Welcome to the jungle*
It's so easy*
Nighttrain
Out to get me
Mr. Brownstone
Paradise city*
My michelle
Think about you
Sweet child O' mine*
You're crazy
Anything goes
Rocket Queen*
1989
Reckless life
Nice boys
Move to the city
Mama kin
Patience*
Used to love her
You're crazy *Kijk in de Appetite of destruction sectie*
One in a million
1991
Next to door hell
Dust N bones
Live and let die
Perfect crime
You aint te first
Bad obsession
Back off bitch
Double talkin jive
November rain*
The garden
Garden of eden*
Don't damn me
Bad apples
Dead horse*
Coma
1991
Civil war
14 Years
Yesterdays*
Knockin' on heavens door
Get in the ring
Shotgun blues
Breakdown
Pretty tied up
Locomotive
So fine
Estranged*
You could be mine*
Don't cry*
My world
1993
Since I don't have you*
New rose
Down on the farm
Human being
Raw power *geen video gevonden*
Ain't it fun
Buick Mackane
Hair of the dog
Attitude
Black Leather-Instrumental Demo, ik vond gene andere-
You can't put your arms around a memory
I don't care about you
2007-8??
"New" Guns n roses
Chinese democracy
IRS
Better
Madagascar
The blues
Axl @ 2007, ziet er veel beter uit dan 5 jaar geleden, ready for the new millinium zou ik zeggen, hoewel een beetje te laat
Ik zal wel nog wat informatie op de OP zetten, maar ik heb nu eerst ander werk te doen
*Music video.
[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door Ilovepie op 06-10-2007 20:05:32 ]
Overigens moet ik wel eerlijk vermelden dat ik de concerten over het algemeen genomen beter vind dan hun studio opnames. De vrijheid die er is tussen de nummers om even wat te jammen (met name duff en slash uiteraard) laat pas blijken hoe goed die jongens daadwerkelijk zijn, iets wat imo niet altijd even goed naar voren komt op de albums....
Appetite For Destruction
Goed video-overzicht in de OP trouwens!
Spaghetti Incident is op zich best goed te luisteren, vind ik. Niet helemaal GnR-style, maar op zich vind ik m wel leuk
De officiele spelling is trouwens Guns n' Roses, met een apostrof aan de rechterkant van de n
quote:Op zaterdag 6 oktober 2007 16:09 schreef WurM het volgende:
De officiele spelling is trouwens Guns n' Roses, met een apostrof aan de rechterkant van de n
Het is Guns N' Roses
Leuk topic over mijn favoriete band. Ik ben groot fan van deze band en dan met name van de 'nieuwe' gnr.
Even wat updates m.b.t. de nieuwe gnr:
Madagascar studio:
The Blues studio
Deze zijn nog vergeten:
There Was A Time
Catcher In The Rye
Helaas zijn deze nummers opgenomen tussen 1999 en 2002; de tijd dat Axl's stem lang niet meer was zoals in de vroegere jaren. Gelukkig is zijn stem sinds de comeback in 2006 weer helemaal als vanouds. Eind 2006 is de band de studio ingegaan en heeft daar Chinese Democracy met succes opgenomen. Het is nu nog wachten op de mastering van de cd, wat lang op zich laat wachten, maar dat zijn de fans inmiddels wel gewend.
[ Bericht 22% gewijzigd door JosD. op 06-10-2007 16:52:20 ]
1992, de Kuip.
Soundgarden/Faith no more/ Guns n' roses. Wat een ervaring !
Recente foto's:
quote:Op zaterdag 6 oktober 2007 20:12 schreef Djaser het volgende:
Leuke band hoor maar in Chinese Democracy geloof ik niet meer.
Patience
We krijgen binnenkort wel muziek van Axl Rose te horen. Hij heeft drie nummers ingezongen op het album van Sebastian Bach. Dit album komt wél uit, op 20 november 2007.
AXL ROSE TO APPEAR ON SEBASTIAN BACH'S NEW ALBUM, 'ANGEL DOWN'
By Axl Rose
Bas asked me to sing on his new record, "Angel Down," and I agreed and came down to his studio where he played me the tracks. I really liked the title/opening track, "Angel Down," but I didn't feel that it would be right to be on that one, although, of course, it would've been cool because it's a great rip-your-head-off track!!
Since this session was rather a more fun atmosphere, the tracks I sang on kind of showed themselves and were also done out of curiosity on the part of Bas, myself, and his producer, Roy Z, just to see if my involvement brought something that worked for the tracks.
Bas really wanted me on "Bitchslap," and I got to try my own ideas on it. We're not saying much about the second track, as it may be taken a bit further, and when Bas played the third track, "Stuck Inside," he suggested a kind of call-and-answer part. They allowed me the freedom to write my own words and melodies, and although it's only a couple of lines, it really felt great. The song has such a mean riff, and Bas' guys were so supportive in so many ways on tour and fun to hang with, that it was great to be a part of something of theirs and I think it really came out strong.
For me, the three songs together are a good package. They are all different, with different approaches and styles from each other and from material I have on the upcoming Guns N’ Roses record. For me, the timing couldn’t be better and I’m quite surprised to be on one song, let alone three!!!
Bas really knew where he saw my involvement on his album and had different options in mind. He knew what seemed obvious, what would be fun, what would work for his album and what he felt I would like. I really liked the energy of the tracks and since I'm rarely asked to do anything I'd actually enjoy or be glad to be a part of, I'm more than grateful for the opportunity and hope the fans get a kick out of it as well.
Rocket Queen is trouwens m'n favoriete nummer van hun. Die laatste minuut is echt schitterend.
Tenminste dat waren ze... Was erg leuk in Nijmegen vorig jaar, maar niet omdat het muzikaal gezien nou zo briljant was... In het nieuwe album geloof ik eigenlijk ook niet meer... Maar ik blijf hopen
Maar ja, die kans is nihil...
quote:Dan ontbreken Izzy Stradlin en Steven Adler...Op woensdag 10 oktober 2007 23:05 schreef WurM het volgende:
De nieuwe GNR hoeft van mij ook niet zo zeer eigenlijk... Als ze Velvet Revolver nou gewoon de naam Guns n' Roses geven en Axl als zanger aanstellen...
Maar ja, die kans is nihil...
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X1MONSUF of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz_A98oyuBA
Geweldig nummer
[ Bericht 19% gewijzigd door JosD. op 28-10-2007 12:51:18 ]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLrpmAjZwOI
[ Bericht 14% gewijzigd door JosD. op 30-10-2007 18:01:19 ]
quote:Daarom heet het ook Guns N' Roses EinsteinOp zaterdag 6 oktober 2007 20:11 schreef monco76 het volgende:
De Axl Rose band bedoel je.
. En aangezien de heer Guns al vroegtijdig de band verliet kun je je conclusies trekken quote:Begint echt heel goed, maar op het punt dat het even rustig wordt wordt het mij te slap.Op maandag 29 oktober 2007 10:00 schreef JosD. het volgende:
Axl Rose en Sebastian Bach - Stuck Inside:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X_7Dhy8mhxQ
quote:Velvet Revolver maakt ook wel andere muziek...Op woensdag 10 oktober 2007 23:05 schreef WurM het volgende:
De nieuwe GNR hoeft van mij ook niet zo zeer eigenlijk... Als ze Velvet Revolver nou gewoon de naam Guns n' Roses geven en Axl als zanger aanstellen...
Maar ja, die kans is nihil...
From the desk of : -------------------, Geffen, Interscope A&M
FAO: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------.
---Guns N' Roses---
Thank you for your patience with the proceedings of the album by the hard rock band "Guns N' Roses". The album "Chinese Democracy" is finally in post production as of January 2008. It has been nearly eight long, arduous years and as such it is a thrill to finally announce that the album is indeed completed.
Suggested Finalized Information:
(please refer to attachment CDsongs.nfo_1)
(please refer to attachment DVDchapters.nfo_2)
To say this album has taken a while is most certainly, an understatement, after various demonstrational products of the album leaked, two world tours had to be cancelled, then pulled back with a phenomenal world tour of 2006/2007, shows the fans patience in this band, and indeed the final album in question, Chinese Democracy.
Mr Rose was personally at Interscope earlier this month and thanks to our marketing and legal departments, has secured the rights for the sound bites and speech as used by Martin Luther King in the song "Madagascar" and thus we have come to an abridged agreement with the three siblings of the King Estate as of September 2007, as well as the guitar work used by the artist "Buckethead" stemming from earlier recordings of the album before his departure in 2004.
The original plans for this major release were to have included an earlier Extended Play disc and then to stem from that the first and second singles from the album, however due to conflicts of interest of the album the plans had been scrapped as of December 2007. The original Extended Play disc was to have contained at least three mastered tracks that were set to be on the album "Chinese Democracy" including the former referred song "Madagascar", as well as three that weren't, in order to give the fans a preview of the album that was forthcoming, however various problems have included lawsuits from former band members, the collapse of our sister company and the forced merger that has tied into that stemming from profits and loss of the financial year of 2006/2007.
The band's original plans were that the album would be released after the world tour in 2007, as with the world tour wrapped up and old and new fans seeing the new incarnation of Guns N' Roses, the album was expected to become a juggernaut and even one of the crown jewels of the music year, along with other established artists under our banner including "Good Charlotte" and "A Fire Inside" as well as our recent signed artists from the UK including "The Klaxons" and "Enter Shikari", then a longer than scheduled tour would have occurred in 2007 into 2008, backing the release of the album and playing shows and festivals that were not on other tours in previous years to integrate the world tour experience.
In late 2007, developments came around new material that had been recorded earlier in the year, with the option of those tracks becoming both physical and digital releases; however more problems arose when Mr. Rose and the current producer, Mr. Andy Wallace, declined against using the mix of the tracks. The tracks, which included the track known as "Motormouth" were set to be used in the new game by Electronic Arts Inc. known as "Burnout Paradise", however an agreement did come through the use of the original master track "Paradise City" which was the tie-in theme for the game.
However more recently the development of financial setbacks have arisen over the prospective release and schedule over the album, with the band set to tour in late 2008 into 2009 following the suggested release of the album has meant that the financing of one Mr. Rose has had to come to an abrupt halt for the time being, as the continuing conflicts are preventing us from nearing 100% completion. The planned tour was scheduled to be beginning in late fall of 2008, continuing into mid spring of 2009, where the second of the albums by the band was to have been released. A third and final album was scheduled for release shortly after this. Long-time friend of Mr. Rose, Mr. Sebastian Bach has been given permission of the use of this information by Mr. Rose. Mr. Bach also has collaborated on many tracks on the albums as well as many other artists and musicians, and as such, problems have arisen with other artist labels to use these musicians on the material, along with issues of pay and content rights.
The current problems that have arisen with the album are also that of visual proportion. The album does not as of yet have cover art and a theme to the cover, as, much to our dismay, Mr. Rose did not like the original concept cover from the album, as seen in a meeting with the band in late 2007. However with plans for the album to be released digitally at first, there are plans for us to come to compromise with Mr. Rose over this situation. With the proposed tour in question, and off the back of that said tour would come the release of the album, these plans, as stated before, are not set in stone, but we are nearing closer, as was said, the album is done, however the legalities and financial issues are the problems for this album at this time, as sale and printing of the albums, as well as copyright control and digital rights management, does not even cover 1/10th of the assets we have paid to Mr. Rose.
Negotiations are ongoing with the band and Mr. Rose's manager, Ms "Beta" Lebeis and as progress is becoming more and more evident now than ever, we are hoping to make a major announcement through official sources of Mr. Rose as of summer 2008.
The record company thus far has paid Mr. Rose an estimated $10 million plus for this album and to keep the well known, established artist under our varied umbrella of artists that includes such established artists as "Mary J. Blige", "U2" and "Sonic Youth". However at this present time, with the album finished and the first of three set to drop in stores in 2008, Mr. Rose's tenure with our label has come under question, as he is one of the most, as well as his band being some of the most, profitable artists that we could utilize to bring up the markets of music in the financial year of 2008/2009.
Yours Sincerely
Ms.-----------------------
Interscope/Geffen Records.
___________________________________
CDsongs.nfo_1
Finalized tracks on hard rock band "Guns N' Roses" - "Chinese Democracy" as of January 2008.
• Chinese Democracy
• I.R.S
• Better
• Sorry
• Prostitute
• No Way Back
• Seven
• Madagascar
• The Blues
• Broken
• MotorMouth
• If The World
• Atlas Shrugged
• Friend or Foe?
• T.W.A.T (There Was A Time)
DVDchapters.nfo_2
Bonus DVD to contain performances from World Tour of 2006/2007
• Welcome To The Jungle (Live at Los Angeles, USA, Gibson Ampitheatre)
• The Blues (Live At Los Angeles, USA, Gibson Ampitheatre)
• My Michelle (Live At Donington, England , Download Festival)
• Better (Live At Manchester England, Evening News Arena)
• I.R.S (Live At Nürburgring, Germany, Rock Am Ring)
• Prostitute (Live At Rehearsals)
• Interview with the Band
• GuitarWorld feature on Robin Finck
• Exclusive - MTV Cribs - Richard Fortus
From ChineseDemocracy.com
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Wel weer een nieuwe tour tegen het einde van dit jaar en begin 2009! Ben benieuwd of het in dezelfde bezetting is als 2006/2007
Verder same old, same old dus...
Wel humor dat Axl Rose dus gewoon al $10 miljoen heeft gevangen zonder met iets tastbaars te komen, neem aan de die vergoeding los nog is van de tour van 2006/2007
maybe.
quote:vooral met de nadruk op de 'maybe'
Ik ben overigens wel een die-hard Guns N' roses fan hoor....
quote:wat ik ervan gehoord heb van de uitgelekte dingen is het idd weinig soeps, maar goed je weet niet in welk stadium die tracks zich bevonden en wellicht is het nog duizend keer opgenomen en worden die uitgelekte versies niet de definitieve versies...Op woensdag 27 februari 2008 22:01 schreef iuvenis het volgende:
Ben ik hier de enige die Chinese democracy barslecht vindt?
Ik ben overigens wel een die-hard Guns N' roses fan hoor....
we horen t snel genoeg als we t zo mogen lezen
quote:Tired of a world in which Americans idolize wannabe singers and musicals about high schoolers pass as rock 'n roll music, Dr Pepper is encouraging (OK, begging) Axl Rose to finally release his 17-year-in-the-making belabored masterpiece, "Chinese Democracy", in 2008.
In an unprecedented show of solidarity with Axl, everyone in America, except former GN'R guitarists Slash and Buckethead, will receive a free can of Dr Pepper if the album ships some time — anytime! — in 2008. Dr Pepper supports Axl, and fully understands that sometimes you have to make it through the jungle before you get it right.
"It took a little patience to perfect Dr Pepper's special mix of 23 ingredients, which our fans have come to know and love," said Jaxie Alt, director of marketing for Dr Pepper. "So we completely understand and empathize with Axl's quest for perfection — for something more than the average album. We know once it's released, people will refer to it as "Dr Pepper for the ears" because it will be such a refreshing blend of rich, bold sounds — an instant classic."
Show your support for Axl and get on the nightrain of encouragement at this location.
Commented Axl Rose in a statement: "We are surprised and very happy to have the support of Dr. Pepper with our album, 'Chinese Democracy', as for us this came totally out of the blue. If there is any involvement with this promotion by our record company or others, we are unaware of such at this time. And as some of Buckethead's performances are on our album, I'll share my Dr Pepper with him."
en leuk die cheesy GnR verwijzingen in de Dr Pepper tekst
jammer dat het smerig spul is.
Axl Rose
March 27, 2008
http://www.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080327&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp
Heeft dit enig invloed in de release van Chinese democracy?
http://media.putfile.com/Guns--Roses---paradise-citty
http://media.putfile.com/gunsroses---You-could-be-mine
PS: als het niet goed werkt probeer het dan in 2x, eerst deze link http://www.putfile.com/dtmaster/media en dan klik op een van die 2 nr en dan moet lukken.
quote:Tijd voor een kick dusHet langverwachte comebackalbum van Guns N' Roses verschijnt nog dit jaar. 'Chinese democracy' is in de Verenigde Staten vanaf 23 november te koop, zo meldden 'goed ingelichte bronnen' aan het Amerikaanse muziekblad Billboard.
De nieuwe studioplaat, de eerste sinds 'The spaghetti incident?' uit 1993, werd al tien jaar geleden aangekondigd. Ongeduldige fans kunnen de track 'Shackler's revenge' al horen in het computerspel 'Rock band 2'. Een gedeelte van het nummer 'If the world' is gebruikt voor de aftiteling van de politieke thriller 'Body of lies'.
Onlangs werd een blogger gearresteerd op verdenking van het lekken van liedjes van 'Chinese democracy'. De 27-jarige man zou in juni negen nummers van het album op zijn website hebben gezet.
Anno 2008 is van de oorspronkelijke bezetting van Guns N' Roses alleen frontman Axl Rose nog over. Gitarist Slash en basgitarist Duff McKagan, beiden bandleden van het eerste uur, stapten in de tweede helft van de jaren negentig uit de band, waarna Rose alleen overbleef.
Zo, hebben we die reactie vast gehad.
Ik ben zeer benieuwd. Al wordt het album ongetwijfeld door alle media keihard afgekraakt, ongeacht de kwaliteit ervan.
De media zal het idd totaal afkraken denk ik.
quote:zo niet grappigOp maandag 13 oktober 2008 13:51 schreef BroesWillems het volgende:
Ik heb uit betrouwbare bronnen vernomen dat hij gebundeld wordt met Duke Nukem Forever...
die eerste vier zijn alle vier erg goede albums waar AFD ver bovenuit steekt.
Maar is er al via G'n R zelf wat bekend over Chinese Democracy en een evt. release date
quote:Alleen nog de promo's die middels Azoff online zijn gezet. Hij is de manager van gnr. Middels deze promo's werd bekrachtigd dat de release date 23 november 2008 is.Op woensdag 22 oktober 2008 18:19 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
Klinkt niet slecht, maar Axl zingt raar laag vind ik.. En die intro en outro die bij elkaar 2 minuten duren hoeft voor mij ook niet.
Maar is er al via G'n R zelf wat bekend over Chinese Democracy en een evt. release date
In het nummer wordt overigens zowel laag als hoog gezongen, hoor.
Al die youtube links in dat vorige topic zijn dood, die bedoelde je denk ik
quote:Als je hoge uithalen wilt, luister dan eens naar ditOp woensdag 22 oktober 2008 19:08 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
ja maar niet echt de kenmerkende hoge uithalen van Axl
Al die youtube links in dat vorige topic zijn dood, die bedoelde je denk ik
http://web.gunsnroses.com/splash.jsp
quote:Wel cool gedaan met die countdown enzoOp woensdag 22 oktober 2008 21:36 schreef JosD. het volgende:
De officiële site van Guns N' Roses is geüpdatet:
http://web.gunsnroses.com/splash.jsp
Maar we zullen zien hoe het allemaal bij elkaar zal klinken
[ Bericht 33% gewijzigd door JosD. op 23-10-2008 14:25:37 ]
En cool van Dr. Pepper dat ze hun belofte nakomen!
quote:Op donderdag 23 oktober 2008 13:57 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
Vind de album cover maar lelijk
En cool van Dr. Pepper dat ze hun belofte nakomen!
Ben het album ff aan het beluisteren en het valt me vooral niet tegen. Axl zou zomaar eens een topper in handen kunnen hebben. De oude GnR hoor je bijna niet meer. Sporadisch nog. Wat industrial, beetje Ozzy, beetje Manson en af en toe nog een beetje GnR. Het is een moderne rockplaat geworden met hoorbaar prima muzikanten op de instrumenten, waaronder Buckethead.
quote:Kheb er eentje van ftd afgetrokken.Op donderdag 23 oktober 2008 14:50 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
Maar waar is het hele album dan al te beluisteren? Lijkt me dat als je wat download je never nooit weet of je de goeie hebt, aangezien er tig nummers in diverse versies zijn gelekt
quote:Dit is hetgene wat op internet circuleert:Op donderdag 23 oktober 2008 14:51 schreef PimD het volgende:
Het album is nog niet gelekt gok ik zo. Ik vermoed dat je een van de vele downloads hebt met demo's, onuitgebrachte tracks uit begin jaren '90 enzo.
1-better: geleaked
2-chinese democracy: geleaked
3-irs: geleaked
4-madagascar: geleaked
5-rhiad and the bedouin:geleaked
6-Prostitue:geleaked
7-if the world: geleaked
8-the blues: geleaked
9-there was i time: geleaked
10-catcher in the rye: geleaked
11-oh my god: officieel uitgebracht in 1999
12. Shackler's Revenge: uitgebracht in 2008 middels Rockband 2.
Let wel: dit betreffen allemaal demo's, op Shackler's Revenge en Oh My god na. Het is daarom níet het definitieve werk, wat je door allerlei mensen wijs wordt gemaakt die de downloads aanbieden. Mocht je deze leaks downloaden, dan zullen er 23 november 2008 nog maar 3 verrassingen zijn qua nieuwe nummers op het album:
Scraped;
This I Love;
Sorry.
Ik raad daarom aan gewoon te wachten tot 23 november 2008, gezien je dan de definitieve versies bezit en er anders bitter weinig nieuwe nummers overblijven...
quote:Het gros van de demo's is afkomstig tussen 1999 en 2002; jaren waarin de vocals van Axl matig waren.Op donderdag 23 oktober 2008 14:51 schreef PimD het volgende:
Het album is nog niet gelekt gok ik zo. Ik vermoed dat je een van de vele downloads hebt met demo's, onuitgebrachte tracks uit begin jaren '90 enzo.
quote:Oh My God komt ook niet op Chinese Democracy, ondanks de versie uit 1999 een remake heeft ondergaan.Op donderdag 23 oktober 2008 16:10 schreef PimD het volgende:
Het zou me eerlijk gezegd verbazen als Oh My God er op komt... Is al bijna 10 jaar oud dat nummer... Zou hetzelfde zijn als een oud nummer met Slash en Duff er op zetten zowat....
Moet wel zeggen dat ik de laatste versie van The Blues (benieuwd of dat ook de versie zal zijn die op de plaat staat) érg stoer vond.
quote:Trek er maar 2 dagen vanaf. In Nederland krijgen wij het album op 21 november 2008Op donderdag 23 oktober 2008 23:12 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
nog 30 dagen, 1 uur, en 47 minuten!
quote:Tja, zoals Axl al zei in 2006 in Rolling Stone:Op woensdag 22 oktober 2008 22:10 schreef PimD het volgende:
Shackler's Revenge, Madagascar, Better en IRS vond ik goed om aan te horen en behoorlijk pakkend. Catcher in the Rye en Chinese Democracy zelf vind ik na een paar keer luisteren nog niet zo ontzettend boeiend om eerlijk te zijn.
"Some people are going to say, 'It doesn't sound like Axl Rose, it doesn't sound like Guns n' Roses'". "But you'll like at least a few songs on there".
quote:Aangezien die nog niet uit is lijkt me dat erg lastigOp zondag 26 oktober 2008 12:31 schreef DTmaster het volgende:
Nou iemand al een mening over de nieuwe cd?
Free Record Shop
http://www.freerecordshop.nl/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/FreeRecordShop-FRS_B2C_NL-Site/nl_NL/-/EUR/ViewFas-Search;pgid=4Sp0ZIATv1dSR0M1kGr_Cc_X0000eaYk16_J?action=search&layout=sample1&fh_search=chinese+democracy&searchcategory=all&x=0&y=0
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. Ik ben benieuwd . Ik vind de hoes tof trouwens .
Benieuwd hoe de nieuwste versies klinken.
quote:Ja maar je moet ook rekening houden met de lengte vh nr hèOp dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 14:05 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
Vind 14 nummers ook gewoon een goed aantal voor een CD. Tegenwoordig heb je soms artiesten die de 10 nog niet halen, nou sorry maar dat is eerder een EP dan een CD
.quote:De titel van The Blues is veranderd: het nummer draagt nu de naam ''Street Of Dreams''. In 2007 is een demo van dit nummer geleaked. Vind ik niet de moeite om te posten, want over circa 3 weken hoor je de definitieve versie.Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 19:53 schreef Spaulding het volgende:
Staat The Blues er wel op? Paar jaar geleden vond ik dat al een prachtig nummer. Vooralsnog het beste nieuwe werk samen met Madagascar.
Benieuwd hoe de nieuwste versies klinken.
Als voorproef een versie uit 2006, waar de intro langer is dan de versie uit 2002 die jij postte:
http://www.myvideo.nl/watch/3183942
quote:ja maar er zijn er ook genoeg die overal een dikke intro en outro voor- en achterpleuren zodat de nummers 5 minuten duren maar het in weze nog maar 3 minuten echt muziek isOp dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 19:55 schreef Viking84 het volgende:
[..]
Ja maar je moet ook rekening houden met de lengte vh nr hè
Vind trouwens de gitaren in de single wel beetje tegen gaan staan, het ligt er zo dik bovenop met die minuten durende solo aan het einde, en het is het allemaal zo nét niet.
Mis de bluesy riffs van Slash
quote:Die kun je toch horen op de cd's van Velvet Revolver en zijn aanstaande solo album?
quote:Uiteraard, al is het met Velvet Revolver ook maar afwachten wat daarmee gaat gebeuren na het vertrek van Scott Weiland, maar vind Velvet Revolver ook zeker wel zeer goed, maar goed, het allermooiste is toch gewoon de originele bezetting van de G n' R, daar kan geen Slash solo, VR, of de huidige bezetting van G n' R aan tippenOp dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 20:32 schreef JosD. het volgende:
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Die kun je toch horen op de cd's van Velvet Revolver en zijn aanstaande solo album?
quote:Daar ben ik het niet mee eens. Ten tijde dat Slash en co nog in de band zaten, hebben zij zonder twijfel goede muziek uitgebracht hoor, maar vervolgens wordt het tijd om een nieuwe richting in te slaan. We kunnen niet continu blijven leven in de jaren '80 van Appetite For Destruction. Dat zie ik bands als Metallica en AC/DC al genoeg doen: veelal dezelfde tunes blijven herhalen. Mijns inziens behoorlijk saai.Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 20:34 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
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maar goed, het allermooiste is toch gewoon de originele bezetting van de G n' R, daar kan geen Slash solo, VR, of de huidige bezetting van G n' R aan tippen
Helaas dachten Slash en co hier anders over en wilden zij wéér een á la Appetite For Destruction gaan produceren. Axl weigerde het materiaal waar Slash mee aankwam en gaf hem de mededeling de ''industrial'' richting in te willen slaan. Slash ging hier niet mee akkoord en verliet vrijwillig de band.
Vervolgens doet Slash zijn ding in bands als Slash's Snakepitt en Velvet Revolver. Mensen met de voorkeur voor Slash zijn blues solo's zullen daarom hun lol op moeten, lijkt mij?!? Axl is aan het touren met Guns N' Roses en probeert jarenlang een album uit te brengen en zo nu en dan lekt er wat materiaal van het toekomstige album. Ondanks de gewaagde overstap naar een nieuwe richting, heeft deze stap goed uitgepakt naar mijn idee: de leaks en de bootlegs klinken goed. Vooral de frisse solo's van Buckethead spreken mij aan.
Je ziet dus dat er een splitsing naar twee kampen heeft plaatsgevonden: Axl's nieuwe ''industrial'' sound en Slash zijn oldschool ''blues'' sound. Beide personen geven de laatste jaren live concerten. Iedereen zou blij moeten zijn dat ze beide grootheden live kunnen aanschouwen en de keuze hebben tussen beide genres. Het tegendeel blijkt echter: mensen blijven maar zeuren over de huidige Guns N' Roses: ''Het klinkt niet als Slash, dit is geen Guns N' Roses, die idioot met een emmer op zijn kop kan niet spelen, het mag niet onder dezelfde naam verder gaan'' en nog meer van dit soort uitlatingen.
Mensen: als jullie per se de blues sound van Slash willen luisteren en een pesthekel hebben aan Axl's werk, ga dan vooral níet naar het nieuwe werk van Guns N' Roses luisteren, want Slash zal er niet op verschijnen. Bezoek lekker een live concertje van Slash, luister naar zijn uitgebrachte cd's en geniet van datgene wat vroeger is uitgebracht. En wat betreft de naam: deze heeft Axl middels rechtszaken afgedwongen: lijkt mij dan toch rechtmatig als hij verder gaat onder de naam. Slash maakte overigens niet eens deel van de originele line-up van Guns N' Roses. Het argument dat Slash dus ''een originele member was'' en ''Axl daarom de naam niet mag dragen'' gaat niet op.
We leven nu in 2008: een tijd waarin Slash al 12 jaar uit Guns N' Roses is. Leer eens te accepteren dat Axl Rose een andere richting in sloeg en Slash daarom de band verliet. Beide mannen hebben hier volwassen keuzes gemaakt. We hebben op het nieuwe album te maken met artiesten als Buckethead, Bumblefoot, Fortus, Finck, Stinson, Pitman en Ferrer en ja, dat klinkt gelukkig anders dan wat we vroeger al gehoord hebben. Anno 2008 zijn Slash en zijn band Velvet Revolver op zoek naar een nieuwe zanger; laten we hopen dat hun toekomstperspectief rooskleurig zal zijn.
Tot slot een wijze uitspraak van bassist Stinson: ''Either get on board or fuck off".
Ik vind zowel de muziek van Guns n' Roses als Velvet Revolver prima te pruimen, en heb de GNR dan ook live gezien in 2006, het is allemaal niet slecht enzo, maar het is toch gewoon beetje fake als je muziek die je met een hele groep heb geschreven en groot gemaakt in je eentje nog verder gaat uitdragen. En dan gaat het niet om Axl als persoon of om de bandnaam. Er zijn sowieso veel meer redenen voor het uiteenvallen dan alleen verschil in sound. En ik weet zeker dat dat ook deze bezetting op gaat breken, want bij Axl zit er bij zoals bij vele grote artiesten gewoon een steekje los, die man is té perfectionistisch en hoe hij soms zijn fans en mede bandleden laat wachten is niet normaal (getuige de vele rellen die soms plaats hebben gevonden omdat Axl gewoonweg niet het podium op wilde/durfde).
Maar ik ben er zeker bij als GnR in de huidige bezetting gaat optreden, maar voor mij zijn de ECHTE GNR toch nog steeds mensen die groot zijn geworden.
quote:Ook al is z'n stem veel en veel beter geweest, dit blijft een prachtig nummer.Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 20:12 schreef JosD. het volgende:
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De titel van The Blues is veranderd: het nummer draagt nu de naam ''Street Of Dreams''. In 2007 is een demo van dit nummer geleaked. Vind ik niet de moeite om te posten, want over circa 3 weken hoor je de definitieve versie.
Als voorproef een versie uit 2006, waar de intro langer is dan de versie uit 2002 die jij postte:
http://www.myvideo.nl/watch/3183942
quote:Er is een groot verschil tussen rechtmatig en gevoelsmatig. Het zal de meeste luisteraars een zorg zijn wat een rechter ooit eens heeft besloten.Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 21:24 schreef JosD. het volgende:
En wat betreft de naam: deze heeft Axl middels rechtszaken afgedwongen: lijkt mij dan toch rechtmatig als hij verder gaat onder de naam.
quote:Ja, voor de eerste 3 maanden na de oprichtingSlash maakte overigens niet eens deel van de originele line-up van Guns N' Roses. Het argument dat Slash dus ''een originele member was'' en ''Axl daarom de naam niet mag dragen'' gaat niet op.
Lul toch niet man; Slash was een essentieel onderdeel van wat voor veel mensen GNR tot GNR maakte.Ik heb zelf geen problemen met bands die de naam blijven gebruiken. Zo vind ik Led Zeppelin met Bonham jr. op de drums toch echt Led Zeppelin, Queen+Paul Rodgers een waardig vervolg op Queen, ga ik echt niet lopen miepen over The Division Bell dat het geen Pink Floyd is omdat Waters en Barrett niet meespeelden en kan ik het huidige Deep Purple ook best waarderen. Maar je hele verhaal gaat af en toe gewoon nergens over. Veel mensen willen Axl en Slash gewoon samen op 1 podium zien. De band is uit elkaar gevallen door ruzies, terwijl alle oerleden nog wel actieve muzikanten zijn. Ze kunnen wel bij elkaar komen maar willen het niet. Dit i.t.t. bijv. LZ en Queen. Dan vind ik zelf dat het gebruiken van de naam GNR door maar 1 van de oud-leden gewoon nergens meer over gaat. Axl heeft dat helemaal niet nodig.
Nogmaals; ik heb er weinig problemen mee wanneer bands een naam hergebruiken. Maar bij GNR anno 2008 is het te lachwekkend voor woorden. Hoewel het aan mijn mening over het album weinig zal veranderen hoor
quote:De kwaliteit van de leaks zijn verre van goed: je hoort het nummer continu skippen. Ik raad aan te wachten tot 21 november 2008.Op woensdag 29 oktober 2008 16:05 schreef Bassie1980 het volgende:
Er schijnt weer wat nummers gelekt te zijn, weet iemand waar die te vinden zijn?
quote:De leaks die ik heb, zijn opnieuw gemastered door een fan. Ze klinken erg goed en alle ruis/skips etc. zijn er uit gehaald.Op woensdag 29 oktober 2008 16:15 schreef JosD. het volgende:
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De kwaliteit van de leaks zijn verre van goed: je hoort het nummer continu skippen. Ik raad aan te wachten tot 21 november 2008.
quote:Zitten daar ook Madagascar, Street of Dreams bij?De leaks die ik heb, zijn opnieuw gemastered door een fan. Ze klinken erg goed en alle ruis/skips etc. zijn er uit gehaald.
quote:Madagascar wel. Ik vond alles goed, maar Better is echt mijn favo. Ik heb Madagascar dus niet echt in mijn hoofd.Op donderdag 30 oktober 2008 14:45 schreef Bassie1980 het volgende:
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Zitten daar ook Madagascar, Street of Dreams bij?
quote:21e heb ik ergens gelezen. Vinyl komt in Amerika wel uit, de rest van de wereld weet ik niet.Op donderdag 30 oktober 2008 15:47 schreef Operc het volgende:
Verschijnt het album de 21e/23e ook op Vinyl of is daar niets over bekend?
quote:Amerika 23 november 2008. Nederland 21 november 2008.Op donderdag 6 november 2008 22:16 schreef Spaulding het volgende:
Zelfde datum als overal geloof ik.Of hier nog een dag eerder? Had zoiets gehoord geloof ik...
Let's get right to it: The first Guns n' Roses album of new, original songs since the first Bush administration is a great, audacious, unhinged and uncompromising hard-rock record. In other words, it sounds a lot like the Guns n' Roses you know. At times, it's the clenched-fist five that made 1987's perfect storm, Appetite for Destruction; more often, it's the one sprawled across the maxed-out CDs of 1991's Use Your Illusion I and II, but here compressed into a convulsive single disc of supershred guitars, orchestral fanfares, hip-hop electronics, metallic tabernacle choirs and Axl Rose's still-virile, rusted-siren singing.
If Rose ever had a moment's doubt or repentance over what Chinese Democracy has cost him in time (13 years), money (14 studios are listed in the credits) and body count — including the exit of every other founding member of the band — he left no room for it in these 14 songs. "I bet you think I'm doin' this all for my health," Rose cracks through the saturation-bombing guitars in "I.R.S.," one of several glancing references on the album to what he knows a lot of people think of him: that Rose, now 46, has spent the last third of his life running off the rails, in half-light. But when he snaps, "All things are possible/I am unstoppable," in the thumper "Scraped," that's not loony hubris — just a good old rock & roll "fuck you," the kind that made him and the old band hot and famous in the first place.
Something else Rose broadcasts over and over on Chinese Democracy: Restraint is for suckers. There is plenty of familiar guitar firepower — the stabbing-dagger lick that opens the first track, "Chinese Democracy," the sand-devil fuzz in "Riad N' the Bedouins" and the looping squeals over the grand anguish of "Street of Dreams." But what Slash and Izzy Stradlin used to do with two guitars now takes a wall of 'em. On some tracks, Rose has up to five guys — Robin Finck, Buckethead, Paul Tobias, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and Richard Fortus — riffing and soloing in broad, saw-toothed blurs. And that's no drag. I still think the wild, superstuffed "Oh My God" — the early Chinese Democracy track wasted on the 1999 End of Days soundtrack — beats everything on Guns n' Roses' 1993 covers album, The Spaghetti Incident?
Most of these songs also go through multiple U-turns in personality, as if Rose kept trying new approaches to a hook or a bridge and then decided, "What the hell, they're all cool." "Better" starts with what sounds like hip-hop voicemail — severely pinched guitar, drum machine and a near-falsetto Rose ("No one ever told me when/I was alone/They just thought I'd know better") — before blowing up into vintage Sunset Strip wallop. "If the World" has Buckethead plucking acoustic Spanish guitar over a blaxploitation-film groove, while Rose shows that he still holds a long-breath vowel — part torture victim, part screaming jet — like no other rock singer.
And there is so much going on in "There Was a Time" — strings and Mellotron, a full-strength choir and Rose's overdubbed sour-growl harmonies, wah-wah guitar and a false ending (more choir) — that it's easy to believe Rose spent most of the past decade on that arrangement alone. But it is never a mess, more like a loud mass of bad memories and hard lessons. In the first lines, Rose goes back to a beginning much like his own — "Broken glass and cigarettes/ Writin' on the wall/It was a bargain for the summer/An' I thought I had it all" — then piles on the wreckage along with the orchestra and guitars. By the end, it's one big melt of missing and kiss-off ("If I could go back in time . . . But I don't want to know it now"). If this is the Guns n' Roses that Rose kept hearing in his head all this time, it is obvious why two guitars, bass and drums were never going to be enough.
It is plain, too, that he thinks this Guns n' Roses is a band, as much as the one that recorded "Welcome to the Jungle," "Sweet Child O' Mine," "Used to Love Her" and "Civil War." The voluminous credits that come with Chinese Democracy certainly give detailed credit where it is due. My favorite: "Initial arrangement suggestions: Youth on 'Madagascar." Rose takes the big one — "Lyrics N' Melodies by Axl Rose" — but shares full-song bylines with other players on all but one track. Bassist Tommy Stinson plays on nearly every song, and keyboardist Dizzy Reed, the only survivor from the Illusion lineup, does the Elton John-style piano honors on "Street of Dreams."
But Rose still sings a lot about the power of sheer, solitary will even when he throws himself into a bigger fight, like "Chinese Democracy." In "Madagascar," which Rose has played live for several years now, he samples both Dr. Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech and dialogue from Cool Hand Luke. And at the end of the album, on the bluntly titled "Prostitute," Rose veers from an almost conversational tenor, over a ticking-bomb shuffle, to five-guitar barrage, orchestral lightning and righteous howl: "Ask yourself/Why I would choose/To prostitute myself/To live with fortune and shame." To him, the long march to Chinese Democracy was not about paranoia and control. It was about saying "I won't" when everyone else insisted, "You must." You may debate whether any rock record is worth that extreme self-indulgence. Actually, the most rock & roll thing about Chinese Democracy is he doesn't care if you do.
http://www.rollingstone.c(...)81/chinese_democracy
Guns N' Roses behoort dus echt tot mijn favouriet als het aankomt op muziek. Ook die oude albums kan ik niet genoeg van krijgen, die heb ik ondertussen zo vaak afgespeeld dat het grijs zou moeten zijn gedraaid maar het valt niet grijs te draaien
. Metallica een goede tweede hier maar Guns valt voor mij niet te overtreffen.quote:Het is alleen jammer dat MetallicA al jaren geen fatsoenlijk album heeft afgeleverd. Het laatste album is volledig verneukt door Rick Rubin. Verder klinkt het wel goedOp maandag 10 november 2008 20:03 schreef Topspin het volgende:
Ben benieuwd
Guns N' Roses behoort dus echt tot mijn favouriet als het aankomt op muziek. Ook die oude albums kan ik niet genoeg van krijgen, die heb ik ondertussen zo vaak afgespeeld dat het grijs zou moeten zijn gedraaid maar het valt niet grijs te draaien
Nu alleen maar hopen dat CD beter klinkt dan de leaks die ik al gehoord heb. En deze klinken erg goed
http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10rocksongs.html
quote:Alleen een LP.Op donderdag 13 november 2008 14:34 schreef matjuhhh007 het volgende:
Komt er alleen een CD uit in normale editie of nog een extratje die duurder is? Of een heel pakket ofzo..?
quote:Er komt een CD en een LP.Op donderdag 13 november 2008 16:27 schreef matjuhhh007 het volgende:
WTF hoezo alleen een LP?
quote:Wat had je dan gewild. CD met een DVD erbij of zo?
Ik vind het al cool genoeg dat ze hem ook op LP uitbrengen.
quote:Alleen een CD is voor mij al genoeg, maar hij zei het op de manier alsof er alleen een LP uitkomt.Op donderdag 13 november 2008 17:51 schreef Hankster het volgende:
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Wat had je dan gewild. CD met een DVD erbij of zo?
Ik vind het al cool genoeg dat ze hem ook op LP uitbrengen.
http://www.vanleest.nl/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/FreeRecordShop-VL_B2C_NL-Site/nl_NL/-/EUR/ViewFas-Detail;pgid=_7eU_I2hMyRSR0IFdajTqbSh0000NpXEsx8f?fh_Params=fh_sort_by%3D-popularity_frs_vl%252c-popularity%252c-releasedate%26method%3DgetAll%26fh_search%3Dchinese%2Bdemocracy%26fh_secondid%3D9686785%26fh_lister_pos%3D0%26fh_location%3D%252f%252ffrs%252fnl_NL%252f_shop%253e%257bvanleest%257d%26fh_eds%3D%25c3%259f%26fh_refview%3Dsearch%26fh_reftheme%3D10&SubCat=01
[ Bericht 100% gewijzigd door JosD. op 15-11-2008 13:59:21 ]
quote:Pff, minder drinken.Op zaterdag 15 november 2008 13:36 schreef Hankster het volgende:
Die had je 5 dagen geleden ook al gepost
wacht geduldig op een torrentje
quote:FOEI!
quote:Het is uiteindelijk Riad geworden. Scherp opgemerkt, want voorheen was het Rhiad. Een voorbeeld van de setlist uit 2006, waarin het als Rhiad wordt bestempeld:Op zondag 16 november 2008 21:12 schreef Reddiablo het volgende:
RIAD 'n the Bedouins staat er op dat hoesje -- klopt dat wel, dat moet toch Rhiad zijn?
http://www.q1043.com/pages/news/gunsnroses/better.html
Gave plaat - ik heb wel hier en daar wat demo's/nummers gehoord (Madagascar, IRS, Better, Shackler etc) - maar nooit echt geluisterd naar andere dingen als Catcher, CD en TWAT. Ik ben sowieso altijd vooral liefhebbers geweest van het bombastische GNR-materiaal - dus dan zit je met deze plaat wel goed. Ik kan me voorstellen dat liefhebbers van de 'sleazy' rock nummers van de oude GNR het minder geslaagd vinden. Ik ga 'm iig wel kopen!
Gaaaaf
Kom maar op met deel twee van deze trilogie!
quote:Pff, je wilt niet weten wat ik alleen al heb moeten doorstaan voor deel 1; laat staan voor meerdere delenOp dinsdag 18 november 2008 22:42 schreef Hankster het volgende:
Kom maar op met deel twee van deze trilogie!
quote:Verklaar je nader.
quote:Sebastian Bach heeft gezegd dat deel drie al in 2012 in de winkel moet liggenOp dinsdag 18 november 2008 23:17 schreef JosD. het volgende:
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Pff, je wilt niet weten wat ik alleen al heb moeten doorstaan voor deel 1; laat staan voor meerdere delen
En Axl schijnt er zelf ook niet zo veel zin meer in te hebben om er zo lang aan te blijven prutsen. Sowieso heeft hij nu na al die jaren al meer dan genoeg (demo)materiaal liggen voor de andere twee, lijkt me [ Bericht 99% gewijzigd door Sack_Blabbath op 19-11-2008 11:32:47 ]
quote:Johan zelf?Op woensdag 19 november 2008 10:16 schreef Hankster het volgende:
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Sebastian Bach heeft gezegd dat deel drie al in 2012 in de winkel moet liggen
quote:Dit is niet allemaal letterlijk gezegd door Bach. Dat Axl er zelf niet zoveel zin meer heeft om er zo lang aan te prutsen is sowieso nooit door hem verklaard; ook niet door Bach. Maar er is ongetwijfeld al veel werk klaar ja. Axl vertelde 2 jaar geleden dat er sowieso al 28 nummers definitief klaar waren en ze tot de 32 sowieso klaar wilden hebben rond die tijd. Tevens heeft Chris Pitman in een recent interview aangegeven dat ze al aan circa 100 nummers hebben gewerkt.Op woensdag 19 november 2008 10:16 schreef Hankster het volgende:
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Sebastian Bach heeft gezegd dat deel drie al in 2012 in de winkel moet liggen
Och hoe dan ook, vermaak me de komende tijd sowieso wel even met C.R.
quote:Nee, niet zo erg als bij Chinese DemocracyOp woensdag 19 november 2008 12:24 schreef Hankster het volgende:
Maar jij bent dus bang dat het wéér jaren gaat duren voordat de volgende plaat uit zal komen?
. Ik ben er zeker van dat er al minimaal 1 nieuw album in zijn geheel klaar is. Wat ik vermoedde was een wereldtour van twee jaar en vervolgens een nieuw album in 2010. Maarrr, dat ''vermoedde'' was niet voor niks met twee d's, want ik vrees een nieuw probleem dankzij de man die de gitaristische stukken van ''Better'' schreef.
quote:vertelOp woensdag 19 november 2008 12:37 schreef JosD. het volgende:
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Nee, niet zo erg als bij Chinese Democracy
Wat ik vermoedde was een wereldtour van twee jaar en vervolgens een nieuw album in 2010. Maarrr, dat ''vermoedde'' was niet voor niks met twee d's, want ik vrees een nieuw probleem dankzij de man die de gitaristische stukken van ''Better'' schreef.
En we hebben meerdere malen kunnen zien, dat de band changes in gnr voor zéér veel uitstel kan zorgen. Dit geldt voor zowel een tour, als voor het uitbrengen van een cd.
Lichtpuntje voor mij is de mogelijkheid van een terugkeer van Buckethead. Dan zal Bumblefoot een stap terug moeten doen (kans lijkt me klein), want twee shredders in een band wordt te veel van het goede, naar mijn idee. Pluspunt is dat Buckethead ooit aan heeft gegeven open te staan voor een terugkeer, als het album uitgebracht zou worden. Minpunt is dat hij aangaf de enige leadgitarist te willen zijn, ten tijde dat Finck in de band zat en Finck min of meer óók de leadgitarist was. Nu Finck weg is is dat probleem opzich wel opgelost, maar zit je nog wel met Bumblefoot. Alle respect voor de geweldige kwaliteiten van Bumblefoot, maar Buckethead acht ik toch nét ff wat beter.
Overigens heeft de beheerder van een forum van Buckethead vermeld, dat we na het uitbrengen van Chinese Democracy voor een grote verrassing staan. Ben benieuwd
Vond Finck wel erg goed op Graspop paar jaar terug
http://www.myspace.com/gunsnroses
.Er zitten wel zeker wat mindere nummers tussen, maar daardoor vallen vooral op het album de beter nummers weer meer op
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quote:Tja, na zo'n k*ttijd te hebben gewacht, morgen dan eindelijk Chinese Democracy in mijn handen. Een momentje om een biertje op te drinkenOp donderdag 20 november 2008 18:56 schreef matjuhhh007 het volgende:
Morgen is het zover
Er zitten wel zeker wat mindere nummers tussen, maar daardoor vallen vooral op het album de beter nummers weer meer op
Meesterlijk: Chinese Democracy, Better, Shacklers Revenge, Street of Dreams, Scraped
Goed: If The world, There was a Time, Catcher in the Rye, Riad 'n the Bedouins, I.R.S., Prostitute
Poep: Sorry, Madagascar, This I Love (die laatste is echt vreselijk...)
Viel me heel erg op dus dat de CD echt knalgoed begint, en dan eigenlijk steeds 'slechter' word, maar al met al toch een heerlijk album
Met daarna This I Love en dan Prostitute is het juist een heel sterk einde van de plaat, imo.En Street of Dreams vind ik juist wel onwijs catchy. Wat mij betreft veruit het beste nummer van de plaat
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quote:Madagascar is ook gaaf ja - hoewel ik die samples wel heel erg cliché vind.Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 12:01 schreef Hankster het volgende:
En zeker ook Madagascar blijft gaaf gedaan
quote:Dat vind ik dus bij al die rustigere nummers, tis daardoor van die overgeproduceerde mierzoete shit gewordenOp vrijdag 21 november 2008 12:12 schreef PimD het volgende:
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Madagascar is ook gaaf ja - hoewel ik die samples wel heel erg cliché vind.
Hij Zondag toch pas uit?
Ik ben zeer benieuwd!
quote:vandaag.Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 12:23 schreef Wunny het volgende:
What the fack?
Hij Zondag toch pas uit?
Ik ben zeer benieuwd!
quote:Voor de Amerikaanse release ja...Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 14:49 schreef Wunny het volgende:
Op de website van Guns N' Roses tellen ze nog steeds af...
legaal gehaald bij de muziekspeciaalzaak
) . Alsnog hoor ik liever de oude nummers maar dit is alsnog een leuke aanvulling op mijn muziek collectie. Is me ook 100 procent meegevallen dus, dat missen van de minder afgewerkte oudere nummers kan komen doordat ik die oude nummers 1000 keer geluisterd heb of nog meer. Dit album komt over alsof het iets te erg in details is uitgewerkt maar nogmaals, het is een nieuwe Guns N' Roses zoals al beweerd werd hier.[ Bericht 15% gewijzigd door Topspin op 21-11-2008 15:47:38 ]
quote:BeideOp vrijdag 21 november 2008 15:57 schreef matjuhhh007 het volgende:
Ik ben nu bezig met beluisteren, maar in het boekje zie ik nergens Slash of Saul Hudson staan!!!?? ben ik nou gek of speelt hij niet mee...? *Schaam,schaam*
quote:Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 15:57 schreef matjuhhh007 het volgende:
Ik ben nu bezig met beluisteren, maar in het boekje zie ik nergens Slash of Saul Hudson staan!!!?? ben ik nou gek of speelt hij niet mee...? *Schaam,schaam*
quote:Ach is pas een jaar of 15 ofzo hoor
Wat een super CD!
Volgens mij hakt een oud nummer er veel harder in ( heb het dan niet over Don't cry maar een nummer als pretty tied up)BAARN - Het nieuwe Guns N' Roses album Chinese Democracy heeft vrijdag op de eerste verkoopdag al de gouden status bereikt.
Dat betekent dat in Nederland al 30.000 exemplaren zijn verkocht, zei een woordvoerster van Universal Music vrijdag. Het langverwachte album kwam vrijdag uit als cd en elpee. Chinese Democracy is het zesde studio-album en het eerste nieuwe studio-album met eigen nummers sinds Use Your Illusion I en II uit september 1991.
(ANP)
quote:Amerikaanse release.Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 14:49 schreef Wunny het volgende:
Op de website van Guns N' Roses tellen ze nog steeds af...
quote:De media markt is tot 21:00 open, veel mensen moeten nog thuis komen van het werk dus wie weet 2 keer goud op de eerste verkoopdagOp vrijdag 21 november 2008 16:25 schreef Zon het volgende:
Album Guns N'Roses binnen een dag goud
(ANP)
Denk niet dat het gaat lukken, maar goed, meteen goud op de eerste verkoopdag lijkt me ook niet vaak voorkomen. Maar wss zit hier ook alle pre-order troep al bij? Dus tis misschien licht vertekend omdat mensen gewoon al hadden gepre-orderd en die vandaag bezorgd zijn ofzo?
.quote:ik had al een pre-order staan sinds 1991Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 16:32 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
Ach t zal wel hard gaan dan dit weekend
Maar wss zit hier ook alle pre-order troep al bij? Dus tis misschien licht vertekend omdat mensen gewoon al hadden gepre-orderd en die vandaag bezorgd zijn ofzo?
quote:Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 16:58 schreef postmortum het volgende:
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ik had al een pre-order staan sinds 1991
Eerste indruk van het album van mij was slecht, maar als je hem eenmaal wat beter hebt beluistert! quote:13Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 17:04 schreef Wunny het volgende:
Mocht ook wel goud halen ja, de productie kosten waren totaal 17 miljoen ofzo?
.This I Love vind ik ook prachtig, ook al is de tekst wat zeurderig.
De cd vind ik erg goed beginnen met de nummers 1 t/m 4.
Dat vond ik juist zo'n goed nummer.
quote:Doe es goed luisteren, staat er wel op, maar onder de titel Street of DreamsOp vrijdag 21 november 2008 22:53 schreef laforest het volgende:
The Blues staat er niet op
Dat vond ik juist zo'n goed nummer.
quote:Zo ver ben ik nog niet, ben bij het eerste nummerOp vrijdag 21 november 2008 23:05 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
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Doe es goed luisteren, staat er wel op, maar onder de titel Street of Dreams
Ligt het aan mij of is het niet echt meer een rock zoals vroeger, klinkt erg techno
quote:Ach zo noem ik het even voor het gemak, het klinkt computerig, niet zoals guns n rosesOp vrijdag 21 november 2008 23:10 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
Niet echt techno, maar meer industrial, zeker de eerste nummers ja, na nummer 2 á 3 word het wat meer oldschool naar mijn mening
quote:Dat is ook de reden waarom Slash er uit is gestapt. Slash wilde niet met Axl mee in die stijl.Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 23:15 schreef laforest het volgende:
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Ach zo noem ik het even voor het gemak, het klinkt computerig, niet zoals guns n roses
quote:Dan was dat domme MyWorld afsluitertje op UYI 2, dat buitenbeentje op de cd's, wat nu GNR isOp vrijdag 21 november 2008 23:27 schreef Zon het volgende:
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Dat is ook de reden waarom Slash er uit is gestapt. Slash wilde niet met Axl mee in die stijl.
Maar ik heb wel een weddenschap gewonnen! Had gewed met een vriend dat Chinese Democracy eerder zou uitkomen dan Duke Nukem Forever! Toch weer 50 euri en een krat bier verdiend!
quote:"Industrial" schijnt dat te heten ja. Beetje ala limp bizkit en consorten. Ik mis de "bluesy" gitaarpartijen van Slash teveel om het echt een "Guns 'n Roses" album te noemen vrees ik.Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 23:15 schreef laforest het volgende:
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Ach zo noem ik het even voor het gemak, het klinkt computerig, niet zoals guns n roses
quote:Ik kan Slash missen als kiespijn. Buckethead en Bumblefoot ownen hem keihard qua skills.
quote:Dat zelfde gevoel kreeg ik maar daar heb je veel Buckethead spel in volgens mij. De laatste 7 a 8 nummers zijn mooier imo.Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 23:15 schreef laforest het volgende:
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Ach zo noem ik het even voor het gemak, het klinkt computerig, niet zoals guns n roses
quote:Echt niet manOp zaterdag 22 november 2008 03:03 schreef JosD. het volgende:
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Ik kan Slash missen als kiespijn. Buckethead en Bumblefoot ownen hem keihard qua skills.
Die hebben geen enkele feeling voor muziek en de stijl van GNR. Als je Buckethead Sweet Child hoort spelen, nou dat is om te janken zo slecht..
. Erg jammer. Wel gaaf dat ze een nummer hebben die Catcher in the Rye heeft
quote:Gast, dat werd door Robin Finck gespeeldOp zaterdag 22 november 2008 10:15 schreef laforest het volgende:
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Echt niet man
Die hebben geen enkele feeling voor muziek en de stijl van GNR. Als je Buckethead Sweet Child hoort spelen, nou dat is om te janken zo slecht..
quote:Ja de opening ja.Op zaterdag 22 november 2008 10:21 schreef JosD. het volgende:
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Gast, dat werd door Robin Finck gespeeld
Nou gaan we even lachen om buckethead
begin bij ongeveer 30 seconden
Hij kan zeker wel technisch spelen, maar er zit geen feeling in, gewoon je rifjes en toonladders afgaan maakt je geen geweldig gitarist.
quote:Ehm, heb je zijn akoestische cd's? Onder andere daarin zit genoeg feeling.Op zaterdag 22 november 2008 10:24 schreef laforest het volgende:
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Ja de opening ja.
Nou gaan we even lachen om buckethead
begin bij ongeveer 30 seconden
Hij kan zeker wel technisch spelen, maar er zit geen feeling in, gewoon je rifjes en toonladders afgaan maakt je geen geweldig gitarist.
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Zou je misschien een solo willen posten van Slash die hier tegen op kan? Graag wel een nieuwe solo die dateert van zijn laatste 5 jaar.
Succes.
quote:Daar zeg je precies waar het om draait. De gedachte bij alle Slash-fanaten is: iedere member van de huidige gnr is slecht (ongeacht zijn skills), indien het geen Slash betreft.Op zaterdag 22 november 2008 10:59 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
maar merendeel van de Gn'R fans zal nou eenmaal Buckethead of welke andere gitarist dan ook nooit voor vol aanzien om dat het Slash niet is.
Jammer dat mensen deze gedachte niet los kunnen laten.
quote:Ik vindt de slash solo's gewoon natuurlijker. En dan praten we alleen over de Guns 'N Roses nummers, en niet over de akkoestische albums van Buckethead.Op zaterdag 22 november 2008 11:07 schreef JosD. het volgende:
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Daar zeg je precies waar het om draait. De gedachte bij alle Slash-fanaten is: iedere member van de huidige gnr is slecht (ongeacht zijn skills), indien het geen Slash betreft.
Jammer dat mensen deze gedachte niet los kunnen laten.
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Dit bijvoorbeeld vindt ik zwaar kut horen...
Dat is hem.
quote:Sorry ik vind dit niet echt heel goed of technisch, sorry.Op zaterdag 22 november 2008 10:37 schreef JosD. het volgende:
En check dit maar eens:
Zou je misschien een solo willen posten van Slash die hier tegen op kan? Graag wel een nieuwe solo die dateert van zijn laatste 5 jaar.
Succes.
Dit is een solo.
En Slash, die hoeft zich niet meer te bewijzen, hij is zeker niet de meest technische speler, maar wel een speler met feeling.
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stond 2 pagina's terug ook al geloof ik.quote:Klopt! Mijn fout.Op zaterdag 22 november 2008 15:57 schreef matjuhhh007 het volgende:
Oud nieuws
En waarom heeft hij in zoveel bands gespeeld? Het lijkt wel een huurgitarist...
quote:Dit wordt als reden genoemd:Op zaterdag 22 november 2008 17:24 schreef Spaulding het volgende:
Waarom is Buckethead eigenlijk weer uit GnR?
En waarom heeft hij in zoveel bands gespeeld? Het lijkt wel een huurgitarist...
When we did our first show in Vegas, Robin and Buckethead didn't know each other at all. You've got two lead guitar players trying to kill each other with their abilities. [...] I think they can be cordial to each other, that whole kind of thing, but when they're actually playing, it gets that kind of alpha male thing going, like 'Who's the real lead guitar player?"
Bucket was thought to be THE lead player and then days before they took the stage robin walks back into the fold like he never left. Guess who had guitar parts he worked hard on re-recorded by a FAR inferior player? That's right.
Dit was een statement van gnr:
During his tenure with the band, Buckethead has been inconsistent and erratic in both his behavior and his commitment, despite being under contract, creating uncertainty and confusion and making it virtually impossible to move forward with recording, rehearsals, and live plans with confidence. His transient lifestyle has made it near impossible for even his closest friends to have nearly any form of communications with him whatsoever.
Ron Thal en Buckethead zijn technisch veel beter dan slash.
Maar slash heeft meer emotie in zijn gitaar werk zitten.
Volgens mij zit Robin Finck ook niet meer in de band, zijn naam word niet meer vernoemd op de my space van Guns.
Ben benieuwd hoe ze dat gaan oplossen voor een komende tour.
Buckethead is een betere gitarist dan Slash, maar Slsah kan die heerlijke songs schrijven/spelen!
best een lekkere CD trouwens, toch maar even kopen
Kid Rock, Izzy Stradlin, Kimi Raikkonen, Mixmaster Mike, die bands die die noemt zoals Hoobastank :S , Bubbles and the Trailer Park Boys
, Mickey Rourke.Inspiratiebronnen en vrienden van hem ofzo?
quote:Op zaterdag 22 november 2008 20:06 schreef Spaulding het volgende:
Wat opvallende namen uit de Thank You van Axl Rose:
Kid Rock, Izzy Stradlin, Kimi Raikkonen, Mixmaster Mike, die bands die die noemt zoals Hoobastank :S , Bubbles and the Trailer Park Boys
Inspiratiebronnen en vrienden van hem ofzo?
De Trailer Park Boys zijn tijdens optredens in 2006 en 2007, zo nu en dan langs gekomen om gnr te vergezellen.
Geweldig
quote:Ik ben verheugdOp zaterdag 22 november 2008 23:17 schreef laforest het volgende:
Ik heb de cd gekocht, ben wel teleurgesteld
Eindelijk eens solo's als waar ik op geil (zoals There Was A Time: godlike van Buckethead).quote:Die cd mag de naam Guns N Roses van mij eigenlijk niet dragen, aanfluiting. Leuke cd, maar zeker geen Guns N Roses waardig album. De wereld kan weer op zoek naar andere kings of rock.Op zondag 23 november 2008 03:46 schreef JosD. het volgende:
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Ik ben verheugd
Mensen die de muziek als Industrial bestempelen vind ik ook niet helemaal niet terecht, ik ken genoeg goede industrial en deze cd valt daar niet onder.
Erg jammer. GNR zal een hoop cd's verkopen, maar de volgende album zal dat zeker niet omdat men weet wat men te wachten staat. Ze zullen wat nieuewe fans er bij krijgen, maar miljoenen oude fans zullen GNR laten vallen.
Ik vind op dit moment Shackler's Revenge het lekkerste nummer. Klinkt echt fantastisch.
quote:Ik denk sowieso dat er de afgelopen 10-15 jaar weinig écht tijdloze klassiekers zijn gemaakt waar we in 2020 nog naar luisteren. Daarvan staan er naar mijn idee ook geen op Chinese Democracy. Chinese Democracy is voor mij persoonlijk echter een stuk beter dan beiden Illusion-platen - daar stonden teveel niemendalletjes op, zoals wel vaker bij dubbelalbums het geval is (zie White Album van de Beatles, Lamb Lies Down On Broadway van Genesis etc.).Op zondag 23 november 2008 14:44 schreef matjuhhh007 het volgende:
Ik denk dat men een band als Guns 'n Roses niet gauw laat vallen, als je al jaren GnR-fan geweest bent, heb je het geld er toch wel voor over voor zo'n CD. En dat het een CD in de 'nieuwe stijl' zou worden wisten we van tevoren ook al, dat is ook met Metallica gebeurd een beetje met St. Anger, hun nieuwe album is weer goed, maar ik denk en hoop dat het voor GnR hierbij blijft, de oudere nummers hebben voor genoeg impact gezorgd, die luisteren we over 20 jaar nog.
Prostitute is in ieder geval het geld/wachten al waard geweest
Dit is natuurlijk gewoon de Axl rose band die je hoort en de sound heeft ook niets meer met GNR te maken, desalniettemin een geweldige plaat die m.i. vooral een groeier is.
quote:Met die nummers bedoel ik de nummers als: Sweet Child O' Mine, November Rain, Paradise City etc. Ik denk dat daar in 2020 nog wel naar geluisterd wordt.Op zondag 23 november 2008 16:41 schreef PimD het volgende:
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Ik denk sowieso dat er de afgelopen 10-15 jaar weinig écht tijdloze klassiekers zijn gemaakt waar we in 2020 nog naar luisteren. Daarvan staan er naar mijn idee ook geen op Chinese Democracy. Chinese Democracy is voor mij persoonlijk echter een stuk beter dan beiden Illusion-platen - daar stonden teveel niemendalletjes op, zoals wel vaker bij dubbelalbums het geval is (zie White Album van de Beatles, Lamb Lies Down On Broadway van Genesis etc.).
Prostitute is in ieder geval het geld/wachten al waard geweest
Sportieve reactie van Slash. Dit is overigens op basis van de leaks die hij heeft gehoord.
quote:Had ook eigenlijk niet anders verwacht, Slash is volgens mij echt niet het persoon om nu met modder te gaan lopen gooien en die plaat af te kraken ofzoOp zondag 23 november 2008 18:42 schreef JosD. het volgende:
"It's a really good record. It's very different from what the original Guns N' Roses sounded like, but it's a great statement by Axl. Now you understand where he was heading all this time. It's a record that the original Guns N' Roses could never possibly make. And at the same time it just shows you how brilliant Axl is."
Sportieve reactie van Slash. Dit is overigens op basis van de leaks die hij heeft gehoord.
quote:Ik ben fan van het oude werk, maar al het einde met Sympathy for the Devil and MyWorld zag je deze rommel al aankomen.Op zondag 23 november 2008 14:44 schreef matjuhhh007 het volgende:
Ik denk dat men een band als Guns 'n Roses niet gauw laat vallen, als je al jaren GnR-fan geweest bent, heb je het geld er toch wel voor over voor zo'n CD. En dat het een CD in de 'nieuwe stijl' zou worden wisten we van tevoren ook al, dat is ook met Metallica gebeurd een beetje met St. Anger, hun nieuwe album is weer goed, maar ik denk en hoop dat het voor GnR hierbij blijft, de oudere nummers hebben voor genoeg impact gezorgd, die luisteren we over 20 jaar nog.
Metallica is wel op die switch van sound teruggekomen en geprobeert de oudere sound weer op te pakken.
quote:Stoere en wat mij betreft meer dan terechte opmerking van Slash. Ze worden nog eens volwassen, johOp zondag 23 november 2008 18:42 schreef JosD. het volgende:
"It's a really good record. It's very different from what the original Guns N' Roses sounded like, but it's a great statement by Axl. Now you understand where he was heading all this time. It's a record that the original Guns N' Roses could never possibly make. And at the same time it just shows you how brilliant Axl is."
Sportieve reactie van Slash. Dit is overigens op basis van de leaks die hij heeft gehoord.
Hier staat-ie alweer op, trouwens
quote:Skill kan me geen worst schelen, het moet gewoon lekker klinken. Buckethead vind ik trouwens maar niks met z' n emmer op zijn hoofd, voor mij is het niks meer dan een zielloze robot.Op zaterdag 22 november 2008 03:03 schreef JosD. het volgende:
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Ik kan Slash missen als kiespijn. Buckethead en Bumblefoot ownen hem keihard qua skills.
quote:Tsss Loopt die gast er altijd zo bij??
Ik heb die nieuwe cd ook beluisterd... Maar ik vind het niks, ik ga 'm nog wel een paar keer luisteren misschien wordt het nog wat. Veel materiaal heb ik al een keer van de liveshows gehoord...
Om ff op Slash vs. Emmerhoofd door te gaan: Slash heeft de sound van GNR gezet en daar kan gewoon niemand aan tippen! Basta!
*Geeft toe een enorme Slash fan te zijn*
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quote:Sjeesus wat een debiel, waar is de tijd gebleven dat je als gitarist gewoon een mooi solo'tje aan t einde van een nummer deed.
Nee deze 'meneer' (ziet er sowieso al verwijfd uit met zn stijle haartjes) loopt eerst nog ff lekker te breakdancen en met zn chopsticks te stunten, en dan ff met KFC emmer op je hoofd een nummertje te spelen, wat een mongool. Ook echt uitdrukkingsloos gezicht erbij heel de tijd. Het mag misschien prima klinken, maar dan is Slash toch vele malen fijner om te zien, die heeft tenminste echt een 'hard-rock' look en speelt met gevoel aan zn gezichtsuitdrukking te zien
quote:Eeeeeh, dat is een masker!Op maandag 24 november 2008 07:34 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
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Ook echt uitdrukkingsloos gezicht erbij heel de tijd.
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Nog debielerquote:Echt jammer, ik vind helemaal niet veel van Robben Ford op YouTube etc.Op zondag 23 november 2008 22:57 schreef GoodGawd het volgende:
Robben Ford - Real man
Staat niet op youtube in verband met rechten enzo.
quote:Bedankt!Op maandag 24 november 2008 09:55 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
Stond vandaag stukje in de Spits over Axl en het album, en nog een klein 'inlegje' over mogelijke reunie en wat de laatste statements van de originele Gn'R leden daarover is, ik ben weer zo lief geweest t ff online te gooien
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quote:Hey het was nog vroeg
Ik kwam net uit mn bed
quote:Jammer dat hier zo kortzichtig wordt gedacht. Buckethead mag er dan als een freak bij lopen, maar dat wil niet zeggen dat hij per definitie slecht is. Hij heeft sinds 1992, 24 albums uitgebracht waar mijns inziens zeer veel goede muziek tussen zit. Ik denk dat er hier niet één persoon de moeite heeft genomen om ook maar naar 1 van deze albums te luisteren...Om dan meteen een standpunt te argumenteren met een youtube filmpje, waarin hij één van zijn vele stijlen ten gehore brengt (die kennelijk niet wordt gewaardeerd), vind ik wat te ver gaan.Op zondag 23 november 2008 22:25 schreef GoodGawd het volgende:
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Skill kan me geen worst schelen, het moet gewoon lekker klinken. Buckethead vind ik trouwens maar niks met z' n emmer op zijn hoofd, voor mij is het niks meer dan een zielloze robot.
Luister bijvoorbeeld eens naar dit nummer:
Dit is voor mij wel 1 van de nummers waar hij wel degelijk laat horen met gevoel te kunnen spelen en niet allemaal maar een ''shredder'' is, zoals in het andere youtube filmpje is te zien.
Guns n' Roses - Chinese Democracy
Hardrock
Daar is 'em, daar is 'em! Na vijftien jaar wachten op nieuw werk van Guns n' Roses is hij er eindelijk: 'Chinese Democracy'. En, hij is goed! De fans mogen stoppen met lezen en zich meteen naar de platenzaak reppen, de slechte karakters die hoopten op een flutplaat vol egotripperij moeten we teleurstellen: veertien songs, vierenzeventig minuten, échte G n' R.
We hadden nochtans onze scherpste pen bovengehaald en een nieuw vat pejoratieve adjectieven aangeslagen. Masochistisch als we zijn wachtten we grijnzend de eerste noten af. Maar na de eerste paar maten van het titelnummer sloegen wij al een mea culpa. De plaat opent met een klassieke maar tijdloze song, die net zo goed van Metallica had kunnen zijn. De riffmarathon op de discobeat die Shackler's Revenge heet, werd al eerder op de wereld losgelaten. Niet het sterkste nummer van de plaat, maar toch nog een ruime voldoende.
Is Better beter? Jawel! En in de beste klassieke metalstijl wordt de song erg knap opgebouwd. De shreddergitaarsolo's voeren ons terug in tijd en ruimte, naar de hoogdagen van de hairmetal. Street of Dreams valt dan weer onder de noemer "powerballad". Ronkende gitaren, melodische solo en mooie tekst, maar niet catchy genoeg om een hit te worden à la November Rain. Dan maar weer rocken. Het Spaanse gitaarriedeltje waarop If The World steunt, lijkt in eerste instantie misschien wat vergezocht, maar het levert toch weer een straffe song op.
In There Was A Time mogen de zweverigste keyboardregisters opengetrokken worden, maar niet voor lang. Ook daar moeten de gitaren immers weer ronken. Het harde werk dat men in de gitaarproductie stak, loont. De pompende en toch gearticuleerde klank doet tegelijk vintage en modern aan, herkenbaar en toch fris. Catcher in the Rye is très Guns n' Roses: meezingbaar en niet te hard. We mogen het niet te hard roepen, maar dit neigt eerder naar Aerosmith. Gelukkig is het daarna weer hard rocken en riffen geblazen op Scraped en - na een lange elektronica-intro - op Riad n' The Bedouins. Instant liveklassiekers om je het verschot op te headbangen, als we zo vrij mogen zijn.
Een song die Sorry heet, dat kan alleen maar een ballad zijn. Een mooie ballad zelfs, een regelrechte plakker voor de eerste helft en daarna voer voor luchtgitaristen. Dit vraagt om een spaghettifuif. Daarna is het weer doorjakkeren op I.R.S., waar Rose nog eens extra in de verf zet wat een dijk van een stem hij heeft. Madagascar doet het wat rustiger aan, met een mooie mix tussen een moderne beat en jankende rockgitaren. This I Love lijkt op iets héél erg goeds van Savatage, en eigenlijk had Prostitue daarna voor ons niet meer gemoeten. Maar we nemen het er graag bij; dit is een superplaat.
Nee, wij herhalen niet het hele verhaal van de steeds maar veranderende releasedatum, de lange lijst producers en medewerkers, de gelekte demo's en persoonlijke vetes. Ondanks de lange tijd tussen de verschillende opnames en mixages klinkt de plaat erg coherent, en ondanks de indrukwekkende lijst muzikanten klinkt de plaat toch als een groepsgebeuren en niet als "artiest plus studiomuzikanten". De liefhebbers zullen duimen en vingers aflikken. 'Chinese Democracy' was het wachten waard.
http://www.damusic.be/recensie/1759
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En dan nu Mick Wall, die we allemaal van ''Get In The Ring'' kennen:
23 November, 2008
Seeing as people keep asking: yeah, I think Chinese Democracy is not bad at all. It is what it is, you know, an over-reaching, self-pitying piece of inspired lunacy by someone who should really know better but is surrounded by weak-willied wankers too scared of and/or reliant on him for their paychecks to tell him the truth. 'Better' is good though. As is 'There Was A Time', 'IRS', 'Madagascar' and a couple of others. 'If The World' would have been a much better Bond movie theme than the awful shite Jack White and wassername came up with. 12 years and $13 million, though. Gimme a break. Sitting there listening to the 'finished' album in Universal last week the two things I kept thinking as it was playing were: a) Axl would shit if he knew his record company were actually playing me this, but then looking around at the kids working there most of them weren't born when Appetite For Destruction came out and probably think Slash is the singer. And b ) yaaawwwnnnn, is it finished yet?
Seriously, it was such an anti-climax. Partly because I already knew nine of the tracks well from the internet bootlegs that have been circulating for at least two years and which the 'finished' album sound exactly alike. Partly because, come on, 400 years and $50 trillion, I mean, who fucking cares anymore? And where's Slash when you need him? Ultimately, what I'd like to ask Axl Rose at this point is this: like, what's for dessert, dude?
http://mickwall.com/blog/blog.php
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Boston Herald "Chinese Democracy" succeeds because Slash is missing.
Sunday, 23 November 2008
"Slash fans need to face facts: the guitarist was never right for Rose..."
What are the dudes who said Guns N’ Roses doesn’t work without Slash going to do now?
First things first. “Chinese Democracy” is great - you can hear it right now as a free stream on MySpace [website] and buy it Sunday at BestBuy. It’s not “Appetite for Destruction,” but it’s way more consistent than the bloated “Use Your Illusions.”
Forget that we’ve chased the carrot of new G N’ R tunes Axl Rose has cruelly dangled before us for 17 years. Forget that this is likely the most expensive album ever made at a reported $13 million. Forget that the cast from “Appetite” is long gone. Just listen and you’ll hear the awesome opus Rose intended “Illusion” to be. Because Slash, Izzy Stradlin and the rest ruined Rose’s vision of “Illusion,” “Chinese Democracy” is defined by their absence.
“Chinese Democracy” succeeds because Slash is missing. Slash fans need to face facts: the guitarist was never right for Rose (too much Joe Perry, not enough Brian May); post-“Appetite,” he’s consistently failed to capture his early mad-hatter-run-amok fury.
The guitarists on “Chinese Democracy” - Buckethead, Bumblefoot, Richard Fortus, Robin Finck and Paul Tobias - use Slash’s dirty blues as a starting point but take it places G N’ R’s iconic axe-man could never, and would never, want to go. And the results are wicked cool.
“I.R.S.” tilts between a gentle lilt and a classic “Appetite” grind. Beneath the lilt are lyrical blues lines. Over the top of the grind are supernovas that reference Tom Morello, Yngwie Malmsteen, Vernon Reid and Slash, too. “Scraped,” “Better” and “If the World,” all vaguely electronic, use this same approach: bursts of straight, lyrical rock guitar, bursts of fast, twisted notes that sound like they’re coming from a malfunctioning cyborg.
The absence you notice most is Stradlin.. G N’ R’s second guitarist wrote the band’s straightest rock songs (“Patience,” “Mr. Brownstone,” “Think About You”). No Izzy means no good Stones’ cops. And because Rose doesn’t do simple well without Stradlin, the weakest tracks on “Chinese Democracy” are its most typical, specifically the title track and “Shackler’s Revenge.”
But no Izzy means Rose is free to write what he wants: sagas equal to his best “Illusion” experiments. Half of “Chinese Democracy” consists of big, bold, piano-driven operettas directed at his old band mates, himself and his haters.
“Sometimes I feel like the world is on top of me/breaking me down with an endless monotony,” Rose sings on “Scraped.” Then he adds, “like a daily affirmation, I am unconquerable.”
So what’s Rose retained from his past life? His Queen fascination is in full bloom. His wicked yowls, howls and growls remain intact, and his obsession with “Cool Hand Luke” has held - this time incongruously paired with Martin Luther King Jr’s “I Have a Dream” sound bites and Kashmir-like strings on “Madagascar.”
Oh, and there’s his ego. Now everybody knows Slash wasn’t the genius in the band.
Download the brooding, black, brilliantly un-“Appetite” tell-off, “Sorry.”
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zo erg dat ik mn zus er voor heb opgebeld en we dubbel lagen!
quote:Industrial en Limp Bizkit in 1 post, het is dat doodverwensingen verboden zijnOp zaterdag 22 november 2008 02:57 schreef Eg_Wel het volgende:
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"Industrial" schijnt dat te heten ja. Beetje ala limp bizkit en consorten. Ik mis de "bluesy" gitaarpartijen van Slash teveel om het echt een "Guns 'n Roses" album te noemen vrees ik.
quote:Zoiets?Op maandag 24 november 2008 18:12 schreef GoodGawd het volgende:
Iemand moet een keer in een goeie bui zijn publciteitsemmer van z'n kop trekken. Dan kan ie ook een keer een fatsoenlijke interview geven, in plaats van dat spastische gekreun.
quote:W00t! Dat laatste stukje (Reunie?) bewijst maar eens wat voor wanker Axl is...Op maandag 24 november 2008 09:55 schreef Loveless85 het volgende:
Stond vandaag stukje in de Spits over Axl en het album, en nog een klein 'inlegje' over mogelijke reunie en wat de laatste statements van de originele Gn'R leden daarover is, ik ben weer zo lief geweest t ff online te gooien
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Hij hoeft maar met z'n vingers te knippen en de beste rock band van de wereld is weer bij elkaar
quote:'t Spijt me hoor... Dan mag ie misschien (volgens vele) een goede gitarist zijn, maar ik zie gewoon 12 jarige autist
quote:Hmm,, om de nieuwe CD nou rommel te noemen enzeauOp zondag 23 november 2008 21:39 schreef laforest het volgende:
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Ik ben fan van het oude werk, maar al het einde met Sympathy for the Devil and MyWorld zag je deze rommel al aankomen.
Metallica is wel op die switch van sound teruggekomen en geprobeert de oudere sound weer op te pakken.
SPOILERIk ben uiteraard ook van van het oude werk! Gewoon voer het algemeen gezien natuurlijk ook!
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ill! kijk ik daar nou verkeerd tegen die pink aan? net een uitgerekte sperzieboon
In dat eerste plaatje dus, uit die krant.
quote:kutmuziek en Limp Bizkit in 1 post is dan wel weer terecht, wat mij betreft.Op maandag 24 november 2008 18:01 schreef Sack_Blabbath het volgende:
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Industrial en Limp Bizkit in 1 post, het is dat doodverwensingen verboden zijn
quote:Is een beetje dubbelop he?Op dinsdag 25 november 2008 10:00 schreef Hankster het volgende:
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kutmuziek en Limp Bizkit in 1 post is dan wel weer terecht, wat mij betreft.
quote:Toen ik in de brugklas zat, bestond Limp Bizkit niet.Op dinsdag 25 november 2008 15:46 schreef DrDentz het volgende:
hielden jullie niet van Break Stuff in de brugklas dan?
Ik vind het een erg goede plaat. Een natuurlijke evolutie voor Gn'R
quote:Buckethead heeft toch ook alle soorten muziek al zon beetje gemaakt. Bij mij heeft ie t al bewezen door Machine Gun op een goede manier te coveren.Op maandag 24 november 2008 10:35 schreef JosD. het volgende:
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Jammer dat hier zo kortzichtig wordt gedacht. Buckethead mag er dan als een freak bij lopen, maar dat wil niet zeggen dat hij per definitie slecht is. Hij heeft sinds 1992, 24 albums uitgebracht waar mijns inziens zeer veel goede muziek tussen zit. Ik denk dat er hier niet één persoon de moeite heeft genomen om ook maar naar 1 van deze albums te luisteren...Om dan meteen een standpunt te argumenteren met een youtube filmpje, waarin hij één van zijn vele stijlen ten gehore brengt (die kennelijk niet wordt gewaardeerd), vind ik wat te ver gaan.
Luister bijvoorbeeld eens naar dit nummer:
Dit is voor mij wel 1 van de nummers waar hij wel degelijk laat horen met gevoel te kunnen spelen en niet allemaal maar een ''shredder'' is, zoals in het andere youtube filmpje is te zien.
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Beter dan de 3fm "rock" of hoe je het wil noemen.
leuke plaat!
als ik bij de MM ben pik ik hm zeker mee voor dat tientje!
Wel vermakelijk om te lezen, al doet het ook wel pijn om een stukje jeugdsentiment te zien sterven.
had na een paar luistersessies toch zeker wel 3 verwacht, nummers moeten een beetje groeienquote:This is generally how the rockers go on Chinese Democracy, clocking in at anywhere from nearly five minutes to just over five minutes, using those minor-third/flatted-fifth riffs co-opted by far shittier bands in Gn'R's absence. You also get a couple of piano-led ballads aiming at radio stations that don't exist anymore, while songs like "Catcher in the Rye" and "This I Love" conjure Journey and REO Speedwagon, except you can't really sing along to them. There is, however, a level of craftsmanship that salvages Chinese Democracy as a listening experience-- Axl's voice sounds surprisingly great, and even "Shackler's Revenge" has an ultrasheen gloss that particularly benefits its chorus. The problem lies with Axl’s creative direction: That same song is derailed by a grinding arrangement that suggests he's still looking to Korn records for inspiration.
It's that flaw which ultimately delivers the fatal blow. Even if Chinese Democracy had dropped a decade previous, it would still sound dated. 1996 appears to be the cut-off point for sonic inspiration, a time when the height of electronic and rock synergy in pop music involved having an acoustic guitar and a drum machine on the same track. Fans deserve better than hearing Axl trying to fight with post-NIN nobodies like Stabbing Westward and Gravity Kills for ideas. "Better" and the closing "Prostitute" feature memorable, fluid melodies, but are tied to rudimentary Roland tracks that Steven Adler could've replicated in his sleep, and while "I.R.S." sports an Illusion-sized chorus, it's dampened by empty conspiracy theorizing.
quote:Chinese Democracy geen succes
'Chinese Democracy', het comeback-album van Guns 'n Roses, blijkt toch minder succesvol te zijn dan gehoopt.
In Amerika werden slechts 200.000 exemplaren van verkocht waardoor het album net niet in de hoogste regionen kwam van de hitlijsten.
Ze werden daar deze week verslagen door het nieuwe album van The Killers.
Toch mag Axl Rose niet klagen; het album staat in Engeland en Nieuw Zeeland op nummer 2, en op nummer 3 in Australië, Noorwegen en Japan.
quote:China boycot Guns N' Roses
Een artikel in Global Times omschrijft het nieuwe Guns N' Roses album 'Chinese Democracy' als een venijnige aanval op China.
De krant die uitgegeven wordt door een Chinese Communistische partij zegt dat het lang verwachtte album een negatief beeld geeft van het land.
De officiële website van Guns N' Roses is ondertussen al geblokkeerd in China.
Ultimate-guitar
Released: Nov 23, 2008
Genre: Geffen Records
Label: Rock
Number Of Tracks: 14
17 years after their last original album, Guns N’ Roses have finally released Chinese Democracy. Is there any way the album can live up to all of the lofty expectations?
Sound: Outside of the Beach Boys’ Smile, no other album in rock-n-roll history has inspired the kind of legend that Chinese Democracy has in the last decade or so. Soon after their atrocious covers album, The Spaghetti Incident hit stores, GNR mainman Axl Rose has been talking up Chinese Democracy. Little did anyone know but the album would take nearly 20 years to see the light of day. Much has been written about the making of the record so we’ll spare you all of the already well-documented details and instead will focus on highlighting the end results here. If you want to see the gigantic list of musical collaborators on the project, seek out the liner notes online. Below is a song by song breakdown of the album. // 7
Lyrics and Singing: GNR’s best work was always a sum of all of its parts. If Slash and Izzy (or Gilby for that matter) were volleying off each other and Duff and either Steven Adler or Matt Sorum were locked in to the groove chances are whatever song they were playing would be rivaling or even topping anyone else that came before them. But the extra kick in the ass was Axl Rose. When the gifted yet troubled singer was on his A game, the competition had no chance. On this comeback album, Rose is surrounded by a cast (and a long one at that) of musicians so a lot of the old GNR charm rests on his shoulders. While the guys backing him on the tracks do a formidable job, that specific magic of the old days is lost. Either way, the singer delivers one of his strongest performances. He utilizes every facet of his wide range throughout the 14 tracks. We get the high-pitched wailing of “Out Ta Get Me,” the softer tone of “Patience,” and the steamrolling mid-range found in classics like “You Could Be Mine” throughout this collection. Like an old-friend, Rose’s familiar voice is welcomed and even though the classic line-up isn’t around anymore, the songs have that extra spark only someone like this legend can lend them.
01.“Chinese Democracy”: after an unnecessary long intro, the album kicks off with an over-processed guitar sound that has more in common with the industrial informed sounds of Nine Inch Nails than it does with the blues based hard-rock of their early material. It’s not all that surprising since former NIN six-stringer Robin Finck plays on the track. Rose’s vocals are double-tracked on the verses so you get his low and high register at the same time lending the song a sinister vibe throughout. The middle section features some blistering guitar solo work supercharging the song right when it needed it. Choosing to start the album with this track was a wise move and our fears are somewhat relieved…for now at least. // 7
02.“Shackler’s Revenge”: the first riff in “Shackler’s Revenge” sounds like something Static-X would concoct and unfortunately for the listener, things don’t really veer away from that for the remainder of the song. The mechanical rhythm track only accentuates the song’s lifeless feel. The guitars and bass sound like they are coming out of walls of solid-state heads making you long for the warmer, analog sounds of their classic output. The only thing that could have saved this one from its own mediocrity would have been a gigantic chorus but that never came. This one isn’t even good enough for b-side status. // 4
03.“Better”: almost from the get-go, “Better” hooks you in with one memorable melody after the other. Rose’s tremendous mid-range is utilized for the majority of the song and the production pulls back leaving it to shine without the effects and processing found on “Shackler’s Revenge.” Throughout the remainder of the track, Finck and Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal take turns soloing showcasing their explosive yet tasteful styles. Some of their licks will even remind you off former GNR axe-slinger Slash in spots. After the colossal letdown of the previous song, “Better” is a beaming example of why the world was waiting for this album with baited-breadth. // 8
04.“Street of Dreams”: Elton John’s influence is all over “Street of Dreams.” From the gorgeous piano sections to the stadium-ready orchestration, this track sounds like the English singer’s early 70’s work like Goodbye Yellow Brick Road and Tumbleweed Connection. It’s not that “Street of Dreams” apes every move from those albums but it definitely has their sonic fingerprints all over it. The band even had John join them on a version of their song “November Rain” back in the early 90’s so their ties go back for years. Outside of the obvious textural influences, “Street of Dreams” contains Axl’s unmistakable vocal flourishes making it a GNR song in the end. The climactic guitar solos are a highpoint and the pretty piano melodies are abundant so this one will definitely find its way onto the band’s live sets for years to come. // 7
05.“If The World”: everything about this song misses the mark. From the light-jazz percussion to the go-nowhere vocal parts, “If The World” is an utter waste of studio time. How this disaster made it onto the album is a complete mystery. With the exception of a few interesting guitar parts, the song is devoid of anything worth further exploring. // 2
06.“There Was A Time”: here come those drum loops again. It seems like Axl is totally infatuated with the electronic side of music these past few years and certainly during the making of Chinese Democracy. It doesn’t serve the material well here as they seem like afterthoughts more than organic parts of the songs they’re found in. At the core of it, “There Was A Time” doesn’t have a compelling enough song to help propel it over its sonic weaknesses. // 4
07.“Catcher in the Rye”: this one gets off to a winning start with bluesy guitar licks and country-rock pianos. The verse melody is reminiscent of Use Your Illusion era GNR. The chorus explodes with huge guitars only to give way to a quieter interlude and then back into a classic-rock solo section. Some of Rose’s vocal cues have a Paul McCartney-esque charm about them etching themselves into your head after the first listen. Just when you started losing interest the record gets a jolt of energy. // 7
08.“Scraped”: a straight-ahead rocker in the mold of the title track, “Scraped” isn’t going to have you dying to reach for the rewind button. For another band this song would have made an OK album cut but for a band that had their fans waiting for so many years, it comes off as a big letdown. // 6
09.“Riad N’ The Bedouins": this one has a shuffling guitar main refrain that wouldn’t have sounded out of place on Appetite For Destruction but there are elements in the arrangement that hinder the track. For one, Axl’s high-pitched vocal delivery doesn’t mesh well with the rest of the instrumentation. After a while, his singing starts sounding like a wall of shrieking; shifting your focus away from the muscular guitars. How this mess got past the production team of Rose and Caram Costanzo really boggles the mind. // 5
10.“Sorry”: the song immediately starts with Rose’s singing echoing the bluesy overtones ringing in the rhythm section and guitars. Something in the reverb-drenched guitars reminds this writer of David Gilmour’s (Pink Floyd) mid-period work. The dramatic chorus seems tailor-made to bounce off arena walls. One of the band’s biggest strengths is their ability to pull of sweeping epics like this and this song is proof they should have explored that side of their arsenal more. // 7
11.“I.R.S.”: another track that doesn’t really warrant its inclusion here. The riffs and Axl’s melodies are sub-standard, the kind of stuff any bar-band would come up with. Is this the same songwriter who wrote “Rocket Queen?” // 5
12.“Madagascar”: this is one where Rose really aimed for the rafters. It’s the type of grandiose musical statement a younger band wouldn’t probably even try writing let alone record. There are majestic string orchestrations and dramatic guitar lead runs that echo the singer’s vocal lines at key points. A speech from Martin Luther King Jr. gets thrown into the song’s crescendo for added effect. This one is the vein of “Civil War” or “Estranged” but neither the lyrics nor the arrangement help get the song into that club. The nuances in this one might grow on you with time but at this point, we’re left a bit underwhelmed again. // 6
13.“This I Love” here’s Chinese Democracy’s most potent moment. Rose is accompanied by a piano, a string section, and a Robin Finck guitar solo that pushes and pulls into the of the album’s most impassioned performances. Some of the more interesting bends recall Michael Schenker’s most thrilling work with U.F.O. in the late 70s. Who would have guessed that a guy who made a name for himself in an industrial-rock band would have such classic-rock blessed chops in his pocket? Another great choice by Rose was to keep this one short and sweet insuring the extraordinary melodies and guitar solos don’t get suffocated by a busy arrangement. // 9
14.“Prostitute”: “Prostitute” goes from hushed verses to a towering chorus washed in guitars and theatrical orchestration making it a fitting closer. It’s not clear who Rose is directing the lyrics to when he sings, “Oh, I saw the damage in you, my fortunate one, the ending of you,” but the intent is there, seething right below the surface. There is some whammy-bar assisted bombast towards the final seconds that comes out of nowhere but somehow works in the scheme of the song. So just like that, Chinese Democracy comes to and end. // 7 // 8
Impression: Does the album live up to the lofty expectations the public has showered it with? No, but then again, how could it have anyway? If Chinese Democracy would have come out 2 or even 4 years after their last studio album, it would have been examined in a whole other manner. There is enough great material here to make the album a worthy fit into your music collection but is it essential as an entire piece, no. But then again, how many full-lengths released today are? There are 6-7 powerful tracks here and they prove Rose is still a vital songwriter and frontman. Hopefully he can get back into the studio and bang out another collection sooner than it took this time. // 7
- By Carlos Ramirez (c) 2008
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quote:Mwah ik vind m na flink wat luisterbeurten wel degelijk voorspelbaar worden, en het blijft zeker niet zo lang boeien als het oude werk
Daar waar de pers geen schijn van kans heeft gemaakt op een interview, hebben de fans het loyale voorrecht gekregen om vragen te stellen.
Fan: If this is true. I have one question for you Axl. What is stopping the fans from seeing you Slash, Duff, and Izzy back on stage together?
Axl: U've been lied to and misled for such a long time that sorting through all that here is virtually impossible. A lot will come out over time but the truth has been out there for a long time as well but that doesn't give you what you want so this dance just goes on and on.
Fan: thanks for playing Rocket Queen in Melbourne
The red bike was awesome
Axl: I think it's in the Better vid. Not sure if we cut it.
Fan: just a quick question
Axl, how come you always come on stage so late at gigs?
ps I LOVE YOU MAN !!!!!!!
Axl: I've been an after midnight type since I was sneakin' out of my house in Jr. High. With old Guns we preferred 12am or so. When we moved to theaters etc obviously that changes but it's never changed inside me. Doesn't matter what I do so generally that's when I'm more myself. This isn't to mess with anyone that has an early schedule to keep it's just personal preference.
And in regard to the size venues I'm on record as preferring what ever venues allow for our schedule but management and promoters can do a lot in their own interests behind the scenes that can rarely be avoided and their greed or whatever leads to a lot of double talk and ugly behind nonsense that generally eventually ruins things for everyone. Translated once a tour is scheduled however it's like parting the seas to change.
As far as being late, I've been that way my whole life. It drove Izzy crazy but he would check himself and freely admit I was generally actually doing something that had to get done rather than watching basketball etc.
Fan: Hey Dexter,
Just wanted to say I really appreciate the song ‘Scraped’…Awesome work….Also, while I was interning for President-Elect Obama, we all found ‘Madagascar’ to be very inspirational on certain days….Also, seen you in Iowa in ’06 and you certainly didn’t look tardy…and in Ill in 02…I think you and the guys gave top performances…
I can’t believe you entered this particular jungle tonight…haha
Axl: Obama! That's a big gig! I need some presidential press advisors and speech writers!!
I'd like to thank everyone for their positive comments. They're very appreciated.
Fan: Axl do you really have 2 or 3 other albums of material?
Axl: For now we'll concentrate and keep our focus on this album but I will say I've always thought of it as a double.
And no offence but no one's trying to talk in parables. The issues are a bit more complex than anyone would like.
Fan: Axl I would like to know why you avoid the press so much. I think it's definitely hurting album sales, I mean, you haven't even done one interview. I know for sure you'd be able to get a few magazine covers. So why don't you? Why be such a hermit/recluse?
Axl: That's ur opinion and it very well could be true.
What I have to say a lot of people have no desire to hear.
With our team we were able to negotiate thru a mountain of issues to be able to release the album. Within' those negotiations I believed I had secured agreements, commitments and assurances that would have allowed a promotional strategy to be implemented that obviously I've had a fair amount of time to consider. Unfortunately those things never happened and once the record was closer to release the biz went about things in their standard business as usual mode.
Fan: axl, why did you change "the bues" to "street of dreams"??
Axl: The Blues was my first working title and I was never comfortable with it in the sense that I felt that should be used with a bluesier based song. And here in Hollywood with the walk of fame etc I had always seen that imagery in my head when I think of it. I also like the idea of the song having in affect two titles.
Fan: Axl, have you been in contact with steven adler at all? Not as far as playing with him or anything, just to like lend him support?
Axl: do wish Steven the best and in my heart hope that he finds some peace and security. As far as direct contact no. It unfortunately gets too messy too quick. In Steven's mind I'm the one who holds the keys and power over his happiness so I'm the bad guy pretty quickly.
Fan: A video for "Better" was mentioned. Any ideas for a date of release, and/or in what capacities it will be released? What style of video is planned - live footage, some more dramatic theme? Great song. Can't wait to see what you guys have created for a visual.
Axl: Soon is the word as in a week or so.
Fan: Axl, cherry or original flavor Nyquil?
Axl: prefer cherry night time for breakfast around 11pm
Fan: Hey Axl, Is Mickey going to pay you back for letting them use SCOM in the Wrestler by starring in a new Guns video?
Axl: Actually Mickey agreed to play The Shackler if we were to make a vid for it.
Fan: I keep asking questions (like everybody else, I suppose) and feel stupid for asking so many, but I am also curious as to your relationship with Mickey Rourke. He's one of my favourite actors, and I saw an interview with him recently where he said you were kind enough to give him songs for The Wrestler. My question is: how long do you and Mickey go back, and do you have any interesting stories from "back in the day"? You guys strike me as being pretty similar in a lot of ways (I mean as far as personalities and what you've been through in your lives) and it's cool for me to see two of my pop culture "heroes," for lack of better description, being friends, and also making similarly timed "comebacks." (Or whatever you want to call it.)
Axl: Mickey and I haven't really hung much but have a lot of mutual friends over the years. He's always been massively supportive. I've always been a big fan of his as well. It's probably better for both of us we didn't hang directly back in the day!!
Fan: Who do you listen to for hardcore blues? I'm a blues singer and I can tell from your work that you have at least got way into a couple of blues records
Axl: Bessie Smith, Zep 1, Robert Johnson, Tumbleweed Connection, Janice.
Fan: Axl what do you think about Portuguese girls?
Axl: Lots!!
Axl: Havin' a bit of trouble posting replies.
Interrupted connection and all that.
Here's some answers.
Into Sorry musically most rt now.
Estranged and Civil War probably somewhere.
I probably just fucked the song up, wish it had deeper meaning.
Sometimes but not underground!
PC but I use both.
Fan: Hey Axl, is the song Atlas Shrugged as epic as the book? Who is your favorite character from the book?
Axl: Song doesn't have all that much to do with the book other than trying to do what you believe in and a line about shoulders not being wide enough.
Fan: Yeah the internets going slow because so many users are online
Axl was their ever a cover B and cover C for chinese democracy?
Axl: Yes there are. There are 2 more covers/bk cover combos and the real booklet that is all artwork that will be out shortly in some form. It's been an ugly battle that hasn't made any sense to anyone and whether anyone cares about such things the booklet or artwork has always been something I've been passionate about and to release the album with unapproved and unseen final artwork with a !st work only error filled draft when others more recent were readily available still has not been explained but is finally getting cleared up. My fave is the How Are You Grenade cover.
Fan: Axl how do you feel about Kanye outselling Chinese Democracy? Do you like Kanye's music?
Axl: I met Kanye at the Versace awards. He was very gracious. I love Gold Digger and told him so. I'm a big fan of his stage performance as he seems to go for it physically which I relate more to. B4 r release I sent him a msg that any nonsense from the media had nothing to do with us and wished him the best. I'm humbled we've done as well as we have considering.
Axl: Who wants to chat?
Deadxsouth: What happened to soon being the word???
Axl: In regard to?
Appetite: Axl if under assumption you tour the UK again will you be going back to Newcastle? despite the last time one prick there throwing pound coins about. I was there that night in 2006 and it would be a shame for the next tour not to stop there because of one idiot out of thousands (althouh I'm sure it's a lot more complicated then that and down to promotors).
Axl: That wouldn't stop us from playing there again. And the whole throwing shit sucks and is pretty cowardly but the leaving I got at Donnington from Lemmy. When we 1st played Donnington I was so happy I had knocked a bottle of piss out of the air when Lemmy gave me a lecture how if another band got hurt because I allowed people to throw things at our shows I'd be responsible for other bands getting hurt. Whether real or there's an argument against that, I've never been able to have anything override that in my head, not even a riot and I don't know why.
If you're working hard and some cunt throws something so he can tell his buddies I don't see where it's worth it.
Dudecqd: Hi Axl, is Silkworms on the next record? It's a masterpiece.
Axl: has a lot of guitars, lots of different drum the chorus is gone.
anythinggoes78: Hey axl glad you could make it shame i cant stay for long as im going to to see bumblefoot in an hour but welcome to the board. Any message for Ron while im there?
Axl: Say hi! He's got a lot more experience at this than I do.
danhuhn85: just wondering if there truly was a rap song with shaq on it that you recorded? this is one of the many rumours flying aroudn since this albums conception and i think we all wanna know..and its its real i want to hear it now...please send it to me in a PM ..NOW..haha
Axl: Imo that was just cheap shots from media jerkoffs knowing that Shaq wasn't the most popular or respected rapper publicly. I've never met the man. He goofed around with Paul and Diz and it went from there.
Rosie: I was wondering about new tour dates....
Axl: No plans. We're talking.
BringBackBrain: Is this for real? Axl. What is Brains status? Can you bring back Breakdown or Dead Horse to the set? Thanks. Your music means more to me than I could ever express.
Axl: I think he's doing alright. Maybe I should check. On the songs maybe, more interested in the newer now. And thank you, means a lot.
Blueheart: Hello and welcome to our board. I wanted to let our members ask their questions first but as my battery will go dead soon I have to ask...What's your opinion on the CD album, gunsnroses.com and chinesedemocracy.com being banned in China
Axl: China's a tough place. A lot of us have no idea how good we have it and think less of those less fortunate. The Chinese people have been kept in the dark thru literally the fear of incarceration or death which to most is either unimaginable or only able to be contemplated w/stories or movies and such where there it's an all encompassing environment and they're growing larger everyday.
aussie_GNR92: How does an average GNR rehearsal go? like, do you jam on any covers, go over songs until they are extremely tight? etc. Also, how frequent are Guns N' Roses rehearsals? Thanks.
Axl: Frequency depends on the reason say a tour or particular gig and how we feel about where we're at with whatever the material is and not so much on the covers but lots of jams. Generally there's a lot of fun but a lot of work and these guys take it very seriously which is great.
BringBackBrain: How do you feel about meeting your fans?What is the best way for a fan to meet you, if they happen to be a dude (since the stereotype is that rockers only wanna meet hot chicks). What do you think of fans who get GNR related tattoos?
Axl: I like meeting all kinds of fans but after a show (I realize that's the only time some may feel they have an opportunity but w/the exception of close friends around...) not to be offensive but I'm generally not looking forward to walking off stage to hang with guys whether they're fans or not. I deal with Guns all day every day so coming off stage to talk about the band is just like more of the same. Unless there's pressing business I wanna forget that till it's time to go at it again the next day. And people may enjoy meet and greets and have their reasons why it meant a lot for them which I respect but overall charging fans for it I thinks disgusting of bands. Now if they did it for free to winners of a contest etc that would be different. Charging is lame. How to meet bands? Maybe try to hang out places u might hear they do sometimes.
Bane: Hi Axl, this is so great of you to do this for us all\Well my question on the other thread, which I will ask again here is:How much does the book 'Catcher in the Rye' inform the song, or is is soley referring to Chapman?And are there any plans of touring South Africa? Thanks so much
Axl: For me the song is inspired by what's referred to sometimes as Holden Caulfield syndrome. I feel there's a possibility that how the writing is structured with the thinking of the main character could somehow reprogram for lack of a better word some who may be a bit more vulnerable, with a skewed way of thinking and tried to allow myself to go what may be there or somewhat close during the verses. I'd think for most those lines are enjoyed as just venting, blowing off steam, humor or some type of entertainment where it may be how others seriously live in their minds.
The bridge b4 the solo is an artistic interpretation of a institutionalized mind. The outro is a tribute to Lennon and an indictment of the author for writing what i feel is utter garbage and I agree whole heartedly that it should be discontinued as required reading in schools. That's my take, I could be completely wrong, I do realize that the song and title could have the next poor soul reading the book and feeling inspired to make an unfortunate statement. So there's the catch I guess.
When I came up with the focus, I got a call from the director of Imagine wanting a bunch of money to make a documentary, had a guy sending me strange packages about Lennon and serial killers etc and the web started calling me Salinger w/no one knowing what I was writing. I figured I was on the right track at least for a song.
eduardo_gnr: Axl when are you coming down to South America, you have forgotten this place in the last years
Axl:Haven't forgot, looking forward to it.
Gavgnr : Hi Axl,Just wanted to ask this: out of all of the music you have written, what song are you most proud of. BTW Prostitute is fuckin amazing.....thank you
Axl: Right now a lot on this album. For me musically it would have to be the orchestral arrangement in the bridge of TIL.
sakuL: this is the first time I feel ashamed for my avatar ... how does it feel [Axl] to see your face everywhere? Especially these very old pictures ...
Axl: fine
aussie_GNR92: Axl, When Guns played the surprise acoustic show in London, can you remember what the request was that you denied before playing Nightrain, and if so, what was that request?
Axl: no idea
BringBackBrain: Axl, what do you think of Duff's comments about ChiDem?
DUFF MCKAGAN Says AXL ROSE 'Sounds Amazing' On 'Chinese Democracy' - Dec. 12, 2008
Bassist Duff McKagan (VELVET REVOLVER, LOADED, ex-GUNS N' ROSES) was interviewed this morning (Friday, December 12) by "The BJ Shea Morning Experience" on the Seattle station KISW 99.9 FM. A couple of excerpts from the chat follow below.
On whether he's heard the new GUNS N' ROSES album, "Chinese Democracy":
Duff: "I have, yeah. I think Axl [Rose, vocals] sounds amazing. You know, I'm glad he put out the record he wanted to put out and I think it's gonna be successful, him going out and touring. People have been talking how the record's doing. I think it's a longevity thing; it will do fine for him. And I wish him the best of luck."
On whether there is any truth to the rumors that Axl Rose tried to reunite the original GUNS N' ROSES lineup before the release of "Chinese Democracy":
Duff: "I think all of it's rumors. It makes for good, you know, talk around the water cooler, but I don't think much of it is based on any fact."
On whether there's been any communication between him and Axl and on the possibility of a future reunion of the original GUNS N' ROSES lineup:
Duff: "No, there has been no communication. I've grown up. There are so many other things that made me realize, in my life, that made me realize, 'Oh, you're an adult now,' you know? Petty things just go by the wayside. I don't really have time for any of that stuff anymore. As an adult, I see what you guys see. Like, OK, well, everybody is alive and perhaps one day. And if we did it, it would be a blast. It's not anything, by any means, that I sit around and wait for or hope for. If it happens, it happens, and if not, that's fine too."
Axl: And?
bushkarocks! : do ya internet with a 56 k modem axl?
Axl: Do you?
Lies They Tell: Hi Axl! Chinese Democracy awesome, but it's a pretty ballady album compared to previous GNR albums. Is this the new direction of GNR or will some of the future GNR albums be more focused on hard rocking songs again?
Axl: What I know is it's the record that was able to get through the red tape and get itself out there while helping friends, loved ones and myself along the way. The whole ballad or rocker thing has never been something I've ever cared too much about. There's some meaner sections ahead but a particular focus once there were a few of the newer guys together was to bring a bit more beauty into our efforts.
BringBackBrain: Axl, you have the best fans in the world! Up at 5 am to talk to you. We love you. Thanks for all the music. How did you get involved with the WWE? I am going to the Pay per View on Sunday. What is a good sign to bring with your name on it?
Axl: Management. Can't remember the name of Bubbles wrestling character.
sakuL : alright than ... nevermind anything I've sent…this is my question:
- is the band still in contact with Paul Huge? Any more future plans with him? Guest apperance on tour maybe?
Axl: Paul helps out all the time and is on a lot more material. Paul helped get a lot of the base credits etc together which were extensive. He's always had a good memory on that stuff and it's generally important to him to be as ethical as he's capable which is invaluable.
Workaholic: I would like to know...If you're composing music (piano) are you using some computer software to write the notes down or are you using a sheet of paper and a pen for this?
Axl: If I want to capture it I either use Logic or Protools in the studio. I've tried recording myself otherwise for years but for some reason no matter what's there it doesn't seem to be where my real focus should ultimately be.
Gunns: Hey Axl, alot of the gnr fans always say how good the House of Blues 01/01/01 show is, are you thinking about releasing that for the fans in dvd or download soon?
Axl: No plans for any live shows as DVD's currently.
vince41090: Axl - From interviews, tours, riots, and information you revealed yesterday morning, this project has obviously had it's ups and downs. If you could do this whole process over again, with the making of CD, would you?
Axl: Only for the same reason I have, other than that... not in a billion years.
Blueheart: Also, would u consider GNR to perform for a charity cause, and if yes what that cause would be?
Axl: All depends on the cause and if it feels right for us at the time. There could be a disaster that we felt strongly about being involved with helping in some way but often these turn into ways for bands to just promote themselves not really caring but looking so publicly. Or the money doesn't reach the victims or those in need while the celebrities are promoted for thier efforts. Efforts at what? Not into that so much. Medical situations are always important. If you're really helping then I'm for it. Which one's I couldn't really say it's not like I would draw a line or argue the importance of one over another in most cases.
yorch: Hey Axl, thanks for bringing us so many special moments, like this...
Now I'll start with 2 easy questions:
-When did you start the recording of your voice for CD and when did it end and which was the last song recorded?
-Are you here to promote the album, or do you really care about your fan base?
About me, your music has given me the best of my life. That's something great, thank you. Oh and, When you think about you, do you know you're one of the greatest geniuses of our time? How does it feel? Not only me, WE love you, thanks.
Axl: I'll have to think about the 1st bit. W/the second I'm not sure how much this is promoting the album as it's in our own backyard so to speak but it is talking with fans about some of the realities of Guns or myself which whether I've wanted to or not didn't feel right until now. So I'd say it's about us!!
BringBackBrain: Axl, here's a list of rumored song titles. Can you tell us which ones are bogus and which ones are real?
Ides Of March ('98), Oklahoma ('98), Atlas Shrugged ('99), Closing In On You ('99), Cock-A-Roach Soup ('99), Friend Or Foe ('99), Hearts Get Killed ('99), No Love Remains ('99), Oh My God ('99), Something Always ('99), Suckerpunched ('99), Zip It ('99), Silkworms ('00), Down By The Ocean ('01), Leave Me Alone ('02), Seven ('02), The General ('02), Thyme ('02), Quick Song ('05), Zodiac ('05), Motormouth ('06), We Were Lying ('06)
What do you think of fans who bring signs to shows?
Remember GIMME SOME TWAT @ Hammerstein?
That was me! Can you tell us if you will play new (non chi dem ) material on tour in 09?
Axl gets up around 7, Gets on the Net around 9, Answering the same fucking questions 200 times, Typing away and feeling fine, We've been chatting with Mr. Brownstone, He's be typing, He needs a faster internet connection at HOOOOMMMMEEEEE!
Axl: Ides Of March, Oklahoma, Atlas Shrugged, Oh My God, Silkworms , Down By The Ocean (Izzy), Leave Me Alone, Seven , The General , Thyme , Quick Song , Zodiac Most all titles subject to change w/out warning and r considered working titles.
No plans on tour setlist as of now.
Mickey Mouse: axl i have two questions for you -has anything disney ever inspired you musically? like the little mermaid score or somthing? are you a fan of the little mermaid? whats your favorite disney animated film?
-did you do a song with eazy-e in the early 90's i read it somewhere, i think it would be pretty cool did you hang out with eazy-e ever? what was a cool moment hanging out with n.w.a.? i guess thats more than one question sorry
Axl: don't know about musically but I'm pro Disney. Go about once a year or so. Went w/Bucket a lot. It's nice to go somewhere where people allow themselves to be more in touch with a more innocent side of themselves at least for what seems like the most part.
He recorded w/Slash and Duff. He really wanted to attack the media over attacking me for One in a Million. There wasn't really any Easy on it. I wasn't there. He gave me the tape to consider. Sounded a bit like the other guys doing Bodycount. The idea was ok but the track wasn't really there and I felt it would get more heat than the track could stand up to. Only hung a couple times after a show with any of them. Was glad I got to meet Easy.
Totalost: hi Axl!which of your songs ever is the most meaningful for you? and why?
thanx for chatting
Axl:I probably won't answer this for a while. It's a good question but one I'll have to think about.
JLR: Hi Axl , Which song on Chi Dem do you feel was your best work vocally?
also, are you coming back to Sheffield anytime soon?
Axl: End section of TWAT, Backgrounds in Catcher. And hopefully when we tour again.
Vesosexa: Hi Axl and welcome , it's a dream come true to even have a chance to ask one of my favorite musicians a question . I want to ask you two questions that don't have anything to do with G N' R they're more about Axl Rose as an individual. Questions :
Q1 What do you do in your spare time for a hobby what else do you love except music?
Q2 If you don't mind would you tell me what are your favorite 10 albums of 2008 and all time favorites i would like to know more about your music taste.
Q3 The Bonus Question hahah. Chinese Democracy was a brilliant album ,but to you miss the old Guns from time to time and when can we expect more from the musical guineas you're?
Thank You
P.S You Rock
Axl: Cars, checking out art, F1. I'm more into film scores.
I miss the illusion we shared for only a few months if that of thinking we were in this together. It wasn't real or if so only ever so briefly while deeper currents of ambitions were temporarily put aside but I didn't know that then.
Yorch: I love Oh my God, but it really sounds like a demo, why? I'm sure we all would love a new version.
Axl: Because that's all it was, only at the time having just got it together only Jimmy Iovine knew that who wanted it to sell their soundtrack. I saw segments of the movie which were good. As a whole later not so much but it wasn't ready yet then. I did write an experimental piece inspired by the bits I'd seen called "Daddy Can the Devil do Mommy and me?"
Jaxlmorrison: I guess the only question I really have is when do you think we will see you boys on the road again? And is there ever a chance of you playing Philadelphia again?
Axl: Not sure, looking at options and I would love to play Philly as I would have loved to play bk in 02.
ThinkAboutYou: Axl sebastian bach mentioned you were writing an autobiography how is that progressing?
Axl: It's not exactly an autobiography as much as legal record of every last detail of what went down with the breakup. I have about 40k words on it (don't know where 1200 came from) but it's generally really depressing so I don't go back to it so much.
Pestilence: what are your current thoughts about Kurt Cobain
Axl: I said I'm going on ChiDem now and he said whatever and walked away other than that I've been busy.
Dudecqd: Axl, coudl you tells us more about "The General"?
Axl: You may have heard parts of it somewhere.
Gavgnr: How many other new songs are fully complete and ready to go?
Axl: Haven't checked.
MR ROLLS: Alright Axl mate, it's saturday morning here in sunny old England and it's pissing it down, however looking forward to the summer festivals, what are the chances of an appearance? Better is the dogs bollox too geezer!
Axl: Their being considered. Was great in '06.
jackrory : Hey AXL, that race track gig you refared too was the RDS gig in Dublin Ireland June 2006...Amazing..saw you at the Slane gig in 1992 also..thanks alot great times...hope you're doing well..
Axl: That's right, sorry bout that.
MYWIFEMYLIFE: Axl, Thanks for evrything you've done for us. You've always made my life brighter,happier,you saved my life,made my day,helped me find my wife,build my career...Thanks for that time and smile on my face when I first hold the Chinese Democracy cd. IT DESERVED EVRY SECOND I WAITED IN THE LAST 17 YRS.
I love you. Please come back to Istanbul next tour. (I was the one who gave you "mom dont worry i'm with axl again 93-06 banner,got your microphone from that gig,and cried just in front of you in the first 3 songs ) Did you like Istanbul? Plz come again.
Axl: Istanbul was great and the venue with the river, the bridge, the boats and the moon, the outdoor clubs and getting chased by the cops, and almost being kidnapped...
TWT (free at last...): And the Dexter TV show, hopefully. Maybe Six Feet Under as well. Oh, wait! Axl, I find the verses on Shackler's Revenge to remind me of The Sopranos theme tune in certain ways. Should they do? Furthermore, any chance of getting the complete album on Rockband? That would be swell. I've done SR on expert, so if you're looking for a guitarist, PM me.
Edit: Shit, I just saw the above post in red. We'll have to find out the answer to that one another day
Axl: Never thought of that w/the Sopranos but a big fan of that song. And I think that's a yes on Rockband.
steffi115: Which is the most emotional song for you too sing on Chinese Democracy?
Axl: TIL
Matiaszabala: Hi, I am Matias from Argentina. do you have any plans to come to argentina soon ? Thanks, We love you so much.
Axl: I really like Argentina and wish I could go more often. I look forward to play there again.
slashwusty889: Axl, man (this is incredible), two questions dont worry if you got LOADS many more to answer.
Democracy is a compelling/brilliant album every song has such an extreme feeling and vibe which drags you back for more, id just like to know....
1) outta the whole record what is your favourite part of music on it? like a break down at some point,strings, anything!, it would jus be cool to know!
2) in the 2006 tour when you was in the good old UK did you use michael owen's helicopter????? i heard rumours hahahaha top man if you did!
thanks for this, made my day!!
Axl: Bucket's Blues fill at the beginning of the last verse in Prostitute and his Eventide bits in the outro, the guitars in the bridge of Better, Robin's solo in Twat for a few of them.
Not sure but leaving Silverstone and no fault of our pilots, I saw another helicopter coming towards us blades 1st out of the corner of my eye, yelled watchout and our pilot jerked us out of the way of an idiot who was unauthorized to be where he was and came out of nowhere.
W/out our pilots skill and quick reflexes it would've been over rt then for real.
It was also great to read how "Merck took the keys to the copter so Axl couldn't leave" Donnington like I'm James Bond or something. I did make him drive bk to London though!! ;D
Axlgreece: Christos from Greece here...First of all, thank you Axl for answering all these questions.
Both of my questions are about Catcher and they're a bit strange and may sound stupid to some but what the fuck...
1) Many people consider number 7 to be a lucky number (including me). Is this a good reason why Catcher is on number 7, or was it just random placement?
2) "How a body took a body and gave that boy a gun". Sorry for my english, but if you could explain to me what this means, I would be gratefull...
3) Don't care about May's solos (even though I love the guy), the song is pure magic, just like This I Love.
GN'R = Sometimes the only thing we counted on when noone else was there...
Axl: The # was random but the sequence is intentional. It's a line from the book used to infer it may have helped to inspire a senseless killing.
Rex: Axl, do you think This I Love is still the heaviest thing you've written, or has another song popped up that now holds that title?
Axl: That's still it and ultimately a great healing experience to compose something you have no real idea you're capable of such as the bridge. It's a lot more intricate than I think most realize yet as the guitar and vocals are placed as they should be so dominant. The main string melody in that section I had originally written to a hip-hop loop as well.
markus89: The chance of you actually reading this is pretty slim, but here goes...
Axl ! Mind telling us what we have coming? Wondering if we have some sort of concert fottage coming anytime soon, remember from the 2 shows I was at in Norway that it got filmed.
Are you able to tell us anything about a future tour at this time? Next time I'll be folowing the band, in a non stalking way, through Scandinavia.
Oh, and, if you were to talk to Bumble anytime soon, ask if he still has the cross I gave him during Paradise in Norway July 8th
Axl: Think I've already answered the 1st 2 and I'll ask Bbf.
Monkeychow: Axl - could you pklease talk at all about what inspired the lyrics to Shackler's Revenge and/or Catcher? Or the meaning behind Riad? thanks.
Axl: Shackler's was inspired by the insanity of senseless school shootings and also the media trying desperately to make more out of one shooter's preference for the Guns song Brownstone to no avail.
That said, listening for my own enjoyment or if we were to make a video or performing it I lean more to the entertainment of a horror flick or something like Dexter, something with an interesting menacing character as opposed to real life.
UseYourIllusion1991: Hey Axl,I just want to apologise on behalf of everyone in Brisbane, Australia, for that douchebag who threw that cup of water at you after you went on stage. Thanks for the great performance, it was a night full of memories for me.
Axl: Ha! Thanks...mate!!
Vesosexa: lol I knew my questions weren't going to be answered I'm not very lucky am i lol. anyway before i go to work i'll ask it again : Axl please tell us a bit more about your self
Axl: Cheer up and have a great day!! : ok:
andy Rosita: 1) Hi Axl, I’m from Argentina and I must say that I’m ashamed of the way our government treated GNR the last time you came. Unfortunately for you, that current administration was up to really dirty business and they used GNR as scapegoat, you know, to distract people from what was really going on. Accept my apologies on behalf of my country
Argentina is really fond of GNR, we fucking love you . My question is: when will you start touring? I hope you don’t exclude us from your destination list!!!
Axl: Thank you! It actually worked out good for us w/the press conference and all
Axl: I tried sending this ages ago but apparently it never went through. It was a direct response but now fits others questions on the same subject.
The whole whose it about bit w/songs doesn't work for me that much as in whether a line or whatever was inspired by a particular person or situation doesn't mean that in the end that's what or who the song's about.
I could be working with clay and think of someone or something and somehow that could inspire me to take the work in a different direction at the moment but in the end it could just be a nice vase.
I often wonder where the people who inspired so many songs are now and why it's only important with some songs such as Layla as opposed to others. I'm guessin' a fair # of beautiful love songs or otherwise were inspired by some that the artists and public might consider now or in hindsight to be the opposite of how they are depicted or allegedly represented.
With Sorry.. like a lot of the material is drawn from a lot of different situations. The main focus on the boards w/the track seems to be either Slash or "the fans" (and the collective of "the fans" is another thing that doesn't work for me) and is much too restrictive or narrow and limits what I feel I intended.
For me it's for anyone talking nonsense at mine and the public's expense and that many of those as well as the public don't know who to believe.
Also where possible I'd like to give people the opportunity to get what they can from the material for a while before clouding that with my inspirations. Of course that's not always avoidable.
GNRNZ: Hey axl what effect do leaks REALLY have on the band/the album? Theres a lot of speculation but no clear answer. Thanks for your time
Axl: Basically for us it's devastating across the board. And when u have such a majority openly justifying their actions and throwing out nonsense such as it's not actually stealing as the original is still with whomever it's unbelievably insane.
It exists because of the greed of the record industry, the greed of large scale pirating, the ease and common nature now of the act itself and personal motivations such as popularity among certain groups, possible momentary media recognition etc.
And it's too rampant and widespread. It's simply too huge a mess for the courts to deal with and in that with those #'s and the expense and manpower involved necessary at this time to curtail it... obviously there are more serious crimes for society to focus on.
Besides, fuck musicians right? If they didn't make enough already then they probably suck anyway rt? "I ain't cryin' for no rich dude." Whatever.
And who knows? What are our #'s on the torrent sites for this album? I don't know. So I don't know how or if it's affected us in terms of sales this time around. Maybe not but w/the economy and the core of our market I'd think there's a possibility it has had a negative effect. Anyone?
Steveysham: Axl, I'd just like to say I feel that you have captured the mood and feel of J.D Sallinger's 'The Catcher In The Rye' perfectly. Why did you chose this book to reference as regards to Chinese Democracy. On a related note, What are your five favourite books?
Axl: Ok, I've never actually tried to put this into words this way before and this'll probably get me in trouble with someone but here goes...
The piano started while watching a documentary or A&E type show on Chapman and wanting to write something for Lennon and his family.
W/the book it started as fascination and curiosity with Holden Caufield Syndrome and what was or could possibly be in the book that obviously certain vulnerable people have seemed to become so passionate about and resort to outrageous public attempts or acts of violence. That and the question most have in regard to Lennon's death...why?
Can't say I have those answers but I feel our song pays the emotional tribute to John Lennon in the end that I'd wanted to write since the night he was killed and also since first listening to Elton and Bernie's Empty Garden.
I read the book. I fell into a deep dark sleep. Went to the studio and sang as a joke what I refer to as the Holden parts off the top of my head and felt at the time at least imo I had stumbled on a way of thinking that had a pattern and a flow but was broken up like a television station going out and coming back slightly off course intermittently and not making sense with it's earlier portion.
Where this unease helped to justify or even demand taking action and feeling the power of taking that action against whoever your mind felt was somehow involved or the root of this unease and alienation. Accompanied by a calming surreal almost religious (but totally insane) vibe I think that if some were to experience having limited capabilities, insecurities or are mentally and emotionally challenged in some way could find a false sense of solace and take comfort in like being on some type of drugs or meds but with an added completely false sense of an imagined calling or purpose.
It certainly could and very well often would feel better than some individuals real world or having to experience or live with a clearer perspective of their true reality...
All of which of course could be imagined and hooked together by events like Lennon's murder, reading the book, wanting to write a song about someone being insane, John Lennon, Chapman, people shooting people and watching Mel Gibson's Conspiracy!
And when I got home not in any dramatic way but more like cleaning off the dinner table I threw my book away.
Don't know if any of that's really what any of that's about but that's how it hit me and just like an instant cake we got the basis for a song.
The Stand, A Scanner Darkly, The Mutant King, The Zodiac, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
Axl: And with that I'm out. I'll try and get to more later. It's been fun. That bum rush killed me at the start and I never recovered! Thanks for the appreciation and props, have a good one.Thanks Sean!!
Republican Jesus: Axl do you control the weather or is that solely Oprah? Thanks in advance.
Axl: Oprah
Alfie Bones:: Jarmo, do you know the reason behind the name Dexter? Is he a fan of the show (on Showtime)? Just curious...No need to reply if the reason is deemed private/personal.
Pine Barrens:: Could be because of the guy from The Offspring, too... but I'd rather it be the TV show.
Axl: The show and my cat named after the show, she's a methodical killer.
Evolution: Hi Axl, how's it going?
Just wanted to ask if you had any fond memories from the UK leg of the tour from 2006, particularly the concert in Glasgow in July?
Axl: Glasgow was great. I think that's where I got to do a lot of slides on the stage. Was like a race track or something rt?
Richard Fortus' Next Tattoo: Is your cat a Fancy Feast cat?
Axl: She's a classic stereotypical cat so it changes when least convenient.
Evolution: I think the racetrack you're referring to was the Download 2006 gig at Donnington? Could be wrong.
Glasgow was the SECC in Scotland! You have the history with kilts and having Scottish blood, right? Haha!
Axl: My bad, was it outdoors or in? I was thinking of an out door afternoon gig not Donnington though. thought it might have been a horse track with the layout. Probably what u mistakenly refer to as football!!
The sites a little bogged down so having trouble answering much of anything.
LaneSax: Axl, thanks for Chinese Democracy which i personally think is your best work. what's your pick for album of the year? and have you heard the new MetallicA album?
Axl: Ours of course!!
Yes, I like it.
gunns1: Axl will you tour Australia next year, and when are you looking at doing so?
If you could work with buckethead again, would you have him just in studio, or also would you welcome him in the touring lineup?
Axl: Austrailia's great and the crowds are really alive. No plans yet but I'm sure there will be.
I have no issues with Bucket. It's hard to tell what was real or not in things we were told by Merck. He's more than welcome to tour with us in some form or other provided we're both interested at the time and come to some type of reasonable terms. Personally I have a blast w/Bucket on tour and get a big kick out of the guy. A lot of feelings were hurt on this side of the fence in how things went down and unfortunately others used our silence and the public's not knowing for their own purposes at both Bucket's and our expense.
IndiannaRose: As a native Colombian I must ask: In 1992, while performing November Rain in Bogota (in November), it rained.
Wait no....it poured.
How weird was that, eh?
Axl: Very surreal and religious feeling. So was being chased by the military in our plane down the runway gettin' outta Dodge there!!
Bruno Poeys: Now that you said that please tell us if Robin's out or not... because, otherwise, we'll be reading several 'Axl wants Bucket back and Robin/Bumble/Richard out' type of threads for the entire '09 year and these threads annoy us, the new lineup fans.
Axl: It really is what it is. No decisions have been made by either him, I or us that I'm aware of.
When we're touring or working in the studio or there's social things like a friend's dinner or party whatever we would hang. But as people get older they have their own lives. The Stones aren't going bowling every Tuesday etc.
Robin leads one of the most different lives I know of starting with the trapeze in his backyard to the tv in his closet. Robin's work on the next is done so there's not lots for him to do here except the elusive promo and he'd rather be on stage.
It's more about seeing where things are when Guns decides it's right for a tour and if we're able to make agreements we both are comfortable and can live with at that time.
Sharky-dude: Hi axl!
just wondering what stops you from playing more guitar live?
Axl: skill
daredeviljane: Hey Axl, Are you checking your PM's???
Axl: Not rt now.
It's a bit slow getting around on here rt now.
Let's talk about Catcher!!
Who's 1st?
Pine Barrens: Axl/Dexter, I'm fixing to pack everyhting I own into my car and drive out to L.A. from Arkansas to give a career in music a shot. Any advice? Or should I just shit in my pants, dive in and swim?
Axl: Follow your heart, don't sell out and read every book on the biz u can find.
eggers: Catcher is one of the best songs on the album, why no Brian?
Axl: There's a few reasons and none of them all that big and definitely not in spite or to slight anyone.
1st off obviously I knew people liked the song but the Brian appreciation really only showed up in force publicly after we had moved on in Guns. In fact Not many seemed to care and most comments were aimed at why Slash in their opinions should be here.
Brians solo itself is a personal fave of mine and I really couldn't understand as he's such a rock legend why it wasn't openly appreciated more at the time.
In actuality all that feel and emotion referred to now had a lot to do with Sean and I and the parts I chose out of Brian's different runs, versions, practice runs etc to make sure we had those elements in one version. It's entirely constructed from edits based around one specific note Brian hit in a throw away take. And though Brian seems to have warmed a bit to it at least publicly he was unfortunately none to pleased at the time with our handiwork.
I remember looking at Brian standing to my left and him staring at the big studio speakers a bit aghast saying "But that's not what I played."
Sean Beavan and I were not in any way tring to mess with Brian we just did what we do and then try and do our best to stand up for our decisions.
gnronanightrain: Axl are you still thinking of suing Dr Peppers ass?
Axl: Sure but the actions taken so far had nothing to do with me and I was taken off guard as I had specifically told our team who fucking cares rt now we have a record to deal with.
My feelings are after their public response. It was cute.
Maybe the guy who got it rolling originally meant well but it turned out sour and maybe it's just me but he seems like maybe he wants a bit too much attention so...
Ron Jones: I'm sorry for posting this again! It's just..I don't get this chance everyday!
Ever still think about working with Jeff Lynne I think you two would be fuckin awesome together.
Would you ever give an unkown band a chance to open for you guys?
How do you feel about Double Fantasy? I could see u covering watching the wheels
Have you seen the movie The Aviator any thoughts it is my favorite of all time.
Axl: Not presently but he's a true hero of mine.
Absolutely.
I think we have or at least relatively but I could be mistaken
Big Lennon fan.
I piss in jars all the time only I throw them at people!! j/k
axlrose06: when are the online shop opening?
Axl: I haven't been involved much in any of our merch and the reasons are it's been a mess legally for years. Unbeknownst to most of you I was recently sued again by Duff and Slash for some murky Merckiness that I was unaware and not involved in. Fortunately that was resolved but it got ugly and took a while going into arbitration.
Merck shifted our merch from some of our newer styles to incorporating more of the old with some scam that actually and surprisingly lost sales in comparison but that's old news.
What I look forward to is incorporating the new artwork into our merch and getting some for myself. I think u'll like a lot of it. My vote's for the How Are You grenade and the Sorry automatic rifle artwork on shirts etc.
GunsNHalen: C'mon! Really? People are spamming the board like crazy and being rude to our guest of honor, and my post gets deleted. I would just like to say that this is a very amazing song! I mean....it's a classic!
Axl, don't you agree?
uzisuicide2002: lmao STOP trying to rick roll him
Axl: That's my brother.
It's not letting me answer anyone.
I do like the lyrics.
I wrote a paragraph or so on the new booklet and more on the story of what's out now but it got lost in the traffic jam.
GunsNHalen: C'mon! Really? People are spamming the board like crazy and being rude to our guest of honor, and my post gets deleted. I would just like to say that this is a very amazing song! I mean....it's a classic!
Axl, don't you agree?
uzisuicide2002: lmao STOP trying to rick roll him
Axl:That's my brother.
dimitri: a duo possible on the next album
Axl: He doesn't like to go out much. Strange guy!
ecwfan: DEXTER/AXL,
How do you feel about artists covering your songs ?
Axl: Depends but in general it's great.
gunns1: Hey Axl , whats your favourite song from either Chinese Democracy, or from an unreleased album?
Axl:The bridge in "Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul aka The Soul Monster (working title Leave Me Alone)" which will no doubt end up "Soul Monster".
I think it's r most Black Sabbath moment. Sang it on a Christmas eve. Imo the meanest section of anything I've sung to date. Which having said that I'm sure when it's heard others may disagree but we felt it was a Christmas card of unadulterated venom so to speak. I felt a lot better afterward.
dead_flowers: Axl, how is your relationship with the former members/friends of GNR???
Axl: Not sure I understand the question.
BabyGorilla: Axl, do you know of any steak house in the Los Angeles area better than The Cut?
Axl: Haven't been but I hear it's great. Maestros T.O. is pretty good.
Axl: Someone give me a list of all the alleged song titles at once and I'll tell what's real or not. Most from the past like cockroach soup or eulogy aren't.
D: I know this is jumping the gun big time, but any tentative idea when you would like to see the next CD come out?
Axl: No, maybe same bat time, same bat channel next year but we'll have to see.
Axl: Someone give me a list of all the alleged song titles at once and I'll tell what's real or not. Most from the past like cockroach soup or eulogy aren't.
ecwfan: Atlas Shrugged
No Love Remains
Take That When Love Collides (I believe that was the name)
Thats the ones I remember....
Axl: only Atlas
hebbesy: Hey Axl,
Is there anything in the past that you have now looked back on and thought maybe I culd have handled that differently, also what are your ongoing hopes for GnR in the future?
I have cyclothemia and sometimes get this feeling that I cant be around people and need my own space and area, how do you find the bipolar effect you, if you dont mind me asking that is?
thanks again for doing this.
Alex
Axl: Of course but in the world of sports and litigation....
I've not been diagnosed as being bipolar though many misconstrue statements I made earlier as alluding to such and unfortunately there's been an abundance of misguided or unqualified speculation of various events but I definitely can relate to needing my own space.
In my world all bi polar means (and not to offend or make light of those suffering from a genuine condition or involved with those who are) is that someone can try to take cheap uneducated shots or try to claim I'm bipolar thus justifying why they should get paid a financial settlement for whatever nonsense they're up to. Fortunately that hasn't proved successful.
Nikki_Sixx: Axl,
- What is your honest opinion on why the old lineup disintegrated ?
- What is your honest opinion on why it took so long for CD to come out ?
I think that's what most people want to know but dare not ask ...
Axl: 2 great but complicated questions and I agree that people would like to know at least my take on things.
Not avoiding them here but they deserve more than I can give as we've been at this a little while. But I'm attempting to speak out on several issues these being a major focus over the coming weeks and months. What I can say now is u've been told a lot of things in order for others to promote themselves that factually they cannot backup in regard to either. They are complicated legally, financially and have devoured a good portion of my life.
The record Chinese u may have is nothing short of a miracle in almost each and every way that either it or I exist imo under the bizarre and ugly conditions of the last over 15yrs.
Thanks everyone and thanks for all the support and the positive comments both 2nite and over the years. I hope to do this again soon, maybe sooner than u'd think! And u didn't scare me off I'm just burnt and would rather not misspeak on issues that may mean a lot to some.
And Checkmate is a bogus title. The working title is Jackie Chan.
Thanks again.
Peace,
Axl-
Q:- Will you go back into the studio again to record, or are you done with all the things have recorded currently?
A: Probably and that’s a joke right? lol
Q: - Will there ever be decent promo and interviews etc concerning this album or is this it?
A: There were imo well thought out plans and strategies that unfortunately were ignored once we were pressing CD’s. There will be proper interviews and some are already scheduled for much later intentionally. God idea, bad…we’ll see. I’m happy the record’s out the rest… one nightmare at a time.
Q: - What is your favourite band atm/ what was the last concert you went to?
A: Don’t really have a fave at the moment. I’d rather not comment so much on what I listen to or what bands etc. That hasn’t turned out well so much and seems especially if I’ve been positive so I’d rather focus on this band. Can’t remember. Actually perhaps surprisingly I’m not so big on live shows personally, never have been. That’s not to say I can’t go to an event and have a good or a great time and really enjoy it.
Q: - Why did you decide to sing that line, "But I don't want to do it" in that voice?
A: Because I like it, feel it absolutely fits the song, is a bit reggae etc and is lots of fun personally.
- COME BACK TO AUSTRALIA SOON...
A: When we can!!
Q: -how do you take very deep emotional things to extract words, notes, songs ?
A: Always different, most times much harder than I’d prefer and of course if it’s about something unpleasant that brings other difficulties into play.
Q: -This I Love is incredible, what's the next song in the trilogy?
A: Not sure, we have an acoustic piece I feel I can really work with and can hear the rest of the ideas for in my head so maybe…
Q : -Hows the autobiography going?
A: Answered.
Q : -What does the future hold for 'OMG'?
A: There’s a remix w/lots of new vocals and a wilder guitar intro but it’s not taken all that seriously.
Q: -Will Brian May appear on Atlas Shrugged?
A: Perhaps on an alternate or bits, on that track it has more to do with recording issues and getting the mix to a good level.
Q: -What had happened to the 01 and 06 supposed DVDs.
A: What DVD’s?
Q: -Thanks for appearing on MJ Fox parkinson disease event.
A: My thanks to Michael, Mohammed and Martin Scorcese for having me.
Q: -Are you gonna come to Croatia biggrin
A: I’d like that. Your part of the world has been through so much.
Q: -What part of guitar work for TWAT is yours?
A: I wrote Robin’s bit in the second verse. There’s microscopic bits throughout usually woven down in the other guitars. There bits throughout the end, the basic power chord bit was originally mine, there’s a ghost like bit that formed the basis for the end vocal melody right befor e Robin’s riff’s in one side in the outro before Bucket’s solo and as it gets to the very end there’s lot’s of little over dubbed bits woven in and out very small but structured bits.
Q: And which women influenced the writing of the new ballades.
A: Ha! We’ll get to these a bit later as they’re a bit more complicated than a simple answer of a few names but most are composites and became much more about the song than particular individuals.
Also again I’d like people to have a chance to develop their own relationship with the material a bit. Not dodging as most of these answers will come out over time.
Q: - Axl, will you release the HOB 01/01/01 on dvd, or have it available for download for fans through the gnr site?
A: Asked and answered.
Q: -Do you plan on being on the forums sometimes or is this a one time thing?
A: We’ll see how it goes.
Q: -Any plans on updating the website to make it more...fan friendly? And what ever happened to the fan club thing?
A: I’ve started (again) recently to make an attempt to try and get something going there. It’s been extremely frustrating. I’ve had ideas but former management went with theirs. Previous to what we have now I’ve consistently had others attempt to pressure and railroad me into working with others that I chose not to as it was more about managerial control than a good website and not in my best interest so the ideas get shelved and it generally just sits there. Plus as frustrating as it was for everyone it was not time to talk publicly. So it gets consistently shelved.
Q: -What are your views on Contraband and Libertad?
A: I’ll save this one. These are obviously highly charged areas and I’d rather take things one step at a time.
Q: -IF Robin is gone, who would you want to replace him?
A: Good question…! biggrin
Q: -What's goin on with this biography of yours
A: Asked and answered.
Q: -Who's Shackler and why does he want revenge?
A: He lives deep within each and every soul stirring only when the moon is right… or to the smell of KFC…. Or as Brain says “Once upon a time there was a Shackler…” ninja
Q: -How'd you get those weird sounds in the beginning of the song that sound sorta like elephants?
A: That’s Bucket’s guitar. Which knowing that, it’s how I hear them and I could understand others having a different impression.
And on another note… I don’t really get the “industrial” rap it gets considering these are guitars with very minimal keys. Some of what may be mistaken for keys are Bucket’s different guitar bits and my underlying background vocals. Imo as it’s not clear to the average listener exactly what’s happening and it’s not something most are used to it tends to get lumped in to a category and by some it’s not so innocent as it’s being cute which again imo does a disservice to the song and the band kinda like how I felt when Sweet Child won a Moonman as heavy metal.
I’ve never been fond of that type of labeling as it tends to try and pigeon hole the material and the band especially in the mainstream media. Though there are others who legitimately enjoy the track and see it that way for their own reasons as well so then maybe it’s not all that important.
Also though Bumble is playing several parts the basis is Bucket and the main verse riff is his and his performance. Bumble’s correct in what he said publicly it’s just that there’s a lot more going on there as well.
Q:-What's a Riad/Bedouin and can you clarify for the last time if the song is Oklahoma or not?
A: Another one step at a time question! It’s not Oklahoma which later became Berlin and subject to change.
Q: -When's the next album coming? Are you still planning the multiyear thing?
A: No idea and that was someone else’s thoughts.
Q: -Why did you only play There Was a Time twice in 2006 and not at all in 2007?
A: Not sure I just go with how things feel at the time.
Q: -I'm glad you dusted off Don't Cry in 2007. Anything else (aside Perfect Crime which was on the setlist) that may be brought back from the dead in the future?
A: I’d like to do Estranged at some point but there’s no plans. I know the guys pick a couple every so often on their own to get down but I don’t know what those are.
Q: - i was wondering if there wil be a dvd release of the tours ya did in 06/07 ?
A: It’d be nice but rt now no plans.
Q: - What's the story behind Crash Diet and why was it never put on to a GNR album?
A: Somethin’ done with Wes and his friend and more about their guitars than Guns.
Q: - What the hell was My World? lol (I've always been curious)
A: Great question and here goes for all your inquisitive minds with a bit you aren’t aware of but is the real story…
Unfinished 1st run 1st dabbling/experimenting all in fun demo that became Duff’s favorite song at the time telling me how he loved to blast it at his house with Ice T and the Bodycount guys before Illusions came out and before it was decided to be on the record. I wanted to try and develop it and wanted guitars of some kind but Slash felt and his words at the Record Plant in all seriousness were “It’s perfect” and Slash and Duff were the deciding factor to have it on the album. eek
Personally I feel Duff legitimately liked it but I can’t say Slash did in the same way. In fact I feel he was keenly aware some would take issue with the track and against me so for him in that sense it was “perfect”. Imo Duff wasn’t aware or part of that and was “used” unwittingly for support in talking me out of developing it or not including it which at the time I had no real intention of using as is.
Q: -axl did you do a song with eazy-e in the early 90's i would like to hear it if you did eazy-e was tight
A: Answered but it’s nothing like Easy.
Q: -whats your favorite disney animated film and score
A: Hmm… Snow White and “Apple core nothing more…” more a skit than a score. Probably Cinderella but I haven’t listened consciously since I was a kid. If that forever a day line’s from there that was pulled out of my ass or my subconscious which some are certain are fairly close together. wink
Q: -do you have any fond memories of hanging out with n.w.a.
A: Not that I can share!slywink
Q: -do you like the little mermaid
A: We text. The whole breathing under water and no vagina make things a bit awkward but…
Q: - when would be the earliest we could hope expect a tour/tour announcement.?
A: When we decide on one! Seriously I don’t know I’m focused more on other areas but we are talking seriously. We have a great relationship with our Euro and other areas promoter as well as the promoters in Austraila and Japan and Irving has lots of ideas we just started tossing around.
Q: - Is the song "Sorry", directed at anyone in particular?
A: Answered.
Q: - Have You Watched the fan-made videos online, do you like some of them? any in particular?
A: Only seen bits and pieces.
Q: - Will the rerecorded appetite ever see the light of day?
A: It’s really just adat and maybe but it was just for learning purposes, more like rehearsal’s.
Q: - Will we ever get a documentary of some sort about the rebuilding of Guns and the making of CD?
A: We’ll be talking about the reality of making the record a bit for a while beyond that I can’t say.
Q: Who is in the band?
A: Answered somewhere. It’s more about who’s on the album right now.
Q: - -Did you hear the arcapella version of sweet child of mine in step brothers? what did you think??
A: Haven’t heard yet. Heard it was funny.
Q: - the "next" album ,does it look like that one ? so different style ?
A: Not clear on the question exactly but I’ll take a shot… it’s a lot more different styles than on this one. As I’ve said it seems more like a double album to me meaning Chinese and the followup.
Q: - Can you take a picture of yourself with CD in your hand and add it to the "Do you Have CHinese Democracy" flickr group here http://www.flickr.com/groups/doyouhavechinesedemocracy/
A: Don’t have one yet!!
Q: - - Could you name a few books that you've read lately?
A: Haven’t lately. Bought a book on Blackwater.
Q: - Is music the meaning of your life, if not, what is?
A: My family and Guns seems to be in a lot of ways.
Q: - is the band still in contact with Paul Huge? Any more future plans with him? Guest apperance on tour maybe?
A: Yes, I’m sure there are and maybe.
Q: -has anything disney influenced you musically?
A: More the atmosphere there and Walt Disney’s original intent along with Bucket and others who enjoy Disney and the films than directly music related..
Q: -is it just me or do i hear you say lennon when i play catcher backwards
A: Haven’t noticed. It’s not intentional from me but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
Q: -bumblefoot told me in the eddie trunk chat dizzy reed plays pokemon do you play pokemon whos on your pokemon team? and , axl , wii ps3 or xbox360?
A: Haven’t played.
Q: -will there be any cover songs on future albums?
A: Maybe. Haven’t planned.
Q: -are you friends with bill warde? i talk to him alot, can you tell me somthing i can tell him that will freak him out? so i can be like hey bill axl told me you ...bla bla bla etc. whatever
A: Sabbath? :thumbsup:Never met, say hi and all the best!!
p.s. please dawn the white underwear again onstage it looks amazing
A: Ha!! I’m wearin’ ‘em now and skateboarding in my crib filled with blue jello while on acid for I am The Shackler in the Rye with Diamonds!! rockon biggrin
Ok then!! The questions aren’t here but the answers as it moves along I think point pretty clearly to what was asked in pretty much order or close of the 7 pages. If I didn't answer it was either already answered, off topic or I mistakenly overlooked the question, my apologies for the inconvenience. It’s not as light hearted as some of the other sessions but that’s the subject matter. Whew!! smiley-shocked.gif
So let’s start here… the whole Axl wouldn’t go on stage yada yada… is complete and utter crap.
Never happened, all made up, fallacy and fantasy. Not one single solitary thread of truth to it. Had that been the case I would’ve have been cremated years ago legally, could’ve cleaned me out for the name and damages. It's called under duress with extenuating circumstances. In fact the time that was mentioned the attorneys were all in Europe with us dealing with Adler depositions.
Couldn't talk sooner as it could have jeopardized whatever nonsense was going on.
When Guns renegotiated our contract with Geffen I had the bit about the name added in as protection for myself as I had come up with the name and then originally started the band with it. It had more to do with management than the band as our then manager was always tryin’ to convince someone they should fire me. As I had stopped speaking with him he sensed his days were numbered and was bending any ear he could along with attempting to sell our renegotiation out for a personal payday from Geffen.
It was added to the contract and everyone signed off on it. It wasn’t hidden in fine print etc as you had to initial the section verifying you had acknowledged it.
Now at that time I didn’t know or think about brand names or corporate value etc. All I knew is that I came in with the name and from day one everyone had agreed to it being mine should we break up and now it was in writing.
I still didn’t grasp any other issues until long after I’d left and formed a new partnership which was only an effort to salvage Guns not steal it.
In my opinion the reality of the shift and the public embarrassment and ridicule by others (which included a lot of not so on the level business types he was associating with at the time) for not contesting the rights to the brand name, were more than Slash could openly face. Also we aren’t lawyers or formally business educated so it was just a matter of all of us being naïve and doing what we thought was right at the time. Slash was imo being on the up and up in agreeing I had the rights and I wasn’t trying to be some snake in the grass pulling a fast one. The others could’ve cared less.
But when the reality of the breakup hit and the strategy to have me crawl back was put into play Slash had to save face and get business team and public support. Painting me as the one who held a crowd hostage forcing the others to sign over the name worked out pretty well in that regard. I’m the bad guy and Duff, the fans and most importantly himself were the victims. Oh and they had actually made the sacrifice for the crowd, the people, the fans at the show. But again…. IT NEVER HAPPENED.
Media and others ignorantly, wrongly and falsely harped on about it at mine and the fans expense for years and Slash has hoped to use all that to continually sue and have some sort of legal nonsense going on behind the scenes in an effort to reverse things. He wouldn’t have been able to get the support and action on the part of his various team members over the years to do so if the truth were out there especially when the statute of limitations had run out years ago.
Why keep the name? I’m literally the last man standing. Not bragging, not proud. It’s been a fucking nightmare but I didn’t leave Guns and I didn’t drive others out. With Slash it’s been nothing more than pure strategy and saving face while manipulating the public like he used to me. I earned the right to protect my efforts and to be able to take advantage of our contract I’d worked hard for where Slash’s exact words were that he didn’t care. I get that some like a different version or lineup the same way some like a specific team line up or a particular year of a specific car but because you and I are getting played I’m supposed to throw the baby out with the bath water?
I didn’t make a solo record. A solo record would be completely different than this and probably much more instrumental. I made a Guns record with the right people who were the only people who really wanted to help me try, were qualified and capable while enduring the public abuse for years . The songs were chosen by everyone involved. I didn’t want to do This I love in anyway shape or form and Robin and Caram insisted gaining Tommy’s and the others support. There’s been a lot of pressure to go with using my name (all external) but that never felt right to me for this band and the parameters in regard to this music have lots more to do with the mindset of Guns than something else. The instrumental I wrote for End of Days that’s more a solo effort at least presently.
As far as a new name…this is who I am not whatever else someone else thinks of. I don’t see myself as solely Guns but I do see myself as the only one from the past making the effort to take it forward whether anyone approves or not and giving beyond what many would or fight for to do so. The name helped the music more than you could ever know and I’m not talking in regards to studios or budgets I mean it as in being pushed by something and having to get the music to a place where I can find my peace regardless of what anyone says. And that wasn’t fully achieved until the last round of mastering and swapping out a version of a track at the pressing plant that had gotten inadvertently changed at the last minute.
Also the name was what the industry wanted as well and the burden of keeping it was something to endure in order to make the record. After the monies invested by old Geffen (that were decisions made that have worked out for me but I'm on record as having opposed) dropping the name became suicide.
The cost of legal battles has been astronomical but I felt the deal made with Universal was fair for where it is and most things balanced out for both sides.
David Bowie likes Floyd with Barret, many with Waters and those without. And there are those who like all the different lineups. Imo what makes our situation a bit more unique at least in how it’s played out is the ugliness of what really took place. If I’d done what was said then I’d say fuck me too. I also realize this is just one issue in something with upteen however many more so conclusions can’t be formulated off this little bit alone by most which is more than understandable.
That said because someone leaves the shop I started in which I still legally have the rights to the name I started it with… makes up a bunch of nonsense to win public and legal support in an effort to get whatever it is they want at mine and the public’s expense… I don’t feel any reason whatsoever I should have to throw what I’ve not only worked for but fought and suffered for away because some hurt, angry, betrayed, misguided and lied to people with a lynch mob mentality, joined by others who could care less (especially in the media), enjoying the controversy and hate, choose one over the other regardless of what’s right because they want what they want. And you can still prefer then as opposed to now and no one’s arguing your right to do so.
In regard to nuGuns, I get that sometimes it helps to be able to clarify. Personally I call this Guns and the Illusions or previous lineups old Guns.
We can play what we want as far as I’m aware.
It wasn’t so much that it was a good course or that if looking back I could do something differently it’s that for better or worse it was the only course and had I not done this Slash would have succeeded in destroying me publicly much more than he, others or myself have so far and I would have gone bankrupt.
I don’t know where I’d be but there’s clearly no happy ending there and with everything else that had gone on in every other area of my life the devastation isn’t something I feel I would have overcome at least to any real degree publicly. Hopefully I would’ve been able to pick myself up enough to get a job or sing somewhere else but I doubt anything that significant.
The sharing thing is interesting but even with all this time the complications of the red tape and trying to get something out fall on my world to sort and not theirs. They are amazingly supportive and do their best to keep me in up spirits and focused which I had less and less of in Guns way before Sweet Child caught on. If that were to change then that may be something to look at. I hope for us to grow more together as we continue so who knows.
If I hadn’t secured the rights I don’t know where I’d be and I’d probably call what would then be the current lineup “Those mother fuckers!!” rofl-lol.gif
The name is something I take great pride in as I feel anyone who’s been a part of it should, the same as other bands or teams etc. The burden when it is such is a nightmare but not as much or as hopeless as I’d imagine without it could have been.
On the what’s the difference… I think I get what you’re asking… I feel it depends on how and in what ways either the formers members are using the association and what the true circumstances regarding why they moved on from both the band and the name that would or could affect the decision to continue on with the name by in this case this lineup and or myself.
As for selling more records it’d be nice to be in a position to possibly do so at some point but that’s never been my base reasoning. I would think it fits into not feeling I shouldn’t be forced to throw away possible opportunities in a hostile attempted takeover. I believe I should fight for Guns in a patriotic sense or sense of loyalty or honor. Not just my vision or direction for Guns as those things can evolve and you can make forward moving positive compromises by what others bring to the table but I mean more as in what principles I feel were important to Guns in regard to an overall commitment to the music.
It helped us get here but most of that was with Universal and the positives of that wore off years ago until recently and after the initial run it’ll be about the music and us. Then it’s about touring and there’s not a question the name’s helped at most everywhere but not so much the states. With that it comes down to the strength or quality of the performance. Having the name kicks your ass every night as it’s not some side project or something u can fuck off in. You don’t deliver u get your ass handed to u. So it makes us work much harder than I feel we would outside of it and it hasn’t been too ugly yet.
I didn’t see lineup changes etc back then I saw it more as a crash and burn, goin’ down with the ship. On one hand I knew the band was over before we started touring Illusions but you have hope… but I saw it more like the Titanic sinking than moving on or surviving. And in reality I went the distance with each and every one in Guns to where they felt for whatever reasons they either couldn’t or wouldn’t give what Guns required.
And I’m not talking change of styles or sounds etc. A lot of people bought that crap and me having gone in other directions seems to many to have verified that. Then you have the mind twisting equally as true horseshit in Slash’s book but I have the rehearsal tapes. There’s nothing but Slash based blues rock and he stopped it to both go solo and try to completely take over Guns. I read all this if Axl would’ve put words and melodies on it could’ve… That was denied and I didn’t walk till several months after having 3 to 4 hour phone conversations nearly every day with Slash trying to reach a compromise. I was specifically told no lyrics, no melodies, no changes to anything and to sing what I was told or fuck off.
As to what would possibly make me change the name would be some form of evolving that I don’t feel we’ve reached yet and not in any way consciously trying to at this time. It’s really hard to say. I’d have to feel it was right for me and those involved and whatever we’re doing at that time.
Never thought about that , with the RRHOF. The whole “mature enough” bit was cute. Not to offend anyone but personally I don’t have an interest and other than inducting Elton don’t quite get what it is exactly and who decides what. It seems to mean more to some than others and more so amongst fans. It’s nice to get recognition and have some form of acceptance but in regards to joining others the price is too high and just not worth it. It’s a ways away and seems a bit presumptuous to be contemplating being inducted now.
About following particular styles yes I do feel there are parameters with Guns as opposed to not being or in Guns. Chinese is imo an evolution not necessarily how each from the past would but how the music and intent could and did. Guns did not have specific lifelong criteria to follow and many of the influences on Appetite were abandoned by the others long before me. In fact Slash hated a good portion of those on Appetite and wasn’t all that into the involvement or association but knew it worked at the time and realized it was the cusp of a wave that was growing. It’s a trip for me to witness as so many of the people he performs with etc he hated then, them, their bands and their music where the others or I were the fans.
I like touring with these guys a lot more than the old band. The beginning was fun but it started going bad our first gig opening for the Cult in Halifax between Slash and I. That’s when the ok I put up with all Axl’s and Izzy’s crap now I’m gonna be the man trip started with him runnin’ right out front on the ego ramp for the whole show. It was pretty funny. rolleyes.gif
No one ever talked about or suggested using another name. The guys are really respectful in regard to the old band and I’m not sure if they’ve said a paragraph apiece in all the years towards or about the old band whether I’m talking about whatever or not. But from being with me for so long they know a lot of it’s shit so they get bummed at the endless interviews and nonsense. Personally I’m so proud of them I wouldn’t know how to express it. I can’t see me handing something like this as they have with so much class and maturity especially being shit on publicly to such a degree. “Hey join my band, bring an umbrella!!”
If I were to leave Guns I could consider giving, selling, shelving or opening a GNR Burger chain with the name!! Ha!! j/k. I’m not so different than the alumni in that there’s generally something going on that makes things suck and when that reaches overflow I want out too but if you didn’t when it’s ugly I think that’d be less normal.
If I went solo which I haven’t I wouldn’t call it Guns.
The name does come from mine and Traci’s as the original inspiration but was something I played with not Traci and Guns was Guns before Traci joined. It was Guns Before I knocked on Izzy’s window. Earlier I had gotten Tracii to use the name Guns (as he had mentioned a girl had called him Mr. Guns sometime) so he’d stop calling his band Persian Rose. So I guess we have the girl to thank.
The other’s having a sense of entitlement to the name isn’t completely off but has more to do with how Slash dealt with things and his particular strategy and I say strategy because that’s what it’s been. But since I managed to hold out that didn’t play out so well for him in regard to the name.
It’s a band name more than a brand name. As Tommy said regarding our struggles to make this happen “We’re not lettin’ what took so much blood and heart get turned to shit and dust.” And I guess you could apply that to current former or whatever.
Slash never had ANY arguments for keeping the name until long after and again I feel that had a lot to do with seedy biz types and him feeling he had to save face.
Keeping the band name alive was very important. Not out of ego and I don’t know exactly why in the sense of putting into words but I think it has something to do with the global effect it has and how Guns surviving in some way is sometimes inspiring to others around the world and in that there’s a sense of obligation.
I don’t regret keeping the name though I wish more were supportive or at least not as aggressively opposed.
The details are that my attorney shit when I made the move. He was very against it fearing long litigation but even then no one talked about brand names or individual interests in a brand name. I look back and have no idea why. Not my people, not his people, no one.
No one pressured me, everyone was afraid and no one including myself wanted to break up Guns or the relationship. And Bubbles and I talk all the time!
We can “chat” about the contract and the reasoning another time
The battles were during the breakup. Our people and my individual legal basically forced me to go thru the motions with everything I had to make things work for over 2 years in the sense that if they felt I wasn’t making every effort 110% and with all the sincerity and all above board I wouldn’t have their support which I wanted, couldn’t afford to lose or risk losing. Which led to the trial period where Slash played the key bits of Fall to Pieces but once I showed some interest that was over.
I get the part about reckless but it was more about strategy and underestimating how long I would stick with it.
As far as people knowing me, this is a statement that in light of others decisions that I chose to pursue as Guns N’ Roses and what some may feel is a different this or that may seem as if the arguments or disagreements are about the band or the style of music such as blues or influences on earlier Guns has some relevance but imo points more to deeper base elements I wanted to put forth for people in general.
Such as a more positive intent and instead of as self destructive more of healing. There’s all kinds of things to help you die or be more negative. I wanted to try and make as powerful a hard rock album as we could while incorporating beauty and an openness to other forms both traditional and more recent without going religious etc. I didn’t attempt to make a party record or dance record both elements consciously in Appetite. I wasn’t trying to purposefully appeal to the heartland or middle America in those ways (not that I was trying to avoid them or have an issue). But for example Sweet Child wasn’t in any way trying to write a “hit” mainstream song it was trying to write the best Guns N’ Roses Lynard Skynard influenced song we could as tribute and recognition in the tradition of Tuesdays Gone With the Wind or Simple Man etc and at a time when nothing could have seemed more unpopular.
One man forced me to work with others. One man forced me to work with others to survive. And I can’t say what would have happened on different terms. I say yes because it was agreed from day one. U have to realize we were on the street. It wasn’t the first band. Whoever thought of the name kept the name unless he gave it up or moved on. Everyone was always having a new version of whatever their band name was. I wouldn’t have thought of using LA Gunns or any of Slash’s band names. We all knew that we could break up the next week. You had to have that stuff somewhat sorted between each other going in. It was a deal that we made. The issue becomes the value or perceived value now and the fans attachment and or acceptance. Really weren’t things we consciously considered even during the breakup.
I don’t exactly know what Guns N’ Roses is but I know it’s my job in the sense of an obligation and I’m good with that.
The name and rights have nothing to do with the breakup. That’s all a created façade a decoy and a smoke screen. Now had what Slash said actually transpired then I’d say of course but in reality, No.
Going into Guns there wasn’t a #2. At that time I was going to make it in a band that started as Guns N’ Roses and could evolve but that was the starting point and it was all the way or bust. I knew what I wanted when I knocked on Izzy’s window. I also knew I wanted Slash but we still had differences and Izzy wasn’t down with it.
I wasn’t legally obligated but we probably would have gotten dropped and I would have been driven into bankruptcy.
I think it varies and happy Christmas to u and everyone.
I don’t think about the dangerous bit or status or identification. I’ve always thought of the symbolism since thinking of the 2 words together. And in that I absolutely feel this is a Guns N’ Roses record.
It’s an issue that gets brought up a lot especially in the media at all levels and it gets really ugly. It’s ugly right now with dj’s across the country who feel their sticking up for something that they bought into unaware. So I wanted to start going at it a bit.
Most critics have higher opinions of theirs than is merited. I haven’t read much from outside sources in the media regarding my world that know much of anything let alone what would be in my best interest other than looking at events in hindsight and playing armchair music mogul. Which most times means nothing and though could seem logical is usually just as far off base as anything else they’ve said.
The heart and commitment these guys play the material with is much more than the others were prepared to give pursuing their own interests for a very long time. The music changed after Slash and I parted so the direction was where I took Guns not where I had intended or tried to go previously. It had a lot to do with not finding or knowing a more blues based player that I found inspiring and I was really knocked down and beat up. Slash, Duff and Matt’s decisions had as much to do with kicking a guy when he’s down or abandoning ship at the time as anything else. Other things were going on with music as well, we were basically dead at Geffen. I liked other things as well so I wanted to explore, be legitimate and survive. I wasn’t doing what was written so often about chasing fads etc. Jesus, I wouldn’t have agreed for Zakk to come down if any of Slash’s or the media’s nonsense were real. And that could’ve worked on some level but like Guns it would’ve been up to those two and their relationship. They talk nice but it wasn’t pretty… but it was pretty awesome!!
No plans not to be Guns for the future.
Solo efforts… Much more experimental and instrumental.
It doesn’t bother me unless it’s being done at my expense and or to keep him associated as in Guitar Hero. Him being Guitar Hero’s fine but not when Activison in using Jungle, having Yahoo use Sweet Child unauthorized, claims no involvement with Slash, his or anyone’s image or VR or anyone or anyone’s music in either camp in promotion or commercials etc. I wasn’t broadsided. I read about it as it moved along but Activision continually denied it right up to the release. That’s some low life chicanery on all their parts.
Yes Slash was in Guns and on Jungle (and the whole I came to him for his riff is as much crap as him saying he brought Locomotive and Coma in as complete songs) and he has rights to perform it but not to be represented in this context in association with Guns. And since they weren’t granted the license it’ll take some sorting.
Universal has Guns under contract but I own the name.
I don’t have problems with whoever doing the songs but film or video gets into sync rights and I don’t have an interest in anyone new, old or whatever trying to sell themselves as GNR under another name that way.
It’s my understanding the lawyers were scammed like the everyone else so for them to continually try and find a way to reverse things is normal and would seem appropriate but again it NEVER Happened.
Thanks everyone. Hope to get back soon. I’ll take a look at that list. As long as we don’t get to personal or offensive I’m good with things. Thanks for all the questions, my apologies for not answering specifically to each, this was just a bit easier for this subject. Hope no one took wanting to stay on topic to personal. Thanks again to everyone who participated. Thanks to everyone for the great comments and appreciation. Happy Holidays. x_rudolph.gif
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quote:Op maandag 15 december 2008 10:00 schreef JosD. het volgende:
En hier zijn mening over het gebruik van de naam ''Guns N' Roses'' @ MYGNR
Ok then!! The questions aren’t here but the answers as it moves along I think point pretty clearly to what was asked in pretty much order or close of the 7 pages. If I didn't answer it was either already answered, off topic or I mistakenly overlooked the question, my apologies for the inconvenience. It’s not as light hearted as some of the other sessions but that’s the subject matter. Whew!! smiley-shocked.gif
So let’s start here… the whole Axl wouldn’t go on stage yada yada… is complete and utter crap.
Never happened, all made up, fallacy and fantasy. Not one single solitary thread of truth to it. Had that been the case I would’ve have been cremated years ago legally, could’ve cleaned me out for the name and damages. It's called under duress with extenuating circumstances. In fact the time that was mentioned the attorneys were all in Europe with us dealing with Adler depositions.
Couldn't talk sooner as it could have jeopardized whatever nonsense was going on.
When Guns renegotiated our contract with Geffen I had the bit about the name added in as protection for myself as I had come up with the name and then originally started the band with it. It had more to do with management than the band as our then manager was always tryin’ to convince someone they should fire me. As I had stopped speaking with him he sensed his days were numbered and was bending any ear he could along with attempting to sell our renegotiation out for a personal payday from Geffen.
It was added to the contract and everyone signed off on it. It wasn’t hidden in fine print etc as you had to initial the section verifying you had acknowledged it.
Now at that time I didn’t know or think about brand names or corporate value etc. All I knew is that I came in with the name and from day one everyone had agreed to it being mine should we break up and now it was in writing.
I still didn’t grasp any other issues until long after I’d left and formed a new partnership which was only an effort to salvage Guns not steal it.
In my opinion the reality of the shift and the public embarrassment and ridicule by others (which included a lot of not so on the level business types he was associating with at the time) for not contesting the rights to the brand name, were more than Slash could openly face. Also we aren’t lawyers or formally business educated so it was just a matter of all of us being naïve and doing what we thought was right at the time. Slash was imo being on the up and up in agreeing I had the rights and I wasn’t trying to be some snake in the grass pulling a fast one. The others could’ve cared less.
But when the reality of the breakup hit and the strategy to have me crawl back was put into play Slash had to save face and get business team and public support. Painting me as the one who held a crowd hostage forcing the others to sign over the name worked out pretty well in that regard. I’m the bad guy and Duff, the fans and most importantly himself were the victims. Oh and they had actually made the sacrifice for the crowd, the people, the fans at the show. But again…. IT NEVER HAPPENED.
Media and others ignorantly, wrongly and falsely harped on about it at mine and the fans expense for years and Slash has hoped to use all that to continually sue and have some sort of legal nonsense going on behind the scenes in an effort to reverse things. He wouldn’t have been able to get the support and action on the part of his various team members over the years to do so if the truth were out there especially when the statute of limitations had run out years ago.
Why keep the name? I’m literally the last man standing. Not bragging, not proud. It’s been a fucking nightmare but I didn’t leave Guns and I didn’t drive others out. With Slash it’s been nothing more than pure strategy and saving face while manipulating the public like he used to me. I earned the right to protect my efforts and to be able to take advantage of our contract I’d worked hard for where Slash’s exact words were that he didn’t care. I get that some like a different version or lineup the same way some like a specific team line up or a particular year of a specific car but because you and I are getting played I’m supposed to throw the baby out with the bath water?
I didn’t make a solo record. A solo record would be completely different than this and probably much more instrumental. I made a Guns record with the right people who were the only people who really wanted to help me try, were qualified and capable while enduring the public abuse for years . The songs were chosen by everyone involved. I didn’t want to do This I love in anyway shape or form and Robin and Caram insisted gaining Tommy’s and the others support. There’s been a lot of pressure to go with using my name (all external) but that never felt right to me for this band and the parameters in regard to this music have lots more to do with the mindset of Guns than something else. The instrumental I wrote for End of Days that’s more a solo effort at least presently.
As far as a new name…this is who I am not whatever else someone else thinks of. I don’t see myself as solely Guns but I do see myself as the only one from the past making the effort to take it forward whether anyone approves or not and giving beyond what many would or fight for to do so. The name helped the music more than you could ever know and I’m not talking in regards to studios or budgets I mean it as in being pushed by something and having to get the music to a place where I can find my peace regardless of what anyone says. And that wasn’t fully achieved until the last round of mastering and swapping out a version of a track at the pressing plant that had gotten inadvertently changed at the last minute.
Also the name was what the industry wanted as well and the burden of keeping it was something to endure in order to make the record. After the monies invested by old Geffen (that were decisions made that have worked out for me but I'm on record as having opposed) dropping the name became suicide.
The cost of legal battles has been astronomical but I felt the deal made with Universal was fair for where it is and most things balanced out for both sides.
David Bowie likes Floyd with Barret, many with Waters and those without. And there are those who like all the different lineups. Imo what makes our situation a bit more unique at least in how it’s played out is the ugliness of what really took place. If I’d done what was said then I’d say fuck me too. I also realize this is just one issue in something with upteen however many more so conclusions can’t be formulated off this little bit alone by most which is more than understandable.
That said because someone leaves the shop I started in which I still legally have the rights to the name I started it with… makes up a bunch of nonsense to win public and legal support in an effort to get whatever it is they want at mine and the public’s expense… I don’t feel any reason whatsoever I should have to throw what I’ve not only worked for but fought and suffered for away because some hurt, angry, betrayed, misguided and lied to people with a lynch mob mentality, joined by others who could care less (especially in the media), enjoying the controversy and hate, choose one over the other regardless of what’s right because they want what they want. And you can still prefer then as opposed to now and no one’s arguing your right to do so.
In regard to nuGuns, I get that sometimes it helps to be able to clarify. Personally I call this Guns and the Illusions or previous lineups old Guns.
We can play what we want as far as I’m aware.
It wasn’t so much that it was a good course or that if looking back I could do something differently it’s that for better or worse it was the only course and had I not done this Slash would have succeeded in destroying me publicly much more than he, others or myself have so far and I would have gone bankrupt.
I don’t know where I’d be but there’s clearly no happy ending there and with everything else that had gone on in every other area of my life the devastation isn’t something I feel I would have overcome at least to any real degree publicly. Hopefully I would’ve been able to pick myself up enough to get a job or sing somewhere else but I doubt anything that significant.
The sharing thing is interesting but even with all this time the complications of the red tape and trying to get something out fall on my world to sort and not theirs. They are amazingly supportive and do their best to keep me in up spirits and focused which I had less and less of in Guns way before Sweet Child caught on. If that were to change then that may be something to look at. I hope for us to grow more together as we continue so who knows.
If I hadn’t secured the rights I don’t know where I’d be and I’d probably call what would then be the current lineup “Those mother fuckers!!” rofl-lol.gif
The name is something I take great pride in as I feel anyone who’s been a part of it should, the same as other bands or teams etc. The burden when it is such is a nightmare but not as much or as hopeless as I’d imagine without it could have been.
On the what’s the difference… I think I get what you’re asking… I feel it depends on how and in what ways either the formers members are using the association and what the true circumstances regarding why they moved on from both the band and the name that would or could affect the decision to continue on with the name by in this case this lineup and or myself.
As for selling more records it’d be nice to be in a position to possibly do so at some point but that’s never been my base reasoning. I would think it fits into not feeling I shouldn’t be forced to throw away possible opportunities in a hostile attempted takeover. I believe I should fight for Guns in a patriotic sense or sense of loyalty or honor. Not just my vision or direction for Guns as those things can evolve and you can make forward moving positive compromises by what others bring to the table but I mean more as in what principles I feel were important to Guns in regard to an overall commitment to the music.
It helped us get here but most of that was with Universal and the positives of that wore off years ago until recently and after the initial run it’ll be about the music and us. Then it’s about touring and there’s not a question the name’s helped at most everywhere but not so much the states. With that it comes down to the strength or quality of the performance. Having the name kicks your ass every night as it’s not some side project or something u can fuck off in. You don’t deliver u get your ass handed to u. So it makes us work much harder than I feel we would outside of it and it hasn’t been too ugly yet.
I didn’t see lineup changes etc back then I saw it more as a crash and burn, goin’ down with the ship. On one hand I knew the band was over before we started touring Illusions but you have hope… but I saw it more like the Titanic sinking than moving on or surviving. And in reality I went the distance with each and every one in Guns to where they felt for whatever reasons they either couldn’t or wouldn’t give what Guns required.
And I’m not talking change of styles or sounds etc. A lot of people bought that crap and me having gone in other directions seems to many to have verified that. Then you have the mind twisting equally as true horseshit in Slash’s book but I have the rehearsal tapes. There’s nothing but Slash based blues rock and he stopped it to both go solo and try to completely take over Guns. I read all this if Axl would’ve put words and melodies on it could’ve… That was denied and I didn’t walk till several months after having 3 to 4 hour phone conversations nearly every day with Slash trying to reach a compromise. I was specifically told no lyrics, no melodies, no changes to anything and to sing what I was told or fuck off.
As to what would possibly make me change the name would be some form of evolving that I don’t feel we’ve reached yet and not in any way consciously trying to at this time. It’s really hard to say. I’d have to feel it was right for me and those involved and whatever we’re doing at that time.
Never thought about that , with the RRHOF. The whole “mature enough” bit was cute. Not to offend anyone but personally I don’t have an interest and other than inducting Elton don’t quite get what it is exactly and who decides what. It seems to mean more to some than others and more so amongst fans. It’s nice to get recognition and have some form of acceptance but in regards to joining others the price is too high and just not worth it. It’s a ways away and seems a bit presumptuous to be contemplating being inducted now.
About following particular styles yes I do feel there are parameters with Guns as opposed to not being or in Guns. Chinese is imo an evolution not necessarily how each from the past would but how the music and intent could and did. Guns did not have specific lifelong criteria to follow and many of the influences on Appetite were abandoned by the others long before me. In fact Slash hated a good portion of those on Appetite and wasn’t all that into the involvement or association but knew it worked at the time and realized it was the cusp of a wave that was growing. It’s a trip for me to witness as so many of the people he performs with etc he hated then, them, their bands and their music where the others or I were the fans.
I like touring with these guys a lot more than the old band. The beginning was fun but it started going bad our first gig opening for the Cult in Halifax between Slash and I. That’s when the ok I put up with all Axl’s and Izzy’s crap now I’m gonna be the man trip started with him runnin’ right out front on the ego ramp for the whole show. It was pretty funny. rolleyes.gif
No one ever talked about or suggested using another name. The guys are really respectful in regard to the old band and I’m not sure if they’ve said a paragraph apiece in all the years towards or about the old band whether I’m talking about whatever or not. But from being with me for so long they know a lot of it’s shit so they get bummed at the endless interviews and nonsense. Personally I’m so proud of them I wouldn’t know how to express it. I can’t see me handing something like this as they have with so much class and maturity especially being shit on publicly to such a degree. “Hey join my band, bring an umbrella!!”
If I were to leave Guns I could consider giving, selling, shelving or opening a GNR Burger chain with the name!! Ha!! j/k. I’m not so different than the alumni in that there’s generally something going on that makes things suck and when that reaches overflow I want out too but if you didn’t when it’s ugly I think that’d be less normal.
If I went solo which I haven’t I wouldn’t call it Guns.
The name does come from mine and Traci’s as the original inspiration but was something I played with not Traci and Guns was Guns before Traci joined. It was Guns Before I knocked on Izzy’s window. Earlier I had gotten Tracii to use the name Guns (as he had mentioned a girl had called him Mr. Guns sometime) so he’d stop calling his band Persian Rose. So I guess we have the girl to thank.
The other’s having a sense of entitlement to the name isn’t completely off but has more to do with how Slash dealt with things and his particular strategy and I say strategy because that’s what it’s been. But since I managed to hold out that didn’t play out so well for him in regard to the name.
It’s a band name more than a brand name. As Tommy said regarding our struggles to make this happen “We’re not lettin’ what took so much blood and heart get turned to shit and dust.” And I guess you could apply that to current former or whatever.
Slash never had ANY arguments for keeping the name until long after and again I feel that had a lot to do with seedy biz types and him feeling he had to save face.
Keeping the band name alive was very important. Not out of ego and I don’t know exactly why in the sense of putting into words but I think it has something to do with the global effect it has and how Guns surviving in some way is sometimes inspiring to others around the world and in that there’s a sense of obligation.
I don’t regret keeping the name though I wish more were supportive or at least not as aggressively opposed.
The details are that my attorney shit when I made the move. He was very against it fearing long litigation but even then no one talked about brand names or individual interests in a brand name. I look back and have no idea why. Not my people, not his people, no one.
No one pressured me, everyone was afraid and no one including myself wanted to break up Guns or the relationship. And Bubbles and I talk all the time!
We can “chat” about the contract and the reasoning another time
The battles were during the breakup. Our people and my individual legal basically forced me to go thru the motions with everything I had to make things work for over 2 years in the sense that if they felt I wasn’t making every effort 110% and with all the sincerity and all above board I wouldn’t have their support which I wanted, couldn’t afford to lose or risk losing. Which led to the trial period where Slash played the key bits of Fall to Pieces but once I showed some interest that was over.
I get the part about reckless but it was more about strategy and underestimating how long I would stick with it.
As far as people knowing me, this is a statement that in light of others decisions that I chose to pursue as Guns N’ Roses and what some may feel is a different this or that may seem as if the arguments or disagreements are about the band or the style of music such as blues or influences on earlier Guns has some relevance but imo points more to deeper base elements I wanted to put forth for people in general.
Such as a more positive intent and instead of as self destructive more of healing. There’s all kinds of things to help you die or be more negative. I wanted to try and make as powerful a hard rock album as we could while incorporating beauty and an openness to other forms both traditional and more recent without going religious etc. I didn’t attempt to make a party record or dance record both elements consciously in Appetite. I wasn’t trying to purposefully appeal to the heartland or middle America in those ways (not that I was trying to avoid them or have an issue). But for example Sweet Child wasn’t in any way trying to write a “hit” mainstream song it was trying to write the best Guns N’ Roses Lynard Skynard influenced song we could as tribute and recognition in the tradition of Tuesdays Gone With the Wind or Simple Man etc and at a time when nothing could have seemed more unpopular.
One man forced me to work with others. One man forced me to work with others to survive. And I can’t say what would have happened on different terms. I say yes because it was agreed from day one. U have to realize we were on the street. It wasn’t the first band. Whoever thought of the name kept the name unless he gave it up or moved on. Everyone was always having a new version of whatever their band name was. I wouldn’t have thought of using LA Gunns or any of Slash’s band names. We all knew that we could break up the next week. You had to have that stuff somewhat sorted between each other going in. It was a deal that we made. The issue becomes the value or perceived value now and the fans attachment and or acceptance. Really weren’t things we consciously considered even during the breakup.
I don’t exactly know what Guns N’ Roses is but I know it’s my job in the sense of an obligation and I’m good with that.
The name and rights have nothing to do with the breakup. That’s all a created façade a decoy and a smoke screen. Now had what Slash said actually transpired then I’d say of course but in reality, No.
Going into Guns there wasn’t a #2. At that time I was going to make it in a band that started as Guns N’ Roses and could evolve but that was the starting point and it was all the way or bust. I knew what I wanted when I knocked on Izzy’s window. I also knew I wanted Slash but we still had differences and Izzy wasn’t down with it.
I wasn’t legally obligated but we probably would have gotten dropped and I would have been driven into bankruptcy.
I think it varies and happy Christmas to u and everyone.
I don’t think about the dangerous bit or status or identification. I’ve always thought of the symbolism since thinking of the 2 words together. And in that I absolutely feel this is a Guns N’ Roses record.
It’s an issue that gets brought up a lot especially in the media at all levels and it gets really ugly. It’s ugly right now with dj’s across the country who feel their sticking up for something that they bought into unaware. So I wanted to start going at it a bit.
Most critics have higher opinions of theirs than is merited. I haven’t read much from outside sources in the media regarding my world that know much of anything let alone what would be in my best interest other than looking at events in hindsight and playing armchair music mogul. Which most times means nothing and though could seem logical is usually just as far off base as anything else they’ve said.
The heart and commitment these guys play the material with is much more than the others were prepared to give pursuing their own interests for a very long time. The music changed after Slash and I parted so the direction was where I took Guns not where I had intended or tried to go previously. It had a lot to do with not finding or knowing a more blues based player that I found inspiring and I was really knocked down and beat up. Slash, Duff and Matt’s decisions had as much to do with kicking a guy when he’s down or abandoning ship at the time as anything else. Other things were going on with music as well, we were basically dead at Geffen. I liked other things as well so I wanted to explore, be legitimate and survive. I wasn’t doing what was written so often about chasing fads etc. Jesus, I wouldn’t have agreed for Zakk to come down if any of Slash’s or the media’s nonsense were real. And that could’ve worked on some level but like Guns it would’ve been up to those two and their relationship. They talk nice but it wasn’t pretty… but it was pretty awesome!!
No plans not to be Guns for the future.
Solo efforts… Much more experimental and instrumental.
It doesn’t bother me unless it’s being done at my expense and or to keep him associated as in Guitar Hero. Him being Guitar Hero’s fine but not when Activison in using Jungle, having Yahoo use Sweet Child unauthorized, claims no involvement with Slash, his or anyone’s image or VR or anyone or anyone’s music in either camp in promotion or commercials etc. I wasn’t broadsided. I read about it as it moved along but Activision continually denied it right up to the release. That’s some low life chicanery on all their parts.
Yes Slash was in Guns and on Jungle (and the whole I came to him for his riff is as much crap as him saying he brought Locomotive and Coma in as complete songs) and he has rights to perform it but not to be represented in this context in association with Guns. And since they weren’t granted the license it’ll take some sorting.
Universal has Guns under contract but I own the name.
I don’t have problems with whoever doing the songs but film or video gets into sync rights and I don’t have an interest in anyone new, old or whatever trying to sell themselves as GNR under another name that way.
It’s my understanding the lawyers were scammed like the everyone else so for them to continually try and find a way to reverse things is normal and would seem appropriate but again it NEVER Happened.
Thanks everyone. Hope to get back soon. I’ll take a look at that list. As long as we don’t get to personal or offensive I’m good with things. Thanks for all the questions, my apologies for not answering specifically to each, this was just a bit easier for this subject. Hope no one took wanting to stay on topic to personal. Thanks again to everyone who participated. Thanks to everyone for the great comments and appreciation. Happy Holidays. x_rudolph.gif
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quote:Die smileys zijn een fantastisch argument en vegen de vloer aan met wat Axl heeft uiteengezet...Op maandag 15 december 2008 16:08 schreef Gitaarmat het volgende:
Nou ik heb het dus allemaal eventjes gelezen en eh...
quote:Hoe lang het heeft geduurd voordat dit album het licht zag is al eenOp maandag 15 december 2008 16:08 schreef Gitaarmat het volgende:
Nou ik heb het dus allemaal eventjes gelezen en eh...
waard.En dit komt veel geloofwaardiger over dan de verhalen die slash in het verleden vertelde.
Ook leuk dat axl zoveel vragen heeft beantwoord van fans op de diverse fora, maar hij had ook wel het een en ander in te halen :p
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