Amerikaanse Presidentsverkiezingen #42: 1e debat zit erop!

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Op maandag 29 september 2008 23:04 schreef Wheelgunner het volgende:

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Wow, dat is wel een van Obama's beste tot nu toe Jammer dat het in de media overschaduwd wordt door de crisis, zou hem veel punten kunnen opleveren.

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Op dinsdag 30 september 2008 00:21 schreef Monolith het volgende:

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Vooral z'n visie op een duurzaam energiebeleid is er eentje waar wat mij betreft de Nederlandse politiek een voorbeeld aan zou kunnen nemen. In plaats van allerlei stupide heffingen en belastingen met een marginaal effect zou de overheid juist veel meer de technologische ontwikkeling moeten stimuleren aangezien dit het soort oplossingen levert dat wereldwijd zou kunnen worden toegepast en daarnaast gunstig is voor de Nederlandse economie.

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Op dinsdag 30 september 2008 00:22 schreef sneakypete het volgende:

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Ze zouden natuurlijk ook kunnen boren ipv oorlogje voeren in het M-O.

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Op dinsdag 30 september 2008 00:12 schreef Hephaistos. het volgende:
Debate camp

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Op dinsdag 30 september 2008 00:24 schreef Monolith het volgende:

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Mwoah, dat is ook maar een tijdelijke oplossing. Daarnaast is het volgens mij wel Obama die toch wat minder van het oorlogje voeren in het M-O is dan McCain.

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Op dinsdag 30 september 2008 08:12 schreef Caesu het volgende:

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Obama heeft wel erg harde taal tegen Pakistan.

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"Senator Obama and his allies in Congress infused unnecessary partisanship into the process. Now is not the time to fix the blame, it's time to fix the problem."

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Op dinsdag 30 september 2008 09:55 schreef Montov het volgende:

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Schuld van Obama, maar laten we nu niet een schuldige aanwijzen. Country first, uiteraard.

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"Now is not the time to affix the blame. It's time to fix the problem. I would hope that all our leaders, all of them, can put aside short-term political goals and do what's in the best interests of the American people."

It was an utter farce of a call for political level-headedness. The very sentence before McCain uttered those words, he lambasted "Senator Obama and his allies in Congress" for infusing "unnecessary partisanship into the process."

Ten minutes later, the Republican National Committee blasted out an email with the following subject header: "Obama Stood By, Did Nothing, And Showed No Leadership On The Bailout Negotiations."

Ten minutes after that, McCain's economic adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin blamed Democrats in the Congress for foiling the bill.

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Op maandag 29 september 2008 23:45 schreef Caesu het volgende:
McCain was voor de bailout van kameraad Bush en Paulson.
maar z'n eigen partij dus niet meer.

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Op dinsdag 30 september 2008 10:10 schreef Verbal het volgende:

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Precies: McCain: Now Is Not The Time For Blame, But I Blame Obama:
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Op dinsdag 30 september 2008 10:10 schreef Verbal het volgende:

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Precies: McCain: Now Is Not The Time For Blame, But I Blame Obama:
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Op dinsdag 30 september 2008 10:57 schreef Monolith het volgende:

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Is er eigenlijk ergens een overzicht te vinden van het stemgedrag naar partij over dit voorstel? Ik vraag me af of het wel zozeer de 'allies of Obama' zijn die hier tegen hebben gestemd.

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Op dinsdag 30 september 2008 11:01 schreef Rock_de_Braziliaan het volgende:

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Het is echt te sneu voor woorden. Tenenkrommend.

John and Sarah No Fred and Ginger

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Gov. Palin and I agree that you don't announce that you're going to attack another country.

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Op zondag 28 september 2008 18:41 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Trouwens, zelfs inhoudelijk, op dat punt, slaat McCain wartaal uit. Er zit geen logica in. We zouden het doen, maar niet aankondigen, maar dan... kondig je het nu toch aan? Dan kondig je toch aan dat je het zou doen als het nodig is? Of...? Wartaal.

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Friends,

Everyone said the bill would pass. The masters of the universe were already making celebratory dinner reservations at Manhattan's finest restaurants. Personal shoppers in Dallas and Atlanta were dispatched to do the early Christmas gifting. Mad Men of Chicago and Miami were popping corks and toasting each other long before the morning latte run.

But what they didn't know was that hundreds of thousands of Americans woke up yesterday morning and decided it was time for revolt. The politicians never saw it coming. Millions of phone calls and emails hit Congress so hard it was as if Marshall Dillon, Elliot Ness and Dog the Bounty Hunter had descended on D.C. to stop the looting and arrest the thieves.

The Corporate Crime of the Century was halted by a vote of 228 to 205. It was rare and historic; no one could remember a time when a bill supported by the president and the leadership of both parties went down in defeat. That just never happens.

A lot of people are wondering why the right wing of the Republican Party joined with the left wing of the Democratic Party in voting down the thievery. Forty percent of Democrats and two-thirds of Republicans voted against the bill.

Here's what happened:

The presidential race may still be close in the polls, but the Congressional races are pointing toward a landslide for the Democrats. Few dispute the prediction that the Republicans are in for a whoopin' on November 4th. Up to 30 Republican House seats could be lost in what would be a stunning repudiation of their agenda.

The Republican reps are so scared of losing their seats, when this "financial crisis" reared its head two weeks ago, they realized they had just been handed their one and only chance to separate themselves from Bush before the election, while doing something that would make them look like they were on the side of "the people."

Watching C-Span yesterday morning was one of the best comedy shows I'd seen in ages. There they were, one Republican after another who had backed the war and sunk the country into record debt, who had voted to kill every regulation that would have kept Wall Street in check -- there they were, now crying foul and standing up for the little guy! One after another, they stood at the microphone on the House floor and threw Bush under the bus, under the train (even though they had voted to kill off our nation's trains, too), heck, they would've thrown him under the rising waters of the Lower Ninth Ward if they could've conjured up another hurricane. You know how your dog acts when sprayed by a skunk? He howls and runs around trying to shake it off, rubbing and rolling himself on every piece of your carpet, trying to get rid of the stench. That's what it looked like on the Republican side of the aisle yesterday, and it was a sight to behold.

The 95 brave Dems who broke with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were the real heroes, just like those few who stood up and voted against the war in October of 2002. Watch the remarks from yesterday of Reps. Marcy Kaptur, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Dennis Kucinich. They spoke the truth.

The Dems who voted for the giveaway did so mostly because they were scared by the threats of Wall Street, that if the rich didn't get their handout, the market would go nuts and then it's bye-bye stock-based pension and retirement funds.

And guess what? That's exactly what Wall Street did! The largest, single-day drop in the Dow in the history of the New York Stock exchange. The news anchors last night screamed it out: Americans just lost 1.2 trillion dollars in the stock market!! It's a financial Pearl Harbor! The sky is falling! Bird flu! Killer Bees!

Of course, sane people know that nobody "lost" anything yesterday, that stocks go up and down and this too shall pass because the rich will now buy low, hold, then sell off, then buy low again.

But for now, Wall Street and its propaganda arm (the networks and media it owns) will continue to try and scare the bejesus out of you. It will be harder to get a loan. Some people will lose their jobs. A weak nation of wimps won't last long under this torture. Or will we? Is this our line in the sand?

Here's my guess: The Democratic leadership in the House secretly hoped all along that this lousy bill would go down. With Bush's proposals shredded, the Dems knew they could then write their own bill that favors the average American, not the upper 10% who were hoping for another kegger of gold.

So the ball is in the Democrats' hands. The gun from Wall Street remains at their head. Before they make their next move, let me tell you what the media kept silent about while this bill was being debated:

1. The bailout bill had NO enforcement provisions for the so-called oversight group that was going to monitor Wall Street's spending of the $700 billion;

2. It had NO penalties, fines or imprisonment for any executive who might steal any of the people's money;

3. It did NOTHING to force banks and lenders to rewrite people's mortgages to avoid foreclosures -- this bill would not have stopped ONE foreclosure!;

4. It had NO teeth anywhere in the entire piece of legislation, using words like "suggested" when referring to the government being paid back for the bailout;

5. Over 200 economists wrote to Congress and said this bill might actually WORSEN the "financial crisis" and cause even MORE of a meltdown.

Put a fork in this slab of pork. It's over. Now it is time for our side to state very clearly the laws WE want passed. I will send you my proposals later today. We've bought ourselves less than 72 hours.