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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:20 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Ik kan trouwens geen direct citaat vinden van Kofi Annan waarin Srebrenica beschreven wordt als "de zwartste bladzij uit de geschiedenis van de VN". Iemand?

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:22 schreef Hrvat het volgende:

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Beschermen?
Sorry, maar dat noemt niemand beschermen.

De VN is trouwens hier onlangs nog voor de rechter gedaagd, maar die zijn vrijgesproken, niet omwille van feiten maar owv onschendbaarheid.

De Nederlanders hebben dan wel hun best willen doen, de VN had in dat verhaal duidelijk zijn keutel ingetrokken en de andere kant uitgekeken.

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 08:38 schreef Xith het volgende:

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Verder, het is een consensus dat de serviers 90% van de oorlogsmisdaden pleegden, misschien dat daar de bias vandaan komt?

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:09 schreef RonaldRegen het volgende:

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Het is vooral een politieke consensus. De onderzoekers hebben juist hun bedenkingen, maar spreken die niet publiekelijk uit omdat ze daarmee hun hele carrière kunnen ruïneren.

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:25 schreef JohnDope het volgende:

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http://www.google.nl/sear(...)schiedenis+van+de+VN

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:27 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Waar zei Kofi Annan dat, waarin schreef hij dat? Het enige wat ik kan vinden is dat Kofi Annan een rechter citeert: "These are truly scenes from hell, written on the darkest pages of human history". Dat is duidelijk wat anders dan "door voormalig VN-secretaris-generaal Kofi Annan omschreven als 'de zwartste bladzij uit de geschiedenis van de VN'.", dus JohnDope, heb jij toevallig nog een direct citaat?

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:18 schreef Hrvat het volgende:

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Spijtig voor jou, maar er zijn geen jugoslaven meer!

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:25 schreef Klopkoek het volgende:

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Ik vind dat soort complotdenken weinig overtuigend. Welk belang heb je erbij om het maar half te beschermen? En waarom maar half beschermen als je het ook helemaal NIET kunt doen?

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:33 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Ik vraag mij dus af of Kofi Annan dat daadwerkelijk zo gezegd heeft. Het kan natuurlijk gewoon niet waar zijn.

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:32 schreef Hrvat het volgende:

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Verdiep je eens meer in het hele verhaal vriend.
Niks complot, maar realiteit.

En waarom?
Slechte voorbereiding, verkeerde taakafbakening, het hele diplomatieke/politieke spel achter de schermen tussen VN en de serviers, bill clinton die tijdens een blowjob bessingen nam, who knows.
Waarschijnlijk van alles hiervan iets.

Maar afwimpelen al zou het een complottheorie zijn en de VN zich met totale voorbereiding, met volle middelen, met alle wil en volledig onafhankelijk van politieke druk is het naiefste wat ik tot nu toe gehoord heb.

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C.I.A. Report on Bosnia Blames Serbs for 90% of the War Crimes
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By ROGER COHEN
Published: March 9, 1995
In what is believed to be the most comprehensive United States assessment of atrocities in Bosnia, the Central Intelligence Agency has concluded that 90 percent of the acts of "ethnic cleansing" were carried out by Serbs and that leading Serbian politicians almost certainly played a role in the crimes.

The C.I.A. report, based on aerial photography and what one senior official called "an enormous amount of precise technical analysis," also concludes that while war crimes were by no means committed exclusively by Serbs, they were the only party involved in a systematic attempt to eliminate all traces of other ethnic groups from their territory.

The report, which is so sensitive one official said it was classified at "an obscene level," was completed early this year. One reason for the highly secret classification may be that it comes as the United States and its European allies have embraced the Serbian President, Slobodan Milosevic, as a potential peacemaker. The Administration may fear that wide dissemination of the report could cause Mr. Milosevic to cease his cooperation, since the C.I.A.'s conclusions suggest that he is extremely ill-fitted for the role of peacemaker.

The report's contents were made available to The New York Times by three American officials -- one in Europe and two in Washington -- whose accounts of it coincided. Two expressed unhappiness with the way American policy has evolved.

Mark Mansfield, a spokesman for the C.I.A., said, "We do not comment on classified reports." But people close to the agency said the report has been submitted to senior officials at the Pentagon, the State Department and the National Security Council.

One official, reading from notes he took from the report, quoted it as saying, "Serbs carried out at least 90 percent of the ethnic cleansings in Bosnia." Ethnic cleansing generally describes the practice, common in the Bosnian war, of killing, forcibly evicting and persecuting ethnic groups other than one's own.

The report, the official said, continued by saying no "conclusive evidence" had been found of the direct involvement of Serbian leaders in the planning and execution of large-scale ethnic cleansing.

"But," the report added, "the systematic nature of the Serbian actions strongly suggests that Pale and perhaps Belgrade exercised a carefully veiled role in the purposeful destruction and dispersal of non-Serb populations." The Bosnian Serb headquarters is in Pale.

The report, the officials said, also contains specific evidence that some Bosnian Serb leaders -- including Radovan Karadzic -- knew of the concentration camps through which many Muslims and Croats who had been evicted from their homes in 1992 were processed.

Mr. Milosevic and Dr. Karadzic have consistently denied responsibility for the killing and imprisonment of Muslims in the 70 percent of Bosnia now held by Serbs. In an interview in December, Dr. Karadzic attributed the departure of nearly three-quarters of a million Muslims from this area to "chaos and fear" in an uncontrollable war.

The ethnic cleansing of Muslims and Croats cited in the report took place throughout the area now controlled by Serbs. It was particularly intense in towns, including Prijedor, Banja Luka, Zvornik, Bijeljina, Vlasenica, Foca and Trebinje.

The report makes nonsense of the view -- now consistently put forward by western European governments and intermittently by the Clinton Administration -- that the Bosnian conflict is a civil war for which guilt should be divided between Serbs, Croats and Muslims.

This argument has increasingly been used by countries -- particularly Britain and France -- that have been opposed to any Western military intervention in the Bosnian conflict. The Administration has also made the argument as it has backed away from its initial proposals to counter "Serbian aggression."

"To those who think the parties are equally guilty, this report is pretty devastating," one official said. "The scale of what the Serbs did is so different. But more than that, it makes clear with concrete evidence that there was a conscious, coherent and systematic Serbian policy to get rid of Muslims, through murders, torture and imprisonment."

The Administration has veered back and forth on the degree of Serbian guilt. In 1993, Secretary of State Warren Christopher suggested that all three sides shared responsibility, telling the House Foreign Affairs Committee, "You'll find indications of atrocities by all three of the major parties against each other."

But more recently, the Administration has guardedly returned to the argument that the war is rooted in a premeditated Serbian attack on Bosnia's Muslim population.

The officials said the report had prompted what one called "a quiet mini-firestorm of negative reaction in the Pentagon among people who see it as an effort to bring Americans into the conflict."

One official described the report as "very objective and straightforward" and argued that a "sanitized version," from which some aerial photographs and other indications of the C.I.A.'s methods had been removed, should be made public.

The report, an attempt to collate and analyze all the evidence on the war known to the intelligence agency, says Muslims and Croats also committed atrocities, some of them of great ferocity. But it concludes that these actions "lack the intensity, sustained orchestration and scale of what the Bosnian Serbs did."

During the fighting between Bosnian Muslims and Croats in 1993, both sides engaged in ethnic cleansing, and the Croats opened several concentration camps for Muslims, mainly around Mostar. Bosnian Serbs have also been hounded from their homes, mainly in central Bosnian towns like Zenica.

Richard Goldstone, the judge leading the investigations of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, has said two conditions must be met for political leaders to be indicted for war crimes: Did they know about the crimes? Did they have the ability to stop them?

Two officials said that, on the basis of these criteria, the report suggested virtually conclusively that Serbian leaders could be indicted.

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:31 schreef Xith het volgende:

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En al die 'Joegoslaven op fok!' topics dan?

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:45 schreef Klopkoek het volgende:
Dat is diezelfde club die ook zo goed 11 september aan zagen komen en het gevaar van Sadam Hussein adequaat inschatten.

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:45 schreef Klopkoek het volgende:
CIA

Dat is diezelfde club die ook zo goed 11 september aan zagen komen en het gevaar van Sadam Hussein adequaat inschatten.

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:53 schreef JohnDope het volgende:

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En normaliter heeft Xith de schurft aan de CIA/Amerika, maar nu het helemaal in zijn straatje past, gebruikt hij het als bron

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:56 schreef Pappie_Culo het volgende:
Heerlijk weer weken lang ongenuanceerd gebral van alle kanten

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het was juist de CIA die, tegen Bush's wil, vertelden dat Saddam wel eens helemaal geen WMD's zou hebben

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 10:45 schreef Klopkoek het volgende:
CIA

Dat is diezelfde club die ook zo goed 11 september aan zagen komen en het gevaar van Sadam Hussein adequaat inschatten.