Zal NL wel weer selectief afkijken en de door mij voorspelde sloten op internet nemen nu rap toe.quote:N.Y. attorney general forces ISPs to curb Usenet access
New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo announced on Tuesday that Verizon Communications, Time Warner Cable, and Sprint would "shut down major sources of online child pornography."
What Cuomo didn't say is that his agreement with broadband providers means that they will broadly curb customers' access to Usenet--the venerable pre-Web home of some 100,000 discussion groups, only a handful of which contain illegal material.
Time Warner Cable said it will cease to offer customers access to any Usenet newsgroups, a decision that will affect customers nationwide. Sprint said it would no longer offer any of the tens of thousands of alt.* Usenet newsgroups. Verizon's plan is to eliminate some "fairly broad newsgroup areas."
It's not quite the death of Usenet (which has been predicted, incorrectly, countless times). But if a politician can pressure three of the largest Internet providers into censorial acquiescence, it may only be a matter of time before smaller ones like Supernews, Giganews, and Usenet.com feel the squeeze.
Cuomo's office said it had "reviewed millions of pictures over several months" and found only "88 different newsgroups" containing child pornography.
"We are attacking this problem by working with Internet service providers to ensure they do not play host to this immoral business," Cuomo said in a statement released after a press conference in New York. "I call on all Internet service providers to follow their example and help deter the spread of online child porn."
That amounts to an odd claim: stopping the spread of child porn on a total of 88 newsgroups necessarily means coercing broadband providers to pull the plug on thousands of innocuous ones. Usenet's sprawling set of hierarchically arranged discussion areas include ones that go by names like sci.math, rec.motorcycles, and comp.os.linux.admin. It has been partially succeeded by mailing lists, message boards, and blogs; AOL stopped carrying Usenet in 2005, but AT&T still does.
Many of Usenet's discussion groups are scarcely different from discussions you might find on the Web at, say, Yahoo Groups. Because there's no central authority, however--Usenet servers exchange messages in a cooperative, peer-to-peer manner--politicians are more likely to look askance at the concept. (For that matter, so is the Recording Industry Association of America.)
It's true that of the three broadband providers Cuomo singled out, only Time Warner Cable will cease to offer Usenet. Sprint is cutting off the alt.* hierarchy, Usenet's largest, which will primarily affect its business customers. A Verizon spokesman said he didn't know details, saying "newsgroups that deal with scientific endeavors" will stick around but admitted that all of the alt.* hierarchy could be toast.
Yet Usenet's sprawling alt.* hierarchy contains tens of thousands of discussion groups--one count says there are 18,408 of them--including alt.adoption, alt.atheism, alt.gothic, and alt.tv.simpsons. Ditching all of those means eliminating perfectly legitimate conversations.
"The Internet service providers should not be blocking whole sections of the Internet, all Usenet groups, because there may be some illegal material buried somewhere," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU's technology and liberty program. "That's taking a sledgehammer to an ant."
For their part, the three broadband providers that Cuomo singled out on Tuesday said that it makes sense for them to curb Usenet.
"We're going to stop offering our subscribers newsgroups," said Alex Dudley, a spokesman for Time Warner Cable. "Some of the early press on this indicated we were going to block certain Web sites. We're not going to do that."
That was a reference to a New York Times article with the headline: "Net Providers to Block Sites With Child Sex." It said "the providers will also cut off access to Web sites that traffic in child pornography."
That is common practice in some countries. The French government and broadband providers have reportedly inked a deal to block Web sites with child porn, terrorist, and hate speech, for instance.
What Time Warner Cable will do, Dudley said, is remove illegal content on its network when alerted by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. (This is already required by law, has been standard business practice for many years, and is not a change in policy.)
Verizon spokesman Eric Rabe said much the same thing: "We're not blocking any access to Web sites."
In the United States, the idea of blocking Web sites is not new. The state of Pennsylvania came up with that idea five years ago, and Internet providers took issue with it through a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Democracy and Technology.
The Pennsylvania statute said "an Internet service provider shall remove or disable access to child pornography...accessible through its service" within five business days after the attorney general notified them of its existence.
A federal judge in Philadelphia overturned that law on First Amendment grounds, ruling that it constituted a "prior restraint on protected expression" and that its "extraterritorial effect violates the dormant Commerce Clause" of the U.S. Constitution.
New York's attorney general surely knows about that precedent. That is probably why he settled for strong-arming broadband providers into curbing Usenet--perhaps with the threat of a press conference that would all but accuse the providers of trafficking in child porn--instead of the far more difficult process of defending a law requiring them to curb Usenet.
Dat meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnn je niet ! ?quote:
Hebben we het kinderpornoargument weer.quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 19:04 schreef FJD het volgende:
Ja want Usenet wordt voornamelijk gebruikt als discussie platform
en het gaat alleen om Nieuwsgroepen waar kinderporno wordt gedeeld, lijkt me geen raar idee toch?
Kinderporno is een beetje als TERRORISME!!!!. Zolang je dat maar in je nieuwsbericht meeneemt vindt de gemiddelde leek het allang best.quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 19:04 schreef FJD het volgende:
Ja want Usenet wordt voornamelijk gebruikt als discussie platform
en het gaat alleen om Nieuwsgroepen waar kinderporno wordt gedeeld, lijkt me geen raar idee toch?
Dat is de bedoeling van de tekst. Mensen die usenet niet kennen/snappen kort er mee werken, kunnen zo beinvloed worden: oh kijk uit katrien en jan klaasen, een booeeeffff !quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 19:10 schreef Hephaistos. het volgende:
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Kinderporno is een beetje als TERRORISME!!!!. Zolang je dat maar in je nieuwsbericht meeneemt vindt de gemiddelde leek het allang best.
Let op mijn woorden, dit is het eerste redelijk wijd verspreide begin van het einde van een open internet.quote:Maar verder inderdaad onzin om dit censuur of 'Chinese toestanden' te noemen. De alt.* nieuwsgroepen worden voornamelijk gebruikt voor illegale praktijken en het zat er natuurlijk al tijden aan te komen dat die aangepakt zouden worden.
Torrents, traag trager traagst, afhankelijk van de aanbieders.quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 19:31 schreef thloreg het volgende:
Mensen die nog steeds Usenet gebruiken zij zooooooooo 1985
pro's mijden Usenet en gaan voor Torrents![]()
quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 19:31 schreef thloreg het volgende:
Mensen die nog steeds Usenet gebruiken zij zooooooooo 1985
pro's mijden Usenet en gaan voor Torrents
Usenet is anders behoorlijk antiek hoor.quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 20:22 schreef DroogDok het volgende:
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Kijk lieve kinderen, iemand die Usenet niet snapt.
ik heb me laten vertellen dat de torrents worden gemaakt van de usenet postsquote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 19:31 schreef thloreg het volgende:
Mensen die nog steeds Usenet gebruiken zij zooooooooo 1985
pro's mijden Usenet en gaan voor Torrents
Daar heb je helemaal gelijk in. fxp>usenet>torrentquote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 20:55 schreef Herald het volgende:
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ik heb me laten vertellen dat de torrents worden gemaakt van de usenet posts
Auto's ook, maar snel of sterk dat ze soms zijn, en zo gewild ook!quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 20:53 schreef wipes66 het volgende:
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Usenet is anders behoorlijk antiek hoor.
Ik bedoel eigenlijk het protocol dat usenet gebruikt, dat is antiek en uberhaupt niet bedoelt voor filesharing.quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 20:58 schreef fokthesystem het volgende:
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Auto's ook, maar snel of sterk dat ze soms zijn, en zo gewild ook!
ze hebben het over discussion groeps niet over binaries.quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 21:11 schreef salutem het volgende:
Usenet--the venerable pre-Web home of some 100,000 discussion groups, only a handful of which contain illegal material.
ja echt waar de rest gaat over koetjes en kalfjes echt !!![]()
Simpel gezegd is het net het fprum hier op fokquote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 21:11 schreef Omkron het volgende:
Klopt.. het is nooit bedoelt voor filesharing, daarvoor was ftp in het leven geroepen dacht ik.
Iemand enig idee hoe de structuur van usenet in elkaar zit? Als ik iets post op eweka bv. pak giganews het dan op of hoe zit dat of werkt het?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenetquote:Usenet is distributed among a large, constantly changing conglomeration of servers which store and forward messages to one another. These servers are loosely connected in a variable mesh.[clarify] Individual users usually read from and post messages to a local server operated by their ISP, university or employer. The servers then exchange the messages between one another, so that they are available to readers beyond the original server.
Same difference. binaries is alles buiten de tekst caracters dat een bestand vormt.quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 21:13 schreef Omkron het volgende:
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ze hebben het over discussion groeps niet over binaries.
In welk land stonden de servers van the piratebay ook alweer? Desnoods zetten ze daar daar een datacenter neer voor een usenet pay account provider als het echt te gek gaat worden.quote:"I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'"
--Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation
Is ook te blokken door de ISPs, IP ban, poort block, dns block enz. klaar.quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 21:31 schreef Omkron het volgende:
Yep.. het internet is geen vrijheid meer. Even een quote van de freenetproject.org site.
In welk land stonden de servers van the piratebay ook alweer? Desnoods zetten ze daar daar een datacenter neer voor een usenet pay account provider als het echt te gek gaat worden.
Daar gaat het om, de voorbeelden zijn tevens excuses.quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 21:36 schreef Hephaistos. het volgende:
Maar kom dan niet aanzetten met verheven verhalen over persvrijheid en censuur![]()
Je kunt niet voorkomen, als je in de supermarkt met je buren staat te praten over de aanbiedingen, dat elders in die supermarkt een puber tegen zijn vriendin staat te liegen, maar dat is het punt ook niet.quote:Het illegaal delen van bestanden heeft niets met de vrijheid van meningsuiting te maken! Wat mij betreft is dit hetzelfde als het 'Kinderporno-argument' uit de OP. Grote beladen termen gebruiken in de hoop dat mensen meegaan in je verhaal...
Hoe denk je dat die bestanden op de servers komen te staan? Toch echt met uploaden hoor. Ook in Nederland is er alle reden om usenet aan te pakken, al dan niet in Europees verband.quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 21:50 schreef Omkron het volgende:
Overigens ben je met usenet niet aan het delen maar aan het downloaden. Volledig legaal in Nederland.
Torrents daarin tegen, ben je bezig met delen. Verboden in Nederland.
Ik ben zo pro Usenet. Sneller is niet mogelijk en volledig legaal in Nederland.
Usenet is gewoon beter dan torrentsquote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 20:57 schreef FJD het volgende:
Het was gewoon afwachten tot het weer torrent-usenet bashen zou worden
Media en politiek, 2 handen op 1 buik.quote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 22:21 schreef Omkron het volgende:
Usenet is té populair geworden, met dank aan alle tijdschriften zoals tips en trucs die hele uitgekauwde handleidingen publiseren.
Helaas wel jaquote:Op woensdag 11 juni 2008 22:21 schreef Omkron het volgende:
Usenet is té populair geworden, met dank aan alle tijdschriften zoals tips en trucs die hele uitgekauwde handleidingen publiseren.
quote:Franse regering wil downloaders afsluiten
Wie in Frankrijk illegaal films of muziek downloadt of aanbiedt, zal binnen niet al te lange tijd kunnen worden afgesloten van internet. De Franse regering zal een wet indienen die dit officieel gaat regelen.
Het Franse plan om piraterij op internet te bestraffen met afsluiting circuleert al langer in Frankrijk, maar heeft nu concrete vormen aangenomen. De Franse regering heeft inmiddels een wetsontwerp opgesteld waarin een en ander wordt geregeld. Er zal een nieuw overheidsorgaan komen, Hadopi getiteld, dat gaat toezien op de uitvoering. Hadopi is een Frans acroniem voor 'hoge autoriteit voor bescherming van auteursrechten en de verspreiding van werken via internet'.
Volgens de wet en een overeenkomst tussen de entertainmentbedrijven en de providers zal iemand die betrapt wordt op piraterij eerst een waarschuwing van Hadopi per e-mail krijgen. Wie er desondanks toch mee doorgaat krijgt een aangetekende brief en wie dan nog niet ophoudt zal worden afgesloten van internet. De afsluiting duurt twee maanden voor wie een verklaring tekent dat hij zal ophouden met filesharing en een jaar voor wie dat niet doet.
De mediabedrijven zijn zeer in hun sas met de nieuwe regeling, maar vanuit andere hoeken klinkt veel kritiek. De Franse privacywaakhond, consumentenorganisaties, burgerrechtengroeperingen en het Europese parlement hebben er hun afkeuring over uitgesproken. Grote internetbedrijven zoals Google en het videosharingbedrijf Dailymotion hebben het akkoord niet willen ondertekenen.
De kritiek van de tegenstanders richt zich vooral op de inbreuk op de privacy van de internetgebruikers en het feit dat internet vandaag de dag voor veel mensen een basisbehoefte is, die niet zomaar kan worden afgesloten. Omdat providers de namen van overtreders zullen uitwisselen kan iemand die is afgesloten ook niet meer bij een andere provider terecht. De wet zal in september in het parlement worden behandeld en daar zeker worden aangenomen, zo meldt The Times. In januari zal de wet van kracht worden.
quote:Secret Plan To Kill Internet By 2012 Leaked?
Some question if report that pay-per-view system to be introduced is a hoax, but wider march to regulate the web is documented
Paul Joseph Watson / Prison Planet | June 11, 2008
ISP’s have resolved to restrict the Internet to a TV-like subscription model where users will be forced to pay to visit selected corporate websites by 2012, while others will be blocked, according to a leaked report. Despite some people dismissing the story as a hoax, the wider plan to kill the traditional Internet and replace it with a regulated and controlled Internet 2 is manifestly provable.
"Bell Canada and TELUS (formerly owned by Verizon) employees officially confirm that by 2012 ISP’s all over the globe will reduce Internet access to a TV-like subscription model, only offering access to a small standard amount of commercial sites and require extra fees for every other site you visit. These ‘other’ sites would then lose all their exposure and eventually shut down, resulting in what could be seen as the end of the Internet," warns a report that has spread like wildfire across the web over the last few days.
The article, which is accompanied by a You Tube clip, states that Time Magazine writer "Dylan Pattyn" has confirmed the information and is about to release a story - and that the move to effectively shut down the web could come as soon as 2010.
Watch the clip.
People have raised questions about the report’s accuracy because the claims are not backed by another source, only the "promise" that a Time Magazine report is set to confirm the rumor. Until such a report emerges many have reserved judgment or outright dismissed the story as a hoax.
What is documented, as the story underscores, is the fact that TELUS’ wireless web package allows only restricted pay-per-view access to a selection of corporate and news websites. This is the model that the post-2012 Internet would be based on.
People have noted that the authors of the video seem to be more concerned about getting people to subscribe to their You Tube account than fighting for net neutrality by prominently featuring an attractive woman who isn’t shy about showing her cleavage. The vast majority of the other You Tube videos hosted on the same account consist of bizarre avante-garde satire skits on behalf of the same people featured in the Internet freedom clip. This has prompted many to suspect that the Internet story is merely a stunt to draw attention to the group.
Whether the report is accurate or merely a crude hoax, there is a very real agenda to restrict, regulate and suffocate the free use of the Internet and we have been documenting its progression for years.
The first steps in a move to charge for every e mail sent have already been taken. Under the pretext of eliminating spam, Bill Gates and other industry chieftains have proposed Internet users buy credit stamps which denote how many e mails they will be able to send. This of course is the death knell for political newsletters and mailing lists.
The New York Times reported that "America Online and Yahoo, two of the world’s largest providers of e-mail accounts, are about to start using a system that gives preferential treatment to messages from companies that pay from 1/4 of a cent to a penny each to have them delivered. The senders must promise to contact only people who have agreed to receive their messages, or risk being blocked entirely."
The first wave will simply attempt to price people out of using the conventional Internet and force people over to Internet 2, a state regulated hub where permission will need to be obtained directly from an FCC or government bureau to set up a website.
The original Internet will then be turned into a mass surveillance database and marketing tool. The Nation magazine reported in 2006 that, "Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are developing strategies that would track and store information on our every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing system, the scope of which could rival the National Security Agency. According to white papers now being circulated in the cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the deepest pockets–corporations, special-interest groups and major advertisers–would get preferred treatment. Content from these providers would have first priority on our computer and television screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to-peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply shut out."
Over the past few years, a chorus of propaganda intended to demonize the Internet and further lead it down a path of strict control has spewed forth from numerous establishment organs:
Time magazine reported last year that researchers funded by the federal government want to shut down the internet and start over, citing the fact that at the moment there are loopholes in the system whereby users cannot be tracked and traced all the time.
The projects echo moves we have previously reported on to clamp down on internet neutrality and even to designate a new form of the internet known as Internet
2.
In a display of bi-partisanship, there have recently been calls for all
out mandatory ISP snooping on all US citizens by both Democrats and Republicans alike.
The White House’s own recently de-classified
strategy for "winning the war on terror" targets Internet conspiracy theories as a recruiting ground for terrorists and threatens to "diminish" their influence.
The Pentagon recently announced its effort to infiltrate
the Internet and propagandize for the war on terror.
In a speech last October, Homeland Security director Michael Chertoff identified the web as a "terror training camp," through which "disaffected people living in the United States" are developing "radical ideologies and potentially violent skills."
His solution is "intelligence fusion centers," staffed by Homeland Security personnel which will go into operation next year.
The U.S. Government wants to force bloggers and online grassroots activists to register and regularly report their activities to Congress. Criminal charges including a possible jail term of up to one year could be the punishment for non-compliance.
A landmark legal case on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America and other global trade organizations seeks to criminalize all Internet file sharing of any kind as copyright infringement, effectively shutting down the world wide web - and their argument is supported by the U.S. government.
A landmark legal ruling in Sydney goes further than ever before in setting the trap door for the destruction of the Internet as we know it and the end of alternative news websites and blogs by creating the precedent that simply linking to other websites is breach of copyright and piracy.
The European Union, led by former Stalinist and potential future British Prime Minister John Reid, has also vowed to shut down "terrorists" who use the Internet to spread propaganda.
The EU data retention bill, passed last year after much controversy and with implementation tabled for late 2007, obliges telephone operators and internet service providers to store information on who called who and who emailed who for at least six months. Under this law, investigators in any EU country, and most bizarrely even in the US, can access EU citizens’ data on phone calls, SMS messages, emails and instant messaging services.
The EU also recently proposed legislation that would prevent users from uploading any form of video without a license.
The US government is also funding research into social networking sites and how to gather and store personal data published on them, according to the New Scientist magazine. "At the same time, US lawmakers are attempting to force the social networking sites themselves to control the amount and kind of information that people, particularly children, can put on the sites."
The development of a new form of internet with new regulations is also designed to create an online caste system whereby the old internet hubs would be allowed to break down and die, forcing people to use the new taxable, censored and regulated world wide web.
Make no mistake, the internet, one of the greatest outposts of free speech ever created is under constant attack by powerful people who cannot operate within a society where information flows freely and unhindered. Both American and European moves mimic stories we hear every week out of state controlled Communist China, where the internet is strictly regulated and virtually exists as its own entity away from the rest of the web.
The Internet is freedom’s best friend and the bane of control freaks. Its eradication is one of the short term goals of those that seek to centralize power and subjugate their populations under tyranny by eliminating the right to protest and educate others by the forum of
the free world wide web.
Whehe, kijken hoe leuk ISP's het gaan vinden als ze opeens 50% van hun klanten kwijtraken.quote:Op donderdag 19 juni 2008 22:32 schreef fokthesystem het volgende:
Eigenlijk hoort dit topic gewoon terug in politiek!
Kijk, het is al dichter bij huis:
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Die ISPs zijn dan ook inmiddels in staatshanden en geleid door voormalige AIVD of zo.quote:Op donderdag 19 juni 2008 22:51 schreef ethiraseth het volgende:
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Whehe, kijken hoe leuk ISP's het gaan vinden als ze opeens 50% van hun klanten kwijtraken.
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