[Centraal] Pro-Wrestling topic #20

Ik heb net RAW gekeken en ben vrij sprakeloos..

het enige wat ik er nu nog over kwijt wil is dat hoe je het ook draait (ALS de berichten waar zijn) heeft Chris Benoit iets verschrikkelijks gedaan. Ik ben het dan ook volledig met Edge eens, geweldige wrestler en alom daarvoor gerespecteerd. Maar ik snap dit soort dingen ook niet, heel sociaal al die jaren, nooit problemen vooroorzaken en dan zoiets onbegrijpelijks doen..

Tjah dat is toch vaak met familie drama's.. vaak niks aan het handje.. en dan *poef* alles weg..

lol, luister net bbc radio 1 hoor ik een jingle met King booker

ingeschakeld en afwachten

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Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 21:08 schreef The-Brahma-Bull het volgende:
Ziet de hele tijd wat mensen voor het huis lopen. Ze moesten om 3 uur beginnen (10 minuten geleden dus).

Het gaat beginnen.

Voorlopige conclusie:
- Double-murder en daarna zelfmoord gepleegd.

- Hij had zijn vrouw vastgebonden aan handen en voeten
- Zoon vermoord in bed.

[ Bericht 10% gewijzigd door PirE op 26-06-2007 21:27:09 ]

Benoit heeft dus zijn vrouw dood geslagen (er was bloed) en zijn zoontje had die een kussen op hem gelegt, en een paar uur erna zelfmoord gepleegt, er was geen zelfmoord note gevonden

Zonde dat dit zo moest gebeuren

En hij was ws al bekend met huiselijk geweld..

Er zaten toch wel uren tussen? Vrijdag de vrouw, zaterdag kind en zondag benoit.. ohh nu chris op zaterdag ook..

Verschil in dood tussen vrouw en kind, vrouw vrijdag middag/avond, kind zaterdag ochtend.

Benoit zelf middennacht.

hmm naast de vrouw en kind een bijbel gevonden..

Enige vraag is motief, enige wat ik me kan bedenken is dat hij volledig doorgedraaid is door één of andere 'trigger'. Wel erg triest dat dit is gebeurt en het gaat zeker wat vragen bij de wwe teweeg brengen over veiligheid en long term gevolgen van 12312323x op je kop vallen per jaar.

mmm vreemd

Vanmiddag stond er ook nog een mededeling op de TNA site aangaande de dood van CB... Alles is nu weggehaald...

Ik had altijd groot respect voor de worstelaar CB, vanuit Japan en zeker ook de WCW en als lid van de IV Horsemen tot aan zijn overwinning in de Royal Rumble en de World Title...

Jammer dat het zo moet eindigen...

samenvattend :

- Benoit’s wife Nancy was murdered Friday by asphyxiation. She was in the office area of the house, dead, for close to a day

- Benoit’s son Daniel was murdered Saturday by asphyxiation. Daniel was confirmed to be in his bed when law enforcement officials found him.

- Chris Benoit committed suicide late Saturday early Sunday. No type of suicide note or anything in the house was located.

- Authorities are still waiting further results from crime lab and toxicology reports which could take several weeks to get back.

- Only one prior arrest of Chris Benoit is known. It was allegedly for a DUI, but nothing can be confirmed. There is no knowledge at this time if there was a history of domestic violence with Chris Benoit. It was also not know whether or not a divorce had been filed.

- Lots of prescription medications found in Benoit’s house that police believe to be illegal prescriptions at this time. However, he then said that police found anabolic steroids but would not say what all they found without a full list.

Police would not release a motive at this time.

- Law enforcement officials reported that Benoit text messaged a co-worker, which was received several hours after it was sent; contents of the message were not revealed. It was also not confirmed who the message was sent too, other than a co-worker.

- Steroids were not directly related to any of the deaths, police are unable to answer what Chris Benoit’s state of mind was during the killings.

District Attorney Scott Ballard:

- Bibles found by both victims, Nancy and Daniel Benoit.

- Nancy was found with her wrist and feet bound, she was on her feet, with blood under her head. That was the only sign of a struggle (the blood under her head). She was wrapped in a towel.

- Both victims were found clothed.

- Ballard said that he was told in 2003 a temporary protective order was sought and later dismissed. Ballard said that orders are typically for domestic violence, but not always.

- Ballard said that he is baffled why anyone would kill a 7 year old kid, but has no idea of the motive.

- Ballard said that there was no evidence that Chris Benoit was trying to hide the bodies. It is unknown if the Benoits have family in the area but they do have other family.

- Ballard said that he is not aware of any 911 calls and he has not personally talked to World Wrestling Entertainment.

- The three bodies were found in three different rooms, according to DA Ballard.

- Daniel Benoit’s body was found in his bed in his upstairs bedroom.

- Nancy Benoit’s body was in what looked to be in a family room upstairs.

- Chris Benoit’s body was found downstairs in the house in a weight room. Benoit was hung by a cord attached to a pulley used in weight lifting.

- Nothing further is known about the family emergency that Chris Benoit told WWE that he had to deal with.

- The next step in the investigation will be the toxicology reports. At this point, they are pretty clear it was a murder-suicide. Authorities need to get toxicology reports back to draw a firm confusion. Steroids were found but authorities can’t confirm he was on steroids. It could take several weeks to get toxicology reports.

- Ballard confirms that Bibles were found by each of the two victims, he did not know if they were identical or opened.

END PRESS CONFEREN

Gezellig allemaal
Ik hoorde het vanmorgen van een vriend vanme die op diy momeny in Canada verblijft.

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Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 16:56 schreef JoeRokocoko het volgende:

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Goed dat ze de merchandise hebben weggehaald, zo wek je tenminste niet de indruk geld te willen verdienen met zijn dood.

Dat heeft er geen reet mee te maken. Ze vonden het geen enkel probleem om de dood van Eddie flink uit te melken. Ze willen hem het liefst uit hun geschiedenis wissen omdat dit enorme gevolgen kan hebben voor de WWE. Al het negatief nieuws, steroids, zware pijnstillers etc etc etc.

Stel je voor wat er zou gebeuren als berichten in de pers zouden komen mbt tot verslaving aan zware pijnstillers, langdurig steroid gebruik, de stress van altijd maar reizen en onderweg. Dat zou de WWE flink beschadigen.

[ Bericht 7% gewijzigd door Unstoppable op 27-06-2007 01:37:04 ]

Ik begrijp je helemaal.

Ik volg dat WWE niet allemaal meer zo (geen idee op welk kanaal het komt ) , maar is die kale er nog interview figuur er nog ? (mean Gene of zoiets)

TVWeek.com is reporting that WWE Head Vince McMahon will appear on tonight's ECW on Sci Fi Broadcast to address the Chris Benoit tragedy and offer a public apology for the company's three hour tribute to Chris Benoit, which aired live last night before the company is believed to have learned the details of the circumstances behind the deaths of Benoit and his family.

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[ Bericht 14% gewijzigd door roepdeman op 27-06-2007 01:57:46 ]

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In an interview with ESPN.com, Fayetteville, Georgia District Attorney Scott Ballard revealed new information on two text messages that Chris Benoit sent to Chavo Guerrero over the weekend. In the first message, Benoit told Guerrero that Nancy and Daniel Benoit were both sick. It is believed that Benoit sent this message after he had already killed both Nancy and Daniel. In the second message, Benoit told Guerrero that the gates to his house were open and that dogs were outside. It is believed that he sent the second message as a way of making sure the bodies were all found after his suicide.

Even more shocking is that Benoit's son, Daniel, was apparently found with needle marks in his arm. According to Ballard, the boy was being given Human Growth Hormones because the family thought he was undersized

source: 411mania.com

Volgens ESPN zou dat tweede bericht verzonden zijn naar een buurman, niet naar Chvo Guerrero.

[ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door Unstoppable op 27-06-2007 02:03:08 ]

Wat een kuttopic-titel.

RIP voor iemand die zijn vrouw en 7-jarig zoontje wurgt?

Mocht er iets zijn na de dood dan gun je zo iemand toch geen Peace???

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Op woensdag 27 juni 2007 06:08 schreef fanneke het volgende:
Wat een kuttopic-titel.

RIP voor iemand die zijn vrouw en 7-jarig zoontje wurgt?

Mocht er iets zijn na de dood dan gun je zo iemand toch geen Peace???

dat was toen nog niet bekend. Anders laat je hem wijzigen door een mod?

ok...de feiten komen langzaam naar buiten...hij was dus gewoon gek . Hij denkt sinds vorig jaar dat ie gestalkt werd en liet zn vrouw het huis niet uitgaan, legt Bijbels naast ze neer terwijl hij niet gelovig was en helemaal niet in religie geloofde, zn zoon had naaldwonden op zn arm (kan door zn ziekte komen)...het is allemaal een beetje surrealistisch

Bob Ryder at 1wrestling.com recently spoke with close friends and confidants of Chris Benoit, there were apparently warning signs that something was wrong with Benoit. One person who wanted to remain nameless said:

"This wasn't roid rage, this was insanity. Roid rage doesn't last for 48 hours. There were signs that something was wrong. Stories have emerged that a year ago he became paranoid and believed he was being followed. He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them."

“Chris hated religion. He didn't believe in it. I cannot comprehend him putting bibles by the bodies. I am shocked.”

In addition to this 1wrestling.com also learned that Nancy Benoit had a safety deposit box with evidence of past rages. She set it up that if anything should happen to her, authorities would be able to check the box

Ik denk echt dat de dood van Eddie heel veel gevolgen heeft gehad voor Benoit, er zijn al meerdere verhalen bekend dat Eddie degene was die Benoit in toom hield en dat dat zn vertrouwenspersoon was

Professionele worstelaar moordt eigen gezin uit

En overal word de nadruk gelegd op de Steroiden...*zucht* as i said...the shit has hit the fan.

Trouwens het zegt mij genoeg dat Vince voor ECW zei dat ze zijn naam niet zouden noemen...het grootste wat mij opviel was dat hij hem aansprak met MR. Benoit..... heel erg zakelijk

De WWE reageert hier echt heel goed op, ik denk niet dat ze het beter hadden kunnen behandelen

De Telegraaf maakt nu ook melding van het drama:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)ezin_uit.html?p=17,2

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Op woensdag 27 juni 2007 01:01 schreef Unstoppable het volgende:

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Dat heeft er geen reet mee te maken. Ze vonden het geen enkel probleem om de dood van Eddie flink uit te melken. Ze willen hem het liefst uit hun geschiedenis wissen omdat dit enorme gevolgen kan hebben voor de WWE. Al het negatief nieuws, steroids, zware pijnstillers etc etc etc.

Stel je voor wat er zou gebeuren als berichten in de pers zouden komen mbt tot verslaving aan zware pijnstillers, langdurig steroid gebruik, de stress van altijd maar reizen en onderweg. Dat zou de WWE flink beschadigen.

Als je al m'n latere posts had gelezen dan had je geweten dat ik op dat bericht was terug gekomen.

de eerste Photoshops komen ook al binnen op verschillende fora

Daniel had dus ook een ziekte (dacht ik al aan z'n hoofd te zien), waar Chris het moeilijk mee had

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Op woensdag 27 juni 2007 09:40 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:
de eerste Photoshops komen ook al binnen op verschillende fora

Verassend

Weet je wat raar zou zijn? Als de politie Benoit had opgepakt i.p.v. dat hij zelfmoord had gepleegd. Wellicht had hij dan de doodstraf gekregen, want die hebben ze in Georgia. Maar goed, dat is een scenario waar we niet bij stil hoeven te staan.

Is het trouwens in de VS mogelijk om postuum te worden veroordeeld voor moord?

Benoit mag van mij lekker branden in de hel, ik had veel respect voor hem maar nu niet meer.

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Op woensdag 27 juni 2007 10:24 schreef AY het volgende:
Benoit mag van mij lekker branden in de hel, ik had veel respect voor hem maar nu niet meer.

Het is dat ik niet in een hel of hemel geloof, maar anders.

Kijk, dat je zelfmoord pleegt kan ik soms tot op zekere hoogte wel begrijpen, maar dat je kan ook je vrouw en kind daarin moet meenemen, daar kan ik met m'n verstand niet bij.

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[ Bericht 79% gewijzigd door pfaf op 27-06-2007 13:42:08 ]

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Op woensdag 27 juni 2007 10:47 schreef nuldertien.net het volgende:

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Detailed WWE/Benoit timeline
Written: June 26, 2007
Below is a detailed WWE/Chris Benoit timeline from Saturday to Monday:

Saturday, June 23, 2007

Chris Benoit was scheduled to appear at the WWE SmackDown/ ECW live event in
Beaumont, Texas

3:30pm
A co-worker received a voice message from Benoit. The message from Benoit
stated he missed his flight and over slept and would be late to the WWE Live
Event. The co-worker called Benoit back, Benoit confirmed everything he said
in his voice message and sounded tired and groggy. Benoit then stated, "I
love you". The co-worker stated that it was "out of context."

3:42pm
The same co-worker was concerned with Benoit's tone and demeanor and called
Benoit for a second time. Benoit did not answer the call and the co-worker
left a message stating "just call me back."

3:44pm
Benoit called the co-worker back stating he didn't answer the call because
he was on the phone with Delta changing his flight. Benoit stated he had a
real stressful day due to Nancy and Daniel being sick with food poisoning.
They discussed travel plans for the WWE Tour of Texas with Benoit still
sounding groggy at this point according to the co-worker.

4:30pm
A co-worker who consistently travels with Benoit, called Benoit from outside
Houston airport and Benoit answered. Benoit told the co-worker that Nancy
was throwing up blood and that Daniel was also throwing up. Benoit thought
they had food poisoning. Benoit stated he changed his flight and he would be
arriving into Houston at 6:30pm. Benoit told the co-worker to drive onto the
WWE event.

5:35pm
Benoit called WWE Talent Relations stating that his son was throwing up and
that he and Nancy were in the hospital with their son, and that Benoit would
be taking a later flight into Houston, landing late, but would make the WWE
live event in Beaumont.

6:10pm
A representative of Talent Relations called Benoit. The representative from
Talent Relations asked Benoit what time Benoit was getting into Beaumont.
Benoit responded he was leaving Atlanta at 9:20pm Eastern time arriving into
Houston at 9:24pm Central time. The representative from Talent Relations
advised Benoit that it would be too late to make the WWE live event in
Beaumont. Benoit apologized citing he had a family emergency. The
representative from Talent Relations suggested to Benoit that instead of
going to the WWE live event in Beaumont, Benoit should take the flight to
Houston, rest up and be ready for the Vengeance Pay-Per-View event.

6:13pm
The representative from Talent Relations called Benoit to reconfirm the
travel plans with no answer from Benoit. The representative from Talent
Relations left a voice message to take the flight and rest up.

Sunday, June 24, 2007

Text messages sent to co-workers from Chris Benoit and Nancy Benoit's cell
phones:

Text Message 1
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit
the day before)
From: Benoit's cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am from
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville
Georgia. 30215

Text Message 2
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit
the day before)
From: Benoit's cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am
Message: The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open

Text Message 3
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit
the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit's cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:54am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville
Georgia. 30215

Text Message 4
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit
the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit's cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:55am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville
Georgia. 30215

Text Message 5
Sent to: A Co-Worker who consistently traveled with Benoit
From: Nancy Benoit's cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:58am
Message: My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215

WWE made several attempts to contact Benoit via phone and text messages, as
well as, the local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11:00 pm Sunday
night there was no contact made with Benoit.

Monday, June 25, 2007

12:30pm
WWE was notified of text messages sent to the two co-workers.

12:45pm
WWE contacted the Fayetteville County Sheriff's office and requested them to
go to Benoit's
residence

4:00pm
WWE received a call from the Fayetteville County Sheriff's office, advising
that they entered
the house of Benoit and found 3 deceased bodies (a male, a female and a
child). The Fayette County Sheriff's office has secured the house as a
"major crime scene" and that the Fayette County Sheriff's Office had no
further information.

Net de Metro opengeslagen, stond het ook in.

Wat is dat trouwens, alle worstelaars die ik cool vindt gaan dood... Owen Hart, Eddie Guerrero... Nu weer Benoit...


En de manier waarop... Alle respect die ik voor de rabid wolverine had is weg

[ Bericht 31% gewijzigd door Big_Poppa op 27-06-2007 11:50:36 ]

Wat een lafaard

Tjeez.

dit is een collumn die ik tegenkwam...en het geeft precies mn gevoelens weer over waarom dit zon grote impact kan hebben op de worstelwereld

This story may only generate a bit of morbid curiosity for non-wrestling fans, an excuse for the media to make noise about Steroids altough the timing and manner of the deaths clearly point to cold meditation and not "roids" rages. However, for wrestling fans, at least the hardcore ones, this is the equivalent as if it had happened to the NBA when Michael Jordan was an active player. Could the NBA have survived such scandal? would the industry of professional wrestling survive this?

It is impossible to explain to a non-fan what Benoit represented to wrestling, but I'll try... Wrestling is a form of art in which is a story is scripted in a way such that it has to climax in an in-ring confrontation in which 2 or more men simulate a fight for the entertainment of the audience. To master the art of simulating this fights in a manner that satisfies a highly demanding fandom requires extreme amounts of Athletic Ability, to do it again and again, requires almost super-human resileance.

Benoit was the absolute master of this art. However, he was not normally held in the higuest regard by wrestling promoters. He lacked the size, charisma and looks wrestling promoters considered were required for a wrestler to be a commercial success. During an earlier time on his carreer, odds turned even more against benoit when he hooked up with Nancy (at the time) Sullivan, the wife of Kevin Sullivan the man in charge of booking in the promotion Benoit worked for.

While stealing other mans wife is not the most respectable thing. Benoit gave his most and gained fans by the hour with his incredible in-ring showings even tough he was being written in a way where making he a star was, obviously, not the goal. His fight to shine, even against management wishes, seemed just heroic and make him a favorite among the hardcore fans who follow the insides of the industry.

The Climax of Chris Benoit career was reached on Wrestlemania XX, Chris Benoit was booked to win the World Title, the biggest award in the industry, in the biggest show. Then, the title was held by Triple H, a man who is married to the Daugther of WWE owner and who many feel was just written as the Star because of that connection.

Many wrestling fans, myself included, were geniunely moved when Benoit won the Title last night. Not Because of the Good guy vs. Bad Guy story scripted by WWE writers. But because a corporation had chosen to honor for being the best at what he did the man who didn't kiss ass, who had not family connections and who lacked the size and looks over the man who had been an undeserving champion for too long because the company loved him and had family connections.

It was more, it was also the victory of every fan who ever wrote to WWE complaining about their product, of every fan who chose to cheer or boo wrestlers not because of how their characters are writting but because of how he/she respects their performance. When Benoit and Guerrero Celebrated in that ring It as if for one night the corporation accepted that we know what we want better than they do. No women being objetified for no reason, no silly comedy, no huge guys, no muscle freaks. Just 2 guys who worked hard and were great at wht they did.

Now we have to deal with the fact that that man that meant so much to us is a murderer, some are in denial, some want to put the blame on Steroids. But the reality is that all points out to this being Benoit's fault and no one else.

How does an industry move on if their greatest is considered a murderer...

The WWE is attempting to erase Benoit from Wrestling History... all merchandise relating his persona has been pulled from the market.

If Michael Jordan had killed his wife that would still not take his championship rings or his records from him, he would stil have his place in Basketball history books.

However as Wrestling is not a sport but a performing art... it is all about perception, if fans stop listing Benoit when talking about the greatest in the industry, When they stop ranking their matchest among the best... It would be the same as if no Chirs Benoit had existed in wrestling...

However, it escapes me how can one objectively discuss wrestlign and leave Chris Benoit out... Erasing Chris Benoit from history will also retcon several of the great moments in wrestlings... How can a Highlight reel about Wrestlemania or the late Eddie Guerrero be done without showing the image of him hugging Benoit at Wrestlemania XX... How can Owen Hart be discussed without remembering the match Benoit had with his brother Bret in his tribute... How could Kurt Angle carreer be remembered without talking to his best match ever which was vs. Crhis Benoit.

You can not offer tribue to a murderer, but you can not objectively talk about wrestling and not talk Chris Benoit.....

More importantly, how can fans ever again be so emotionally involved in wrestling. We were overconfident on our ability to separate reality for fantasy. Are we so sure now that C.M. Punk has never used drugs. Are we so adamant to complain about John Cena's 5 moves of doom now since the men we consider more worthy of his title may be horrible persons too..

This would not only impact WWE ,who would suffer the most from this would be the small indy companies that depend on the aformentioned hardcore wrestling fans... Can R.O.H a promotion that thrives on the respect of fans for thecnical wrestling skills of his performers be the same after the man who representend Technical wrestling above all has been exposed as murderer...

This are all tough questions, the Wrestling industry may survie in some fashion, but I'm afraid it would never be the same.

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