Sharia en de koran

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 10:11 schreef Triggershot het volgende:
Edit: Als een dhimmi iets fout heeft gedaan wordt hij volgens zijn rechten berecht.
Als een moslim iets fout heeft gedaan wordt hij volgens zijn rechten berecht.

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 10:43 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Hoi, heb je ook verder mijn andere reacties gelezen?
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Op maandag 16 april 2007 10:46 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Nee, wet van de Sharia is dat betreffende wordt berecht volgens zijn eigen wetten.. In andere woorden: Jood volgens de Torah, Christen volgens de Evangelie, dat is 'rechtvaardigheid' volgens de sharia.

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 10:46 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Nee, wet van de Sharia is dat betreffende wordt berecht volgens zijn eigen wetten.. In andere woorden: Jood volgens de Torah, Christen volgens de Evangelie, dat is 'rechtvaardigheid' volgens de sharia.

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 10:51 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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'dhimmi' betekent convenant.. dus wordt je berecht volgens de voorwaarden wat is opgesteld.

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 10:50 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Ik probeer niets te ratioanliseren, dat is jouw mening, ik zeg hoe de sharia er voor staat met mijn beeld en interpretatie, dat jij het als een daad van rationalisering ziet, prima, maar dat is het niet.

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 10:54 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Als dhimmi of toerist?

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 10:44 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

Vervang 'rechten' maar met 'wetten'

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 10:58 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Sorry, maar een sharia is alleen als het gaat om een kalifaat, en een fatwa-commissie van geleerden, wat nu gaat geldt als sharia, zonder die voorwaarden, dus ook niet mijn beeld er van, jij mag het sharia vinden. prima, maar het voldoet niet aan mijn beeld van de sharia, dus hoef je me er ook niet op aan te spreken.

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 10:11 schreef Triggershot het volgende:
Nou ja, ik weet wel dat er geen vaste procedure is.

Ik weet dat een volk een aparte hiërarchie heeft in de Sharia wat deels losslaat van de Sharia, ook in een aanklacht maakt het niet uit of de gelijke kant een moslim is of niet, het gaat om rechtvaardigheid in de sharia (lees: essentie van de sharia, niet beelden van vandaag van de sharia.) Er zijn verschillende overleveringen van Umar 2e kalief als de meest rechtvaardige leider dat hij gewoon vaak moslims sloeg (persoonlijk!) omdat mensen wat over ze te klagen hadden, zowel moslims als niet moslims. Umar was dan ook diegene die een Grieks als boekhouder van staat had gezet enzo.

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Er is geen vaste procedure... Hoop dat ik duidelijk ben geweest?

Edit: Als een dhimmi iets fout heeft gedaan wordt hij volgens zijn rechten berecht.
Als een moslim iets fout heeft gedaan wordt hij volgens zijn rechten berecht.

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 13:22 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Je achtergrond zoals het is opgenomen in je 'contract'.. Bedoeling is dan ook dat je door representatieven van je achtergrond wordt veroordeelt.

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 10:51 schreef Triggershot het volgende:
'dhimmi' betekent convenant..

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Op maandag 16 april 2007 17:38 schreef Akkersloot het volgende:

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Dhimmi betekent christen of jood. Dus "mensen van het boek" die geen moslim zijn. Wij atheisten zijn dus geen dhimmi en hebben dus totaal geen rechten, volgens de doctrine van de godsdienststichter Mohammed.

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Muslim radicals have established their own draconian court systems in Britain.

Controversial Sharia courts have been set up in major towns and cities to impose Islamic law and enable Muslims to shun the legitimate British legal system.

Last night religious leaders and politicians expressed outrage that Sharia law is gaining an increasing foothold in our society.

Critics insisted that the Govern ment is allowing a two-tier legal system to flourish in the name of political correctness and that the authority of UK justice is being undermined.

The Daily Express can reveal that one of the controversial courts has been set up in the home town of the 7/7 London bombings ringleader.

Mohammed Siddique Khan was responsible for the Edgware Road Circle Line explosion which killed six people and injured 120. Our investigation has found that the Sharia court system has been set up in the heart of Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, and that it is a model for others across the country which are operating outside the British legal process.

The Dewsbury court is called the Sharee Council – another term for Sharia – and operates as a Muslim judiciary making decisions by which attendees must abide.

In many countries, hard-line interpretations of the Islamic law allow people to be stoned to death, beheaded or have their limbs amputated.

Non-Muslims are excluded from the secretive court which is registered as a charity to receive British tax benefits.
Although the court has no official legal standing, scales of justice adorn a sign outside a former pub building which has been converted by the Islamic Institute of Great Britain.

Last night the Sharia courts were blasted by both Christian and Muslim groups for their non-democratic attempts to establish their legal system.

Mark Wallace, campaign man ager of the Freedom Asso ciation said: "British society must be one of free speech, free personal choice, democratic freedom and fairness.

"If individual Muslims wish to inform their decisions by the teachings of Sharia, that is fine, but they must do it within the structures of British law and they must understand that sharia will never be acceptable as the legal system of the UK."

His views were echoed by the Muslim Council of Britain, whose spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said: "We believe one legal code should apply for all citizens of the UK. There is no place for multiple legal systems for people of different religious or ethnic backgrounds."

Dewsbury councillor Imtiaz Ameen, a Muslim, said: "Some people advocate total Sharia law but you cannot have it being the case in any country that there is one law for one and one law for another."

Critics say the Government has not done enough to stop radical Muslim groups establishing their brand of law.
Liberal thinkers in the Gov ernment claim that the law enables full-face veil-wearing Muslim women who are afraid of British courts to gain justice the "traditional way".

But one insider told the Daily Express that the Sharia court, which is run from the backroom of a Madrasa – an Islamic education centre – in Dewsbury is just one of "dozens" operating in Asian communities. And a leading Muslim commentator claimed similar courts exist in every major city across Britain.

The Madrasa – which is a former pub situated less than a mile from the one-time home of London bombing mastermind Khan – sits as a court every other weekend and hears up to 10 cases a day.

Four Muslim scholars, who have spent their life studying and preaching the Koran, sit in judgment on an array of cases alongside a Muslim solicitor whose role is to advise on the implications of their rulings in British law.

The operation is headed by prominent scholar Sheikh Yaqub Munshi. Accounts for the Dewsbury court's parent company the Islamic Research Institute of Great Britain, show that it was registered in Dewsbury as a charity in 1996 with the ethos of promoting the advancement of Islamic religion and education in the United Kingdom.

Charitable status allows the organisation to claim tax relief and apply for government grants and trustee funding.

Between April 1999 and April 2004 its gross annual turnover rocketed from £2,500 to above £177,000. At the end of the last financial year it recorded total funds of £255,000 but it is not known if or how it charges for use of the service.

At the moment, the leaders insist they only deal with civil matters such as Muslim divorces, wedding dowries and asset sharing.

But the secretive Muslim-only nature of the dealings will provoke fears that radical Sharia law could be allowed
to spread across the Muslim population. The source said: "These courts take the law into their own hands and dish out punishment for bad behaviour.

"I have not heard of physical punishments being used but those in the wrong are often ordered to pay compensation. Many who have no respect for British law are the most stringent observers of Sharia law."

Sheikh Yaqub admitted that in troducing Sharia law into the UK has been his goal since moving to Britain from Paki stan in the 1960s.

But he insisted its main aim is to help repressed women who are trapped in bad or violent marriages and who dare not use British law.

He said: "Ever since I arrived here in the 1960s there has been a case of women being forced to get married, others forced to get married, but unhappy afterwards. Until now there was no organisation which could Islamically solve their problems."

Sharia is derived from the Arabic translation Sariah and outlines Islamic law according to the Koran. The term means "way" or "path" and gives the Islamic framework within which people must regulate their lives according to the Muslim faith.

After the Sharia court has ruled in judgment, solicitors process matters officially through UK courts on their clients' behalf.

Dr Patrick Sookhdeo, of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity, said: "Sharia courts now operate in most larger cities, with different sectarian and ethnic groups operating their own courts that cater to their specific needs according to their tradition."

Philip Davies, the Tory MP for Shipley, said: "I am ab solutely appalled and find the prospect of such courts totally terrifying. Places like this should be closed down or else everybody will want to establish their own courts.

"How many more places like this are there in the UK? Who knows where it could all end? It simply cannot be tolerated."

http://www.express.co.uk:80/posts/view/5795 via http://richarddawkins.net/article,963,n,n

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Op zaterdag 14 april 2007 16:07 schreef TheMagnificent het volgende:
De zogenaamde Sharia die de Arabische landen hebben, is niet de werkelijke Sharia. De Sharia tentijde van de Profeet Mohammed (vzmh) en de Sharia tentijde van Islamitische Spanje (Andalusië) daarentegen wel.

De Saoudie-Arabië van nu is niet representatief voor de Islam en de Sharia.