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“I'm in trouble because I'm normal and slightly arrogant. A lot of people don't like themselves and I happen to be totally in love with myself.”
Wtf is that white moving bag thing at the end of the youtube movie. It's moving?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 03:07 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Ik typ straat.
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Missed all the other topics and its too much to read it allquote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 03:09 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Absolutely not true..The last time she was in the car with JK2 shortly after 1am. She has never been seen again. They need to question PVDS why he was telling people he had two contacts with her and picked her and his son up at 4AM.
. But my question to you is; how did you get on this forum and how did you get "involved" in this case? With the word "involved" I mean your interest in this case. As far as I know (by reading the last 3 pages) you are pretty well informed.
I think it's the windquote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 03:18 schreef LudoSanders het volgende:
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Wtf is that white moving bag thing at the end of the youtube movie. It's moving?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
It's not like me to become involved in missing person cases at all. I had a sixth sense the first day I saw it on TV that something was terribly wrong. My heart ached for the parents as well. I knew certain people were lying like Joran and the stories didn't add up so I went on the internet to learn more. I observed for a very long time before I posted much on the internet. This Family has absolutely been put through hell and then some and it still amazes me at all the lies and dis-information put out about Natalee and her family. I make no money,I do it all for love of Natalee and desperately just want this case solved so I too can move on. I came here to share my knowledge in hopes that together we can solve this.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 03:19 schreef RemcoW85 het volgende:
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Missed all the other topics and its too much to read it all
With the word "involved" I mean your interest in this case. As far as I know (by reading the last 3 pages) you are pretty well informed.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
It's all wrong info put out by plants steering people in the wrong direction and being payed to do so. Just like the gas station girl,clothing store,jewelery story,ran away with a blue eyed dutch boy,in colombia and ran away in brazil.. It's all bs and so is that Natalee returned to the hotel and used her key card.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 03:45 schreef Mistify het volgende:
Last paragraph: http://www.hollowaycase.com/analysis/6.htm
and http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/06apr/article086.html
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Forensic Investigators at the VDS home in 2007. Is this a clue what he was measuring? Did Natalee pass away or was injured at the VDS home?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
You can't say "100% (not) true" all the time without stating the facts. It's fine if you don't believe, but don't bring it as if they're are facts, when they're not, please. It's confusing.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
Sure I can..These were dismissed as wrong info a long time ago as well as the other lies..They knew JK2 were lying by June 1st when they reviewed all of the security tapes and she was never dropped of at the HI Hotel,but they still remained free for another 8 days while they tried to frame two innocent men. If Natalee was ever seen after JK2,show me one thing that shows this..Where is the proof? Where is it? They would have shown this years ago to clear the Van Der Sloots.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 04:02 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
You can't say "100% (not) true" all the time without stating the facts. It's fine if you don't believe, but don't bring it as if they're are facts, when they're not, please. It's confusing.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Well I dont know, because of the big cover up you're talking about maybe. They would want to blame Joran?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 04:06 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Sure I can..These were dismissed as wrong info a long time ago as well as the other lies..If Natalee was ever seen after JK2,show me one thing that shows this..Where is the proof? Where is it? They would have shown this years ago to clear the Van Der Sloots.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
Oh wait, they are the ones that dont want to blame Joran.
I got em mixed up, my bad.
I got em mixed up, my bad.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
That's a possibility that he is a sacraficial lamb,but in my opinion Joran is the main suspect and everything shows that and no one else. Even his attorney told the chief prosecuter in June 2005 that he played a major role in her dissapearance but it was up to them to prove it. Remember that? Peter R revealed that on his first show!quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 04:09 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
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Well I dont know, because of the big cover up you're talking about maybe. They would want to blame Joran?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
After what I posted on the last page, about Peter, Im not a big fan of his..quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 04:15 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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That's a possibility,but in my opinion Joran is the main suspect and everything shows that and no one else. Even his attorney told the chief prosecuter in June 2005 that he played a major role in her dissapearance but it was up to them to prove it. Remember that? Peter R revealed that on his first show!
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
Shame,We don't know him as well as people in Holland. But IMO he is the only one making this kind of effort to solve this case once and for all.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 04:18 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
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After what I posted on the last page, about Peter, Im not a big fan of his..
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
He is making an effort to get his own ass back in the picture and even bigger than before. But Ill admit that thanks to him the case did get ATTENTION again, but that is all he has done. And the tape? He didnt get anything new nor did he get anything he could use in court.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 04:25 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
He is making an effort to get his own ass back in the picture and even bigger than before. But Ill admit that thanks to him the case did get ATTENTION again, but that is all he has done. And the tape? He didnt get anything new nor did he get anything he could use in court.
Peter has done allot more than that. Most importantly he has done away with the whole disinfo campaign against Beth and the family and put Joran back on the stand in the court of public opinion. A meticulous effort of years trying to shift the blame away from Joran and his accomplices, even trying to place the blame on the victims themselves, all swooped away. Nobody's going to buy it anymore.
Secondly, Joran can never ever go back to saying he doesnt have anything to do with the "disappearance" of Natalee.
The case is wide open again and its now slowly going beyond Joran. Questions like who are his accomplices? Has he been protected? What part did Paulus VDS play?
I dont think there were many people even before the show who didnt think Joran did it. The only thing he accomplished is getting attention back.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 04:40 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Peter has done allot more than that. Most importantly he has done away with the whole disinfo campaign against Beth and the family and put Joran back on the stand in the court of public opinion. A meticulous effort of years trying to shift the blame away from Joran and his accomplices, even trying to place the blame on the victims themselves, all swooped away. Nobody's going to buy it anymore.
Secondly, Joran can never ever go back to saying he doesnt have anything to do with the "disappearance" of Natalee.
The case is wide open again and its now slowly going beyond Joran. Questions like who are his accomplices? Has he been protected? What part did Paulus VDS play?
If Joran were to say "I was lying" they cant do shit about it. So your "can never go back to saying he doesnt have anything to with it" doesnt go.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
Paul hiding in the bushes June 20th 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_RIz4ae75o (removed from youtube)
Anyone home??Hello??Is Anybody home??You got company..Knock Knock..Hi..Theres someone..Hi..Hi.Anybody home??Theres a guy right there..I see you in the bushes..Hello?? We just want to give you some cards..Hi..I'm Natalee's Mom..
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PVDS during his meeting with Beth and Greta in June 2005 before his arrest..He was sweating so profusely that Anita had to get a towel to wipe all the sweat from the table,even though the room was cool and a gentle breeze. He was also shaking so bad when she put on the hope bracelet it looked like he had parkinsons. In this meeting Anita spoke of the sexual things that Joran did to Natalee and described her blue underwear with flowers on it. How did Anita know this?
Beth: What I saw is something I have never seen before..In 90 minutes his sweat was only increasing..He was sweating profusely..After the first hour it was starting to roll of him and drip on the table and his wife had to grab a towel to wipe him down and wipe the table..
Issue goes back to May 31st at 3AM..Why would present a lie to begin with if you have nothing to hide?
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PVDS running from reporters in June 2005 after his arrest for suspicion of Kidnapping and Premediated Murder
[ Bericht 30% gewijzigd door observer777 op 08-02-2008 05:19:33 ]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_RIz4ae75o (removed from youtube)
Anyone home??Hello??Is Anybody home??You got company..Knock Knock..Hi..Theres someone..Hi..Hi.Anybody home??Theres a guy right there..I see you in the bushes..Hello?? We just want to give you some cards..Hi..I'm Natalee's Mom..
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PVDS during his meeting with Beth and Greta in June 2005 before his arrest..He was sweating so profusely that Anita had to get a towel to wipe all the sweat from the table,even though the room was cool and a gentle breeze. He was also shaking so bad when she put on the hope bracelet it looked like he had parkinsons. In this meeting Anita spoke of the sexual things that Joran did to Natalee and described her blue underwear with flowers on it. How did Anita know this?
Beth: What I saw is something I have never seen before..In 90 minutes his sweat was only increasing..He was sweating profusely..After the first hour it was starting to roll of him and drip on the table and his wife had to grab a towel to wipe him down and wipe the table..
Issue goes back to May 31st at 3AM..Why would present a lie to begin with if you have nothing to hide?
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PVDS running from reporters in June 2005 after his arrest for suspicion of Kidnapping and Premediated Murder
[ Bericht 30% gewijzigd door observer777 op 08-02-2008 05:19:33 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Come on? Even people like Greta Van Susteren have publicly stated they where inclined to believe Joran! You havent been paying attention. There was enough doubt raised that Beth and the family where getting a very hard time getting the attention back to their search. For the last year or so they where mostly busy defending themselves! Ludicrous allegations. Psychics coming out of nowhere with concocted stories. Thats was instantly changed last week.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 04:48 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
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I dont think there were many people even before the show who didnt think Joran did it. The only thing he accomplished is getting attention back.
quote:If Joran were to say "I was lying" they cant do shit about it. So your "can never go back to saying he doesnt have anything to with it" doesnt go.
He already said he made it up. Didnt do him any good did it? No he cant go back. That door is closed.
You better run like hellquote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 04:53 schreef observer777 het volgende:
PVDS running from reporters in June 2005 after his arrest for suspicion of Kidnapping and Premediated Murder
[ afbeelding ]
You better make your face up in
Your favourite disguise
With your button down lips and your
Roller blind eyes
With your empty smile
And your hungry heart
Feel the bile rising from your guilty past
With your nerves in tatters
When the cockleshell shatters
And the hammers batter
Down the door
You better fun like hell
You better run all day
And run all night
And keep your dirty feelings
Deep inside
And if you take your girlfriend
Out tonight,
You better park the car
Well out of sight
Cos if they catch you in the back seat
Trying to pick her locks
They’re gonna send you back to mother
In a cardboard box
You better run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYd6mCAcQw8
Like I said, he got the attention back. Ill give him that.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 05:00 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Come on? Even people like Greta Van Susteren have publicly stated they where inclined to believe Joran! You havent been paying attention. There was enough doubt raised that Beth and the family where getting a very hard time getting the attention back to their search. For the last year or so they where mostly busy defending themselves! Ludicrous allegations. Psychics coming out of nowhere with concocted stories. Thats was instantly changed last week.
I actually spoke to my lawyer friend about it tonight. He can go back. And the arrested for murder thing is really weird, because, with this, they can never get him for murder. Even disposing a body will be difficult, let alone murder.quote:He already said he made it up. Didnt do him any good did it? No he cant go back. That door is closed.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
Correct...quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 05:04 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
I actually spoke to my lawyer friend about it tonight. He can go back. And the arrested for murder thing is really weird, because, with this, they can never get him for murder. Even disposing a body will be difficult, let alone murder.
Or other evidence that the Dutch/Aruban justice might have is strong enough to kick Joran in the balls after all. The confesssion on tape is no solid evidence.
I'm not a lawyer, so...quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 05:13 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
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Didnt need the lawyer for that one eh
Oh the prosecution will have a tough time putting the case together, I'm sure. Getting the accomplices will be the highest priority I guess. We will have to wait and see. I was primarily talking about the court of public opinion. He lost that one last Sunday, without possibility of appeal.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 05:04 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
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Like I said, he got the attention back. Ill give him that.
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I actually spoke to my lawyer friend about it tonight. He can go back. And the arrested for murder thing is really weird, because, with this, they can never get him for murder. Even disposing a body will be difficult, let alone murder.
And how is the public gonna get him behind bars? Im just happy there are still people who want proof first.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
Although I can be cynical about things happening in this case, from both sides btw, I would like to repeat that for me JvdS is an asshole end I hope he's being caught for what he did, which I'm sure about, one way or another.
But all the speculations/conspiracy's make me sick...
But all the speculations/conspiracy's make me sick...
I think we are talking on different levels here.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 05:21 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
And how is the public gonna get him behind bars? Im just happy there are still people who want proof first.
Sure, I believe in rule by law. When its not a rigged game that is..
Personally, I find a sense of justice in hearing that Joran is in hiding eversince the broadcast.
Why spend time on that then? Why read and reply in these topics? Why even sign up for SM?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 05:31 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
But all the speculations/conspiracy's make me sick...
Do you want to lecture? Want to influence opinion? What?
Belt found by searchers early in the case that appears to be similar to Joran's. The ALE said it was too old to be Jorans and believed to be thrown away..Where is the belt?
Tarp seen in picture on NE part of the island..Is this insignificant or something to do with the case?This was the area by the Natural Bridge. PVDS was spotted near here by searchers early in the morning after they found the belt.
Shallow grave found early in the case by searchers in Aruba,also on the north coast.
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Tarp seen in picture on NE part of the island..Is this insignificant or something to do with the case?This was the area by the Natural Bridge. PVDS was spotted near here by searchers early in the morning after they found the belt.
Shallow grave found early in the case by searchers in Aruba,also on the north coast.
[ Bericht 32% gewijzigd door observer777 op 08-02-2008 08:48:43 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Easy.. Joran told her.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 04:53 schreef observer777 het volgendeIn this meeting Anita spoke of the sexual things that Joran did to Natalee and described her blue underwear with flowers on it. How did Anita know this?
He even writes about it in his book:
More quotes from his book herequote:P 86
(with Natalee in Deepak's car)
Her legs are touching mine. She wears a short “jeans” skirt and covers her crotch with her hand, I believe to prevent us from seeing her panties. They are dark blue with embroidered flowers, you could easily see that even despite her hand.
She says that she has enjoyed her time at Aruba, and that her girlfriends also met other guys with whom they spent some time together: Louis and Joshua. I know these guys, I’ve also seen them at the hotel that day. They were also chatting with the girls from Mountain Brook High. They are more boys "hunting" for nice girls.
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/book/excerpts.htm
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The reason for why I'm doubting that Paulus has something to do with it, is because Satish and Deepak never said anything about Paulus, not even in their true statements.
How do I know they even gave a true statement? Again I have to point to the confessions written by the police:
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/index.htm
If you read all of them you can see a good time frame and some inconsistencies in the stories.
These inconsistencies is what breakes the boys down. Because they tell different stories like in what lane they stopped infront of the hotel to let Natalee out.
That story was fabricated only when Paulus called Joran at his mobile when an angry mob of Americans where at his door.
He and Satish then started planning a different story because Satish never expected Joran to be involved with her disapearing.
Satish then called Deepak and told him to hang on to that story.
Problem is they didn't do a very good job duplicating the stories so already from the beginning something smelled fishy.
At one point Joran told one of his friend what 'really'happend, that is that Joran actually 'left' the girl on the beach, and when Joran got arrested, that friend thought it would be better if Anita and Paul knew the 'real' story. I Think it was at that point that Paul felt responsible for not telling other people what Joran knew, and that does make you sweat alot!
By the way when i say " I'm doubting that Paulus has something to do with it" I mean with the disapearing/body dumping. It's very well possible that Paulus believed joran that he did not kill the girl and that Joran's friend dumped the body when she tripped on drugs and died(maybe also a false statement to his own father) and then Paulus helped Joran to boycot the investigion.
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- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
Where did he see her underwear in the back seat of the dark car? Was it before or after she was unconscious? Before or after Satish put the porno on?
Why would PVDS tell people he had two contacts with NH and picked her and Joran up at 4AM. He didnt change that story for almost 3 weeks until almost his arrest! He then changed his story! As quoted in the last thread by his interrogator. He also appears to be talking to NH in the casino. Not sure but it look's like him. In his statements he said he left 2 hours earlier. Why was he arrested for suspicion of Pre-Meditated Murder and Kidnapping?
They fabricated that story even before Natalee was reported missing(See Freddy's acct who is the one who knows the truth) I believe Freddy also says she collpased at the beach and they could not wake her. PVDS called Natalee a corpse even before she was really missing!! No corpse no case,he told them in the meeting by the pool! Also Karen Janssen confirms he said this the first day Natalee was missing.
Deepak Quotes from the police car tapes
If they find the girl they will see the shit!
You will get 15 years if they find the girl!
Your own Father!! Unbelievable!!
BTW: I don't think Natalee was ever at the beach..At least not conscious..She was at the sloot house..Joran in one of his statements says they went there at 1:40AM but did not go in 
. In another statement he says he has sex with her there. Also he told that reporter in Holland he had sex with her at his house. Makes sense why they blocked the search of that home and it wasnt searched for two years.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326
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Why would PVDS tell people he had two contacts with NH and picked her and Joran up at 4AM. He didnt change that story for almost 3 weeks until almost his arrest! He then changed his story! As quoted in the last thread by his interrogator. He also appears to be talking to NH in the casino. Not sure but it look's like him. In his statements he said he left 2 hours earlier. Why was he arrested for suspicion of Pre-Meditated Murder and Kidnapping?
They fabricated that story even before Natalee was reported missing(See Freddy's acct who is the one who knows the truth) I believe Freddy also says she collpased at the beach and they could not wake her. PVDS called Natalee a corpse even before she was really missing!! No corpse no case,he told them in the meeting by the pool! Also Karen Janssen confirms he said this the first day Natalee was missing.
Deepak Quotes from the police car tapes
If they find the girl they will see the shit!
You will get 15 years if they find the girl!
Your own Father!! Unbelievable!!
BTW:
I don't think Natalee was ever at the beach..At least not conscious..She was at the sloot house..Joran in one of his statements says they went there at 1:40AM but did not go in . In another statement he says he has sex with her there. Also he told that reporter in Holland he had sex with her at his house. Makes sense why they blocked the search of that home and it wasnt searched for two years.http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Don't make shit up and get the facts to gether:quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 09:35 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Deepak Quotes from the police car tapes
If they find the girl they will see the shit!
You will get 15 years if they find the girl!
Your own Father!! Unbelievable!!
If you want to read all of it go here:
http://www.hollowaycase.c(...)icecartscript624.htm
Those things you quote are all lines they said but not in that order!
Example:
J says to D: The only thing I can think about, is my family, I do what my family tells me to do.
J says to the brother: Huh mongol.
D says to J: Simply your own father, unbelievable.
And the thing is, Deepak is talking about that he is only (simply, if you translated that into dutch, the language they spoke, it'll be gewoonweg je vade') listoning to his father.
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
Help me out here Observer, There so much to read on SM, I don't know where I can find these statements or anywhere else. Can you give me a link please..?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 09:35 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Where did he see her underwear in the back seat of the dark car? Was it before or after she was unconscious? Before or after Satish put the porno on?
Why would PVDS tell people he had two contacts with NH and picked her and Joran up at 4AM. He didnt change that story for almost 3 weeks until almost his arrest! He then changed his story! As quoted in the last thread by his interrogator. He also appears to be talking to NH in the casino. Not sure but it look's like him. In his statements he said he left 2 hours earlier. Why was he arrested for suspicion of Pre-Meditated Murder and Kidnapping?
They fabricated that story even before Natalee was reported missing(See Freddy's acct who is the one who knows the truth) I believe Freddy also says she collpased at the beach. PVDS called Natalee a corpse even before she was really missing!! No corpse no case,he told them in the meeting by the pool! Also Karen Janssen confirms he said this the first day Natalee was missing.
Deepak Quotes from the police car tapes
If they find the girl they will see the shit!
You will get 15 years if they find the girl!
Your own Father!! Unbelievable!!
BTW:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326
TIA
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Volgende week nieuw besluit over aanhouding Joran
Gepubliceerd: 8 februari 2008 06:46 | Gewijzigd: 8 februari 2008 07:07
ANP
Oranjestad, 8 febr. Pas na het weekeinde wordt besloten of Joran van der Sloot alsnog wordt aangehouden. Dat maakte het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) op Aruba bekend.
De onderzoeksrechter wees vorige week een vordering van het OM af om de verdachte van de de moord op Natalee Holloway in voorarrest te nemen. Tegen de beslissing is dinsdag beroep aangetekend.
Omdat Van der Sloot al twee keer is aangehouden, zijn de eisen zwaar. De bekentenis in het tv-programma van Peter R. de Vries voldoet niet aan de eisen.
Het OM heeft tot vrijdag uiterlijk tot twaalf uur 's middags de tijd om alle relevante informatie in te dienen bij het gerechtshof dat zich over het beroep zal buigen. Verwacht wordt dat daar ook de verklaring van Joran van der Sloot bijkomt, die hij aanbood bij de politie af te leggen na de uitzending van Peter R. de Vries. Het is onbekend of dat al is gebeurd.
De Arubaanse hoofdofficier van justitie, Hans Mos, bevindt zich momenteel in Nederland. Maar volgens een woordvoerder is hij daar alleen voor vakantie, ,,niet voor de zaak''. Het OM geeft geen nieuwe informatie omtrent de zaak, totdat het gerechtshof heeft besloten.
Bron
Gepubliceerd: 8 februari 2008 06:46 | Gewijzigd: 8 februari 2008 07:07
ANP
Oranjestad, 8 febr. Pas na het weekeinde wordt besloten of Joran van der Sloot alsnog wordt aangehouden. Dat maakte het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) op Aruba bekend.
De onderzoeksrechter wees vorige week een vordering van het OM af om de verdachte van de de moord op Natalee Holloway in voorarrest te nemen. Tegen de beslissing is dinsdag beroep aangetekend.
Omdat Van der Sloot al twee keer is aangehouden, zijn de eisen zwaar. De bekentenis in het tv-programma van Peter R. de Vries voldoet niet aan de eisen.
Het OM heeft tot vrijdag uiterlijk tot twaalf uur 's middags de tijd om alle relevante informatie in te dienen bij het gerechtshof dat zich over het beroep zal buigen. Verwacht wordt dat daar ook de verklaring van Joran van der Sloot bijkomt, die hij aanbood bij de politie af te leggen na de uitzending van Peter R. de Vries. Het is onbekend of dat al is gebeurd.
De Arubaanse hoofdofficier van justitie, Hans Mos, bevindt zich momenteel in Nederland. Maar volgens een woordvoerder is hij daar alleen voor vakantie, ,,niet voor de zaak''. Het OM geeft geen nieuwe informatie omtrent de zaak, totdat het gerechtshof heeft besloten.
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
*vergrootglas zoektquote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:01 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Don't make shit up and get the fact to gether:
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If you want to read all of it go here:
http://www.hollowaycase.c(...)icecartscript624.htm
Those things you quote are all lines they said but not in that order!
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Where the hell did I make anything up? All facts my friend! I never said they were in that order,just quotes,also I dont read dutch or papi so we had to rely on the translations.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:01 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Don't make shit up and get the fact to gether:
If you want to read all of it go here:
Those things you quote are all lines they said but not in that order!
Your own Father!! Unbelievable!!
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
How can you randomly put quotes next to eichother when they have got nothing to do with eichother?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:06 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Where the hell did I make anything up? All facts my friend! I never said they were in that order..
Your own Father!! Unbelievable!!
It looks abit like you try to put the blame on paulus just because you think he has to be in it.
I've also read about that blood in Deepak's car.
That statement is from Joran. Joran also said Deepak came with 2 dogs to bury Natalee.
I mean Joran is making up so many stuff to move the blame away from him.
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
Morningquote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:02 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Help me out here Observer, There so much to read on SM, I don't know where I can find these statements or anywhere else. Can you give me a link please..?
TIA
I know,it's hard for me to find stuff also at SM,so I search for it. What did you want to know? Most everything I said was in the PV'S or from that Court Ruling in Aruba when PVDS was denied his money,which I pasted the article twice here at FOK.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
One other thing Observer, can you show me documents or anything about Paulus saying he drove Joran and Natalee?
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
Because I was quoting what interest me from those tapes. Like Deepak telling him he will get 15 years if they find the girl. Or if they find the girl they will see the shit. Who cares if I put them together? Why would he be telling him he will get 15 years if they find the girl? That makes them look innocent? The blood in the car did not come from Joran,It came from the Aruban Prime Minister on TV,The Aruban Minister of Justice and others. All over the American press as well. Search for at SM,I think I even put some of it in the suspects car thread there.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:11 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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How can you randomly put quotes next to eichother when they have got nothing to do with eichother?
It looks abit like you try to put the blame on paulus just because you think he has to be in it.
I've also read about that blood in Deepak's car.
That statement is from Joran. Joran also said Deepak came with 2 dogs to bury Natalee.
I mean Joran is making up so many stuff to move the blame away from him.
Joran confessed on June 10th and the next day they retracted the statement and said it was mis-information,I think on the 13th he was crying he was being framed and thats when he said Deepak came with two dogs and he thinks Deepak came back and raped and murdered her. ALL BS!
Yes,PVDS involvement intrigues me,WTH would he be telling people,he had two contacts with NH and picked her and Joran up at 4AM? Forever all we heard was Joran dropped her at the the hotel,then the beach..Aruban officials kept telling the world he left her at 2AM,when all along they had wiretaps and witnesses that place PVDS with her at 4AM. I think PVDS is a liar and never went to no bank to deposit money that Joran never won on May 29th,look at hios statements for a lawyer and judge he has a wrotten memory!! ALL Lies from two liars covering up a murder!! I think he lied about going home also from the casino,it certainly looks to be him talking and sitting next to NH at the BJ table 2 hours after he said he went home.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Morningquote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:13 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Morning
I would like to read the statement in your post I put in bold?
Also, I'm curious, last night I've read about the suicide hangings in Aruba in 2006 on SM, some TV-woman called Bridgitte and some cameraman? What does this had to do with this case and do you maybe know what it means: hanging with the hand(s) in their pockets?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
Don't get confused, those statements are wrongly quoted and defenitely not in that order.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:26 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Morning
I would like to read the statement in your post I put in bold?
Also, I'm curious, last night I've read about the suicide hangings in Aruba in 2006 on SM, some TV-woman called Bridgitte and some cameraman? What does this had to do with this case and do you maybe know what it means: hanging with the hand(s) in their pockets?
Check the PDF here to see what really was said:
http://judicial-inc.biz/arubaTranscript3.pdf
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
Dank u!quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:26 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Hier is het in PDF:
http://judicial-inc.biz/arubaTranscript3.pdf
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
I'M going to bed its way late here. I posted it here twice here at FOK written from the Diario Newspaper from the Supreme Court ruling when he was denied his money when he sued the courts. It was clearly understood by the Aruban courts about his involvement from wiretaps,witnesses and his mouth. Also I believe there may have been a witness that saw him out in his jeep at 3-4am that night. If you look at Natalee(In the Rebound) I think on the last thread or the 1st one it even has the link to Diario,you can see the original article in Papi and I also posted what his interrogator said about him changing stories.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:21 schreef Ticker het volgende:
One other thing Observer, can you show me documents or anything about Paulus saying he drove Joran and Natalee?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
One other thing though; couple a months ago I read (I'am not certain where anymore), that the mother of Natalee had a relationship with the father of JoBenet Ramsey at the time of Natalee's disappearance. Is that also false?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 01:52 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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It was recently told by two fraud psychics on Aruban TV,Newspaer and Radio just a few weeks ago. It has been mentioned previously by others involved in the Mis-Inforamtion campaign.
I´m back.
