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I have a Link but let's be private about that: A guy named Jelle was also involved in R + S and says:
Local islander: Astrid van Rijn. Paul en Astrid used to live in haarlem and later on in hoofddorp. Lorenzo had born, before any Aruba talk. I'm sure because I went with Paul and Astrid to Aruba...and we st up R + S
etc.
Local islander: Astrid van Rijn. Paul en Astrid used to live in haarlem and later on in hoofddorp. Lorenzo had born, before any Aruba talk. I'm sure because I went with Paul and Astrid to Aruba...and we st up R + S
etc.
All info is ok on SM, if you prefer, but just let's get this guy out off the way or his really weird history anyways..weird.
Thats interesting but does any of the info relate to the Van Der Sloots? The connecting of the dots with the Van Rijns may be important because so many talk about him but I don't see anything you posted that ties into this case. I really could care less about this Family and just want to connect the dots. I am extremely anxious to do that and if it is proven he isnt involved in Natalee's case I would love to erase everything about this guy. However as of right now I am even more suspicious of LVR then I was in 2005.quote:Op zondag 17 februari 2008 06:49 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
I have a Link but let's be private about that: A guy named Jelle was also involved in R + S and says:
Local islander: Astrid van Rijn. Paul en Astrid used to live in haarlem and later on in hoofddorp. Lorenzo had born, before any Aruba talk. I'm sure because I went with Paul and Astrid to Aruba...and we st up R + S
etc.
We researched about as much as we could on this family and what we didn't know we heard from Jossy Mansur last year. The businesses of the Van Rijn's is known as they were on the internet but if we can further link him to Joran,Paul VDS or Natalee that would be great.
[ Bericht 6% gewijzigd door observer777 op 17-02-2008 07:20:20 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
OK, at least he's an inreresting guey that I Like to know more off..just..because..
anyways..iff I try to be a monkey..would someone let me in, i'm more interested in M as F
anyways..iff I try to be a monkey..would someone let me in, i'm more interested in M as F
I can let you in SM..Just let me know when you register. Hopefully you read the thread I put together on LVR,Much of the posts I consider to be people that had good info. Enormous amount of speculation on this guy so I wanted just posts that seemed credible back in 2005. I still have not added some things like what Jossy Mansur told us on radio.quote:Op zondag 17 februari 2008 07:28 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
OK, at least he's an inreresting guey that I Like to know more off..just..because..
anyways..iff I try to be a monkey..would someone let me in, i'm more interested in M as F
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.0
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Ok you will be in as soon as the admin see's my message.quote:Op zondag 17 februari 2008 20:47 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Ok , I registered on SM, same name as here
3 pages of deicent info where many of you have asked questions. Still alot more to the first day of this story. If you look at the PV'S Freddy says Joran told him of the beach and natalee being missing,even before the parents arrived in Aruba.
http://www.goodhousekeepi(...)ughter-beth-holloway
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 17-02-2008 22:40:59 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Lipboutje posted this in one of the other threads. Don't know if this is really Deepak's cousin or not but some pretty interesting details towards the end of this post, regarding the gardener's shed and another body that is supposedly buried there (the dog?). Anyway... pretty interesting read.
quote:Dit komt van een blog http://reallycreepypeople(...)tinues-to-stick.html
Anonymous said...
Joran van der Sloot may you rot in Hell.
Hello I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all
Natalee Holloway had been at the casino, and had been drinking with the Joran Van der Sloot he is as guilty as hell the creep slime vampire bat . The two brothers one called Satish and Deepak and Joran Van der sloot, and I thinks a fellow named Steve all creeps , whom had been arrested about this case in 2006, had a plan. They had done this type of thing to so many other other girls in Aruba before. They were to give Natalee a last drugged drink to go, and Joran was to put a drug in her drink, I think a 'Date Rape Drug". He did. Natalee was not really so drunk when she left with Joran Van der Sloot, she was drugged! by all means Joran had asked her to go with him to see the Light House she was pulled to the car . Natalee was not sure about going and had refused at first , but with the drink and the drug in it, she followed him to the awaiting car like a sheep waiting to be slaugthered. It was just her and Joran Van der sloot, not the rest of the guys in the car , as has been reported by other withnesses. Joran started to drive to the Light House but Natalee passed out cold almost as soon as she got in the car! Joran then turned around and drove to a beach close to her hotel! He parked and dragged her out of the car onto the beach where the other three guys came out of hiding. The two brothers and the Steve guy. They all took turns raping her and when the last brother was nearly finished, Natalee woke up but was very groggy, and the second brother finished, as she started to fight them off. They were very angry and surprised, as one of them who gave Joran the drug, was supposed to give enough to keep her out, nearly all night!They all held her down, as Joran put his hands over her nose and mouth and hit her aswell until she died! Remember, Natalee was very drugged but still managed to fight them off, as best she could. She was a good girl but at the wrong place at the wrong time . She had been tricked and drugged. Other girls had been victims, as well waking up on beaches in the morning light, knowing something terrible had happened to them, but not actually remembering what it was.
The boys had not expected Natalee to wake up, so this was a surprise to them all! One of them quickly called someone the father of Joran van der Sloot and soon another car drove up to the parking spot on the beach. This person brought a black, zippered, coroner's, body bag. They then all helped put her inside. I couldn't see the face of the man who came with the bag, but thought it strange that someone could come up with a body bag so quickly! Next they put Natalee in the back seat of the car who's owner brought the body bag. Natalee was inside the bag and it was dark, so they thought no one would be able to see into the back seat, and I assumed that they did not have to drive far to hide the body.
But fortunate there were other withnesses as well . The first gardener that worked for the Van der Sloot family was said to have been deported he seen it aswell but was sent home to where he came from with some money to keep his mouth closed. He was forced and taken by a small plane, to an island not more than 5 or 10 minutes away, from Aruba, to a 'Compound" in the jungle. The 'People running drug things in Aruba, did not want him to talk since he saw something that night the father of joran van der sloot carrying a big black bag and surely something weird , as he had already spoke to someone, a reporter, I think, and they would have killed him aswell, but it would have looked to suspicious, so they just said he was "deported". The first gardener was from a group of poor people , and came to Aruba to work for the Van der Sloots, in order to earn money for their poor family.So some main "withnesses " gone the drugbarons at the aruba drug kartell, so authorities didn't make any attempt to find him, as they thought he would never tell and he couldn't be found anyway. If those same people thought he had talked about what he saw, they would not hesitate to kill the entire poor family, so that no one would be left to talk! It would be mass genocide! He, however, did talk what he really saw that night to some guards that night , and some other people know about what actually happened. I have to say that at least two of the young men that raped Natalee, and killed her, went straight home after the beach to set up alibi's the bastards.
The First Gardener got up around 4 AM to 4:30 AM, or when ever his usual morning work begins, and that is when he saw the guys with the body bag. He knew something was terribly wrong but he quickly turned around and went back to where he slept until no one else was around. When this gardener, told the wrong person that he saw the Van der Sloot boy at a certain time, I think his first statement was correct. This was his only mistake, and they had to get rid of him. They had no idea he saw them with the black body bag. I cannot tell you where she is buried, as if one of them finds out I have repeated this much, they will try and move it. I just know some very powerful people way up in the island gourvernement with some powerfull influence on that Island helped those guys hide the body and coverup all the tracks.
Poor me I am afraid to talk
The Dutch authorities sent those guys over to Aruba, as they had already been in trouble and they were an embarrassment to the Dutch Authorities. Joran Van der Sloot and the two brothers, would go to school and leave whenever they felt like it rich new kids and you know the rest aswell and the teachers were too afraid to call them on it!
Those three got away with first degree 'Murder' all the time. They finally got into such trouble that they had to be sent away. Joran was back in Aruba, at it again, along with his friends. but fled to Holland to the city Arnhem and sometimes city Haarlem in Holland
You know that the Island survives on it's drug and tourist industry. Many drugs are sent from Aruba. This is why the authorities are so afraid of this story, as they all get kick-backs from the drug money, I know there was a big up coverup meeting there were also six people who had a meeting this year in an Aruba Courtroom.
One included the current Judge. They were talking about the case, and especially about Satish Deepak. They said he was a loose cannon and unstable, and were worried that he might talk! It seems everyone, all adult, in that courtroom, knew what happened to Natalee including the Senior Van der Sloot, who was there in the room with the Judge and four others. They were not in session, as the Judge had his robe open and was standing around with the rest of these people.
Poor Natalee Holloway case is a real problem for Aruba may God have her soul, as she is not the only one who has gone missing because of the same type of action, or drugs. So the Drug kartell warned to sent Joran van der Sloot to Holland They cannot kill the entire Van der Sloot Family and the others that have been arrested, which would probably solve Aruba's problem, as far as the drug business goes.
I have seen that Joran Van der Sloot boy was wearing a blue and white stripped shirt the night Natalee was murdered, and Satish wore a blue T-shirt.
I have to say the gardener said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the Van der Sloot property! But because if they catch wind me talking, the body will surely be moved! The first floor of the gardeners shed had some pallets for a floor, and under this floor is another false floor that has dirt over it, so it looks like the ground, but if you look closely, you will see two small handles near the edges of the floor that can be taken up. Even the present gardener doesn't know it's there. In this shed is a lawn mower, and a rake, a bucket and some garden tools. There is also a terrible odor that is partially from the fish cut up to fertilize the gardens. This is what throws them off the scent, so to speak. Natalee is not alone under there. There is another body in there with her,
Well may be you can help
my identity must be protected in case this comes out .
I hope you are very careful with this information and I leave it with you, because you seem to be the only one who can help
I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all
Thu Aug 16, 04:21:00 PM EDT
posted by ANASTASIA at 9/27/2007 06:07:00 PM
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Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil.
That was her image, wasn't it? But I find it odd that such a girl would go to a casino, meet Joran and would go away with Joran and the two Deepaks into the night. If I should be a detective, I would gather more information about the Natalee nobody knew or nobody saw.quote:Op zondag 17 februari 2008 03:43 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Ok your lost dude..Really lost..She was a straight A student,attended bible class,helped the elderly and was a nieve goody too shoes that probably never even had sex before. Never drank much,never did drugs and was a extremely good kid. She was outgoing,very intelligent and wanted to be a doctor and was ready to go to a 4 year top notch university until someone murdered her and took it all away.
That is what Natalee was like. I know this for a fact. You are looking totally in the wrong direction and I suggest you read up on this case.
It's a bit like the tv-serial 'Twin Peaks' really.
I´m back.
Thanks!quote:Op zondag 17 februari 2008 21:33 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Ok you will be in as soon as the admin see's my message.
3 pages of deicent info where many of you have asked questions. Still alot more to the first day of this story. If you look at the PV'S Freddy says Joran told him of the beach and natalee being missing,even before the parents arrived in Aruba.
http://www.goodhousekeepi(...)ughter-beth-holloway
I am reading now DK's statements and SK's statements about FZ
From SK Statement june 24 05:
'You ask me if I was scared when we were talking with Freddy about the missing girl. It is possible that I don’t remember. I say that we, Deepak and I, did not know that Freddy knew the real story. The real story, which was on the beach. It do not understand why Freddy was told that, according to me he knew both stories already.
My brother and I asked Joran what really happened with the missing girl. Joran told us that they had gone on the beach. He took his shoes off. He walked in the water with the missing girl. Then he stepped out from the water, I say that they both came from the water. The missing girl fell asleep. We, my brother and I, tasked him how far from the water he had left the missing girl laying. Joran had said that he left the missing girl approximately a meter from the water.
Deepak and I have known Joran for approximately a year. I’ve known Joran longer, a little longer than a year.
On your question how I believe that Freddy knows both tales, I can explain the following:
Freddy himself had told both tales to my brother and Joran. Afterwards my brother asked Freddy to ask Joran what really happened, since Freddy is Joran’s best friend and certainly Joran would tell Freddy the truth.
My brother and I had doubts concerning what Joran had told us. I found Joran acting nervous when he told us what happened on the beach. I found it also strange that he left the missing girl this way near the water for that time. Okay avoided he ask that direct do had concerning missing little girl and him on the range. (He avoided direct questions regarding the missing girl on the beach?)
How did I know that Joran became nervous? I can explain the following:
Joran looked around then visibility was gone and tried to avoid eye contact. Also his eyes opened further. Also he gave me the impression that he had to think of what he would say. Also it was notable to me that he didn’t want to talk long regarding the beach, but always concerning the tale of the Holiday Inn.'
I wouldn't give up my day job if I was you ryan. I already showed there is witnesses that saw her being escorted out of the bar 10 minutes later then you think by Deepak and probably Satish. She was being held by the elbow and could barely walk,and no doubt about it she was drugged. It was witnessed by the bartender and two of her classmates.quote:Op zondag 17 februari 2008 23:56 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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That was her image, wasn't it? But I find it odd that such a girl would go to a casino, meet Joran and would go away with Joran and the two Deepaks into the night. If I should be a detective, I would gather more information about the Natalee nobody knew or nobody saw.
It's a bit like the tv-serial 'Twin Peaks' really.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005
The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub.
... Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
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Beth Holloway Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2006
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html
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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005
MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html
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Joran's book:
P 160-161
After Freddy's second statement on June 13th at 18:30, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30th, the police confront us as best friends with each other. Some further statements follow after that.
In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statements that I have told him that Natalee went unconscious several times and did not regain consciousness at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that this also didn't work.
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005
The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub.
... Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
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Beth Holloway Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2006
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html
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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005
MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html
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Joran's book:
P 160-161
After Freddy's second statement on June 13th at 18:30, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30th, the police confront us as best friends with each other. Some further statements follow after that.
In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statements that I have told him that Natalee went unconscious several times and did not regain consciousness at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that this also didn't work.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Why didn't her classmates stop her then? In light of her image it should have been very strange that she'd go out with some teensters, she had just met and in the state she apparantly was in.quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 00:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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I wouldn't give up my day job if I was you ryan. I already showed there is witnesses that saw her being escorted out of the bar 10 minutes later then you think by Deepak and probably Satish. She was being held by the elbow and could barely walk,and no doubt about it she was drugged. It was witnessed by the bartender and two of her classmates.
I´m back.
In one statement, there is told that one of her roommate "Lee" (and another girl) had a 30 minute conversation with Joran the day before.."Lee" also went looking for Natalee after closing time of C&C..quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 00:19 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Why didn't her classmates stop her then? In light of her image it should have been very strange that she'd go out with some teensters, she had just met and in the state she apparantly was in.
And did anybody read about the strange phone call up to Natalee's room about "Rosemary massage" (2 times) ?
Btw. Natalee said to one group of mates on the street (they asked if she was okay) that she went going with "the other group" pointing to another group of MB-mates
Dingendoendingendoendingen..
quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 00:19 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Why didn't her classmates stop her then? In light of her image it should have been very strange that she'd go out with some teensters, she had just met and in the state she apparantly was in.
Most of her close friends never saw what happened to her. Others were probably drinking as one of them saw Natalee leave with Deepak from a balcony at the bar across the street. They slept most of the day and Natalee appeared fine before Joran gave her a shot of alcohol. But in all of there statements she was in and out of conscioussness in Deepaks car or the beach. Her close friend said before they left she looked different and her eyes looked very heavy. We know Joran drugged others before Natalee arrived in Aruba and sure enough these 3 arrived 20-30 minutes before closing time at the bar. All we know is what the Pathological liar and the 2 suriname brothers have said,Natalee isnt hear to speak up for herself.. There is talk of seeing them at the bus stop outside of C&C and a fellow classmate asked her to get out of the car..She was probably heavily drugged and was half zombie is what I think. They drove off and she was never seen again.
Look up the effects of GHB and it fits what happened to Natalee perfect including what Joran said on tape about her having seizures. I have another link that a proffessional spoke of seizures in the 70's that was commen to GHB.
What are the normal symptoms of GHB ingestion?
Intoxication, increased energy, happiness, talking, desire to socialize, feeling affectionate and playful, mild disinhibition, sensuality, enhanced sexual experience, muscle relaxation, loss of coordination due to loss of muscle tone, possible nausea, difficulty concentrating, loss of gag reflex, respiratory problems, loss of consciousness, being conscious but unable to move, and death- Especially when combined with alcohol or other drugs.
Effects of large doses:
Disinhibition, sedation, desire to sleep, rambling incoherent speech, giddiness, silliness, difficulty thinking, slurred speech, passing out, and death.
http://www.projectghb.org/what_is_ghb.htm
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 00:30 schreef KlaasOosterbos het volgende:
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In one statement, there is told that one of her roommate "Lee" (and another girl) had a 30 minute conversation with Joran the day before.."Lee" also went looking for Natalee after closing time of C&C..
And did anybody read about the strange phone call up to Natalee's room about "Rosemary massage" (2 times) ?
Btw. Natalee said to one group of mates on the street (they asked if she was okay) that she went going with "the other group" pointing to another group of MB-mates
Thats correct,they went to choose-a-name-bar to look for Natalee. Also rumored to be the bar that Deepak stopped at after C&C. This is the bar that Pitbull worked at. As you know in 2006 he had his head bashed in,legs cut off,set on fire and his hands were tied,but it was ruled a suicide. The two evil lying psychics keep bringing his name into this case saying he was Natalee's BF and he was murdered because of what he knew happened to her. He is also the brother in law of Gerald Dompig who worked on this case since the beginning. Dompig is also related to the Kalpoes.
You are also correct in your second statement. However I think it will be proven that she went back into C&C and then was escorted out 5-10 minutes later by Deepak. She probably was not thinking right and remember Joran said he was from Holland and was staying at her hotel at the holiday inn. Doesn't matter anyway when your brain is like a zombie and you can't even walk any longer. I bet a few minutes later she would have been passed out on the floor inside of C&C.
Yes I know about the strange phone calls for a off hotel massage and also when they were sleeping they saw someone try to open there glass door to the hotel room. I find both things suspicious. As well as many other things that we have no answers for. The night before one of the girls was passed out cold and had to be carried back to the hotel. Not sure if she was drunk or drugged. Also the reports of a fight between one of the pimps and a mb student and GVC grinding against Natalee at the bar on a earlier night.
These are interesting also.
Mr.Pink
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2068.0
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Date: 08109/2005
Location: Miami, Florida
File #: 163a-bb-1426-571
Initiator: SA WILLIAM T. CLAUSS 2
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Date: 06/06/2005
Pages: 3
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Jamaica, NY
Writer/Initiator: SA Gregory T. Mchugh
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
This detective was Dennis Jacobs and he is lying. All 3 girls were ready to come forward until he contacted them and there are still others,one in the united states.
The preliminary investigation also showed that Joran van der Sloot previously abused girls against their will. "We came into contact with an ex-girlfriend that a therapist had opgebiecht that she was raped by Joran. Naturally, we tried to let her return, but unfortunately they wanted. She was still in love with Joran," said the detective.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)Holloway.html?p=20,1
The preliminary investigation also showed that Joran van der Sloot previously abused girls against their will. "We came into contact with an ex-girlfriend that a therapist had opgebiecht that she was raped by Joran. Naturally, we tried to let her return, but unfortunately they wanted. She was still in love with Joran," said the detective.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)Holloway.html?p=20,1
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Peter Devries
The Robert Jensen Show
November 28, 2006
DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several chances to do things right: when they wanted to search the house. the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family who wanted to support the van der Sloots in these difficult times. So clearly the search of the house had not been a surprise to the van der Sloots. The police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Joran’s room could be searched. These are things a Dutch crime-reporter is of course totally astonished about.
Beth Twitty
FOX NEW LIVE DESK
MARTHA MACCALLUM
November 28, 2006
TWITTY: Well I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department and that is why we do not have any evidence and that is what Joran’s attorney will have to be reminded of. It is because of Bob Witt and Ben King stopped the search warrants. It was made to initially search the entire area of Montanja Nineteen - the garden, the buildings and everything but on the spot a high ranking employee of the Justice Office - Bob Witt - reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran so that is why we don’t have any evidence because obstruction from the Aruban Justice Department personnel.
Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
November 27, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What about the search of the van der Sloot property? Was that ever done, and was, you know–including, sort of, the cabana area where Joran lives?
DE VRIES: Well, the search in the home address of the family Van der Sloot was very strange because the search warrant was made by head prosecutor Karin Janssen, and contained an allowance to search the whole address, “Montanja nineteen.” So, the gardens, the buildings–everything. But, when the police was on the spot, another high-ranking employee of the Justice office – it was Mr. Bob Witt – reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran and that’s very strange. The police was extremely frustrated about this because they had some clues that something might have happened to Natalee elsewhere in the garden or in the house of the parents because Joran admits that he has been with Natalee and Deepak and Satish at the home of his parents.
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Ben King: Poor Judgement Or Cover-Up in Natalee Holloway Case
I was and still am a bit leary of this report on corruption in the Dutch justice system in Aruba: some facts appear to be incorrect. For instance, Paul(us) v d Sloot is not a "high-ranking official."
The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King .
In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with.
King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?
However, I do find it curious that an official so close to the PM would 1) change his name and 2) exercise such poor judgement in the Natalee Holloway case that it now appears he has taken a vacation and, from all appearances, will continue to be of assistance or support to the Van der Sloot's in some way.
An article I found in Dutch - scroll down to fifth article - looked curious, so I asked Begga from Hasibokos to translate.
Translation: The Public Ministry (Aruban prosecutor's office) affirmed that Ben King, head of the support division of the Attorney General, was present at the house of the Van der Sloot family when it was being searched Thursday last week.
Spokesperson Marianne Croes, of the prosecutor's office: “King was and is on holiday. He was indeed not present on behalf of the PM (during the search of the van der Sloot estate)” The spokesperson doesn’t want to comment on the various observations that find it strange that a member of the PM was present at the house of the suspects family while the search took place.
Sources within the PM affirm however that the PM as a whole is not happy at all with the actions of Ben King, because this may raise doubts with regard to the impartiality of the ministry. .
King himself says that he and his family have been good friends with the Van der Sloots for some years now. Paul van der Sloot also worked for the PM in the past. King: “A few years ago, when I was working at KIA (local prison), I was maltreated by a prisoner and went through a rough period during which the Van der Sloot family provided us with fantastic support. We want to do the same for them now. But I realize naturally that I cannot stand at both sides on the line.”
And because of this King took some time off from his job to be able to support his friends. King: “It is a small island where conclusions are drawn very fast.” Both Public Ministry and I realize that we have to remain cool-headed. At the same time I have my rights as private-citizen and I want to support my friends in this difficult period.” Ben King was formerly named Vocking, he changed his name a few months ago and his name is now officially King.
http://tinyurl.com/848bd
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http://newsblaze.com/story/2005070108300200001
http://eworldwire.com/pressreleases/12239
Is Aruba's Government Covering Up Again
EAST GREENWICH, R.I. (EWORLDWIRE) Jul 1, 2005
Rudy Croes, the Minister of Justice in Aruba, has every opportunity to question the Holloway investigation to assure that there is justice in Aruba even against the people that he did favors for and those he received favors from (the Dutch judicial officials).
Aruba is in a very difficult situation and this is not because of the American press, the Holloway case and most definitely not because of a web site by the name of "to hell with Aruba.com." Aruba is going through an extremely difficult period because of a nasty and corrupt government that owes favors to the different departments of the judicial system. The current government in Aruba, MEP has serious problems with the Dutch justice department yet they can not take a stand and voice their concerns due to the favors that they received over the years. The MEP government is maliciously leaking out information to the press about the Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten instead of confronting him or any other member of the justice department to ensure that there is no cover up in the investigation of the Holloway case.
The minister of justice, the political party MEP and the Dutch judges are portraying their partiality by bringing in a judge from a different Island to rule over the case yet the officials that are preparing the investigation are all friends and family of the suspect. How partial is this? Those who are preparing the investigation/case have access to all declarations, forensic reports, suspects and suspects family. Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).
The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King . In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with. King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?
Mathew was isolated for two years and eight months to ensure that the truth would not surface. The Arubian press and the minister of justice, Rudy Croes played a large roll in the defamation of his character to justify his isolation. Now that the truth has surfaced, certain politicians and senators have raised concern that this corruption will repeat itself in the Holloway case and justice will not be served. The minister of justice Rudy Croes is attacking Alexander Mathew, the politicians and the senators in the local newspapers based upon lies. The minister of justice is even accusing Mathew of owning the website "to hell with Aruba. Com," this is a false accusation that is being supported by the Arubian newspaper "Bon Dia Aruba."
Mathew states that the government and the prosecution department is corrupt and is harming the Holloway family and the entire Arubian population. If the Holloway case had been investigated appropriately from the beginning it would have been resolved by now and Aruba would not still be suffering.
The Holloway family must be aware of the corruption that encompasses the Arubian government and judicial system so that they can obtain the appropriate international aid to assist in the search for the truth, justice and most importantly their daughter Natalie.
The government and prosecution officials should offer to take a lie detector test. Assure the world that there is no cover up in the Natalie Holloway case. Help clear Aruba's name.
Massimo
RI, USA
4018645592 (phone)
[ Bericht 13% gewijzigd door observer777 op 18-02-2008 05:09:47 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Some people still want to know who daury is? Truth is PVDS was calling Natalee a corpse already in the first day. This article says a few days but it was before then. WHat did they do with the corpse(girl)?
OM: Vader Joran frustreert onderzoek Holloway
donderdag 30 juni 2005 07:54
De vader van Joran van der Sloot frustreert het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse scholiere Natalee Holloway. Dat zei de hoofdofficier van Justitie op Aruba woensdagavond in het tv-programma Nova. Volgens de officier heeft vader Van der Sloot belangrijke aanwijzingen gegeven aan zijn verdachte zoon en diens vrienden, waardoor ze hun verklaringen op elkaar konden afstemmen.
Natalee Holloway wordt nog steeds vermist
Paul van der Sloot, waarnemend rechter op Aruba, verklaarde zelf dinsdagavond in Nova dat hij de verdachte jongens alleen maar heeft uitgelegd hoe de procedure zou gaan verlopen als ze gearresteerd zouden worden (Ouders Joran: Onze zoon is onschuldig).
Volgens hoofdofficier Karin Janssen heeft vader Van der Sloot een paar dagen na de verdwijning van Holloway tegen de twee vrienden van zijn zoon Joran gezegd dat de politie zonder een lijk geen zaak tegen hen zou hebben.
Verklaring
Bovendien zou één van de twee vrienden van Joran na het afleggen van zijn verklaring aan de politie bij de ouders van Joran ontboden zijn om te vertellen wat hij precies had verklaard. Die informatie zou later door de advocaat van Joran weer aan hem medegedeeld zijn.
Dat is, zegt Janssen, op zijn zachtst gezegd nogal storend voor het onderzoek. Paul van der Sloot werd vorige week ook enige tijd vastgehouden op verdenking van medeplichtigheid aan de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. De Amerikaanse scholiere verdween een maand geleden tijdens een vakantie op Aruba.
Ze was het laatst gezien in het gezelschap van Joran van der Sloot en zijn twee vrienden. Beide ouders Van der Sloot blijven volhouden dat hun zoon Joran en zijn twee vrienden, broers, onschuldig zijn aan haar verdwijning
http://www.elsevier.nl/do(...)kel/52191/index.html
OM: Vader Joran frustreert onderzoek Holloway
donderdag 30 juni 2005 07:54
De vader van Joran van der Sloot frustreert het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse scholiere Natalee Holloway. Dat zei de hoofdofficier van Justitie op Aruba woensdagavond in het tv-programma Nova. Volgens de officier heeft vader Van der Sloot belangrijke aanwijzingen gegeven aan zijn verdachte zoon en diens vrienden, waardoor ze hun verklaringen op elkaar konden afstemmen.
Natalee Holloway wordt nog steeds vermist
Paul van der Sloot, waarnemend rechter op Aruba, verklaarde zelf dinsdagavond in Nova dat hij de verdachte jongens alleen maar heeft uitgelegd hoe de procedure zou gaan verlopen als ze gearresteerd zouden worden (Ouders Joran: Onze zoon is onschuldig).
Volgens hoofdofficier Karin Janssen heeft vader Van der Sloot een paar dagen na de verdwijning van Holloway tegen de twee vrienden van zijn zoon Joran gezegd dat de politie zonder een lijk geen zaak tegen hen zou hebben.
Verklaring
Bovendien zou één van de twee vrienden van Joran na het afleggen van zijn verklaring aan de politie bij de ouders van Joran ontboden zijn om te vertellen wat hij precies had verklaard. Die informatie zou later door de advocaat van Joran weer aan hem medegedeeld zijn.
Dat is, zegt Janssen, op zijn zachtst gezegd nogal storend voor het onderzoek. Paul van der Sloot werd vorige week ook enige tijd vastgehouden op verdenking van medeplichtigheid aan de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. De Amerikaanse scholiere verdween een maand geleden tijdens een vakantie op Aruba.
Ze was het laatst gezien in het gezelschap van Joran van der Sloot en zijn twee vrienden. Beide ouders Van der Sloot blijven volhouden dat hun zoon Joran en zijn twee vrienden, broers, onschuldig zijn aan haar verdwijning
http://www.elsevier.nl/do(...)kel/52191/index.html
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Picture taken before Joran went to give his DNA
DNA
Advocaat Rudi Oomen heeft de Procureur-Generaal gevraagd een onderzoek te starten naar het achterhouden van bewijsmateriaal door het OM. Het betreft DNA-materiaal dat ontlastend is voor zijn cliënt. Het materiaal werd in juli afgenomen. In hoger beroep bepaalde het Hof toen dat het afnemen van het materiaal niet rechtmatig was en dat het materiaal vernietigd moest worden, evenals eventuele onderzoeksresultaten.
Het OM bevestigde in een brief dat dit gebeurd was. Op de zitting van het Hof vorige week vroeg de rechter volgens Oomen door over dit DNA- materiaal. Hoofdofficier Karin Janssen gaf daarbij toe dat de resultaten van de DNA-test wel bij het OM bekend waren en dat deze ontlastend waren voor zowel Satish als Deepak Kalpoe.
Oomen: “Het is schokkend om te horen dat er kennelijk toch onderzoek op het materiaal is gepleegd, en nog erger om te horen dat de ontlastende resultaten nooit aan het dossier zijn toegevoegd, terwijl ze wel bekend zijn bij het OM. Zowel de rechter als de advocaten konden dit dus niet weten.”
Oomen maakt de vergelijking met de Nienke-zaak in Nederland, waarbij ontlastend materiaal werd achtergehouden. Oomen: “Het raakt de wortels van de rechtsstaat als dit soort dingen gebeuren. Als verdediging moet je kunnen vertrouwen op het OM.” (Amigoe)
http://tinyurl.com/hd9cj
DNA
Advocaat Rudi Oomen heeft de Procureur-Generaal gevraagd een onderzoek te starten naar het achterhouden van bewijsmateriaal door het OM. Het betreft DNA-materiaal dat ontlastend is voor zijn cliënt. Het materiaal werd in juli afgenomen. In hoger beroep bepaalde het Hof toen dat het afnemen van het materiaal niet rechtmatig was en dat het materiaal vernietigd moest worden, evenals eventuele onderzoeksresultaten.
Het OM bevestigde in een brief dat dit gebeurd was. Op de zitting van het Hof vorige week vroeg de rechter volgens Oomen door over dit DNA- materiaal. Hoofdofficier Karin Janssen gaf daarbij toe dat de resultaten van de DNA-test wel bij het OM bekend waren en dat deze ontlastend waren voor zowel Satish als Deepak Kalpoe.
Oomen: “Het is schokkend om te horen dat er kennelijk toch onderzoek op het materiaal is gepleegd, en nog erger om te horen dat de ontlastende resultaten nooit aan het dossier zijn toegevoegd, terwijl ze wel bekend zijn bij het OM. Zowel de rechter als de advocaten konden dit dus niet weten.”
Oomen maakt de vergelijking met de Nienke-zaak in Nederland, waarbij ontlastend materiaal werd achtergehouden. Oomen: “Het raakt de wortels van de rechtsstaat als dit soort dingen gebeuren. Als verdediging moet je kunnen vertrouwen op het OM.” (Amigoe)
http://tinyurl.com/hd9cj
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
well, it's just shokking tthat nobody but his dad knew about Natalee being in this state of being...
Just out of curiosity can anyone tell me what that article says where they are wearing the masks? I didn't realize the Dutch wear those kinds of costumes..I thought it was more of a Antilles thing then Dutch. TIA
[ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door observer777 op 18-02-2008 09:35:16 ]
[ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door observer777 op 18-02-2008 09:35:16 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
The article with people in costumes isn't important, I think, it's just a joke of 2 employees to introduce the kick off for a new organisation.
Translation:
On February 15 the Arnhem department received an unexpected visit from 2 animals. They came with a lot of enthousiasm to warm up and to invite the employees for the kick off at March 9. During this party of the departments Arnhem and Zutphen the kick off wil be given for the new organisation. On the picture: The animals with Remco van Tooren and Albert van der Kerk.
Translation:
On February 15 the Arnhem department received an unexpected visit from 2 animals. They came with a lot of enthousiasm to warm up and to invite the employees for the kick off at March 9. During this party of the departments Arnhem and Zutphen the kick off wil be given for the new organisation. On the picture: The animals with Remco van Tooren and Albert van der Kerk.
Thanks my friend from Curacaoquote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 09:36 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
The article with people in costumes isn't important, I think, it's just a joke of 2 employees to introduce the kick off for a new organisation.
Translation:
On February 15 the Arnhem department received an unexpected visit from 2 animals. They came with a lot of enthousiasm to warm up and to invite the employees for the kick off at March 9. During this party of the departments Arnhem and Zutphen the kick off wil be given for the new organisation. On the picture: The animals with Remco van Tooren and Albert van der Kerk.
Hows the Diving in Aruba? I see the water is a little rough? Diving with the Dolphins and out by de palm islnd looks pretty cool... Is Curacao a better place to dive?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I'm from Amsterdam now, I'm back home.quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 09:40 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Thanks my friend from Curacao
Diving @ Curaçao is better than on Aruba, more different kind of species of fish and better underwater nature.
Í haven't been diving with dolphins, but I did with sharks, sea turtles, sea basses (who bit me in my hand...) and stingrays.
Palm Island beside Aruba is not a great place to be for a diver, too much tourists who are ruining the corals...
But do you really care
I figured as Curacao is bigger than Aruba..Sure I care,I have been diving in Malaysia,Thailand and Hawaii and I loved it as well as a lot of snorkeling..We maybe on opposite sides of the boycott but does that mean we can't talk through our differences? You will never ever hear me say anything mean about the Aruban people but that Govt has to go. I have seen recently even the Arubans are getting vocal..It's a long wait until 2009quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 09:45 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
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I'm from Amsterdam now, I'm back home.
Diving @ Curaçao is better than on Aruba, more different kind of species of fish and better underwater nature.
Í haven't been diving with dolphins, but I did with sharks, sea turtles, sea basses (who bit me in my hand...) and stingrays.
Palm Island beside Aruba is not a great place to be for a diver, too much tourists who are ruining the corals...
But do you really care
XVII. Support the Effort
Update: Sun 17-Feb 1700 hrs
The decision to not immediately re-arrest Joran van der Sloot has not affected the resolve of the search team. Despite the poor weather, survey operations continue.
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Now that I'm back home I'm able to read the SM-forum again... 
I finaly found out why I was banned overthere:
Posted by Klaasend on Feb. 6:
Observer: Please tell Klaas that I'm pissing my pants right now because of an enormous laugh.
Only because I said that drunk girls on vacation (in common, all over the world) should take more care about themselves because the world ain't roses & peace all the time (which was probably 'translated' by Klaas as that Natalee was a drunk girl on the moment before she drove away from C&C with Joran) I'm banned.
And as I told before, also @ SM: I'm not even from Aruba, I'm from Holland, where I would say the same like I would do for every country/place on earth.
In the USA women aren't misused once in a while when they are drunk? Come on, that's not an Aruban issue, it's a worldwide issue...
I will try to improve my English to be understood better...
I finaly found out why I was banned overthere:
Posted by Klaasend on Feb. 6:
quote:Casa - he won't be returning. He said he made his last post and I have made sure it will be his last post.
I cannot tolerate the Aruban attitude towards women.
Observer: Please tell Klaas that I'm pissing my pants right now because of an enormous laugh.
Only because I said that drunk girls on vacation (in common, all over the world) should take more care about themselves because the world ain't roses & peace all the time (which was probably 'translated' by Klaas as that Natalee was a drunk girl on the moment before she drove away from C&C with Joran) I'm banned.
And as I told before, also @ SM: I'm not even from Aruba, I'm from Holland, where I would say the same like I would do for every country/place on earth.
In the USA women aren't misused once in a while when they are drunk? Come on, that's not an Aruban issue, it's a worldwide issue...
I will try to improve my English to be understood better...
Wel een erg zielige site als je daarom eraf gegooid bent.quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 11:09 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
Now that I'm back home I'm able to read the SM-forum again...
I finaly found out why I was banned overthere:
Posted by Klaasend on Feb. 6:
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Observer: Please tell Klaas that I'm pissing my pants right now because of an enormous laugh.
Only because I said that drunk girls on vacation (in common, all over the world) should take more care about themselves because the world ain't roses & peace all the time (which was probably 'translated' by Klaas as that Natalee was a drunk girl on the moment before she drove away from C&C with Joran) I'm banned.
And as I told before, also @ SM: I'm not even from Aruba, I'm from Holland, where I would say the same like I would do for every country/place on earth.
In the USA women aren't misused once in a while when they are drunk? Come on, that's not an Aruban issue, it's a worldwide issue...
I will try to improve my English to be understood better...
En ik geloof echt niet dat Natalee nog roomser dan de paus was.
Keep the faith!!
klaasend komt hier ook niet heb ik gezien
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Wat zijn zijn redenen daarvoor?quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 14:41 schreef johan555 het volgende:
klaasend komt hier ook niet heb ik gezien
Schijt 'ie sowieso op alles wat Arubaans of Nederlands is?
Zo gedraagt 'ie zich namelijk wel...
Ik ook niet!quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 12:55 schreef lookinforyou het volgende:
En ik geloof echt niet dat Natalee nog roomser dan de paus was.
Welke puber houdt nou niet de schijn op tegen zijn/haar ouders.
En welke ouder prijst nou niet zijn/haar puber de hemel in?
"Mijn kind drinkt niet, rookt niet, gebruikt geen drugs, heeft geen seks..."
Dat doen zowat alle ouders en dat is ook vrij normaal denk ik.
Als kind moet je eraan wennen dat je ouder wordt maar ook als ouders moet je dat imago van "mijn lieve onschuldige kindje" leren loslaten.
Net zoals Joran's moeder hem als onschuldig lammetje neerzet, zo doet Natalee's moeder dat ook. Terwijl ze diep in hun hart wel beter weten, ze zijn zelf tenslotte ook jong geweest, nietwaar?
Ik had het vreemder gevonden als Natalee die dagen op Aruba met een glaasje ranja de hele dag bij het zwembad had gezeten en om 9 uur naar bed was gegaan, dan dat ze dat hele lange weekend had gefeest en gedronken.
Hiermee wil ik zeker niet zeggen dat ze schuldig is aan wat haar is overkomen maar als je op een schoolreisje bent op Aruba als 18-jarige (zonder ouders) dan ga je lekker feesten. Je grenzen verkennen, dat is vrij normaal gedrag voor die leeftijd, imo.
Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil.
Van wat ik lees op SM is Klaasend een vrouw.quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 14:44 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
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Wat zijn zijn redenen daarvoor?
Schijt 'ie sowieso op alles wat Arubaans of Nederlands is?
Zo gedraagt 'ie zich namelijk wel...
Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil.
Ah, ik zal daar geen conclusies aan verbinden...quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 14:58 schreef Felixa het volgende:
Van wat ik lees op SM is Klaasend een vrouw.
je ziet op veel forums dat een admin het als een soort machts positie beschouwd en daar ook naar handelt
normaal is als je eerst iemand een waarschuwing geeft voordat je iemand op ip of naam of
login bant of streek kan zelf ook nog
als een admin dat niet doet is hij of zij dus eigenlijk niet geschikt om deze functie te hebben
ik zou even met the observer babbelen die lijkt me wel ok !
als je er wel kan lezen heb je een restrictie gekregen en kan je alleen niet posten
beetje flauw van die klaas end die zich zelf nogal ophemelt !
normaal is als je eerst iemand een waarschuwing geeft voordat je iemand op ip of naam of
login bant of streek kan zelf ook nog
als een admin dat niet doet is hij of zij dus eigenlijk niet geschikt om deze functie te hebben
ik zou even met the observer babbelen die lijkt me wel ok !
als je er wel kan lezen heb je een restrictie gekregen en kan je alleen niet posten
beetje flauw van die klaas end die zich zelf nogal ophemelt !
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Ik heb een IP-ban gekregen op het IP-adres dat ik op Aruba had, nu in NL heb ik uiteraard weer een ander IP-adres en kan ik gewoon weer lezen.quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 16:00 schreef johan555 het volgende:
je ziet op veel forums dat een admin het als een soort machts positie beschouwd en daar ook naar handelt
normaal is als je eerst iemand een waarschuwing geeft voordat je iemand op ip of naam of
login bant of streek kan zelf ook nog
als een admin dat niet doet is hij of zij dus eigenlijk niet geschikt om deze functie te hebben
ik zou even met the observer babbelen die lijkt me wel ok !
als je er wel kan lezen heb je een restrictie gekregen en kan je alleen niet posten
beetje flauw van die klaas end die zich zelf nogal ophemelt !
Posten wil ik er niet eens meer, heb vanmorgen weer genoeg bagger en hypocriet geleuter daar gelezen...
Ik snap het gewoon niet, pa van der sloot heeft op de dag dat natalee voor het eerst vermist was een boot gehuurd, bovendien is zijn disk van de compu bekeken en hij heeft gegoogled op alcohol drugs etc. Het is toch duidelijk waar het spoor heen leidt?
Precies, case solved & closed...quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 16:21 schreef Rosite het volgende:
Ik snap het gewoon niet, pa van der sloot heeft op de dag dat natalee voor het eerst vermist was een boot gehuurd, bovendien is zijn disk van de compu bekeken en hij heeft gegoogled op alcohol drugs etc. Het is toch duidelijk waar het spoor heen leidt?
Natuurlijk is het duidelijk waar het spoor heen leidt. Maar alleen moeilijk te bewijzen als je vriendjes hebt bij justitie en politie, die er de hand niet voor omdraaien om bewijsmateriaal te vernietigen of verklaringen te verdraaien in jouw en je zoons voordeel. Dat is nou juist het frustrerende in de hele zaak. En vandaar dat Joran zo relaxt bij Patrick in de auto zat: "mij kunnen ze niks meer maken."quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 16:21 schreef Rosite het volgende:
Ik snap het gewoon niet, pa van der sloot heeft op de dag dat natalee voor het eerst vermist was een boot gehuurd, bovendien is zijn disk van de compu bekeken en hij heeft gegoogled op alcohol drugs etc. Het is toch duidelijk waar het spoor heen leidt?
Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil.
Ik weet niet waar het spoor heen leidt. Leg eens uit.quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 16:21 schreef Rosite het volgende:
Ik snap het gewoon niet, pa van der sloot heeft op de dag dat natalee voor het eerst vermist was een boot gehuurd, bovendien is zijn disk van de compu bekeken en hij heeft gegoogled op alcohol drugs etc. Het is toch duidelijk waar het spoor heen leidt?
En ik heb nog geen bewijzen gezien dat PvdS een boot had gehuurd. Maar stel dat dat zo is.
En mocht je bedoelen dat PvdS natalee in zee heeft laten verdwijnen dan zul je toch met andere bewijzen moeten komen waarom je dat denkt.
er zal forensisch bewijs nodig zijn, dat weet je net zo goed als ik en als dat er al was dan is het achterovergedrukt en waarschijnlijker is, dat ze hun kansen het te krijgen hebben laten lopen.
Aruba: A Drug Trafficker's Paradise
By Jim Kouri, CPP
August 10, 2005
Located only 20 miles off the coast of Venezuela, the island paradise of Aruba serves as a transshipment point for illicit drugs—primarily cocaine from South America. Smugglers generally move large loads of cocaine into Aruba on fishing vessels, private yachts, and go-fast boats. They also move drugs out of Aruba inside maritime containerized cargo and airfreight. Drug trafficking organizations continue to exploit Aruba’s air and sea links to the continental United States, South America, Europe, Puerto Rico, and other Caribbean nations. Most of the cocaine transiting Aruba is destined for European markets—primarily the Netherlands.
Aruba has large free-zone facilities (areas that allow goods to be held and then re-shipped elsewhere without paying an import or duty tax), which provide opportunities for bulk shipments of cocaine to transit the area without the scrutiny of local officials. Cocaine shipments in containerized cargo increasingly are transiting the area, specifically through the free zone. The free-zone facilities on Aruba are conducive to transshipments, not only of drugs, but also chemicals used in illicit manufacture of drugs. Some firms in the free zone are suspected of involvement in money laundering.
Couriers on commercial flights and cruise ships smuggle small (usually from 1- to 10-kilogram) amounts of cocaine and, to a lesser extent, heroin, into and out of Aruba, either concealed in their luggage or taped to their bodies. Commercial air couriers, sometimes swallow up to 1 kilogram of cocaine or heroin per trip. Drug couriers easily blend into the hundreds of thousands of tourists who visit Aruba each year.
The proximity of Aruba to South America, a high standard of living in Aruba, and an underdeveloped law enforcement infrastructure make the country an attractive meeting place for South American, European, and U.S. drug traffickers. Colombian traffickers play a major role in the shipments of cocaine and heroin that transit the island, having forged trafficking relationships with local Arubans. In the past, some airline employees and cruise-ship personnel have smuggled drugs through Aruba.
Aruba plays a significant role as an offshore center for drug-related money laundering. Money laundering organizations are well established on Aruba and enjoy protection from considerable bank secrecy laws and a stable currency. The organizations use Aruba’s offshore banking and incorporation systems, free-zone areas, and resort/casino complexes to transfer and to launder drug proceeds. Although money laundering was made illegal in 1999, the legislation requires a provable underlying crime with a penalty of at least 4 years. The Government of Aruba also has an asset-seizure law that allows for seizure at the time of arrest to prevent criminals from moving assets prior to conviction.
The Government of Aruba has recently issued several decrees on money laundering that include increased oversight of casinos and insurance companies. The Government of Aruba also is in the process of instituting reporting requirements for cross-border currency movements in excess of 20,000 Aruban florins (approximately US$11,200). Aruba has a Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU), known as the Meldpunt Ongebruikelijke Transacties (MOT), and is a member of the Egmont Group, an international group of FIUs.
Aruba is not a source country for any of the chemicals used in illicit drug production and has no specific legislation controlling essential chemicals. Difficulties abound when attempting to gauge the levels of chemical transshipment through Aruba, as most chemicals legally pass through Aruba’s Free Trade Zone—an area in which local law enforcement has limited oversight due to local regulations and manpower shortages. The reporting of chemicals transiting the island is strictly voluntary.
The Aruba Organized Crime Unit, a small investigative team of the Aruba Police, or Politie, has responsibility for investigating large-scale drug trafficking crimes. The Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (CGNAA) is responsible for maritime drug interdictions around Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles. The Governments of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba have agreed to work more closely with the other coast guards operating in the region in order to present a united front against drug trafficking. The CGNAA has its own Criminal Intelligence Division (CID) which is separate from the Politie. However, due to Dutch law, unless the CGNAA can demonstrate that a given vessel is either coming from or going to territorial waters of the Netherlands Antilles or Aruba, any drug law enforcement, other than an administrative boarding, is considered illegal. Dutch investigators also support law enforcement investigations in the Netherlands Antilles.
Cocaine, heroin, and marijuana are readily available in Aruba. Wholesale amounts of cocaine sell for from US$3,800 to US$4,500 per kilogram among drug traffickers; heroin sells for about US$23,000 per kilogram; and marijuana sells for about US$2,000 per kilogram. These low prices suggest a heavy flow of drugs into Aruba. According to Aruban statistics, an estimated 14 percent of Arubans regularly use illicit drugs.
Aruba serves as one of two forward operating locations (FOLs) in the Caribbean for U.S. counterdrug aircraft. The FOL, located at Queen Beatrix Airport near Oranjestad, provides a landing and servicing area for counterdrug detection and monitoring missions in the region. The United States and Aruba do not have a formal maritime law enforcement agreement.
Sources: Central Intelligence Agency, Drug Enforcement Administration, National Security Institute
By Jim Kouri, CPP
August 10, 2005
Located only 20 miles off the coast of Venezuela, the island paradise of Aruba serves as a transshipment point for illicit drugs—primarily cocaine from South America. Smugglers generally move large loads of cocaine into Aruba on fishing vessels, private yachts, and go-fast boats. They also move drugs out of Aruba inside maritime containerized cargo and airfreight. Drug trafficking organizations continue to exploit Aruba’s air and sea links to the continental United States, South America, Europe, Puerto Rico, and other Caribbean nations. Most of the cocaine transiting Aruba is destined for European markets—primarily the Netherlands.
Aruba has large free-zone facilities (areas that allow goods to be held and then re-shipped elsewhere without paying an import or duty tax), which provide opportunities for bulk shipments of cocaine to transit the area without the scrutiny of local officials. Cocaine shipments in containerized cargo increasingly are transiting the area, specifically through the free zone. The free-zone facilities on Aruba are conducive to transshipments, not only of drugs, but also chemicals used in illicit manufacture of drugs. Some firms in the free zone are suspected of involvement in money laundering.
Couriers on commercial flights and cruise ships smuggle small (usually from 1- to 10-kilogram) amounts of cocaine and, to a lesser extent, heroin, into and out of Aruba, either concealed in their luggage or taped to their bodies. Commercial air couriers, sometimes swallow up to 1 kilogram of cocaine or heroin per trip. Drug couriers easily blend into the hundreds of thousands of tourists who visit Aruba each year.
The proximity of Aruba to South America, a high standard of living in Aruba, and an underdeveloped law enforcement infrastructure make the country an attractive meeting place for South American, European, and U.S. drug traffickers. Colombian traffickers play a major role in the shipments of cocaine and heroin that transit the island, having forged trafficking relationships with local Arubans. In the past, some airline employees and cruise-ship personnel have smuggled drugs through Aruba.
Aruba plays a significant role as an offshore center for drug-related money laundering. Money laundering organizations are well established on Aruba and enjoy protection from considerable bank secrecy laws and a stable currency. The organizations use Aruba’s offshore banking and incorporation systems, free-zone areas, and resort/casino complexes to transfer and to launder drug proceeds. Although money laundering was made illegal in 1999, the legislation requires a provable underlying crime with a penalty of at least 4 years. The Government of Aruba also has an asset-seizure law that allows for seizure at the time of arrest to prevent criminals from moving assets prior to conviction.
The Government of Aruba has recently issued several decrees on money laundering that include increased oversight of casinos and insurance companies. The Government of Aruba also is in the process of instituting reporting requirements for cross-border currency movements in excess of 20,000 Aruban florins (approximately US$11,200). Aruba has a Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU), known as the Meldpunt Ongebruikelijke Transacties (MOT), and is a member of the Egmont Group, an international group of FIUs.
Aruba is not a source country for any of the chemicals used in illicit drug production and has no specific legislation controlling essential chemicals. Difficulties abound when attempting to gauge the levels of chemical transshipment through Aruba, as most chemicals legally pass through Aruba’s Free Trade Zone—an area in which local law enforcement has limited oversight due to local regulations and manpower shortages. The reporting of chemicals transiting the island is strictly voluntary.
The Aruba Organized Crime Unit, a small investigative team of the Aruba Police, or Politie, has responsibility for investigating large-scale drug trafficking crimes. The Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (CGNAA) is responsible for maritime drug interdictions around Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles. The Governments of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba have agreed to work more closely with the other coast guards operating in the region in order to present a united front against drug trafficking. The CGNAA has its own Criminal Intelligence Division (CID) which is separate from the Politie. However, due to Dutch law, unless the CGNAA can demonstrate that a given vessel is either coming from or going to territorial waters of the Netherlands Antilles or Aruba, any drug law enforcement, other than an administrative boarding, is considered illegal. Dutch investigators also support law enforcement investigations in the Netherlands Antilles.
Cocaine, heroin, and marijuana are readily available in Aruba. Wholesale amounts of cocaine sell for from US$3,800 to US$4,500 per kilogram among drug traffickers; heroin sells for about US$23,000 per kilogram; and marijuana sells for about US$2,000 per kilogram. These low prices suggest a heavy flow of drugs into Aruba. According to Aruban statistics, an estimated 14 percent of Arubans regularly use illicit drugs.
Aruba serves as one of two forward operating locations (FOLs) in the Caribbean for U.S. counterdrug aircraft. The FOL, located at Queen Beatrix Airport near Oranjestad, provides a landing and servicing area for counterdrug detection and monitoring missions in the region. The United States and Aruba do not have a formal maritime law enforcement agreement.
Sources: Central Intelligence Agency, Drug Enforcement Administration, National Security Institute
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
bewijs gaat natuurlijk niet gevonden worden hier op internet.
heb wel respect voor de monkeys, zitten al bijna 3 jaar alle media op aruba en nederland te vertalen en te analyseren. dan kan je er heilig van overtuigd raken dat het zaakje stinkt.
hier hoef je alleen maar de 1ste uitzending van peter r. de vries voor te kijken.
heb wel het idee dat de monkeys vooral het rechtse gedeelte zijn van amerika. ze snappen ook vrij weinig van nederland. en al helemaal niet hoe de rechtsspraak hier werkt. al heeft aruba een ander wetboek van strafrecht maar wel weer nederlandse rechters en officieren van justitie.
het arubaanse parlement zou een enquete moeten starten naar het ministerie van justitie.
maar de regeringspartij heeft de absolute meerderheid dus voor de verkiezingen van najaar 2009 zal dat wel niet gebeuren.
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenl(...)g_gescheiden_machten
in nederland kunnen we er natuurlijk ook wat van met onze bouwfraude bijvoorbeeld.
heb wel respect voor de monkeys, zitten al bijna 3 jaar alle media op aruba en nederland te vertalen en te analyseren. dan kan je er heilig van overtuigd raken dat het zaakje stinkt.
hier hoef je alleen maar de 1ste uitzending van peter r. de vries voor te kijken.
heb wel het idee dat de monkeys vooral het rechtse gedeelte zijn van amerika. ze snappen ook vrij weinig van nederland. en al helemaal niet hoe de rechtsspraak hier werkt. al heeft aruba een ander wetboek van strafrecht maar wel weer nederlandse rechters en officieren van justitie.
het arubaanse parlement zou een enquete moeten starten naar het ministerie van justitie.
maar de regeringspartij heeft de absolute meerderheid dus voor de verkiezingen van najaar 2009 zal dat wel niet gebeuren.
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenl(...)g_gescheiden_machten
in nederland kunnen we er natuurlijk ook wat van met onze bouwfraude bijvoorbeeld.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Ken je nagaan, waar zij 3 jaar over doen doet Peter R. in één avond.quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 19:52 schreef Caesu het volgende:
heb wel respect voor de monkeys, zitten al bijna 3 jaar alle media op aruba en nederland te vertalen en te analyseren. dan kan je er heilig van overtuigd raken dat het zaakje stinkt.
hier hoef je alleen maar de 1ste uitzending van peter r. de vries voor te kijken.
Is hij nou zo slim of zijn zij nou zo dom?
Het type Amerikaan wat daar voornamelijk zit is het type 'I'm an American and I know what's good for this world and especially you'...quote:heb wel het idee dat de monkeys vooral het rechtse gedeelte zijn van amerika. ze snappen ook vrij weinig van nederland. en al helemaal niet hoe de rechtsspraak hier werkt. al heeft aruba een ander wetboek van strafrecht maar wel weer nederlandse rechters en officieren van justitie.
Ik heb een Amerikaanse zwager van hetzelfde type en daar wil ik al niet eens meer mee praten, ik wil hem niet eens meer zien. Ook zo'n patriotistische, nationalistische, van zichzelf vol zijnde, hypocriete, stront irritante 'We saved Europe in WOII, remember that...' Yank.
Zo, dat lucht op...
Gelukkig ken ik persoonlijk ook andere Amerikanen die zelfs nog nooit van deze zaak gehoord hebben. Daar kan ik het over het algemeen beter mee vinden en die benaderen dit soort zaken in z'n algemeenheid godzijdank een stuk nuchterer.
Ja, dat weet ik idd net zo goed, maar ik bedoel meer het principe van uitsluiten. Kan PvdS op zee zijn geweest met een boot in een bepaalde tijdspanne. En misschien zijn er getuige die nu gaan zeggen dat ze hem die dag op een boot hebben gezien dat is natuurlijk ook al iets om op verder te borduren.quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 16:52 schreef Rosite het volgende:
er zal forensisch bewijs nodig zijn, dat weet je net zo goed als ik en als dat er al was dan is het achterovergedrukt en waarschijnlijker is, dat ze hun kansen het te krijgen hebben laten lopen.
Ik moet ff aan dat shirt met vcb logo waar bloed op zou hebben gezeten denken daarbij werd ook een cleaning spray gevonden hoe zou dat in het verhaal passen? Of was dat misinformatie/dwaalspoor voorwerpen.
MadMaster,
You have much to learn about this case and also about Americans. You can't stereotype 300 million people because of a few that you have met nor can you judge this case by one show that Peter De Vries did. Talking to Americans that don't know anything about this case..What does that accomplish? Like I have said 1000 times if you want to learn the truth you have to go back to the beginning,everything since then has been in the wrong direction and lies.
The only thing I will say is that Americans are not as culturally diversed as Europeans. But that is obvious
You have much to learn about this case and also about Americans. You can't stereotype 300 million people because of a few that you have met nor can you judge this case by one show that Peter De Vries did. Talking to Americans that don't know anything about this case..What does that accomplish? Like I have said 1000 times if you want to learn the truth you have to go back to the beginning,everything since then has been in the wrong direction and lies.
The only thing I will say is that Americans are not as culturally diversed as Europeans. But that is obvious
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
the herebove statement about GHB isn't really true, the only thing what is dangerous, is the combination with alcohol, you can pass out en get into coma or in some rare case die.quote:
[ afbeelding ]
[b]What are the normal symptoms of GHB ingestion?
Intoxication, increased energy, happiness, talking, desire to socialize, feeling affectionate and playful, mild disinhibition, sensuality, enhanced sexual experience, muscle relaxation, loss of coordination due to loss of muscle tone, possible nausea, difficulty concentrating, loss of gag reflex, respiratory problems, loss of consciousness, being conscious but unable to move, and death- Especially when combined with alcohol or other drugs.
Effects of large doses:
Disinhibition, sedation, desire to sleep, rambling incoherent speech, giddiness, silliness, difficulty thinking, slurred speech, passing out, and death.
http://www.projectghb.org/what_is_ghb.htm
XTC with GHB gives a good effect, and is widely used.
In nature,GHB is present in several organs of the body
GHB is very salt,bitter. so if you mix it with drinks, you will taste it immediatly even if you are drunk.
it is only tagged as drugs for about 3 a 4 years in the netherlands.
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You have a lot to learn about 18 year old amaricain girls who are all straight a students who don't do drug and drink alot of alcohol.quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 21:31 schreef observer777 het volgende:
MadMaster,
You have much to learn about this case and also about Americans. You can't stereotype 300 million people because of a few that you have met nor can you judge this case by one show that Peter De Vries did. Talking to Americans that don't know anything about this case..What does that accomplish? Like I have said 1000 times if you want to learn the truth you have to go back to the beginning,everything since then has been in the wrong direction and lies.
The only thing I will say is that Americans are not as culturally diversed as Europeans. But that is obvious
Don't get me wrong , i think it's very sad an 18 yaers old girl dies by an od. But don't go tell me she was an angel who never did anything. I have seen too many angels doing alot of things which you don't expect from angels.
You can read Dutch? Fine...quote:Op maandag 18 februari 2008 21:31 schreef observer777 het volgende:
MadMaster,
You have much to learn about this case and also about Americans. You can't stereotype 300 million people because of a few that you have met nor can you judge this case by one show that Peter De Vries did. Talking to Americans that don't know anything about this case..What does that accomplish? Like I have said 1000 times if you want to learn the truth you have to go back to the beginning,everything since then has been in the wrong direction and lies.
The only thing I will say is that Americans are not as culturally diversed as Europeans. But that is obvious
I was talking about the majority of people (not meaning you btw) like Klaasend who respond to my few postings at SM and about my awfull brother in law who's from the US. I doný like those kind of people, wherever they come from...
I've got many friends in the USA who know how to have a good discussion and don't judge you after the first few words. Most of them don't even know about this case btw...
And for your information, I've been to the USA for about 14 times, mostly longer than 2 weeks, so I do know a little about the American way of thinking most people overthere do and it don't makes me smile...
An example when I was in a shopping mall one day:
Girl behind counter (about 25 years of age): Where are you from?
Me: Holland.
Girl: Holland? Is that the capitol of Germany?
Me: No, it's a country on itself, next to Germany.
Girl: Do you have a president?
Me: No, we have a queen.
Girl: Are you allowed to travel outside your country?
or
Man in bar: We know everthing about Russia because of the cold war, but Holland... Never heard about it. Is that close to Russia?
And these are no jokes...
I will be in the USA in October/November of this year to visit friends, hopefully far away from the people I just described.
Ach, als je meer leest zo over deze zaak stinkt het eigenlijk aan alle kanten. Bijna niemand van die high school is echt serieus ondervraagd. Dat is allemaal gestuurd en tot een minimum beperkt. Erg, erg vreemd. Het moet doorgaan voor een keurig neete groep. Maar, velen van die andere meiden en jongens hadden kunnen vertellen waar ze allemaal zijn geweest en met wie en. enz. Dan hadden er misschien heel andere mensen ook ondervraagd geweest. Maar noch de kids noch die chaperonnes zijn serieus ondervraagd. eeen klein beetje voor de formaliteit en dat is toch ook erg vreemd als je het mij vraagt. En voor zover ze iets gezegd hebben wwas het "responsible drinking" etc. wat ze hadden gedaan. Het is gelukkig zelfs een stel Amerikanen opgevallen dat de mede reisgenoten van N. niet aan de tand gevoeld zijn.
