there have been very concrete violations by the United States of two Security Council resolutions. The first one was the arms embargo imposed on Somalia, which the United States has been routinely flaunting for many years now. But then the US decided that that resolution was no longer useful, and they pushed through an appalling resolution in December, which basically gave the green light to Ethiopia to invade. They pushed through a resolution which said that the situation in Somalia was a threat to international peace and security, at a time when every independent report indicated, and Chatham Houses report on Wednesday also indicated, that the Islamic Courts Union had brought a high level of peace and stability that Somalia had not enjoyed in sixteen years. So here was the UN Security Council going along with the American demand to pass a blatantly falsified UN resolution. And that resolution actually was a violation (of the) the UN Charter. You know, the UN Charter is like the American Constitution and the Security Council is not allowed to pass laws or rules that violate the Charter. And yet, who is going to correct them?"

Salim Lone - voormalig woordvoerder V.N.-missie Irak

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 16:28 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Veeul betah.

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 16:30 schreef qonmann het volgende:
Er valt ook niets aan te doen, Israel kun je nog ergens op aanspreken, die hebben een regering etc.
Somalie heef niets, de plaatselijke milities hebben daar de macht.
etc.
geldt voor veel landen daar.

Wie moet je aanspreken ?

Pas nog een documentaire (met verborgen camera) over het handelen van die regering geweest, alle vooroordelen werden weer bevestigd

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 17:42 schreef qonmann het volgende:

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Denk het ook.
Jammer genoeg zal daar nooit meer iets opgebouwd kunnen worden, omdat het altijd afgebroken wordt
door iemand.
Hulp gaat ook niet werken want het geld zal linea recta naar de machthebbers gaan wier positie dan nog sterker wordt...

Als je ziet hoe de Hoofdstad volledig in puin ligt...

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 18:13 schreef Elfletterig het volgende:
Een overtuiging die met geweld aan de bevolking moet worden opgelegd, deugt per definitie niet. Ongeacht of die overtuiging religieus is, of bijvoorbeeld communistisch. Dat islam-extremisten zo ver kunnen oprukken in Somalië, terwijl de wereld fluitend toekijkt met de handen op de rug, is erg zorgwekkend. Mensenrechten, iemand?

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 18:36 schreef sp3c het volgende:


ik ben er nog steeds niet van overtuigd dat het om extremisten gaat ... al zitten die er wel tussen natuurlijk

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According to well-informed sources in the regions who requested anonymity, these groups instil fear among the local population.

"You keep quiet and follow the commands of the Islamists, or emigrate to neighbouring countries, or simply die and leave this world," one of them said.

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 19:13 schreef damian5700 het volgende:

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Het heeft er alle schijn van dat Al-Sahaab dat wel is.
Bovendien zit de lokale bevolking ook niet te wachten op een bewind van angst en terreur (waaronder publiekelijke straffen waaronder zweepslagen en steniging).
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/30/somalia

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Government near to collapse, says Somalia leader

President Abdullahi Yusuf of Somalia has admitted that his government is on the verge of collapse and that Islamist groups now control most of the country.

In a speech to Somali MPs gathered in the Kenyan capital Nairobi at the weekend, Yusuf said that the government only had a presence in the capital Mogadishu and in Baidoa, "and people are being killed there every day. Islamists have taken over everywhere else."

His frank admission confirms what is known but seldom publicly acknowledged by those with a stake in Somalia's future, from Ethiopia, whose continued occupation unites the different Islamist groups against a common enemy, to the UN and western countries, which have backed the warlord-heavy government for years.

The latest bout of infighting - Yusuf and his prime minister, Nur Hassan Hussein, have failed to agree a new cabinet despite a deadline from regional leaders - came as Islamist militias made rapid gains towards Mogadishu. Al-Shabaab, the most extreme and effective of the Islamist insurgent groups, took control of Elasha, nine miles from the capital, on Saturday. Al-Shabaab fighters had already captured the strategic ports towns of Merka and Barawe without firing a shot.

Though they already control many of Mogadishu's battered suburbs, a heavy Ethiopian presence is likely to stop al-Shabaab taking over the entire city. But if the government does collapse, the mission of the 3,000 African Union peacekeepers and Ethiopian troops will be redundant with no state institutions to protect. It was a point stressed by Yusuf, who urged MPs to return to Baidoa, the provisional capital, and form a new government as soon as possible, warning that it would otherwise be "every man for himself" .

"The Islamists kill city cleaners, they will not spare legislators," he said.

While atrocities by all sides have claimed thousands of lives this year alone, al-Shabaab fighters have increasingly been targeting civilians. Accused by the US of links to al-Qaida, they have adopted similar tactics. Last month five synchronised suicide bombings in autonomous Somaliland and Puntland claimed 25 lives.

The Shabaab have also employed brutal tactics to enforce their version of sharia law in some areas under their control. In Kismayo, a young woman was stoned to death for alleged adultery last month, while 32 people taking part in traditional dancing in Balad were flogged on Saturday.

Such punishments are unpopular among ordinary Somalis who have traditionally practised a moderate form of Islam. But, as happened two years ago when the Islamic Courts Union wrested control of Mogadishu from warlord rule, they have usually welcomed the restoration of security - a precious commodity in a country that has known only anarchy for 17 years.

The difference between 2006 and today is that the Islamist struggle has many different strands, which makes the outcome more dangerous, according to Bruno Schiemsky, a former chairman of the UN monitoring group investigating arms embargo violations in Somalia.

Apart from al-Shabaab, the Jabhad al-Islamiya movement, believed to be associated with the cleric Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, and the Alliance for the Re-liberation of Somalia, led by Sheik Sharif Ahmed, also control territory. The two groups' ideology is more nationalist than al-Shabaab, said Schiemsky.

"For now the three groups are united against the common enemy of Ethiopia, but when Ethiopia withdraws there will be complete fragmentation and chaos. The nightmare in Somalia is still to come."

A diplomat in Nairobi said that western governments, including his own, had been guilty of viewing Somalia as "too difficult too solve and not important enough to matter". But the failure of Yusuf's government meant fresh thinking was required on what type of authority in Somalia was acceptable to the international community.

"I don't believe that Somalia will become a Taliban-style state. We need to accept a few years of harsh Islamic rule and work with the authority that way."

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Op zondag 16 november 2008 19:58 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Allah praat tegen jou?