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Op maandag 2 april 2007 18:06 schreef persian2008 het volgende:

"From a scientific point of view of course they could create nuclear weapons," Velikhov, president of Russia's Kurchatov Institute, told reporters. "When they could do it is a more difficult question."

"If you remember, U.S. scientists expected the Soviet Union would only be able to create a nuclear bomb by around 1954 at the earliest," he said.

"They were rather surprised when we created one in 1949," he said with a chuckle. Velikhov trained under Igor Kurchatov, the leader of the Soviet atomic bomb project.
Shocking. Ze weten hoe ze er een moeten maken en kunnen het technisch, alleen men weet niet wanneer. Datzelfde geldt voor nog honderd andere landen, ofzo. En de Verenigde Staten verwachtten pas in 1954 een Sovjetbom? Leuk, in de jaren zeventig en tachtig dachten ze dat de Sovjet-Unie veel meer militaire kracht had dan in werkelijkheid. Wat zegt dat nou? Non-bericht.
  dinsdag 3 april 2007 @ 12:27:28 #227
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Damascus airport has become the hub for thousands of Hizballah, Hamas, Jihad Islami fighters heading out to Iranian training camps

According to DEBKAfile’s military and intelligence sources, in the last several weeks, Damascus international airport main has become the main transport hub for a stream of Lebanese and Palestinian terrorists heading for Revolutionary Guards installations in Iran. Hence Israel military intelligence chief’s pessimistic briefing to the Israeli cabinet Sunday, April 1. (See separate item on this page) Damascus airport is also the transit point for returning terrorists to gather and pick up their assignment for various Middle East countries, as well as Lebanon, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Syrian military intelligence and Iranian RG officers have set up a joint depot at the Syrian airport for directing the incoming and outgoing traffic - much of it ferried by Syrian Airways.

A high-ranking Western intelligence source in the Middle East told DEBKAfile that the number of such terrorist-trainees commuting between Damascus and Tehran has grown to more than three times the volume of Muslim and al Qaeda fighters heading out from Syria into Iraq. This source calculates Iran is running a crash program to prepare an army of trained terrorist strength to retaliate for a potential US attack on its nuclear installations. That will be the signal for these men to ignite a regional war of terror across Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank and out to Sinai and Egypt.

Four Iranian command centers have been set up at home, in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, to coordinate the movements of fighting men and the arms consignments that are being shipped through marine smuggling routes to their various destinations.

According to our intelligence and military sources, new training methods are employed for the new intake of terrorists. They are no longer being trained at special facilities provided for them at the camps run by the Al Quds Brigades, the RGs international branch. From the beginning of 2007, they have been integrated in regular RG training facilities and are taking basic training along with Iranian recruits in line with a revised Iranian military doctrine. The entire Middle East is deemed henceforth a single integrated line designed to defend the ayatollahs’ regime in Tehran in case of American attack. This line will be manned entirely by units which underwent training in the same combat tactics and operate the same weapons systems and communications.

Syria’s high command and military intelligence are pivotal to the construction, administration and control of this new fighting-terrorist machine. The personal say-so of president Bashar Assad would have been necessary for this project. Damascus airport facilities are a pivotal link in the mechanism wiring Tehran to the terrorist groups and transporting them from training centers to operating bases ready to fight for the Islamic Republic. Without Damascus’ aid, the operation would have taken much longer.

Israel’s AMAN chief, Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin views this burgeoning war-cum-terror machine as a dangerous element that could tip the region over into a full-blown conflict without prior warning. No one outside Iran, even seasoned military intelligence observers, can know for certain when, why or for which location, some high-up in the wildly-radical Revolutionary Guards will decide to push the button to activate it.
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A failed American attempt to abduct two senior Iranian security officers on an official visit to northern Iraq was the starting pistol for a crisis that 10 weeks later led to Iranians seizing 15 British sailors and Marines.

Early on the morning of 11 January, helicopter-born US forces launched a surprise raid on a long-established Iranian liaison office in the city of Arbil in Iraqi Kurdistan. They captured five relatively junior Iranian officials whom the US accuses of being intelligence agents and still holds.

In reality the US attack had a far more ambitious objective, The Independent has learned. The aim of the raid, launched without informing the Kurdish authorities, was to seize two men at the very heart of the Iranian security establishment.

Better understanding of the seriousness of the US action in Arbil - and the angry Iranian response to it - should have led Downing Street and the Ministry of Defence to realise that Iran was likely to retaliate against American or British forces such as highly vulnerable Navy search parties in the Gulf. The two senior Iranian officers the US sought to capture were Mohammed Jafari, the powerful deputy head of the Iranian National Security Council, and General Minojahar Frouzanda, the chief of intelligence of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, according to Kurdish officials.
http://news.independent.c(...)t/article2414760.ece

Tsja... Dat krijg je ervan.
  dinsdag 3 april 2007 @ 12:36:10 #229
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Effe niet
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Hoe meer er bij elkaar zitten, hoe beter. Paar hellfire missiles erop en klaar is kees.
Radical islam is the snake in the grass.
Moderate islam is the grass that hides the snake.
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En zo simpel is het. Klaar is Kees. De Iraniërs zullen netjes op hun rug gaan liggen.
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Op dinsdag 3 april 2007 12:10 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Want ? Terry Jones is het blijjkbaar eens met Guantanamo Bay: als je conventies hebt geschonden mag je niet zeuren als ze worden geschonden als je zelf gevangen bent.
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Op dinsdag 3 april 2007 12:39 schreef CeeJee het volgende:

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Want ? Terry Jones is het blijjkbaar eens met Guantanamo Bay: als je conventies hebt geschonden mag je niet zeuren als ze worden geschonden als je zelf gevangen bent.
Dan heb jij toch wat moeite met engels sarcasme
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Op dinsdag 3 april 2007 12:49 schreef EricT het volgende:

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Dan heb jij toch wat moeite met engels sarcasme
Misschien kan hij volgende week grappen maken over de gevangenen in Guantanamo Bay.
  † In Memoriam † dinsdag 3 april 2007 @ 13:00:06 #234
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Op dinsdag 3 april 2007 12:39 schreef CeeJee het volgende:

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Want ? Terry Jones is het blijjkbaar eens met Guantanamo Bay: als je conventies hebt geschonden mag je niet zeuren als ze worden geschonden als je zelf gevangen bent. heeft blijkbaar een hekel aan de dubbele moraal.
Ja, dat denk ik ook.
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Tsja, hij bericht op een sarcastische wijze over de hypocrisie van Groot-Brittanië en het Westen in het algemeen. Hij heeft natuurlijk gewoon gelijk.
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Op dinsdag 3 april 2007 13:04 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Tsja, hij bericht op een sarcastische wijze over de hypocrisie van Groot-Brittanië en het Westen in het algemeen. Hij heeft natuurlijk gewoon gelijk.
Is dat zo ? Zijn hele redatie is erop gebaseerd dat Britten niet mogen klagen over hun behandeling die tegen internationale wetten is omdat hun bondgenoten gevangenen diezelfde wetten breken.

Daarmee accepteer je ook dat de gevangenen in Guantanamo Bay geen recht hebben te klagen over hun behandeling omdat Al Qaida gevangenen onthoofden. Met als belangrijk verschil dat de Britse zeelieden wel voldoen aan de voorwaarden van de Geneefse conventies door in uniform te zijn.
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Op dinsdag 3 april 2007 12:34 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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http://news.independent.c(...)t/article2414760.ece

Tsja... Dat krijg je ervan.
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But Britain's delicate diplomatic efforts were set back by U.S. President George W. Bush, who made a statement Saturday in which he characterized the imprisoned sailors as “hostages” — a phrase that Britain has been carefully avoiding to prevent the crisis from becoming a broader political or military conflict.

“The British hostages issue is a serious issue because the Iranians took these people out of Iraqi waters, and it's inexcusable behaviour,” Mr. Bush said in response to a reporter's question during a press conference at the Camp David retreat.

He had reportedly promised not to raise the issue of the sailors, as British officials worry that the entry of the United States into this crisis could cause it to escalate into an irreconcilable confrontation.

Other U.S. officials have been even less amenable to the British approach. John Bolton, who until recently was Mr. Bush's ambassador to the United Nations, has appeared on British TV describing the British approach as “pathetic.”

Mr. Bush stressed that the United States would not turn over Iranian officials it had arrested in Iraq earlier this year on accusations that they were supporting insurgents, saying he supported Prime Minister Tony Blair's view that “there were no quid pro quos. The Iranians must give back the hostages. They're innocent, they were doing nothing, and they were summarily plucked out of water.”

But British officials say that a prisoner exchange has never been offered or suggested by Iran, and that Mr. Bush's words could cause harm by putting the Iranians in a position from which they cannot back down if it becomes a major confrontation with their long-time enemy, the United States.
http://www.theglobeandmai(...)y/International/home

Het zullen je bondgenoten maar zijn...
  † In Memoriam † dinsdag 3 april 2007 @ 14:08:24 #239
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Op dinsdag 3 april 2007 13:20 schreef CeeJee het volgende:

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versus

Tony Blair said "parading" crew in this way would only "enhance people's sense of disgust with Iran".

UK Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett described the latest footage as "quite appalling".

[bbc]

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An Iranian diplomat kidnapped in Iraq in February has been freed, Iran's official news agency, Irna, says.

There has been no word on who was holding him, or the circumstances of his release.

Iranian officials had previously blamed the US for the abduction, saying Jalal Sharafi was taken by an Iraqi army unit that worked closely with the Americans.

US officials denied any involvement in the kidnapping and said they did not know about the diplomat's release.

Mr Sharafi, second secretary at the Iranian embassy in Baghdad, was abducted from his car in February in the city's central Karrada district by men wearing Iraqi army uniforms.

He was released on Tuesday and returned to Iran later on Tuesday, Irna said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6522113.stm

Toevallig.
  † In Memoriam † dinsdag 3 april 2007 @ 14:35:11 #241
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Hoe pakken we dit aan zonder gezichtsverlies?

Nou ja, mooie oplossing lijkt me.
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Ik wacht op het moment dat iran ook met foto's van opgestapelde naakte gevangen komt, en dan met de reden aankomt dat ze niet aan internationale verdragen hoeven te voldoen omdat ze een grotere duim om aan te zuigen hebben dan de VS. Desnoods hangen ze nog niemand (een stroman) op en zijn we in het westen door de verslaggeving hiet weer verontwaardigd over.

Ik haat die hypocrisie die sommige mensen hier tentoon spreiden. En vooral de vergelijking gaan maken omdat iran zich niet aan geneefse conventies hoeft te houden hoeven wij als westen het ook niet. Dit terwijl we pretenderen (althans dat wordt ons voorgespeigeld) beschaafder te zijn dan sommige anders denkende volkeren. Als we echt beschaafder zouden zijn zouden we ook niet moeten vervallen in zulk barbaars gedrag, aangezien dat wel gebeurd is het niet meer dan een grote grap al die onzin die over ons wordt uitgestort door de media.
  dinsdag 3 april 2007 @ 15:24:52 #243
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Blair: next 48 hours 'critical' to Iran standoff


Iranian TV has been showing footage of four of the 15 British service personnel held captive. Photograph: Getty

The next two days would be "fairly critical" to resolving a diplomatic standoff between Britain and Iran over the capture of 15 British sailors and marines, Tony Blair said today.
Moments after the prime minister made his remarks, Iran's first vice-president, Parviz Davoudi, said Iran was hopeful that the deadlock would end soon.

Iran is hopeful the standoff with Britain over the detention of 15 sailors will be resolved "soon" but London must recognise that its forces illegally entered Iranian waters, Mr Davoudi said, according to the AFP news agency.

"London has changed its attitude for several days now and is acting on the basis of negotiations," Mr Davoudi told reporters in the southern city of Bushehr, where he was opening a new installation at Iran's first nuclear power station.
"London must give guarantees and say that there was a violation and there will be no other errors in the future. I think that the problem is heading in this direction and, God willing, will be resolved soon."

In his remarks, Mr Blair told Glasgow-based Real Radio: "The next 48 hours will be fairly critical. I've read the transcripts of the interview [the secretary of the supreme national security council] Ali Larijani gave and that seems to offer some prospect, but the most important thing is to get these people back ... If they want to resolve this in a diplomatic way, the door is open."

The latest developments came as Iran's official news agency reported an Iranian diplomat kidnapped two months ago in Iraq had been released.

Jalal Sharafi, the second secretary at the Iranian Embassy in Baghdad, will return to Tehran later today, the Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

Mr Sharafi was seized early last month when his car was intercepted by vehicles carrying armed men in the Karradah district of Baghdad. The gunmen, who wore Iraqi uniforms, forced him into one of their vehicles and sped away.

Iran said he had been taken by an Iraqi military unit commanded by US forces, and said it was holding the Americans responsible for his safety. The US authorities denied any role in his disappearance.

The seizure of Iranians in Iraq has contributed to heightened tension between Tehran and the west, which are also at loggerheads over Iran's nuclear programme.

US forces are still holding five Iranians who were taken in northern Iraq in January after the US accused them of having links to a network backing armed Shia groups.

Last night, Mr Larijani told Channel 4 News that Iran wanted to see a diplomatic solution to the crisis and called for a delegation to review the alleged violation of Iranian waters and an assurance that such an incident would not be repeated.

Mr Larijani said that if it was found the British naval personnel had crossed into Iranian territory, they would be released following an apology.

Lowering the temperature after days of angry exchanges, he adopted a more conciliatory tone, saying the Iranian government was not interested in putting the detainees on trial, but warned that might change if Britain attempted to impose more international pressure on Tehran.

"We are not interested in this issue getting more complicated," said Mr Larijani. "Our interest is in solving this problem as soon as possible. This issue can be resolved, and there is no need for any trial. There should be a delegation to review the case ... to clarify whether they have been in our territorial waters or not."

Mr Larijani did not specify whether the delegation he was requesting should be British or international, but he did say the issue should be solved "bilaterally".

His remarks could be a response to an offer by Britain to send a team of naval experts and diplomats to discuss how to avoid a repetition of the crisis. The Foreign Office said that, while some differences remained, the government shared Mr Larijani's preference for early discussions to find a diplomatic solution.

A Foreign Office spokeswoman said last night: "We are still studying Dr Larijani's remarks. There remain some differences between us, but we can confirm we share his preference for early bilateral discussions to find a diplomatic solution to this problem. We will be following this up with the Iranian authorities tomorrow, given our shared desire to make early progress."

However, British officials are adamant that the team of experts would not be negotiating the captives' release, and would focus on the future rather than on the incident that triggered the crisis. They said proposed talks would ideally improve the current atmosphere but would not include acceptance of Iranian claims that the British patrol had entered Iranian waters.

Iranian state TV claimed that all 15 of the captured personnel - 14 men and one woman - had now admitted intruding into Iranian territory. Britain remains adamant that they were in Iraqi waters when they were seized and were being detained against their will.

The group were captured after conducting a routine early morning anti-smuggling check on a merchant vessel on Friday March 23.
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De Britse premier Tony Blair heeft Iran vandaag gewaarschuwd dat de vijftien Britse marinemensen die Iran gevangen houdt, zo snel mogelijk moeten worden vrijgelaten.

Blair zei dat Groot-Brittannië niet zal terugdeinzen voor "steeds hardere beslissingen'' als dat niet gebeurt. De Britten sloegen de laatste dagen een zachtere toon aan in de onderhandelingen met Iran over de vrijlating van de marinemensen en mariniers. Tegen de Schotse zender Real Radio zei Blair echter dat hij bereid is de druk op te voeren als de onderhandelingen niets opleveren.

Behoorlijk cruciaal

Blair noemde de komende twee dagen "behoorlijk cruciaal''. Hij benadrukte dat Groot-Brittannië ,,niet op zoek is naar een confrontatie'' en dat het vooral belangrijk is dat de mariniers heelhuids terugkomen.

Iran en Groot-Brittannië begonnen dinsdag directe gesprekken om de crisis op te lossen. De secretaris van de Iraanse Opperste Nationale Veiligheidsraad, Ali Larijani, gaf dinsdag tegen Iraanse staatsmedia aan hoop op een goede uitkomst te hebben. "Het is het begin. Als ze doorgaan op dit pad kunnen de omstandigheden veranderen en kunnen we aansturen op het beëindigen van deze zaak.''

Erkennen

De Iraanse vicepresident Parviz Davoudi voegde daaraan toe dat er snel een einde aan het conflict kan komen, mits de Britten erkennen dat de mariniers zich in Iraanse territoriale wateren bevonden. Iraanse militairen namen op 23 maart vijftien Britse mariniers en marinemensen gevangen in het grensgebied tussen Iran en Irak.

Volgens Teheran bevonden ze zich in Iraanse territoriale wateren. Londen zegt dat ze zich in Iraakse wateren bevonden toen ze werden gepakt.
  dinsdag 3 april 2007 @ 15:29:07 #245
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Op dinsdag 3 april 2007 14:08 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Tony Blair said "parading" crew in this way would only "enhance people's sense of disgust with Iran".

UK Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett described the latest footage as "quite appalling".

[bbc]

Snap je het nu ?
Ik snap niet dat degenen die er altijd op hameren dat de Conventies Van Geneve, principe van onschuld en internationale wetten altijd onveranderlijk op iedereen van toepassing zijn nu opeens de mening van de Bush regering delen dat eerdere daden slechte behandeling rechtvaardigen.
  dinsdag 3 april 2007 @ 16:15:18 #247
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Volgens SKY komen er nieuwe beelden/foto's? van de gevangen genomen Soldaten op de Iraanse tv.

edit:
Het zou gaan om een nieuwe foto..

Op de foto zijn een paar gevangen te zien in burgerkleding.

[ Bericht 8% gewijzigd door venomsnake op 03-04-2007 16:22:47 ]
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Op dinsdag 3 april 2007 16:15 schreef venomsnake het volgende:
Volgens SKY komen er nieuwe beelden/foto's? van de gevangen genomen Soldaten op de Iraanse tv.
ik denk het niet. ik kijk al de hele tijd naar de iraanse zenders. ze zenden de hele dag voetbal uit
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  † In Memoriam † dinsdag 3 april 2007 @ 16:23:10 #249
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Op dinsdag 3 april 2007 16:08 schreef CeeJee het volgende:

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Ik snap niet dat degenen die er altijd op hameren dat de Conventies Van Geneve, principe van onschuld en internationale wetten altijd onveranderlijk op iedereen van toepassing zijn nu opeens de mening van de Bush regering delen dat eerdere daden slechte behandeling rechtvaardigen.
Lees je ergens goedkeuring voor wat Iran doet dan? Misschien kun je het even aanwijzen want dat heb ik gemist dan.
  dinsdag 3 april 2007 @ 16:24:36 #250
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Op dinsdag 3 april 2007 16:22 schreef persian2008 het volgende:

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ik denk het niet. ik kijk al de hele tijd naar de iraanse zenders. ze zenden de hele dag voetbal uit
Foto was net te zien op SKY, het gaat om een foto waar je de soldaten in burgerkleding op de grond ziet zitten.
Foto zou in een Iraanse krant zijn gepubliceerd.
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