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WoW daar heb ik nog nooit van gehoort, een beetje als het vreemdeingen legioen in Frankrijk?quote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 02:01 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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De huurlingen bedoelt hij denk ik. Private bedrijven die op contract voor de regering werken.
Blackwater is een van de groten.
Inmiddels zijn er zelfs meer contractors dan soldaten in Irak.
Contractor numbers outstrip US troops
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En er is idd veel minder controle op wat zij precies uitvreten.
Dan is de vraag aan welke wetten zij zich moeten houden, het zijn immmers geen officiele US soldaten.
Rare zaak!
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Het vreemdelingenlegioen valt nog gewoon onder de Franse regering.quote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 02:13 schreef Mr_Memory het volgende:
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WoW daar heb ik nog nooit van gehoort, een beetje als het vreemdeingen legioen in Frankrijk?
Dan is de vraag aan welke wetten zij zich moeten houden, het zijn immmers geen officiele US soldaten.
Rare zaak!
Nee dit zijn echt gewoon huurlingen.
Dat Blackwater is geloof ik opgericht door een ex-marinier. Het heeft ook veel ex-soldaten in dienst (mensen die waarschijnlijk verslaaft zijn aan het leventje). Ze hebben hun eigen "basis" in de VS, met trainingskampen en verzorgen hun eigen materiaal tot en met helicopters en gepanserde wagens aan toe.
De Amerikaanse regering kan ze dan onder contract inhuren voor een bepaalde opdracht, hence de naam contractors. (in de westerse media zul je mercenary of huurling nauwelijks tegenkomen).
Het klopt dat ze eigenlijk geen status hebben. Dat maakt het nog schimmiger wat ze precies uitvreten. Niemand hoeft eigenlijk verantwoording af te leggen.
De reputatie van huurlingen was vroeger zo dat het gebruikelijk was dat ze direct afgemaakt werden als ze door de vijand gepakt werden. In tegenstelling tot soldaten die krijgsgevangen werden en konden worden geruild ed. Niet voor niks dat ze door iedereen gehaat werden imo.
Die lui die destijds in Fallujah aan een brug werden opgehangen waren ook contractors.
Ja he hallo, als je op dit forum zegt dat je begrijpt waarom sommige palestijnen israeliers vermoorden dan wordt je uitgekotst door half FoK (laat staan dat je zegt respect te hebben voor hoe de terroristische palastijnen met de situatie omgaan), terwijl het dezelfde situatie is; Ze willer er niet zijn, familie/vrienden worden vermoord, etc...quote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 01:35 schreef Aasgier het volgende:
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Ze lopen de hele tijd op hun tenen, maten van hun gaan dood.
Op een gegevenmoment zie je overal de vijand en schiet je met het geringste gevaar, vooral omdat je geen normale vijand hebt, maar vijanden die eruit zien als burgers en die dus ook tussen de burgers zit.
En dan kan je je afvragen of het nog wel zin heeft om daar te zijn.
Nederlandse militairen gaan anders te werk, misschien weer iets te soft maar met hoe de amerikanen vechten krijg je volgens mij alleen maar meer zooi.
Opzich kan je het ze niet kwalijk nemen, zo zijn ze getraind en ze krijgen ook maar orders moet je maar denken.
Dus persoonlijk spreek ik hun er niet op aan maar meer op de leiding dus van het amerikaanse leger. Verder heb je ook nog veel van die ''private soldiers'', die zijn volgens mij nog erger.
Maar ja dat is wel weer handig, want als die dood gaan komen die niet op de lijst van ''gesneuvelde amerikaanse soldaten''.
Nogal wiedes. De palestijnen zijn de slechten, en de amerikanen (en de israeli's) zijn de goeden. Simpel toch?quote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 10:54 schreef Xith het volgende:
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Ja he hallo, als je op dit forum zegt dat je begrijpt waarom sommige palestijnen israeliers vermoorden dan wordt je uitgekotst door half FoK (laat staan dat je zegt respect te hebben voor hoe de terroristische palastijnen met de situatie omgaan), terwijl het dezelfde situatie is; Ze willer er niet zijn, familie/vrienden worden vermoord, etc...
I'm trying to make the 'net' a kinder, gentler place. One where you could bring the fuckin' children.
Sunni Insurgent Leader Paints Iran as 'Real Enemy'
U.S. Strategy Described as Only Inflaming Iraqi Resistance
BAGHDAD -- He wore a pale yellow dress shirt and black-rimmed glasses that lost their tint when he entered the dark lobby of a Baghdad hotel. He drank orange soda and refused a cigarette. His face was tense, but he spoke in a calm, open way about the satisfaction of killing Shiites with his own hands
Over the course of a 90-minute interview, a leader of an armed Sunni group in western Baghdad described his hatred for Iran and the current Iraqi government, while outlining the dimensions of an armed insurgency that extends well beyond al-Qaeda in Iraq, the organization that U.S. officials routinely identify as their central enemy.
Abu Sarhan, as the 37-year-old insurgent wished to be known, said Iraq's Sunnis are deep into an entrenched and irresolvable civil war against Iranian-backed Shiites. He said the premise of the U.S. military's counterinsurgency strategy -- deploying thousands of soldiers in small outposts in violent neighborhoods -- only inflames the insurgency and prompts attacks against the Americans.
U.S. Strategy Described as Only Inflaming Iraqi Resistance
BAGHDAD -- He wore a pale yellow dress shirt and black-rimmed glasses that lost their tint when he entered the dark lobby of a Baghdad hotel. He drank orange soda and refused a cigarette. His face was tense, but he spoke in a calm, open way about the satisfaction of killing Shiites with his own hands
Over the course of a 90-minute interview, a leader of an armed Sunni group in western Baghdad described his hatred for Iran and the current Iraqi government, while outlining the dimensions of an armed insurgency that extends well beyond al-Qaeda in Iraq, the organization that U.S. officials routinely identify as their central enemy.
Abu Sarhan, as the 37-year-old insurgent wished to be known, said Iraq's Sunnis are deep into an entrenched and irresolvable civil war against Iranian-backed Shiites. He said the premise of the U.S. military's counterinsurgency strategy -- deploying thousands of soldiers in small outposts in violent neighborhoods -- only inflames the insurgency and prompts attacks against the Americans.
De Irakese regering wil zelf liever dat de amerikanen weg gaan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/a(...)1hLAvCTPW.vjPZ2s0NUE
De minister-president:
Nouri al-Maliki shrugged off U.S. doubts of his government's military and political progress on Saturday, saying Iraqi forces are capable and American troops can leave "any time they want."
''He sharply criticized the U.S. military, saying it was committing human rights violations and embarrassing the Iraqi government through such tactics as building a wall around Baghdad's Sunni neighborhood of Azamiyah and launching repeated raids on suspected Shiite militiamen in the capital's slum of Sadr City.
He also criticized U.S. overtures to Sunni groups in Anbar and Diyala provinces, encouraging former insurgents to join the fight against al-Qaida in Iraq. "These are gangs of killers," he said.
In addition, he said that al-Maliki has problems with the top U.S. commander, Gen. David Petraeus, who he said works along a "purely American vision."
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Die ''gangs of killers'' zijn volgens mij, als ik het goed lees die ''huurlingen'' die de amerikaanse regering via private companies gebruikt in Irak?
[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door Aasgier op 16-07-2007 11:33:57 ]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/a(...)1hLAvCTPW.vjPZ2s0NUE
De minister-president:
Nouri al-Maliki shrugged off U.S. doubts of his government's military and political progress on Saturday, saying Iraqi forces are capable and American troops can leave "any time they want."
''He sharply criticized the U.S. military, saying it was committing human rights violations and embarrassing the Iraqi government through such tactics as building a wall around Baghdad's Sunni neighborhood of Azamiyah and launching repeated raids on suspected Shiite militiamen in the capital's slum of Sadr City.
He also criticized U.S. overtures to Sunni groups in Anbar and Diyala provinces, encouraging former insurgents to join the fight against al-Qaida in Iraq. "These are gangs of killers," he said.
In addition, he said that al-Maliki has problems with the top U.S. commander, Gen. David Petraeus, who he said works along a "purely American vision."
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Die ''gangs of killers'' zijn volgens mij, als ik het goed lees die ''huurlingen'' die de amerikaanse regering via private companies gebruikt in Irak?
[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door Aasgier op 16-07-2007 11:33:57 ]
Ja inderdaad (had ik dus niet goed gelezen). Maar daar werken de amerikanen dus mee samen om de terroristen te bevechten en dat vindt de irakese regering niet echt tof.quote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 11:35 schreef GreyHeron het volgende:
Hij bedoeldt het Sahwat Al-Anbar denk ik.
Omdat er onderling zeer veel spanningen zijn in die organisatie. De ene vind het samenwerken met de Amerikanen te veel, de andere wil geen soennieten meer vermoorden, de andere dit en dat enz. En omdat er veel negeatief nieuws is over hun in de media;
Hun Emir Abu Risha zou met 75 miljoen dollar naar Jordanie zijn gevlucht
http://www.almalaf.net/more.asp?ID=37298
Ali Hatem Ali Suleiman, 35, a leader of the Dulaim confederation, the largest tribal organization in Anbar, said that the Anbar Salvation Council would be dissolved because of growing internal dissatisfaction over its cooperation with U.S. soldiers and the behavior of the council's most prominent member, Abdul Sattar Abu Risha. Suleiman called Abu Risha a "traitor" who "sells his beliefs, his religion and his people for money."
En dit soort berichten zijn ook niet echt positief.
Hun Emir Abu Risha zou met 75 miljoen dollar naar Jordanie zijn gevlucht
http://www.almalaf.net/more.asp?ID=37298
Ali Hatem Ali Suleiman, 35, a leader of the Dulaim confederation, the largest tribal organization in Anbar, said that the Anbar Salvation Council would be dissolved because of growing internal dissatisfaction over its cooperation with U.S. soldiers and the behavior of the council's most prominent member, Abdul Sattar Abu Risha. Suleiman called Abu Risha a "traitor" who "sells his beliefs, his religion and his people for money."
En dit soort berichten zijn ook niet echt positief.
Maar waarom Al-Maliki dat niet steunt is toch vreemd, hij zou er blij mee moeten zijn, want zijn eigen leger kan Al-Qaida niet onder controle houden, en de ASC is dit in delen van Anbar en Diyala wel (deels) gelukt.
http://bobgeiger.blogspot(...)-into-all-night.htmlquote:Reid To Force Senate Into All-Night Session Tuesday
Forcing his Republican colleagues to put up or shut up on the notion of an up-or-down vote, Senate Majority leader Harry Reid (D-NV) just moments ago announced that he will immediately file a cloture motion on the Reed-Levin troop redeployment bill and, if Republicans follow through with a filibuster, will place the Senate in a prolonged all-night session Tuesday to force a true continuation of debate.
"Now, Republicans are using a filibuster to block us from even voting on an amendment that could bring the war to a responsible end," said Reid. "They are protecting the President rather than protecting our troops. They are denying us an up or down – yes or no – vote on the most important issue our country faces."
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070716/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestunicef&printer=1;_ylt=ApJyFkl5kflh8gmiAscIt1qbOrgFquote:Conditions for Iraqi children worsen sharply: UNICEF
Mon Jul 16, 2:56 PM ET
Conditions for children in Iraq have deteriorated sharply in recent years as their humanitarian plight has fallen largely into neglect, a senior UNICEF official said Monday.
"I have no doubt whatsoever that the condition today is much worse," Dan Toole, acting deputy executive director of the UN Children's Fund, told journalists after being asked for a comparison with the situation under Saddam Hussein's regime.
"Children who have had to flee Iraq -- and millions have fled -- are much worse off than a year ago and they certainly are much worse off than they were three years ago," he added.
Toole said there were signs that the health and nutrition for Iraqi children was "changing for the worst", despite recently released two-year-old indicators that had shown signs of an improvement.
UNICEF said the information gleaned from people leaving Iraq, and from the agency's "quite limited" access within the country, indicated that the number of female-headed households has increased "dramatically" because mostly men have been killed in the violence there.
"Many of those women are too frightened to bring their children to health clinics, many are too frightened to send their children to school," he added
Only two-thirds of Iraqis have access to clean water, according to UNICEF.
"My concern is that the focus on Iraq is on the political situation, the security situation, it is not on the lives of Iraqis living day in, day out, with deprivation, with lack of food, with lack of medical supplies," he said.
"That says something about the attention of the world, the attention of our leaders," Toole added, urging a greater focus on the impact on children.
UNICEF says its aid programmes for children in Iraq have only received about one-third of the funding they need.
http://www.wereldomroep.nl/news/international/#5370663quote:Irak wil aandacht voor vluchtelingen
Amman - De regering van Irak luidt de noodklok over de situatie van honderdduizenden Iraakse vluchtelingen in omliggende landen. Volgens Bagdad dreigt er een humanitaire crisis en moet de internationale gemeenschap te hulp schieten. Volgens schattingen hebben zeker vier miljoen Irakezen huis en haard verlaten voor de oorlog en het geweld in hun land. Ongeveer de helft is Irak ontvlucht, en dan vooral naar Syrië en Jordanië. De zorgen van de Iraakse regering over het lot van de vluchtelingen worden gedeeld door Amnesty International. Jordanië en Syrië dringen ook aan op hulp bij de opvang van Irakezen, bleek op een internationale conferentie in Amman over de vluchtelingenproblematiek.
Irak was ook donderdag het toneel van bloedige aanslagen. Bij één van die terreurdaden vielen in het centrum van Bagdad zeker 25 doden en tientallen gewonden. In de noordelijke stad Kirkuk vonden zeker zeven mensen de dood bij een aanslag.
nou er gelden wel bepaalde wetten voor die figuren natuurlijk, zo mogen ze bv geen offensieve acties uitvoeren ... de Amerikanen kunnen dus niet zeggen, ga naar Bagdad en ruim de rommel opquote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 02:13 schreef Mr_Memory het volgende:
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WoW daar heb ik nog nooit van gehoort, een beetje als het vreemdeingen legioen in Frankrijk?
Dan is de vraag aan welke wetten zij zich moeten houden, het zijn immmers geen officiele US soldaten.
Rare zaak!
het zijn een soort blauwhelmen die veel te veel betaald krijgen.
ik heb het er niet zo op maar huurlingen zijn het niet, ja je huurt ze in maar daar houd het op.
met het vreemdelingenlegioen heeft het verder zowieso niets te maken want dat is een organiek onderdeel van het Franse leger, ze krijgen (meen ik) een Frans paspoort en hebben zich maar te schikken aan de Franse politiek.
Dat is een iets betere oplossing vind ik, goedkoper ook alleen zijn die contractors niet allemaal van de militaire aard, vrachtwagenchauffeurs, cateraars (Amerikanen hebben in oorlogsgebied ook gewoon de burgerking nodig) etc. heb je ook nodig en dan is het goedkoper om een civiele oplossing te zoeken, net als bv de maritieme patrouillevliegtuigen die we nu op de Antillen hebben staan
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
Op youtube staat daareen NGC documantaire over die gasten in Irak
Inside Iraq's Kill Zone - Security Contractors
Deel 1 - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=76xMqv29PNA
Deel 2 - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqf5u-L0y0I
Deel 3 - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ82xv2AJ0Q
Deel 4 - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=qNX0PRRzNow
Deel 5 - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=hk55N140FNc
Inside Iraq's Kill Zone - Security Contractors
Deel 1 - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=76xMqv29PNA
Deel 2 - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqf5u-L0y0I
Deel 3 - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ82xv2AJ0Q
Deel 4 - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=qNX0PRRzNow
Deel 5 - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=hk55N140FNc
voor meer zie: http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0727/p01s01-wome.html?page=1quote:Iraqi government in deepest crisis
US and Iraqi officials are trying to prevent complete disintegration.
By Sam Dagher | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
from the July 27, 2007 edition
Page 1 of 2
Baghdad - Iraq is in the throes of its worst political crisis since the fall of Saddam Hussein with the new democratic system, based on national consensus among its ethnic and sectarian groups, appearing dangerously close to collapsing, say several politicians and analysts.
This has brought paralysis to governmental institutions and has left parliament unable to make headway on 18 benchmarks Washington is using to measure progress in Iraq, including legislation on oil revenue sharing and reforming security forces.
And the disconnect between Baghdad and Washington over the urgency for solutions is growing. The Iraqi parliament is set for an August vacation as the Bush administration faces pressure to show progress in time for a September report to Congress.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Irak heeft zojuist de Asian Cup 2007 veroverd door met 1-0 Saoedi Arabië te verslaan
De grootste exporteurs van terreur zijn verslagen door de Irakezen, de ironie!
De grootste exporteurs van terreur zijn verslagen door de Irakezen, de ironie!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/a(...)Gc06OJg.hnlYLbxvaA8Fquote:Gunfire erupts after Iraq soccer win
BAGHDAD - Defying orders from authorities, revelers fired celebratory gunshots and poured into the streets after Iraq beat Saudi Arabia to clinch its first Asian Cup soccer championship on Sunday.
Mosques broadcast calls to stop the shootings, which killed at least four people. Security forces enforced a vehicle ban in an effort to prevent a repeat of car bombings that killed dozens celebrating Iraq's progress to the finals Wednesday.
Iraqis welcomed the victory as a chance to show the world they can come together and expressed frustration that their politicians couldn't do the same.
"Those heroes have shown the real Iraq. They have done something useful for the people as opposed to the politicians and lawmakers who are stealing or killing each other," said Sabah Shaiyal, a 43-year-old policeman in Baghdad. "The players have made us proud, not the greedy politicians. Once again, our national team has shown that there is only one, united Iraq."
The Iraqi team, known as the "Lions of the Two Rivers" beat three-time champions Saudi Arabia 1-0 in its first appearance in the Asian Cup final.
The jubilation over the victorious run of the team has given Iraqis a rare respite from the daily sectarian attacks, with men of all ages cheering and dancing in the streets after each win.
But extremists seemed just as determined to destroy national pride and unity. Two car bombs tore through crowds of revelers in two Baghdad neighborhoods, killing 50 people after Wednesday's semifinal victory over South Korea.
An Iraqi military official said police had foiled a suicide car bomber on Sunday by opening fire as the attacker took aim at a crowd in southwestern Baghdad. The driver was killed but no other casualties were reported, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information.
Elsewhere, the mood was festive. In Baghdad, soccer fans danced and waved Iraqi flags in the streets, while women handed out sweets. People sprayed confetti from cans over the heads of jubilant crowds in the southern city of Basra.
"This winning has united the Iraqis and nobody has been this since a long time," said Yassir Mohammed, a 35-year-old Sunni from western Baghdad, as the sounds of gunshots popped around him.
Hundreds of people also gathered in the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniyah, 160 miles northeast of Baghdad, chanting "Baghdad is victorious." Revelers drove their cars through the streets, honking horns and waving Kurdish and Iraqi flags in a show of unity.
Iraqi politicians were quick to try to take advantage of the win.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's office issued a statement congratulating the team and said each member would receive $10,000 for their achievements. The Shiite leader's office said earlier that it had planned to send a Cabinet delegation to the game, but had problems getting overflight permissions from countries it would have to cross en route to Indonesia.
The statement did not single out any countries or give more details.
At least four people were killed and 17 wounded by the shooting that broke out after Sunday's game, according to initial reports by police and hospital officials.
Police in the predominantly Shiite southern city of Nasiriyah reported at least nine people, including three children, wounded by the gunfire. All the officials declined to be identified because they were not supposed to speak to the media.
The vehicle ban — which began about a half hour before the game started and was to last through Monday morning — covered everything from cars and trucks to bicycles, motorcycles and carts. The ban was issued to keep "terrorists, Sunni extremists and criminals from targeting the joy of the people over the achievements of the Iraqi national team," Iraqi military spokesman Qassim al-Moussawi said in an announcement broadcast on state television.
The U.S. military said it would position troops as necessary to maintain security nationwide.
The celebratory gunfire ignored pleas from both government and religious authorities after shots killed at least seven people following previous victories. The government had warned that anybody firing weapons in the air Sunday would be arrested.
"We call upon people to stick to two important recommendations," Interior Ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Khalaf said at a news conference.
"People should keep their celebrations within their own areas while security forces step up measures at the entry points to the areas," he said. "Anybody caught shooting will be arrested and tried according to the Iraqi civil law."
Al-Moussawi said that would include Iraqi security forces.
"Security forces are allowed to participate in the celebrations but without shooting into the air, otherwise they will face judicial measures," he told The Associated Press in an interview.
Iraq's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, said celebratory gunfire was religiously prohibited to protect lives and spare people from being terrified, according to an official at his headquarters in the city of Najaf. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.
In unrelated violence Sunday, gunmen opened fire on shoppers in a Shiite Turkomen village southwest of the oil-rich city of Kirkuk, killing seven people and wounding six, police spokesman Brig. Gen. Sarhat Qadir said. Local residents blamed al-Qaida in Iraq, but the city has seen rising ethnic tensions amid disputes over Kurdish calls to incorporate it into their autonomous region.
Two U.S. soldiers also were killed — one by small-arms fire north of Baghdad and another in fighting in an eastern section of the capital, the military said.
A bomb also struck a minibus in eastern Baghdad, killing one passenger and wounding four, and a policeman was shot to death on his way to work southeast of the capital, police said.
Separately, Iraqi lawyers in Baghdad held a one-day strike to protest the violence that has struck the profession and to call on the government to provide them with protection.
Kan iemand ze nu nog even uitleggen dat in de lucht schieten niet echt een snuggere manier is om iets te vieren? Kogels komen ook weer naar beneden...quote:Op zondag 29 juli 2007 16:43 schreef IRAKEES-NL het volgende:
Irak heeft zojuist de Asian Cup 2007 veroverd door met 1-0 Saoedi Arabië te verslaan
De grootste exporteurs van terreur zijn verslagen door de Irakezen, de ironie!
