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  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 12:39:21 #1
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Guide to Anti-Communism

By J. Slavyanski

40 Helpful tips for Becoming a Successful Anti-Communist

1. Constantly insist that Marxism is discredited, outdated, and totally dead and buried. Then proceed to build a lucrative career on beating that supposedly ‘dead’ horse for the rest of your working life.

2. Remember, any unnatural death that occurs under a ‘Communist’ regime is not only attributable to the leaders of the state, but also Marxism as an ideology. Ignore deaths that occur for the same reason in non-Communist states.

3. Communism or Marxism is whatever you want it to be. Feel free to label countries, movements, and regimes as ‘Communist’ regardless of things like actual goals, stated ideology, diplomatic relations, economic policy, or property relations.

4. If there was a conflict involving Communists, the conflict and all ensuing deaths can be laid at the feet of Communism. Be careful when applying this to WWII. Fascist movements who fought against the Soviets or Communist partisans are fine, but try not to openly praise Nazi Germany. Save that for private conversations if you must do so.

5. You decide what Marxism “really means”, and who the rightful representatives of Communism were. Feign interest that Trotsky was somehow robbed of power by Stalin, despite the fact that you hate him as well.

6. Constantly talk about George Orwell. Quote from Animal Farm or 1984. Do not worry about the fact that he never set foot in the Soviet Union and both of those books are novels.

7. Quote massive death tolls without regards to demographics or consistency. 3 million famine deaths? 7 million? 10 million? 100 million deaths total? You need not worry about anyone checking your work, which is good for you seeing that you probably haven’t done any.

8. Everyone ever arrested under a Communist regime was most likely innocent of any crime. Communists only arrested harmless poets and political prophets who had a beautiful message to share with the world.

9. Everything Stalin did or didn’t do had some sinister ulterior motive. Everything.

10. Keeping with the spirit of #9, remember that Stalin was an omnipotent being, perhaps an incarnation of the Hindu deity Vishnu, who had full awareness of everything going on in the Soviet Union and total control over every occurrence which took place between 1924 and 1953. Everything that occurred during that time was the will of Stalin. Stalin knew the exact details of every criminal case that took place during that era and out of his boundless cruelty, had tons of innocent people shot for no reason regardless of where they were or their position in life. Being omnipotent, he was not dependent on information passed up from tens of thousands of subordinates.

11. Constantly attack ‘Communist’ regimes for actions that occur in capitalist regimes up to this very day.

12. Claim that Marxism is utopian because of its description of a possible future society. Alternately claim that Marxism failed because it never gave a detailed description of how a Communist society would look. Do not pay attention to the massive contradiction here.

13. Start referring to Marxism as being some kind of religious faith, Messianic, or whatever other spiritualist bullshit you can come up with. When people point out that you can draw similarities between virtually any political ideology and other religions, ignore them.

14. Remember the one-two anti-Communist attack: Attack the post-Stalin system on economic grounds, and claim it just doesn’t work. Since an informed opponent will most likely point out that actual socialist economics did indeed work during the Stalin era, and in fact worked very well, attack that era on human rights grounds.

15. Two words- Human nature. What is human nature? For your purposes, human nature is a quick explanation why political ideas or systems you don’t like are wrong.

16. Bolshevik revolutions were carried out with violence and bloodshed. Bourgeois revolutions were all carried out by democratic referendums, and there was no violence whatsoever.

17. Use words like ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’ constantly. Do not accept any challenge to define these terms.

18. Communists can be for or against whatever is popular in your particular area. If you are preaching to a right-wing crowd, Communists are for degeneration and homosexuality. If you are preaching to a more mainstream audience, Communists were homophobic. Essentially, Communists are for moral degeneration and puritanical prudery at the same time. Again, do not notice the contradiction.

19. Constantly flog Stalin over the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, while totally ignoring massive support and collaboration with Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan on the part of America, Britain, and France, long before the war and even after in some ways. As usual, do not allow your opponent to examine the context of the non-aggression pact.

20. Praise the newfound “freedom” of Eastern Europe. Ignore the massive depopulation via migration, plunging birthrates, huge alcohol and drug problems, political instability, civil wars, ethnic cleansing, sex trafficking and child prostitution, organized crime, high suicide rates, unemployment, disease, etc. Who cares about all that when you have freedom of speech?!

21. Constantly talk about the culture of fear in Communist nations, about that ‘knock on the door’ in the middle of the night. Ignore the ‘kick in your door in the middle of the night, stick a shotgun in your back, and haul your ass out of bed etc. because you are suspected of dealing,’ a normal occurrence in the American War on Drugs.

22. Attack Communists for suppression of religion. Attack Islamic fundamentalists for not being secular. What contradiction?!

23. Do not notice the irony that the US is currently fighting an incredibly expensive, losing war against an opponent which it funded, supported, and even handed its first victory in Afghanistan.

24. What should you say when confronted with all the continuing and often worsening problems in the world today, and asked for a solution? FREEDOM!! (Repeat as necessary until your opponent goes away)

25. Nothing from “Communists” can be trusted. Unless it somehow works in your favor, ala Khrushchev’s ‘Secret Speech’ from 1956, or anything Trotsky wrote.

26. Communist leaders were ‘paranoid’ for devoting so much time to security against counter-revolution. Ignore the mountains of evidence, including the restoration of capitalism in the East Bloc, that this threat was indeed real.

27. Communist regimes were never popular. If proof is presented in various cases to show otherwise, claim that the people were brainwashed. Make no effort to consider the budgetary and logistic constraints on such an undertaking.

28. Communist propaganda is crude and primitive. If someone mentions Red Dawn or worse, mentions the J. Edgar Hoover-endorsed comic book series known as The Godless Communists, run away.

29. Praise secularism in the name of ‘freedom’ and ‘pluralism’ until faced with a Communist. Then play the religion card.

30. Atrocities and other bad things that happen under non-Communist regimes are the fault of individual ‘bad people’. Anything bad that happens under a ‘Communist’ regime is the fault of the ideology and system. And Stalin.

31. Being an anti-Communist means not having to have any sort of ideological consistency whatsoever. Preach populist left-wing pseudo-socialism 90% of the time, and then compare the capitalist system to “Stalin’s Russia”(if you never really studied the subject, just read 1984 and Animal Farm). Bitch about capitalism 99% of the time, but balk when someone suggests Communism as an alternative. Far right wing Fascist? Constantly bitch about cultural degeneracy under capitalism, while remaining fanatically opposed to Marxism for no discernable reason save for your affinity for historic nationalism.

32. If you’re an anarchist, keep pointing out the ‘failure’ of Marxism while ignoring the fact that your ideology has a 100% failure rate throughout its entire history. Blame those failures on Communists, or stronger military powers. Ignore the fact that the most wonderful society is worthless if it can’t defend itself from reaction.

33. Neo-Nazi? Communism is Jewish!! Debate over.

34. Neo-Hippy? Tibet!

35. Constantly condemn the genocide that allegedly occurred under Mao, while ignoring the US’ relations with China established by Nixon, and the massive role capitalist China has played in the modern US economy. When you want to talk positively about China, it’s a capitalist country. If you need to criticize it, it’s still ‘Communist’.

36. Claim Marxism is not empirical. Neither are neo-liberalism, ‘democracy’, or ‘freedom’, but don’t worry about that.

37. Always insist that despite the location, country, historical era, past experience, and all other factors, Communists must want to recreate a modern-day copy of Stalin’s Russia, and all that entails according to you. Do not notice the inherent idiocy in this concept, such as your particular country being already industrialized, and not having a historical problem of severe backwardness.

38. Learn to use the magic word ‘totalitarian’. This word allows you to link two ideological opposites, Communism and Fascism.

39. Ignore the fact that socialist states experienced more economic problems parallel to the number of market reforms they made.

40. When challenged about numbers or historical context, resort to labels like “ruthless tyrant”, “cruel murderer”, and such. Remember, people like Stalin were mass-murderers because of all the people they killed, and we know they killed all those people because they were mass-murderers. It totally tracks!
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  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:06:10 #3
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 12:45 schreef -skippybal- het volgende:
Nee jongetje, blijf jij maar geloven in je gefaalde systeem
Hoezo, ik geloof toch niet in het kapitalistische systeem?
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 12:45 schreef -skippybal- het volgende:
Nee jongetje, blijf jij maar geloven in je gefaalde systeem
Dat is punt 1, 12 en misschien 32?

Als je nou iets meer toelichting geeft. Nou kan je niet met zekerheid zeggen of je wel een goede anti-communist bent.
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:06 schreef rood_verzet het volgende:

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Hoezo, ik geloof toch niet in het kapitalistische systeem?

!

En ja, ik ben een goede anti-communist
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  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:14:25 #6
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mooie lijst...
En nu? Waarom dacht je aan ons? (of hoe dacht je aan ons)
Vrouwen moeten niet zeiken over hun uiterlijk. Met hun innerlijk is veel meer mis.
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Ik moest bij 1 t/m 5 wel even grinniken. Maar George Orwell er op deze manier bij halen... Dan heb je zijn boodschappen niet echt gesnapt, denk ik dan.
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:09 schreef zuchtje het volgende:

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Dat is punt 1, 12 en misschien 32?
En maakt dat het minder waar soms?
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  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:16:48 #9
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:14 schreef kless het volgende:
mooie lijst...
En nu? Waarom dacht je aan ons? (of hoe dacht je aan ons)
Nouja 'aan jullie' is misschien iets te breed, maar wel zeker een hoop individuen hier, ik moest erg lachen want veel van de opgenoemde punten die zijn in discussies brachten komen in deze lijst letterlijk terug
  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:23:12 #10
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:16 schreef rood_verzet het volgende:

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Nouja 'aan jullie' is misschien iets te breed, maar wel zeker een hoop individuen hier, ik moest erg lachen want veel van de opgenoemde punten die zijn in discussies brachten komen in deze lijst letterlijk terug
Ohhh andere mensen niet serieus nemen... foei!!!

Het puntje van de lijst vind ik "de menselijke natuur" vind ik het sterkste punt.
Vrouwen moeten niet zeiken over hun uiterlijk. Met hun innerlijk is veel meer mis.
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  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:35:07 #11
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2. Remember, any unnatural death that occurs under a ‘Communist’ regime is not only attributable to the leaders of the state, but also Marxism as an ideology. Ignore deaths that occur for the same reason in non-Communist states.
Hier ben ik gestopt met lezen. Het is eigenlijk te walgelijk voor woorden wat hier staat en ook nog feitelijk onjuist. De doden die vallen onder communistische regimes zijn wel degelijk het gevolg van de ideologie. Het communisme is niet een mooie ideologie wat in de praktijk niet werk, het is volstrekt walgelijke en mensonterende ideologie dat in praktijk heeft bewezen een heel land kapot te maken. Mensen kunnen zich in het communisme namelijk niet meer beroepen op hun individuele (mensen)rechten maar worden onderdeel van het systeem. En wie niet in het systeem past, wordt uitgeschakeld. Je moet je kapot schamen dat jij, vanuit je decadente Westerse stoel, je schaart achter zo'n verrotte ideologie. Ga lekker in Noord-Korea wonen als je het hier niet naar je zin hebt, dan kom je er wel achter dat je makkelijk praten hebt.
  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:37:39 #12
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:35 schreef Heerlijkheid het volgende:

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Hier ben ik gestopt met lezen. Het is eigenlijk te walgelijk voor woorden wat hier staat en ook nog feitelijk onjuist. De doden die vallen onder communistische regimes zijn wel degelijk het gevolg van de ideologie. Het communisme is niet een mooie ideologie wat in de praktijk niet werk, het is volstrekt walgelijke en mensonterende ideologie dat in praktijk heeft bewezen een heel land kapot te maken. Mensen kunnen zich in het communisme namelijk niet meer beroepen op hun individuele (mensen)rechten maar worden onderdeel van het systeem. En wie niet in het systeem past, wordt uitgeschakeld. Je moet je kapot schamen dat jij, vanuit je decadente Westerse stoel, je schaart achter zo'n verrotte ideologie. Ga lekker in Noord-Korea wonen als je het hier niet naar je zin hebt, dan kom je er wel achter dat je makkelijk praten hebt.
Hehehe, ik zal als ik tijd heb eens wat punten opzoeken waar deze uitlating mee overeenkomt
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:14 schreef Toffe_Ellende het volgende:
Ik moest bij 1 t/m 5 wel even grinniken. Maar George Orwell er op deze manier bij halen... Dan heb je zijn boodschappen niet echt gesnapt, denk ik dan.
Daar ben ik ook afgehaakt inderdaad. Zeker gezien het feit dat TS op Fok! ook wel eens gepropageerd heeft dat het volledig terecht was dat 'dissidente elementen' gewoon weggestopt werden. (Meen dat het over Venezuela ging).
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  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:39:15 #14
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Communisme,Kapitalisme, Hindoeisme etc... feit is en blijft dat de westerse samenleving ondanks alles het minst slechtste van allemaal is..
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  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:39:39 #15
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:37 schreef rood_verzet het volgende:

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Hehehe, ik zal als ik tijd heb eens wat punten opzoeken waar deze uitlating mee overeenkomt

Begin dan bij het punt waarheid
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:37 schreef rood_verzet het volgende:

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Hehehe, ik zal als ik tijd heb eens wat punten opzoeken waar deze uitlating mee overeenkomt
Gewoon een lijstje met punten maken betekent niet dat ze terecht zijn. Als Nazi kun je ook wel een lijstje opstellen met hoe word ik een 'anti-nazi':
1) Lang niet alle joden zijn slecht
2) Eva Braun had Joodse voorouders
2) etc

Vervolgens verwijzen naar het lijstje als iemand zo'n argument aanhaalt om het argument te diskwalificeren is natuurlijk infantiel.
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  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:44:35 #17
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:37 schreef rood_verzet het volgende:

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Hehehe, ik zal als ik tijd heb eens wat punten opzoeken waar deze uitlating mee overeenkomt
Doe eens, maar betekent dat vervolgens dat ik ongelijk heb? Omdat mijn mening overeenkomt met andere uitlatingen? Wat is dit voor manier van redeneren?
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:39 schreef iSwets het volgende:
Communisme,Kapitalisme, Hindoeisme etc... feit is en blijft dat de westerse samenleving ondanks alles het minst slechtste van allemaal is..
is dit een rijtje zoals kat staat tot hond staat tot (WTF ) pin-da-kaas?
hij kan altijd nog bacardi gaan serveren in het cafe van Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:45:01 #19
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:42 schreef Monolith het volgende:

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Gewoon een lijstje met punten maken betekent niet dat ze terecht zijn. Als Nazi kun je ook wel een lijstje opstellen met hoe word ik een 'anti-nazi':
1) Lang niet alle joden zijn slecht
2) Eva Braun had Joodse voorouders
2) etc

Vervolgens verwijzen naar het lijstje als iemand zo'n argument aanhaalt om het argument te diskwalificeren is natuurlijk infantiel.
De twee punten die je aanhaalt zijn ook niet de mening van Nazi's. Maar als je eenzelfde lijstje kan maken die van dezelfde kwaliteit is voor nazi's als degene in de OP, be my guest
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:16 schreef rood_verzet het volgende:

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Nouja 'aan jullie' is misschien iets te breed, maar wel zeker een hoop individuen hier, ik moest erg lachen want veel van de opgenoemde punten die zijn in discussies brachten komen in deze lijst letterlijk terug
Veel wel ja, maar anderen zijn ook gruwelijk vergezocht.
Wat iig duidelijk is is dat de schrijver van de 40 punten zich nog dagelijks in slaap huilt om de teloorgang van zijn ideaal: het communisme. Het gros van zijn punten bestaat namelijk uit niets anders dan de door anti-communisten aangedragen punten niet weerleggen, maar zo verdraaien dat er voor hem iets positiefs uitkomt.
Succes ermee, maar communisme blijft kut!
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:42 schreef Monolith het volgende:

[..]

Gewoon een lijstje met punten maken betekent niet dat ze terecht zijn. Als Nazi kun je ook wel een lijstje opstellen met hoe word ik een 'anti-nazi':
1) Lang niet alle joden zijn slecht
2) Eva Braun had Joodse voorouders
2) etc

Vervolgens verwijzen naar het lijstje als iemand zo'n argument aanhaalt om het argument te diskwalificeren is natuurlijk infantiel.
Precies, dat bedoelde ik eerder ook. Te makkelijk voor woorden gewoon.
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  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:58:02 #22
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40 Helpful tips for Becoming a Successful Communist

1. Constantly insist that Capitalism, Liberalism and Socialdemocracy are discredited, outdated, and totally dead and buried. Then proceed to build a not-so-lucrative career on beating that supposedly ‘dead’ horse for the rest of your working life.

2. Remember, any unnatural death that occurs under Bush regime is not only attributable to the leaders of the state, but also Capitalism as an ideology. Ignore deaths that occur for the same reason in Communist states.

3. Communism or Marxism is whatever you want it to be. Feel free to label countries, movements, and regimes as ‘un-communist’ (i.e., Red Khmer Camodia) regardless of things like actual goals, stated ideology, diplomatic relations, economic policy, or property relations.

4. If there was a conflict involving Capitalists, the conflict and all ensuing deaths can be laid at the feet of Capitalism. Be careful when applying this to WWII. Stalinist movements who fought against the Nazis are fine, but try not to openly praise Stalin. Save that for private conversations if you must do so.

5. You decide what Marxism “really means”, and who the rightful representatives of Communism were. Pol Pot and Loekashenka are best to be ignored.

6. Constantly talk about George Orwell. Disregard Animal Farm or 1984. Do not worry about the fact that he fought against the Fascists in Spain and was betrayed by the communists, who effectively helped France by being rigid arseholes.

7. Ignore massive death tolls without regards to demographics or consistency. 3 million famine deaths? 7 million? 10 million? 100 million deaths total? You need not worry about any of these numbers, since they are *cough* neoliberal propaganda, even though all historians in the world agree.

8. Everyone ever arrested under a Communist regime was most likely guilty of any crime. Communists incarcerated in other parts of the world are never wrong and always innocent

9. Everything Stalin did or didn’t do can be justified. Everything.

10. Remember that Bush is an omnipotent being, perhaps an incarnation of the Hindu deity Vishnu, who had full awareness of everything going on in the world and total control over every occurrence which took place between 1999 and 2007. Everything that occurred during that time was the will of Bush. Bush knew the exact details of every criminal case that took place during that era and out of his boundless cruelty, had tons of innocent people incarcerated for no reason regardless of where they were or their position in life. Being omnipotent, he was not dependent on information passed up from tens of thousands of subordinates.

11. Constantly attack ‘Capitalist’ movements for actions that occur in social-democratic societies.

12. Claim that Marxism is beautiful because of its description of the perfect future society. Alternately claim that the USSR failed because they did tried to make the book work. Do not pay attention to the massive contradiction here.

13. Start referring to Capitalism as being some kind of religious faith, Messianic, or whatever other spiritualist bullshit you can come up with. When people point out that you can draw similarities between virtually any political ideology and other religions, ignore them.

14. Remember the one-two anti-Communist attack: Attack the post-Roosevelt system on economic grounds, and claim it just doesn’t work. Since an informed opponent will most likely point out that actual socialdemocratic economics did indeed work during the post-war era, and in fact worked very well, attack that era on rabid rigid ideological factors.

15. One word- injustice. What is injustice? For your purposes, injustice is a quick explanation why political ideas or systems you don’t like are wrong.

16. Bourgeois revolutions were carried out with violence and bloodshed. Bolsjevik revolutions were all carried out by democratic referendums, and there was no violence whatsoever.

17. Use words like ‘neoconservative’ and ‘oppression’ constantly. Do not accept any challenge to define these terms.

18. Communists can be whatever you like them to be. All good things are true, but all evil crimes against humanity are mere attempts at debunking Communism.

19. Constantly ignora what Stalin did, because "he won against Hitler". Ignore the fact that the US, Britain and Canada did so too. The capitalist countries did this to gain power, but Stalin did it for the Jewish children, of course.

20. Nothing is right in post-communist Eastern Europe. Ignore the massive surge in welfare, freedom of speech, travel, science, scholarship and environmentalism. Who cares about all that when you have purrty red logos everywhere?!

21. Constantly compare the culture of fear in Communist nations, that ‘knock on the door’ in the middle of the night to greedy pimp thugs being arrested for human trafficking and making money off of poor addicted bastards.

22. Attack Hirsi Ali for suppression of religion. Attack the US for not being secular. What contradiction?!

23. Do not notice the irony that the USSR constantly fought wars of ideology over the backs of *heh* minor races.

24. What should you say when confronted with all the continuing and often worsening problems in the world today, and asked for a solution? REVOLUTION, BLOODILY, AND GET RID OF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM!! (Repeat as necessary until your opponent goes away)

25. Nothing from “Americans” can be trusted. Unless it somehow works in your favor, ala the advocates working for the Abu Ghraib prisoners.

26. Communist leaders were divine, rainbowsprouting peoples. Ignore the fact that people wanted to get rid of the oppressive system all the time.

27. Communist regimes were very succesful and popular. The fact that you'd be brought to a Gulag if you said otherwise is totally irrelevant.

28. Everything antisemetic was only done by right-winged people. When the doctor complot is mentioned, just cover your ears, hum, and rock slowly back and forth.

29. Praise secularism in the name of 'an opiate for the people until faced with a Muslim. Then play the religion card.

30. Atrocities and other bad things that happen under Communist regimes are the fault of 'Capitalist propaganda’. Anything bad that happens under a ‘Capitalist’ regime is the fault of the ideology and system. And Bush.

31. Being a Communist means that everyone else, even socialists, are neoconservative liberal bastards, all he same, working for Evil and Revisionism. Do not listen to arguments, just keep calling the Revisionists, that'll teach 'em.

32. If all else fails, kick down on the anarchist. The track record of your ideology is not that good, but anarchists are always worse off. Learn how to kick like a corporative swine!

33. Stalinist? Everything you say is a lie!! Debate over.

34. Fidel-Castroist? Health care and infant mortality rates!!!!

35. Constantly condemn the genocide that took place in the Vietnam war, while ignoring Mao's relations with China established by Nixon, and the USSR by Reagan.

36. Claim neoliberalism is not sustainable. Neither are Stalinism and Maoism but don’t worry about that.

37. Always insist that despite past experience, and all other factors, Communists want to recreate a modern-day utopia that WILL WORK THIS TIME!!!

38. Learn to use the magic word ‘revisionism’. This word allows you to link two ideological opposites, liberalism and democratic socialism.

39. Always mention the pre-war economic boom of the USSR. Ignore the miners and farmers being exploited and dying by the dozens.

40. When challenged about numbers or historical context, resort to labels like “propaganda”, “capitalist lies”, and such. All historians in the world are, of course, conspiring against you by publishing well studied facts about the Great Leaders. Lies, lies, lies, trying to keep us down in a vast conspiracy, comrade!
  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 13:58:27 #23
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7. Quote massive death tolls without regards to demographics or consistency. 3 million famine deaths? 7 million? 10 million? 100 million deaths total? You need not worry about anyone checking your work, which is good for you seeing that you probably haven’t done any.
Ik meen me te herinneren dat R_V inderdaad boekenkasten vol historisch onderzoek naar dodenaantallen ten tijde van de Sovjet Unie afdeed met een enkel demografisch statistiekje.

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  woensdag 12 september 2007 @ 14:09:55 #25
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Op woensdag 12 september 2007 13:58 schreef Floripas het volgende:
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