Britse politiek #34 - to deal or not to deal

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Talks breakdown: Don't blame the EU for what Leavers got wrong

Bit of a pickle. Just as we were expecting Michel Barnier and Dominic Raab to come back with a Brexit deal, the talks broke down over an imaginary item called Backstop 2.

There is no Backstop 2, but it's worth looking into it, if only to show how dreadfully confused the Brexiters have become about their own negotiating strategy.

There is just the one backstop. It was a promise: that no matter what happened, there'd be no hard border in Ireland. There'd be no hard border if Britain went for a Canada-type Brexit deal and there'd be no hard border if Britain went for a Norway-type Brexit deal. There'd be no hard border if Britain invented a spacecraft, set sail for the stars and started a new customs union with Jupiter.

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Op maandag 15 oktober 2018 15:45 schreef Tocadisco het volgende:
Zou May ondertussen niet al ergens aan het speechen moeten zijn?

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Op maandag 15 oktober 2018 15:52 schreef Tocadisco het volgende:
Ow ja, even vergeten dat ze in een andere tijdzone zitten .

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jessicaelgot twitterde op maandag 15-10-2018 om 17:39:34 The mood of the Commons should seriously worry Downing Street. No support for the PM's plan coming from any quarter. To me, it's the first day that no deal starts to feel tangible. reageer retweet

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faisalislam twitterde op maandag 15-10-2018 om 17:28:40 THIS is a really important historic debate - PM trying hard in difficult circumstances but majority for any deal appears to be disappearing before her eyes - under the cosh from most shades of opinion for a variety of different reasons, with concerted effort from peoples vote MPs reageer retweet

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Op maandag 15 oktober 2018 20:46 schreef J.B. het volgende:
Er is gewoon voor niks een parlementaire meerderheid in het VK, behalve uiteraard voor plannen die alleen maar voordelen kennen en geen nadelen. Het dichtst in de buurt van een meerderheid zal een douaneunie wel komen, maar ook daar blijkt de steun onvoldoende. Welke keuze is er dan nog?

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Op maandag 15 oktober 2018 20:48 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Verkiezingen? Nog een referendum met meerdere opties?

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Op maandag 15 oktober 2018 20:48 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Verkiezingen? Nog een referendum met meerdere opties?

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Invitation letter by President Donald Tusk to the members of the European Council ahead of their meetings on 17 and 18 October 2018

We will meet later this week to discuss European and global challenges, first among ourselves and then with our partners from across Asia.

The European Council will start on Wednesday evening with a debate on Brexit. I have invited Prime Minister May to address the EU27, giving the UK Government's assessment of the negotiations. Later at 27, we will decide on how to take the negotiations forward, on the basis of a recommendation by our chief negotiator, Michel Barnier. As you remember from Salzburg, we wished for maximum progress and results that would lead to a deal in October. As things stand today, it has proven to be more complicated than some may have expected. We should nevertheless remain hopeful and determined, as there is good will to continue these talks on both sides. But at the same time, responsible as we are, we must prepare the EU for a no-deal scenario, which is more likely than ever before. Like the UK, the Commission has started such preparations, and will give us an update during the meeting. But let me be absolutely clear. The fact that we are preparing for a no-deal scenario must not, under any circumstances, lead us away from making every effort to reach the best agreement possible, for all sides. This is what our state of mind should be at this stage. As someone rightly said: 'It always seems impossible until it's done.' Let us not give up.

We will reconvene at 28 on Thursday morning for the regular European Council. After our usual exchange with the President of the European Parliament, Chancellor Kurz will debrief us on progress in implementing our previous conclusions, including on migration. We will then have a debate and adopt conclusions on migration, internal security and external relations. Our aim is to send a strong message about fighting smuggling networks, protecting our external borders and building our cooperation with countries of origin and transit. On the internal security front, we need to strengthen our resilience and our resolve, especially when it comes to cybersecurity. The latest cyber-attack against the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons in The Hague demonstrated that we are facing evolving threats. We should also address our new partnership with Africa and the upcoming summit with the League of Arab States, as well as other global issues, in particular the fight against climate change ahead of COP 24 in Katowice.

Later, the Euro Summit will meet informally over lunch in an inclusive format of 27 to discuss the EMU reform state of play. Eurogroup President Centeno will update us on the ministers' work on the reform, while European Central Bank President Draghi will give us his assessment of the situation. In the current global environment, we need to focus especially on strengthening Europe's resilience also on the economic front. We need to make sure that there is a good progress in the EMU reform by the end of the year.

Before concluding, let me recall that the European Council will be followed by the Asia-Europe Meeting (ASEM), hosted this year by the EU. Together with 21 Asian countries, the 28 Member States, along with Norway and Switzerland, will focus on how to make connectivity sustainable and how we can fortify the rules-based international order. The ASEM starts on Thursday evening and finishes on Friday afternoon. After that meeting, the EU will hold a Summit with the Republic of Korea, followed by the EU-ASEAN Leaders' Meeting.

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Op maandag 15 oktober 2018 20:51 schreef J.B. het volgende:

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Daar is allemaal geen tijd meer voor. Over dik 5 maanden is het al zover, alle noodzakelijke ratificaties in ogenschouw nemende is het daar veel te laat voor.

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Op dinsdag 16 oktober 2018 00:01 schreef trein2000 het volgende:

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Referendum kan in een paar dagen geregeld zijn?

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Op dinsdag 16 oktober 2018 00:22 schreef Tocadisco het volgende:

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Als ze alles in het parlement even opzij schuiven kunnen ze een referendumwet er wel in een paar dagen doorjagen inderdaad (voor zover dat überhaupt al mogelijk is in een parlement dat zo verdeeld is als nu), maar voordat het referendum daadwerkelijk gehouden wordt ben je al gauw een paar weken verder. Je moet immers ook nog niet geregistreerde burgers de kans geven dat nog te doen, er moet een periode opzij gezet worden waarin campagnes en debatten gevoerd kunnen worden etc. etc. etc.

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Britain’s magical thinking won’t make the EU accept the impossible

Few things have demonstrated the logic of the European project as effectively as the spectacle of hollow Eurosceptic rhetoric bouncing off the wall of continental unity – and back into the faces of people who didn’t believe Britain had anything to gain from that kind of solidarity.

The only surprise for the EU side has been the obstinacy of British politicians ignoring what their counterparts in Brussels, Berlin and Paris have been saying and their cowardice in refusing to pass the message on to voters. This isn’t a symptom of foreign politicians being more virtuous. Honesty is pretty evenly distributed among nations. It is simply a feature of a multinational union that common positions, once established, are not readily changed. And in the case of Michel Barnier’s mandate as the EU’s chief negotiator there has been no incentive for member states to break ranks.

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uk_domain_names twitterde op zondag 14-10-2018 om 11:57:53 Here's the truth about Brexit, the "punishment" some people claim the EU wants to inflict on us, the full horrific consequences of no deal, and the dangers lurking behind any deal we reach. Buckle in, it's pretty long. Better to be thorough than to leave anything out. 1/47 reageer retweet