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Oh ja kloptquote:Op vrijdag 3 oktober 2008 03:12 schreef Bora-Bora het volgende:
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Ze was toch al sportjournalist geweest?!
. Zag er hilarisch uit.
Poll op CNN:
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quote:Who do you think will perform best in the vice presidential debate?
Joe Biden 78% 10336
Sarah Palin 22% 2946
Total Votes: 13282
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'Mevrouw Palin heeft de vraag over deregulering niet beantwoord'.
Vervolgens krijgt Palin nog een kans om de vraag te beantwoorden...
... en begint weer over... belasting?!?!
Vervolgens krijgt Palin nog een kans om de vraag te beantwoorden...
... en begint weer over... belasting?!?!
Auteur van de boeken "Van Rotterdam naar het Witte Huis" (Obama) en "Project Homerus" (DSB)
Stemmen ze daar actueel ?quote:
Ik noem een Tony van Heemschut,een Loeki Knol,een Brammetje Biesterveld en natuurlijk een Japie Stobbe !
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Tonight, Joe Biden said: "It is evidence of the fact that the economic
policies of the last eight years have been the worst economic policies
we have ever had. As a consequence, you have seen what has happened on
Wall Street. If you need anymore proof positive of how bad the economic
theories have been, this excessive deregulation, the failure to oversee
what was going on, letting Wall Street run wild, I do not think you
needed anymore evidence than what you see now. So the Congress has been
putting Democrats and Republicans, been put in a very difficult spot. "
[Vice Presidential Debate, 10/2/08]
FACT: MCCAIN HAS BEEN IN FAVOR OF MORE DEREGULATION FOR 26 YEARS AND HIS
VP NOMINEE COULDN'T NAME A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF BANKING REFORM HE HAD
FOUGHT FOR
* Palin Was Stumped When Asked for Specific Examples of McCain
Trying to Reform the Banking Industry. "But Palin seemed stumped when
pressed to cite examples of McCain trying to reform the banking
industry, beyond urging greater restrictions on Fannie Mae and Freddie
Mac. 'I'll try to find some and I'll bring them to you,' Palin said."
[Washington Post, Kurtz Column, 9/25/08
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/24/AR20080
92403664_pf.html> ]
* On the Campaign Trail in 2000, McCain Touted his 17-year
Record of Voting for Less Regulation. "Campaigning in Camden, SC, McCain
said 'I am a proud Republican conservative with a 17-year record of
voting, not rhetoric, but voting against higher taxes, for smaller
government, for less regulation.'" [Greenville News, 1/10/00]
* McCain: "I Have A Long Voting Record In Support Of
Deregulation." McCain, at a Senate Commerce Committee hearing as having
said, "I have a long voting record in support of deregulation." [St.
Petersburg Times, 6/5/03]
* McCain: "I Am A Deregulator. I Believe In Deregulation." While
speaking about the cable and satellite television during an appearance
on CNN's "On the Money," John McCain said, "I am a deregulator. I
believe in deregulation." [CNN, "In the Money," 7/13/03]
* McCain Said One of The Differences Between Obama & Himself
Would Be "More Regulation Or Less Regulation." During a media
availability in Phoenix, Arizona, John McCain said, "I think the
important thing is that there will be stark differences between either
Senator [Clinton] or Senator Obama and me because they are liberal
Democrats and I'm a conservative Republican... whether we pursue the
present strategy in Iraq or whether we - or whether we set a date for
withdrawal, which will mean Al Qaida wins; whether we have more
regulation or less regulation." [McCain Media Availability via CQ
Transcriptions, 3/3/08]
* Only Weeks Before the Bear Stearns Collapse, McCain Proclaimed
Himself a "Deregulator" and Said "I'm Always for Less Regulation."
McCain told the Wall Street Journal "As far as a need for additional
regulations are concerned, I think that depends on the legislative
agenda and what the Congress does to some degree, but I am a
fundamentally a deregulator. I'd like to see a lot of the unnecessary
government regulations eliminated, not just a moratorium."[Wall Street
Journal, 3/3/08
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120431596193503527.html?mod=Leader-US>
]
* McCain: "Let's Reduce Regulation." While speaking about the
economy in St. Louis, Missouri, John McCain said, "I'm asked all the
time are we in a recession or not in a recession. And I don't know the
answer to that because it's kind of a technical term... I do not believe
we should raise your taxes. I think it would be the worst thing we could
do. And that means to me I think the tax cuts need to be made permanent.
When you've got a bad economy, the worst thing you can do is increase
people's tax burden. Let's reduce it. Let's reduce regulation." [CNN,
3/15/08]
* In the Immediate Wake of Bear Stearns, McCain's Response Was
to Call for Less Regulation. In a major economic speech, after offering
a diagnosis of the troubles facing the housing and financial markets,
John McCain's proposed solution was less overall regulation. "In
financial institutions, there is no substitute for adequate capital to
serve as a buffer against losses. Our financial market approach should
include encouraging increased capital and financial institutions by
removing regulatory, accounting and tax impediments to raising capital."
[McCain speech, 3/25/08
<http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/bea72b48-35ba-48cb-8c
ea-b3b68b9be7ee.htm> ]
policies of the last eight years have been the worst economic policies
we have ever had. As a consequence, you have seen what has happened on
Wall Street. If you need anymore proof positive of how bad the economic
theories have been, this excessive deregulation, the failure to oversee
what was going on, letting Wall Street run wild, I do not think you
needed anymore evidence than what you see now. So the Congress has been
putting Democrats and Republicans, been put in a very difficult spot. "
[Vice Presidential Debate, 10/2/08]
FACT: MCCAIN HAS BEEN IN FAVOR OF MORE DEREGULATION FOR 26 YEARS AND HIS
VP NOMINEE COULDN'T NAME A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF BANKING REFORM HE HAD
FOUGHT FOR
* Palin Was Stumped When Asked for Specific Examples of McCain
Trying to Reform the Banking Industry. "But Palin seemed stumped when
pressed to cite examples of McCain trying to reform the banking
industry, beyond urging greater restrictions on Fannie Mae and Freddie
Mac. 'I'll try to find some and I'll bring them to you,' Palin said."
[Washington Post, Kurtz Column, 9/25/08
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/24/AR20080
92403664_pf.html> ]
* On the Campaign Trail in 2000, McCain Touted his 17-year
Record of Voting for Less Regulation. "Campaigning in Camden, SC, McCain
said 'I am a proud Republican conservative with a 17-year record of
voting, not rhetoric, but voting against higher taxes, for smaller
government, for less regulation.'" [Greenville News, 1/10/00]
* McCain: "I Have A Long Voting Record In Support Of
Deregulation." McCain, at a Senate Commerce Committee hearing as having
said, "I have a long voting record in support of deregulation." [St.
Petersburg Times, 6/5/03]
* McCain: "I Am A Deregulator. I Believe In Deregulation." While
speaking about the cable and satellite television during an appearance
on CNN's "On the Money," John McCain said, "I am a deregulator. I
believe in deregulation." [CNN, "In the Money," 7/13/03]
* McCain Said One of The Differences Between Obama & Himself
Would Be "More Regulation Or Less Regulation." During a media
availability in Phoenix, Arizona, John McCain said, "I think the
important thing is that there will be stark differences between either
Senator [Clinton] or Senator Obama and me because they are liberal
Democrats and I'm a conservative Republican... whether we pursue the
present strategy in Iraq or whether we - or whether we set a date for
withdrawal, which will mean Al Qaida wins; whether we have more
regulation or less regulation." [McCain Media Availability via CQ
Transcriptions, 3/3/08]
* Only Weeks Before the Bear Stearns Collapse, McCain Proclaimed
Himself a "Deregulator" and Said "I'm Always for Less Regulation."
McCain told the Wall Street Journal "As far as a need for additional
regulations are concerned, I think that depends on the legislative
agenda and what the Congress does to some degree, but I am a
fundamentally a deregulator. I'd like to see a lot of the unnecessary
government regulations eliminated, not just a moratorium."[Wall Street
Journal, 3/3/08
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120431596193503527.html?mod=Leader-US>
]
* McCain: "Let's Reduce Regulation." While speaking about the
economy in St. Louis, Missouri, John McCain said, "I'm asked all the
time are we in a recession or not in a recession. And I don't know the
answer to that because it's kind of a technical term... I do not believe
we should raise your taxes. I think it would be the worst thing we could
do. And that means to me I think the tax cuts need to be made permanent.
When you've got a bad economy, the worst thing you can do is increase
people's tax burden. Let's reduce it. Let's reduce regulation." [CNN,
3/15/08]
* In the Immediate Wake of Bear Stearns, McCain's Response Was
to Call for Less Regulation. In a major economic speech, after offering
a diagnosis of the troubles facing the housing and financial markets,
John McCain's proposed solution was less overall regulation. "In
financial institutions, there is no substitute for adequate capital to
serve as a buffer against losses. Our financial market approach should
include encouraging increased capital and financial institutions by
removing regulatory, accounting and tax impediments to raising capital."
[McCain speech, 3/25/08
<http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/bea72b48-35ba-48cb-8c
ea-b3b68b9be7ee.htm> ]
Auteur van de boeken "Van Rotterdam naar het Witte Huis" (Obama) en "Project Homerus" (DSB)
Palin is steeds bezig met een spreekbeurt op school. Ze antwoord niet maar lepelt ingestudeerde teksten op.
Ik noem een Tony van Heemschut,een Loeki Knol,een Brammetje Biesterveld en natuurlijk een Japie Stobbe !
Niemand leest die lappen text joh.quote:Op vrijdag 3 oktober 2008 03:15 schreef darktower het volgende:
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Tonight, Sarah Palin said: “Now, John McCain thankfully has been one representing reform. Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell. People in the Senate with him, his colleagues didn't want to listen to him, and wouldn't go towards that reform that was needed then.” [Vice Presidential Debate, 10/2/08]
The Facts: McCain Has Overstated His Warnings About Fannie And Freddie
MCCAIN’S CLAIM THAT HIS 2006 EFFORTS ON FANNIE AND FREDDIE WERE A WARNING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL MARKETS IS “QUITE A STRETCH”
McCain “Overstates The Role” He Played In Trying To Push Legislation To Reform Fannie And Freddie. “McCain overstates the role he has played [in trying to avert the financial crisis], interviews and Senate records suggest. … Last week in Iowa, he told supporters: ‘When I pushed legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Senator Obama was silent. He didn’t lift a finger to avert this crisis.’ … The 2006 legislation that the McCain campaign cites was introduced more than a year earlier, in January 2005, by Senator Chuck Hagel, Republican of Nebraska, and co-sponsored the same day by two Republican colleagues, John E. Sununu of New Hampshire and Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina. … Republicans and Democrats in the Senate familiar with the legislation and lobbyists for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac say that speech was the only action by Mr. McCain they recall on the issue. Mr. McCain ‘never took on the role that some other Republicans did’ to try to limit the companies, said a former Freddie Mac executive who later lobbied for the company until its failure. ‘I remember working against a number of amendments, and they were always introduced by Hagel and Sununu,’ said the former executive. ‘John McCain was never anywhere to be found.’” [New York Times, 9/26/08 <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26check.html?ref=politics> ]
Politifact: McCain’s Implication That His 2006 Remarks On Fannie And Freddie Were A Warning About The Financial Markets Disaster Is “Quite A Stretch” And “Barely True.” “‘If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole,’ McCain declared in a May 26, 2006, news release. … The implication in McCain's remarks is that his remarks in 2006 were in some way a warning about the financial markets disaster that struck in 2008. That strikes us as quite a stretch. … His attempts to depict those efforts as some sort of early warning that could have lessened the current credit crisis just don't wash. All McCain was talking about then was the potential fallout of accounting troubles in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He didn't say anything about a freewheeling climate among creditors that had major financial institutions becoming badly leveraged on bad loans. We rule his claim Barely True.” [Politifact, accessed: 9/19/08 <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/721/> ]
Politifact: McCain Is “A Latecomer To The Debate” Over Congressional Efforts To Increase Oversight Of Fannie And Freddie. “First of all, congressional efforts to increase oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extend back to the early 1990s, making McCain a latecomer to the debate. The regulatory efforts proved unsuccessful because of Congress’ complicated relationship with the firms, whose dominance in the home financing market makes their stability critical to the economy.” [Politifact, accessed: 9/19/08 <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/721/> ]
McCain: Admitted That He Did Not Anticipate The Housing Crisis. In a meeting with the editorial board of New Hampshire’s Keene Sentinel, McCain said “So, I’d like to tell you that I did anticipate it, but I have to give you straight talk, I did not.” [McCain Interview with editorial board of New Hampshire’s Keene Sentinel, 12/4/07, ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmIJ5Aag2Q]
MCCAIN WAS ONE OF 19 SENATORS WHO OPPOSED A BILL TO ESTABLISH AN INDEPENDENT REGULATORY AGENCY TO OVERSEE FANNIE AND FREDDIE
In 1992, McCain Opposed Establishing An Independent Regulatory Agency To Regulate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. McCain voted against the Federal Housing Regulatory Reform Act which would have created an independent regulatory agency within the Department of Housing and Urban Development to oversee the activities of Federal National Mortgage Association and Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation. The bill passed 77-19. [1992 Senate Vote #137, 7/1/92]
The Facts: McCain Has Overstated His Warnings About Fannie And Freddie
MCCAIN’S CLAIM THAT HIS 2006 EFFORTS ON FANNIE AND FREDDIE WERE A WARNING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL MARKETS IS “QUITE A STRETCH”
McCain “Overstates The Role” He Played In Trying To Push Legislation To Reform Fannie And Freddie. “McCain overstates the role he has played [in trying to avert the financial crisis], interviews and Senate records suggest. … Last week in Iowa, he told supporters: ‘When I pushed legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Senator Obama was silent. He didn’t lift a finger to avert this crisis.’ … The 2006 legislation that the McCain campaign cites was introduced more than a year earlier, in January 2005, by Senator Chuck Hagel, Republican of Nebraska, and co-sponsored the same day by two Republican colleagues, John E. Sununu of New Hampshire and Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina. … Republicans and Democrats in the Senate familiar with the legislation and lobbyists for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac say that speech was the only action by Mr. McCain they recall on the issue. Mr. McCain ‘never took on the role that some other Republicans did’ to try to limit the companies, said a former Freddie Mac executive who later lobbied for the company until its failure. ‘I remember working against a number of amendments, and they were always introduced by Hagel and Sununu,’ said the former executive. ‘John McCain was never anywhere to be found.’” [New York Times, 9/26/08 <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26check.html?ref=politics> ]
Politifact: McCain’s Implication That His 2006 Remarks On Fannie And Freddie Were A Warning About The Financial Markets Disaster Is “Quite A Stretch” And “Barely True.” “‘If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole,’ McCain declared in a May 26, 2006, news release. … The implication in McCain's remarks is that his remarks in 2006 were in some way a warning about the financial markets disaster that struck in 2008. That strikes us as quite a stretch. … His attempts to depict those efforts as some sort of early warning that could have lessened the current credit crisis just don't wash. All McCain was talking about then was the potential fallout of accounting troubles in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He didn't say anything about a freewheeling climate among creditors that had major financial institutions becoming badly leveraged on bad loans. We rule his claim Barely True.” [Politifact, accessed: 9/19/08 <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/721/> ]
Politifact: McCain Is “A Latecomer To The Debate” Over Congressional Efforts To Increase Oversight Of Fannie And Freddie. “First of all, congressional efforts to increase oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extend back to the early 1990s, making McCain a latecomer to the debate. The regulatory efforts proved unsuccessful because of Congress’ complicated relationship with the firms, whose dominance in the home financing market makes their stability critical to the economy.” [Politifact, accessed: 9/19/08 <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/721/> ]
McCain: Admitted That He Did Not Anticipate The Housing Crisis. In a meeting with the editorial board of New Hampshire’s Keene Sentinel, McCain said “So, I’d like to tell you that I did anticipate it, but I have to give you straight talk, I did not.” [McCain Interview with editorial board of New Hampshire’s Keene Sentinel, 12/4/07, ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmIJ5Aag2Q]
MCCAIN WAS ONE OF 19 SENATORS WHO OPPOSED A BILL TO ESTABLISH AN INDEPENDENT REGULATORY AGENCY TO OVERSEE FANNIE AND FREDDIE
In 1992, McCain Opposed Establishing An Independent Regulatory Agency To Regulate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. McCain voted against the Federal Housing Regulatory Reform Act which would have created an independent regulatory agency within the Department of Housing and Urban Development to oversee the activities of Federal National Mortgage Association and Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation. The bill passed 77-19. [1992 Senate Vote #137, 7/1/92]
Auteur van de boeken "Van Rotterdam naar het Witte Huis" (Obama) en "Project Homerus" (DSB)
Whehe, Palin die gaat lopen pronken over d'r belastingverlagingen en uiteraard niet zegt over d'r uitgaven, terwijl ze 2 minuten ervoor nog zal te lullen dat de overheid moet leren omgaan met geld
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Ga jij lekker facts checken meiske en jullie telex copypasten hier. Je zit hier op Fok! Niet met je linkse vriendjes in een rood cafeetje.quote:Op vrijdag 3 oktober 2008 03:14 schreef darktower het volgende:
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Als je onzin gaat tikken, zet er dan wel even een bron bij. Dit wordt natuurlijk gewoon door de tv-zender betaald, niet door de Democraten.
Journalisten wel
Auteur van de boeken "Van Rotterdam naar het Witte Huis" (Obama) en "Project Homerus" (DSB)
Wie leest die lange teksten ?
Ik niet.
Het duurt allen maar langer met scrolen.
Ik niet.
Het duurt allen maar langer met scrolen.
Ik noem een Tony van Heemschut,een Loeki Knol,een Brammetje Biesterveld en natuurlijk een Japie Stobbe !
Je klinkt als Palin... je geeft geen antwoord op de vraag: wat is je bron?quote:Op vrijdag 3 oktober 2008 03:17 schreef jmac het volgende:
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Ga jij lekker facts checken meiske en jullie telex copypasten hier. Je zit hier op Fok! Niet met je linkse vriendjes in een rood cafeetje.
Auteur van de boeken "Van Rotterdam naar het Witte Huis" (Obama) en "Project Homerus" (DSB)
Dat dus. Open desnoods een apart "facts" topic. Dit is storend.quote:
Wie leest die lange teksten ?
Ik niet.
Het duurt allen maar langer met scrolen.
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Even snel; Biden heeft weliswaar de betere argumenten, maar die waren al bekend... Palin weet het beter te vertalen naar het onwetende volk.
Biden had moeten zeggen dat belastingverhogingen onontkoombaar waren, omdat Bush de staatsschuld had laten oplopen. Een gemiste kans, zeker voor de wat meer onwetende Amerikanen. Geen van kandidaten ontkomt aan belastingverhogingen.
Biden had moeten zeggen dat belastingverhogingen onontkoombaar waren, omdat Bush de staatsschuld had laten oplopen. Een gemiste kans, zeker voor de wat meer onwetende Amerikanen. Geen van kandidaten ontkomt aan belastingverhogingen.
Liever goed bedacht dan slecht gejat.
OP gelezen?quote:Op vrijdag 3 oktober 2008 03:18 schreef Dr.Daggla het volgende:
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Dat dus. Open desnoods een apart "facts" topic. Dit is storend.
quote:Op vrijdag 3 oktober 2008 03:17 schreef jmac het volgende:
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Ga jij lekker facts checken meiske, Je zit hier op Fok! Niet met je linkse vriendjes in een rood cafeetje.
Who the fuck can sleep with all this shit going on?
quote:Op vrijdag 3 oktober 2008 03:18 schreef darktower het volgende:
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Je klinkt als Palin... je geeft geen antwoord op de vraag: wat is je bron?
Je zit echt te diep in dat wereldje. Je neemt alles in 't leven serieus.Elk tong80 topic is voor jou stof wat je gaat checken en dubbelchecken en dan op US Forums gaat posten waar niemand er een boodschap aan heeft.
PS: Palin
Uit het hoofd geleerde promotiepraatjes samen met dat lachje van haar, met bijbehorende spraakversnelling en het beklemtonen van dingen...ieuw.
Oh.
Ok.
Ok.
