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Nee. Ik vind enochiaanse magie geen zwarte magie. Het is krachtig, maar mijns inziens niet zwart.quote:Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 21:46 schreef Ali_Kannibali het volgende:
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Dat is toch ook zwarte magie? Wat wordt er allemaal over geschreven?
En Haus, wat is je mening over mij laatste post over engelen dan?
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Waarom vraag je dat? Ik neem aan dat je ook zelf kunt bedenken dat ik het leuk vind.quote:Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 23:22 schreef STORMSEEKER het volgende:
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Waarom post jij de hele tijd in superscript?
Je wil gewoon interessant doen.
Winnaar van de POL Ton Elias Trofee - Beste nieuwkomer in '08
Atheïst - Conservatief - Republikeins - Realist. Duidelijk?
Atheïst - Conservatief - Republikeins - Realist. Duidelijk?
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Winnaar van de POL Ton Elias Trofee - Beste nieuwkomer in '08
Atheïst - Conservatief - Republikeins - Realist. Duidelijk?
Atheïst - Conservatief - Republikeins - Realist. Duidelijk?
Links-liberaal zijn
Dat is jezelf in de pols snijden en daarna in de fik steken.
Dat is jezelf in de pols snijden en daarna in de fik steken.
Winnaar van de POL Ton Elias Trofee - Beste nieuwkomer in '08
Atheïst - Conservatief - Republikeins - Realist. Duidelijk?
Atheïst - Conservatief - Republikeins - Realist. Duidelijk?
Even ontopic.
Ik heb tot nu toe weinig posts gelezen wat echt gaat over de leer van de rozenkruisers. Dit hoort mijns inziens meer in TRU.
Ik heb tot nu toe weinig posts gelezen wat echt gaat over de leer van de rozenkruisers. Dit hoort mijns inziens meer in TRU.
Hier wel een interessant stukje erover:
Rosicrucianism
Julia Phillips
Esoteric Legend: the Rosicrucians were founded by Pharoah Thothmes
III in the fifteenth century BC. The Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne
was said to have founded a Rosicrucian lodge at Toulouse in the 9th
century AD, and in 898 AD a second lodge was founded. Around 1000 AD a
group of heretical Catholic monks established the first Rosicrucian
college which flourished until the 16th century. It has also been
claimed that the Brotherhood of the Rose Cross was founded by Templars
after their order was disbanded by Pope Clement.
Historical story: The Fama Fraternitatis appeared in 1614 (written
in 1610), describing the foundation and purpose of the Society (Broth-
erhood) of the Rose Cross. This related that a Father CRC, born in
1378, a German, poor but from a rich and noble family, made a pilgrim-
age to Jerusalem. He remained at Damascus through ill-health, and
studied there. He later travelled to Damcar, where he was trained by
the Arabs, and translated the book "M" into the Latin tongue. He then
travelled to Fez, and after two years to Spain, where meeting with
ridicule, he returned to Germany.
After five years he calledthree of his bretheren to him,bound them
by an oath, and then founded the "Fraternity of the Rose Cross". They
later initiated another four members, and decided to spread the word
to other countries. Their by-laws were that they should heal the sick
without charge; wear the clothes of the country they visited; every
year upon a certain date should meet, or be represented, in the "House
of the Holy Spirit"; each should search for a worthy replacement for
when he dies; that the letters R.C. would be their mark; that the
Order would remain secret for 100 years. It was later also decided
that burial places would be kept a secret.
It is known thatJohann Valentin Andreae, a Germantheologian, wrote
at least one of the so-called Rosicrucian documents, but how much can
be laid at his door is not known. It is also an esoteric legend (with
some grounds in fact) that whilst an historical character called
Andraea did in fact exist, that the Rosicrucian writings attributed to
that person were in fact the work of Sir Francis Bacon. The three
major objects of the Rosicrucian Fraternity are:
1) The abolition of all monarchical forms of government and the
substitution therefor of the rulership of the philosophic elect. (This
demonstrates that the Rociscrucians are, in fact, Platonic, despite
their proclaiming themselves Christians.)
2) The reformation of science,philosophy and ethics. (Materialarts
and sciences are shadows of the divine wisdom; only by penetrating the
mysteries of nature can man attain reality and understanding.)
3) The discovery of the Universal Medicine, or panacea, for all
forms of disease.
In 1646 Elias Ashmoleand astrologer William Lilly foundeda Rosicr-
ucian lodge in London based upon a utopian ideal of the creation of a
new Atlantis.
Rosicrucianism
Julia Phillips
Esoteric Legend: the Rosicrucians were founded by Pharoah Thothmes
III in the fifteenth century BC. The Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne
was said to have founded a Rosicrucian lodge at Toulouse in the 9th
century AD, and in 898 AD a second lodge was founded. Around 1000 AD a
group of heretical Catholic monks established the first Rosicrucian
college which flourished until the 16th century. It has also been
claimed that the Brotherhood of the Rose Cross was founded by Templars
after their order was disbanded by Pope Clement.
Historical story: The Fama Fraternitatis appeared in 1614 (written
in 1610), describing the foundation and purpose of the Society (Broth-
erhood) of the Rose Cross. This related that a Father CRC, born in
1378, a German, poor but from a rich and noble family, made a pilgrim-
age to Jerusalem. He remained at Damascus through ill-health, and
studied there. He later travelled to Damcar, where he was trained by
the Arabs, and translated the book "M" into the Latin tongue. He then
travelled to Fez, and after two years to Spain, where meeting with
ridicule, he returned to Germany.
After five years he calledthree of his bretheren to him,bound them
by an oath, and then founded the "Fraternity of the Rose Cross". They
later initiated another four members, and decided to spread the word
to other countries. Their by-laws were that they should heal the sick
without charge; wear the clothes of the country they visited; every
year upon a certain date should meet, or be represented, in the "House
of the Holy Spirit"; each should search for a worthy replacement for
when he dies; that the letters R.C. would be their mark; that the
Order would remain secret for 100 years. It was later also decided
that burial places would be kept a secret.
It is known thatJohann Valentin Andreae, a Germantheologian, wrote
at least one of the so-called Rosicrucian documents, but how much can
be laid at his door is not known. It is also an esoteric legend (with
some grounds in fact) that whilst an historical character called
Andraea did in fact exist, that the Rosicrucian writings attributed to
that person were in fact the work of Sir Francis Bacon. The three
major objects of the Rosicrucian Fraternity are:
1) The abolition of all monarchical forms of government and the
substitution therefor of the rulership of the philosophic elect. (This
demonstrates that the Rociscrucians are, in fact, Platonic, despite
their proclaiming themselves Christians.)
2) The reformation of science,philosophy and ethics. (Materialarts
and sciences are shadows of the divine wisdom; only by penetrating the
mysteries of nature can man attain reality and understanding.)
3) The discovery of the Universal Medicine, or panacea, for all
forms of disease.
In 1646 Elias Ashmoleand astrologer William Lilly foundeda Rosicr-
ucian lodge in London based upon a utopian ideal of the creation of a
new Atlantis.
Ik heb ook een hekel aan het woord Links vanwege de negatieve assocaties die ik daarbij heb. Echter, historisch gezien, is er niets mis met het woord 'links'.quote:Op zaterdag 12 juli 2008 00:36 schreef Scaurus het volgende:
Links-liberaal zijn
Dat is jezelf in de pols snijden en daarna in de fik steken.
Maar goed, Scaurus, ben je ook in staat om on topic te posten?
Significantie van de zon in Rosicrucianisme:
Recognizing the sun as the supreme benefactor of the material world, Hermetists believed that there was a spiritual sun which ministered to the needs of the invisible and divine part of Nature--human and universal. Anent this subject, the great Paracelsus wrote: "There is an earthly sun, which is the cause of all heat, and all who are able to see may see the sun; and those who are blind and cannot see him may feel his heat. There is an Eternal Sun, which is the source of all wisdom, and those whose spiritual senses have awakened to life will see that sun and be conscious of His existence; but those who have not attained spiritual consciousness may yet feel His power by an inner faculty which is called Intuition."
Certain Rosicrucian scholars have given special appellations to these three phases of the sun: the spiritual sun they called Vulcan; the soular and intellectual sun, Christ and Lucifer respectively; and the material sun, the Jewish Demiurgus Jehovah. Lucifer here represents the intellectual mind without the illumination of the spiritual mind; therefore it is "the false light. " The false light is finally overcome and redeemed by the true light of the soul, called the Second Logos or Christ. The secret processes by which the Luciferian intellect is transmuted into the Christly intellect constitute one of the great secrets of alchemy, and are symbolized by the process of transmuting base metals into gold.
In the rare treatise The Secret Symbols of The Rosicrucians, Franz Hartmann defines the sun alchemically as: "The symbol of Wisdom. The Centre of Power or Heart of things. The Sun is a centre of energy and a storehouse of power. Each living being contains within itself a centre of life, which may grow to be a Sun. In the heart of the regenerated, the divine power, stimulated by the Light of the Logos, grows into a Sun which illuminates his mind." In a note, the same author amplifies his description by adding: "The terrestrial sun is the image or reflection of the invisible celestial sun; the former is in the realm of Spirit what the latter is in the realm of Matter; but the latter receives its power from the former."
In the majority of cases, the religions of antiquity agree that the material visible sun was a reflector rather than a source of power. The sun was sometimes represented as a shield carried on the arm of the Sun God, as for example, Frey, the Scandinavian Solar Deity. This sun reflected the light of the invisible spiritual sun, which was the true source of life, light, and truth. The physical nature of the universe is receptive; it is a realm of effects. The invisible causes of these effects belong to the spiritual world. Hence, the spiritual world is the sphere of causation; the material world is the sphere of effects; while the intellectual--or soul--world is the sphere of mediation. Thus Christ, the personified higher intellect and soul nature, is called "the Mediator" who, by virtue of His position and power, says: "No man cometh to the Father, but by me."
What the sun is to the solar system, the spirit is to the bodies of man; for his natures, organs, and functions are as planets surrounding the central life (or sun) and living upon its emanations. The solar power in man is divided into three parts, which are termed the threefold human spirit of man. All three of these spiritual natures are said to be radiant and transcendent; united, they form the Divinity in man. Man's threefold lower nature--consisting of his physical organism, his emotional nature, and his mental faculties--reflects the light of his threefold Divinity and bears witness of It in the physical world. Man's three bodies are symbolized by an upright triangle; his threefold spiritual nature by an inverted triangle. These two triangles, when united in the form of a six-pointed star, were called by the Jews "the Star of David," "the Signet of Solomon," and are more commonly known today as "the Star of Zion." These triangles symbolize the spiritual and material universes linked together in the constitution of the human creature, who partakes of both Nature and Divinity. Man's animal nature partakes of the earth; his divine nature of the heavens; his human nature of the mediator.
THE CELESTIAL INHABITANTS OF THE SUN
The Rosicrucians and the Illuminati, describing the angels, archangels, and other celestial creatures, declared that they resembled small suns, being centers of radiant energy surrounded by streamers of Vrilic force. From these outpouring streamers of force is derived the popular belief that angels have wings. These wings are corona-like fans of light, by means of which the celestial creatures propel themselves through the subtle essences of the superphysical worlds.
True mystics are unanimous in their denial of the theory that the angels and archangels are human in form, as so often pictured. A human figure would be utterly useless in the ethereal substances through which they manifest. Science has long debated the probability of the other planers being inhabited. Objections to the idea are based upon the argument that creatures with human organisms could nor possibly exist in the environments of Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, and Neptune. This argument fails to take into account Nature's universal law of adjustment to environment. The ancients asserted that life originated from the sun, and that everything when bathed in the light of the solar orb was capable of absorbing the solar life elements and later radiating them as flora and fauna. One philosophical concept regarded the sun as a parent and the planers as embryos still connected to the solar body by means of ethereal umbilical cords which served as channels to convey life and nourishment to the planets.
Manley Palmer Hall - The Secret Teachings of All Ages. p52-53
Recognizing the sun as the supreme benefactor of the material world, Hermetists believed that there was a spiritual sun which ministered to the needs of the invisible and divine part of Nature--human and universal. Anent this subject, the great Paracelsus wrote: "There is an earthly sun, which is the cause of all heat, and all who are able to see may see the sun; and those who are blind and cannot see him may feel his heat. There is an Eternal Sun, which is the source of all wisdom, and those whose spiritual senses have awakened to life will see that sun and be conscious of His existence; but those who have not attained spiritual consciousness may yet feel His power by an inner faculty which is called Intuition."
Certain Rosicrucian scholars have given special appellations to these three phases of the sun: the spiritual sun they called Vulcan; the soular and intellectual sun, Christ and Lucifer respectively; and the material sun, the Jewish Demiurgus Jehovah. Lucifer here represents the intellectual mind without the illumination of the spiritual mind; therefore it is "the false light. " The false light is finally overcome and redeemed by the true light of the soul, called the Second Logos or Christ. The secret processes by which the Luciferian intellect is transmuted into the Christly intellect constitute one of the great secrets of alchemy, and are symbolized by the process of transmuting base metals into gold.
In the rare treatise The Secret Symbols of The Rosicrucians, Franz Hartmann defines the sun alchemically as: "The symbol of Wisdom. The Centre of Power or Heart of things. The Sun is a centre of energy and a storehouse of power. Each living being contains within itself a centre of life, which may grow to be a Sun. In the heart of the regenerated, the divine power, stimulated by the Light of the Logos, grows into a Sun which illuminates his mind." In a note, the same author amplifies his description by adding: "The terrestrial sun is the image or reflection of the invisible celestial sun; the former is in the realm of Spirit what the latter is in the realm of Matter; but the latter receives its power from the former."
In the majority of cases, the religions of antiquity agree that the material visible sun was a reflector rather than a source of power. The sun was sometimes represented as a shield carried on the arm of the Sun God, as for example, Frey, the Scandinavian Solar Deity. This sun reflected the light of the invisible spiritual sun, which was the true source of life, light, and truth. The physical nature of the universe is receptive; it is a realm of effects. The invisible causes of these effects belong to the spiritual world. Hence, the spiritual world is the sphere of causation; the material world is the sphere of effects; while the intellectual--or soul--world is the sphere of mediation. Thus Christ, the personified higher intellect and soul nature, is called "the Mediator" who, by virtue of His position and power, says: "No man cometh to the Father, but by me."
What the sun is to the solar system, the spirit is to the bodies of man; for his natures, organs, and functions are as planets surrounding the central life (or sun) and living upon its emanations. The solar power in man is divided into three parts, which are termed the threefold human spirit of man. All three of these spiritual natures are said to be radiant and transcendent; united, they form the Divinity in man. Man's threefold lower nature--consisting of his physical organism, his emotional nature, and his mental faculties--reflects the light of his threefold Divinity and bears witness of It in the physical world. Man's three bodies are symbolized by an upright triangle; his threefold spiritual nature by an inverted triangle. These two triangles, when united in the form of a six-pointed star, were called by the Jews "the Star of David," "the Signet of Solomon," and are more commonly known today as "the Star of Zion." These triangles symbolize the spiritual and material universes linked together in the constitution of the human creature, who partakes of both Nature and Divinity. Man's animal nature partakes of the earth; his divine nature of the heavens; his human nature of the mediator.
THE CELESTIAL INHABITANTS OF THE SUN
The Rosicrucians and the Illuminati, describing the angels, archangels, and other celestial creatures, declared that they resembled small suns, being centers of radiant energy surrounded by streamers of Vrilic force. From these outpouring streamers of force is derived the popular belief that angels have wings. These wings are corona-like fans of light, by means of which the celestial creatures propel themselves through the subtle essences of the superphysical worlds.
True mystics are unanimous in their denial of the theory that the angels and archangels are human in form, as so often pictured. A human figure would be utterly useless in the ethereal substances through which they manifest. Science has long debated the probability of the other planers being inhabited. Objections to the idea are based upon the argument that creatures with human organisms could nor possibly exist in the environments of Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, and Neptune. This argument fails to take into account Nature's universal law of adjustment to environment. The ancients asserted that life originated from the sun, and that everything when bathed in the light of the solar orb was capable of absorbing the solar life elements and later radiating them as flora and fauna. One philosophical concept regarded the sun as a parent and the planers as embryos still connected to the solar body by means of ethereal umbilical cords which served as channels to convey life and nourishment to the planets.
Manley Palmer Hall - The Secret Teachings of All Ages. p52-53
Ik heb eigenlijk me nooit zo verdiept in het verschijnen van engelen in de bijbel. Er wordt vaak over vuur gesproken, en de vraag is natuurlijk hoe je dit moet opvatten. Het doet mij een beetje denken aan die brandende braamstruik van Mozes, die vervuld is van vuur en niet verteerd wordt. Dat neem ik persoonlijk niet letterlijkquote:Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 21:01 schreef STORMSEEKER het volgende:
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Nou de 2 reeds aangehaalde teksten geven aan dat mensen lager zijn dan engelen maar hier zijn nog een aantal teksten waaruit blijkt wat voor kracht en macht deze wezens hebben. Bovenmenselijke kracht.
Zal nog es goed naar die teksten kijken, vind het wel interessant eik
Ik schrijf boeken over wetenschap en filosofie!
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The Fraternity of the Rose Cross
WHO were the Rosicrucians? Were they an organization of profound thinkers rebelling against the inquisitional religious and philosophical limitations of their time or were they isolated transcendentalists united only by the similarity of their viewpoints and deductions? Where was the "House of the Holy Spirit, " in which, according to their manifestoes, they met once a year to plan the future activities of their Order? Who was the mysterious person referred to as "Our Illustrious Father and Brother C.R.C."? Did those three letters actually stand for the words "Christian Rosie Cross"? Was Christian Rosencreutz, the supposed author of the Chymical Nuptials, the same person who with three others founded "The Society of the Rose Cross"?
What relationship existed between Rosicrucianism and mediæval Freemasonry? Why were the destinies of these two organizations so closely interwoven? Is the "Brotherhood of the Rose Cross" the much-sought-after link connecting the Freemasonry of the Middle Ages with the symbolism and mysticism of antiquity, and are its secrets being perpetuated by modern Masonry? Did the original Rosicrucian Order disintegrate in the latter part of the eighteenth century, or does the Society still exist as an organization, maintaining the same secrecy for which it was originally famous? What was the true purpose for which the "Brotherhood of the Rose Cross" was formed? Were the Rosicrucians a religious and philosophic brotherhood, as they claimed to be, or were their avowed tenets a blind to conceal the true object of the Fraternity, which possibly was the political control of Europe? These are some of the problems involved in the study of Rosicrucianism.
There are four distinct theories regarding the Rosicrucian enigma. Each is the result of a careful consideration of the evidence by scholars who have spent their lives ransacking the archives of Hermetic lore. The conclusions reached demonstrate clearly the inadequacy of the records available concerning the genesis and early activities of the "Brethren of the Rose Cross."
Hele artikel: http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta33.htm
WHO were the Rosicrucians? Were they an organization of profound thinkers rebelling against the inquisitional religious and philosophical limitations of their time or were they isolated transcendentalists united only by the similarity of their viewpoints and deductions? Where was the "House of the Holy Spirit, " in which, according to their manifestoes, they met once a year to plan the future activities of their Order? Who was the mysterious person referred to as "Our Illustrious Father and Brother C.R.C."? Did those three letters actually stand for the words "Christian Rosie Cross"? Was Christian Rosencreutz, the supposed author of the Chymical Nuptials, the same person who with three others founded "The Society of the Rose Cross"?
What relationship existed between Rosicrucianism and mediæval Freemasonry? Why were the destinies of these two organizations so closely interwoven? Is the "Brotherhood of the Rose Cross" the much-sought-after link connecting the Freemasonry of the Middle Ages with the symbolism and mysticism of antiquity, and are its secrets being perpetuated by modern Masonry? Did the original Rosicrucian Order disintegrate in the latter part of the eighteenth century, or does the Society still exist as an organization, maintaining the same secrecy for which it was originally famous? What was the true purpose for which the "Brotherhood of the Rose Cross" was formed? Were the Rosicrucians a religious and philosophic brotherhood, as they claimed to be, or were their avowed tenets a blind to conceal the true object of the Fraternity, which possibly was the political control of Europe? These are some of the problems involved in the study of Rosicrucianism.
There are four distinct theories regarding the Rosicrucian enigma. Each is the result of a careful consideration of the evidence by scholars who have spent their lives ransacking the archives of Hermetic lore. The conclusions reached demonstrate clearly the inadequacy of the records available concerning the genesis and early activities of the "Brethren of the Rose Cross."
Hele artikel: http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta33.htm
Dat jij het niet letterlijk neemt wil natuurlijk niet zeggen dat het per se niet letterlijk is.quote:Op zaterdag 12 juli 2008 12:11 schreef Haushofer het volgende:
Ik heb eigenlijk me nooit zo verdiept in het verschijnen van engelen in de bijbel. Er wordt vaak over vuur gesproken, en de vraag is natuurlijk hoe je dit moet opvatten. Het doet mij een beetje denken aan die brandende braamstruik van Mozes, die vervuld is van vuur en niet verteerd wordt. Dat neem ik persoonlijk niet letterlijk
Daarbij komt bijvoorbeeld nog dat Nebukadnezar het vuur van zijn oven weldegelijk letterlijk nam.
Verscheidene mannen die het vuur opstookten kwamen erdoor om het leven. Daarbij was hij een tegenstander van God, dus als hij het al bijzonder vond dat ze het overleefden moet dat wel betekenen dat dit zeker letterlijk bedoeld was.
Daarbij worden engelen zeer vaak genoemd in de bijbel zodat zij niet uit te vlakken zijn.
quote:Zal nog es goed naar die teksten kijken, vind het wel interessant eik
Dat is het zeker! Laat maar weten als je vragen of opmerkingen hebt.De bijbel geeft best redelijk wat informatie over engelen, maar het is erg verspreid en een beetje verstopt af en toe. Nauwkeurig onderzoek kan echter veel over ze verduidelijken.
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Dat snap ik, daarom voeg ik ook "persoonlijk" toequote:Op zondag 13 juli 2008 20:10 schreef STORMSEEKER het volgende:
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Dat jij het niet letterlijk neemt wil natuurlijk niet zeggen dat het per se niet letterlijk is.
Ik schrijf boeken over wetenschap en filosofie!
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https://www.spectrumboeke(...)k-niet-9789000386765
https://www.spectrumboeke(...)tronen-9789000395071
https://www.epsilon-uitga(...)e-tijd-materie/10996
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Stormseeker, ben jij je wel bewust van het feit wat jehova's getuigen daadwerkelijk zijn?
http://www.sign2god.com/wereld/Jehova.html
Of ben je geen jehova's getuigen?
http://www.sign2god.com/wereld/Jehova.html
Of ben je geen jehova's getuigen?
Allemachtig zeg, daar heb je me weer een site te pakkenquote:Op maandag 14 juli 2008 06:34 schreef john88 het volgende:
Stormseeker, ben jij je wel bewust van het feit wat jehova's getuigen daadwerkelijk zijn?
http://www.sign2god.com/wereld/Jehova.html
Of ben je geen jehova's getuigen?
Mogen we niet eens meer Harry Potter lezen 
-edit: Het wordt nog mooier: de wortel van kabalah betekent "Illicit sexual activity"
Ik schrijf boeken over wetenschap en filosofie!
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https://www.spectrumboeke(...)k-niet-9789000386765
https://www.spectrumboeke(...)tronen-9789000395071
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Wat zijn ze volgens jou dan?quote:Op maandag 14 juli 2008 06:34 schreef john88 het volgende:
Stormseeker, ben jij je wel bewust van het feit wat jehova's getuigen daadwerkelijk zijn?
Als je vragen of opmerkingen hebt, plaats die dan ajb hier ipv slechts links te copy-pasten.
Niet zelden zijn zulke links foutief of zelfs rechtstreeks misleidend.
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Ow niet alles wat daar staat ondersteun ik ook hoor.quote:Op maandag 14 juli 2008 09:06 schreef Haushofer het volgende:
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Allemachtig zeg, daar heb je me weer een site te pakken
-edit: Het wordt nog mooier: de wortel van kabalah betekent "Illicit sexual activity"
Harry Potter daarintegen is inderdaad gewoonweg TROEP. Ik hoop dat je dat ook wel snapt.Jehovah's getuigen zijn naar mijn mening mensen die naar dwaalleer luisteren van Satan. Heb hier thuis nog een boek liggen waarin duidelijk de relatie tussen jehova's en freemasons wordt aangegeven.quote:Op maandag 14 juli 2008 15:21 schreef STORMSEEKER het volgende:
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Wat zijn ze volgens jou dan?
Als je vragen of opmerkingen hebt, plaats die dan ajb hier ipv slechts links te copy-pasten.
Niet zelden zijn zulke links foutief of zelfs rechtstreeks misleidend.
http://home.hetnet.nl/~bijbel-site/jehova.htm
Er is genoeg te vinden op het internet hierover trouwens. Je kan het inderdaad wegwuiven als onzin (en ik ben het met je eens dat niet ALLES wat genoemd wordt even betrouwbaar is en/of vergezocht is) maar je bent gewaarschuwd.
Ik ben t met John88 eens.
Dat symbool van de getuigen van Jehovah, het kruis met de kroon, is het symbool van de Tempeliers. De connecties van de tempeliers, rozenkruisers en vrijmetselarij is dat ze alledrie dezelfde doctrines aanhouden. De orde der Jezuïeten was de sleutel tussen de eerste 2 en de vrijmetselarij. Het doel van de Jezuïeten was onder andere het uitroeien van protestantisme. Daar zijn verschillende organisaties voor opgericht, de belangrijkste de vrijmetselarij. Ook wat mij betreft zijn getuigen van Jehovah het slachtoffer geworden van bewust verstreide dwaalleer. Hetzelfde geldt voor mormonen trouwens, daar is het nog veel duidelijker door de symboliek en de graden in de kerk enz, bijna een kopie van vrijmetselarij, de doctrines zijn af en toe ook ronduit bizar voor een beweging die zich christelijk noemt.
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Dat symbool van de getuigen van Jehovah, het kruis met de kroon, is het symbool van de Tempeliers. De connecties van de tempeliers, rozenkruisers en vrijmetselarij is dat ze alledrie dezelfde doctrines aanhouden. De orde der Jezuïeten was de sleutel tussen de eerste 2 en de vrijmetselarij. Het doel van de Jezuïeten was onder andere het uitroeien van protestantisme. Daar zijn verschillende organisaties voor opgericht, de belangrijkste de vrijmetselarij. Ook wat mij betreft zijn getuigen van Jehovah het slachtoffer geworden van bewust verstreide dwaalleer. Hetzelfde geldt voor mormonen trouwens, daar is het nog veel duidelijker door de symboliek en de graden in de kerk enz, bijna een kopie van vrijmetselarij, de doctrines zijn af en toe ook ronduit bizar voor een beweging die zich christelijk noemt.
[ Bericht 7% gewijzigd door Ali_Kannibali op 14-07-2008 15:53:36 ]
Alle zogenaamde verbanden met tempeliers en andere rare groepen zijn volstrekt absurd.
Ook hebben de getuigen geen symbolen en al helemaal geen kruizen of kronen of wat maar ook.
Verreweg de meeste websites over getuigen staan bol van leugens en onwaarheden, verspreid door tegenstanders en geestelijken die zich niet verenigen met onze leer van de bijbel.
De getuigen van Jehovah zijn een Christelijke groep die niets meer of minder als doel heeft dan het vinden van de bijbelse waarheid en deze onder alle mensen op aarde te verspreiden.
Andere doelen of geheimen of onderdelen in de organisatie zijn er niet. Nu niet, nooit niet.
Ook hebben de getuigen geen symbolen en al helemaal geen kruizen of kronen of wat maar ook.
Verreweg de meeste websites over getuigen staan bol van leugens en onwaarheden, verspreid door tegenstanders en geestelijken die zich niet verenigen met onze leer van de bijbel.
De getuigen van Jehovah zijn een Christelijke groep die niets meer of minder als doel heeft dan het vinden van de bijbelse waarheid en deze onder alle mensen op aarde te verspreiden.
Andere doelen of geheimen of onderdelen in de organisatie zijn er niet. Nu niet, nooit niet.
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Nee, dat snap ik niet. Harry Potter is verre van troep. Dat zijn gewoon hele leuke boeken om je op een saaie zondagmiddag mee te vermaken. Geniaal geschreven ook nog. Het is FICTIE. Ik hoop dat jij weet wat dat inhoudt?quote:Op maandag 14 juli 2008 15:34 schreef john88 het volgende:
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Ow niet alles wat daar staat ondersteun ik ook hoor.
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Je hoeft er dus ook geen geloofsfactor op los te laten, het zijn gewoon verhaaltjes, net als die van de Gebroeders Grimm en Duizend-en-een-nacht.
Remember all, if you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing.
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