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Heb het inmiddels ook helemaal gezien, vrij vreemd. Ik twijfel ook, je kan je toch niet voorstellen dat dit gewoon een heel complot is tegen Steve. Die Brendan is trouwens ook niet de slimste. 
quote:Op dinsdag 16 februari 2016 17:16 schreef Fluffypinkcupcake het volgende:
Is die nieuwe docu (ID) ergens online te bekijken? Of komt er nog een herhaling?
Het is eigenlijk alleen maar herhaling als je de serie al gezien hebt. Hooguit de laatste tien minuten zijn nog een beetje interessant.
Bedankt!quote:
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Het is eigenlijk alleen maar herhaling als je de serie al gezien hebt. Hooguit de laatste tien minuten zijn nog een beetje interessant.
interessant
Making A Murderer Update 30: Suspect George Zipperer
In recent weeks, a suspect in Making a Murderer has become George Zipperer. A call between detectives Weigart and Remiker indicated that Teresa Halbach may have stopped at the Zipperer property after visiting Stephen Avery’s yard. When questioned by the police, Zipperer lied about his own activities and denied Teresa had ever been there.
A local source close to the events, posted a theory on Reddit under the name Escvelocity:
My theory is that George Zipperer shot Teresa thinking she was trespassing. The Zipperers called chief deputy Eugene Kusche, because they knew him personally. Eugene then contacted deputies Lenk and Colburn, then it was all downhill from there. However, Steven Avery retained excellent attorneys and threw a wrench into things by pushing the framing defense.
According to the Zipperers’ Wiki page:
The Zipperers live at 4433 County Trunk B, near route 310, south of the Avery salvage yard. JoEllen lived at the property with her husband George, daughter, and grandson Jason.
At trial JoEllen testified that she thinks Halbach was there "mid-afternoon," "maybe around 3:00", which was an estimate. She was there for about 15 minutes. She did not say where she was going next. She left a message prior to arriving "that she was having trouble finding our house, but I was outside so I didn't hear it until later, after she was gone. But she found the place." JoEllen did not see Teresa leave.
Teresa could have arrived as early at 2:30pm, could have been 3:00 or a little after. JoEllen was outside raking in the garden and not wearing a watch.
When police called twice on November 3, George Zipperer spoke to them.
Outside the presence of the jury and witness, Dean Strang told the court that Corporal (Leslie) Lemieux of the Calumet County Sherriff's Department made a report that shows she started working on the missing person investigation at about 5:00 on November 3. She reports a call to George Zipperer where he is belligerent on the phone. There is also a report of Investigator John Dedering of Calumet calling at about 9:40pm, says George is extremely belligerent. Strang says he intends to show that George lied about his own activities and Jason's activities, about whether Teresa Halbach was a trespasser, threatened to have a dog eat anyone who came onto the property, wanting Teresa Halbach arrested after being told she was a missing person, and denying that he had contacted Auto Trader or arranged for photographs of the car.
The theory now is that Teresa was at the garage looking to photograph a car and George Zipperer mistook her for a trespasser and shot her. Another source has told me that the Zipperer grandson in jail knows all the details, and is ready to reveal what his grandfather did to Teresa. Maybe Kathleen Zellner was at the wrong property with her luminol. How can anyone test the Zipperer’s original garage for blood if it has been destroyed?
Amendment: A new garage was being built in 2015 and it is finished now. The garage door is not centered on the new garage and it is on the old one. It is a new garage with a different roof pitch. This has been in progress since 2015. The garage back in 2005 - that could hold answers to Teresa's disappearance - is now gone.
http://jonsjailjournal.bl(...)30-main-suspect.html
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theory on Reddit
COMFIRMED Gene Kusche had a close personal relationship with the Zipperers through his wife Sue. **DEBUNKED Gene faked his death and is Edwin Bruns.
I meant to say, He may have still been alive in 2015. Sorry for mix-up.
I have a very strong theory that should be followed up on with someone with more tools to investigate.
It follows the Zipperer theory; that the Zipperers were Teresa Halbachs last stop and that George Zipperer may have shot her. Motive for framing Steven for the murder would be strong enough, just based on the civil law suit Steven had against the county and Sherriff’s department. However, there may be an additional reason why they would want to frame Steven for the murder, and why they would have no problem covering for the Zipperers, if George did shoot her, and pinning it on Steven Avery & Brenden Dassey.
After Diana Shimek publicly stated that she was Jason Zipperers aunt and she knew Jason didn't have anything to do with the murder, but she felt the Grandfather George Zipperer did, I started to do a little digging. I started digging because, while searching for information about Gene Kusche's son for an unrelated matter, the last name Shimek came up frequently with my searches as in the following webpage. http://www.whitepages.com(...)Manitowoc-WI/6kjxrpp
So, I then looked into Susan/Sue Kusche-Shimek-Bruns and found this record and it shows Gene Kusche and Sue S Shimek in the same household in 2002. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KBZ7-WQ2 Here it list the members of that household. https://homemetry.com/Manitowoc+WI/10TH+ST/2001
I then researched Bruns. I found Scholastica (Sally) Bruns' Obituary. Nice information in there. http://www.legacy.com/obi(...)y.aspx?pid=170350761 A couple of Vogels are her brother in Laws, it list Edwin Bruns as her son and Edwins wife Sue Bruns. Pretty positive Darrick Bruns is Darrick Kusche and is Gene's Son and he now goes by Bruns. Why? I have a hunch that the Richard Vogel listed in her obituary might be Denis R. Vogel. Pretty sure Denis' middle name is Richard. I could be wrong though. However, what struck me was that Edwin G Bruns is listed as Sue's husband and Darrick is a grandchild.
So, I looked up Edwin G (Jerry) Bruns. Found out he lived in Manitowoc then moved to Florida. http://www.spokeo.com/Edwin-Bruns/Florida/Dunnellon/p730310251 I also found an Obituary for him. http://www.legacy.com/obi(...)y.aspx?pid=174391558
The picture displayed for his obituary looks like a young Gene Kusche. See comparisons here. http://imgur.com/yGgIf0f You would only need to acquire a yearbook or some other picture of Gene as a young man to verify. There are some strong similarities between the pictures however. Such as the bottom lip crease, chin, eyes and eyebrows.
My theory is that Gene Kusche got the ball rolling framing Steven and Dassey, because George Zipperer shot her thinking she was trespassing. The Zipperers called Gene, because they knew him personally. Gene then contacted Lenk and Colburn, then it was all downhill from there. However, Steven retained excellent attorneys and threw a wrench into things by pushing the framing defense. Eugene Kusche panicked and went into hiding assuming the name of Edwin Bruns and moved to Florida, while everyone assumed he died of a heart attack February 4th 2007, Shortly before Steven's trial. *edit fixed formatting **edit corrected date to state Gene may have still been alive in 2015 instead of 2013.
****Edit to add: I think the latter part of my theory (about Gene going into hiding) has been debunked with this picture http://imgur.com/a/3g68k of a Eugene Kusche who is most likely the same Eugene.
Making A Murderer Update 30: Suspect George Zipperer
In recent weeks, a suspect in Making a Murderer has become George Zipperer. A call between detectives Weigart and Remiker indicated that Teresa Halbach may have stopped at the Zipperer property after visiting Stephen Avery’s yard. When questioned by the police, Zipperer lied about his own activities and denied Teresa had ever been there.
A local source close to the events, posted a theory on Reddit under the name Escvelocity:
My theory is that George Zipperer shot Teresa thinking she was trespassing. The Zipperers called chief deputy Eugene Kusche, because they knew him personally. Eugene then contacted deputies Lenk and Colburn, then it was all downhill from there. However, Steven Avery retained excellent attorneys and threw a wrench into things by pushing the framing defense.
According to the Zipperers’ Wiki page:
The Zipperers live at 4433 County Trunk B, near route 310, south of the Avery salvage yard. JoEllen lived at the property with her husband George, daughter, and grandson Jason.
At trial JoEllen testified that she thinks Halbach was there "mid-afternoon," "maybe around 3:00", which was an estimate. She was there for about 15 minutes. She did not say where she was going next. She left a message prior to arriving "that she was having trouble finding our house, but I was outside so I didn't hear it until later, after she was gone. But she found the place." JoEllen did not see Teresa leave.
Teresa could have arrived as early at 2:30pm, could have been 3:00 or a little after. JoEllen was outside raking in the garden and not wearing a watch.
When police called twice on November 3, George Zipperer spoke to them.
Outside the presence of the jury and witness, Dean Strang told the court that Corporal (Leslie) Lemieux of the Calumet County Sherriff's Department made a report that shows she started working on the missing person investigation at about 5:00 on November 3. She reports a call to George Zipperer where he is belligerent on the phone. There is also a report of Investigator John Dedering of Calumet calling at about 9:40pm, says George is extremely belligerent. Strang says he intends to show that George lied about his own activities and Jason's activities, about whether Teresa Halbach was a trespasser, threatened to have a dog eat anyone who came onto the property, wanting Teresa Halbach arrested after being told she was a missing person, and denying that he had contacted Auto Trader or arranged for photographs of the car.
The theory now is that Teresa was at the garage looking to photograph a car and George Zipperer mistook her for a trespasser and shot her. Another source has told me that the Zipperer grandson in jail knows all the details, and is ready to reveal what his grandfather did to Teresa. Maybe Kathleen Zellner was at the wrong property with her luminol. How can anyone test the Zipperer’s original garage for blood if it has been destroyed?
Amendment: A new garage was being built in 2015 and it is finished now. The garage door is not centered on the new garage and it is on the old one. It is a new garage with a different roof pitch. This has been in progress since 2015. The garage back in 2005 - that could hold answers to Teresa's disappearance - is now gone.
http://jonsjailjournal.bl(...)30-main-suspect.html
++
theory on Reddit
COMFIRMED Gene Kusche had a close personal relationship with the Zipperers through his wife Sue. **DEBUNKED Gene faked his death and is Edwin Bruns.
I meant to say, He may have still been alive in 2015. Sorry for mix-up.
I have a very strong theory that should be followed up on with someone with more tools to investigate.
It follows the Zipperer theory; that the Zipperers were Teresa Halbachs last stop and that George Zipperer may have shot her. Motive for framing Steven for the murder would be strong enough, just based on the civil law suit Steven had against the county and Sherriff’s department. However, there may be an additional reason why they would want to frame Steven for the murder, and why they would have no problem covering for the Zipperers, if George did shoot her, and pinning it on Steven Avery & Brenden Dassey.
After Diana Shimek publicly stated that she was Jason Zipperers aunt and she knew Jason didn't have anything to do with the murder, but she felt the Grandfather George Zipperer did, I started to do a little digging. I started digging because, while searching for information about Gene Kusche's son for an unrelated matter, the last name Shimek came up frequently with my searches as in the following webpage. http://www.whitepages.com(...)Manitowoc-WI/6kjxrpp
So, I then looked into Susan/Sue Kusche-Shimek-Bruns and found this record and it shows Gene Kusche and Sue S Shimek in the same household in 2002. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KBZ7-WQ2 Here it list the members of that household. https://homemetry.com/Manitowoc+WI/10TH+ST/2001
I then researched Bruns. I found Scholastica (Sally) Bruns' Obituary. Nice information in there. http://www.legacy.com/obi(...)y.aspx?pid=170350761 A couple of Vogels are her brother in Laws, it list Edwin Bruns as her son and Edwins wife Sue Bruns. Pretty positive Darrick Bruns is Darrick Kusche and is Gene's Son and he now goes by Bruns. Why? I have a hunch that the Richard Vogel listed in her obituary might be Denis R. Vogel. Pretty sure Denis' middle name is Richard. I could be wrong though. However, what struck me was that Edwin G Bruns is listed as Sue's husband and Darrick is a grandchild.
So, I looked up Edwin G (Jerry) Bruns. Found out he lived in Manitowoc then moved to Florida. http://www.spokeo.com/Edwin-Bruns/Florida/Dunnellon/p730310251 I also found an Obituary for him. http://www.legacy.com/obi(...)y.aspx?pid=174391558
The picture displayed for his obituary looks like a young Gene Kusche. See comparisons here. http://imgur.com/yGgIf0f You would only need to acquire a yearbook or some other picture of Gene as a young man to verify. There are some strong similarities between the pictures however. Such as the bottom lip crease, chin, eyes and eyebrows.
My theory is that Gene Kusche got the ball rolling framing Steven and Dassey, because George Zipperer shot her thinking she was trespassing. The Zipperers called Gene, because they knew him personally. Gene then contacted Lenk and Colburn, then it was all downhill from there. However, Steven retained excellent attorneys and threw a wrench into things by pushing the framing defense. Eugene Kusche panicked and went into hiding assuming the name of Edwin Bruns and moved to Florida, while everyone assumed he died of a heart attack February 4th 2007, Shortly before Steven's trial. *edit fixed formatting **edit corrected date to state Gene may have still been alive in 2015 instead of 2013.
****Edit to add: I think the latter part of my theory (about Gene going into hiding) has been debunked with this picture http://imgur.com/a/3g68k of a Eugene Kusche who is most likely the same Eugene.
"A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if no one believes it."
Boeiende docu. En ze zijn tot de rechter aan toe allemaal corrupt en vooringenomen. Netflix komt toch met een vervolg dacht ik?
Allemaal cabaretteketet!
Idd.quote:
Ik vertrouw dat broertje van Theresa voor geen meter. Met z'n vooringenomenheid vanaf dag 1 en gegrijns en opgewonden gedoe voor de camera. Ik zou er anders bij staan als mijn zus zou zijn vermoord.
Ook is het raar dat de kamergenoot van Theresa niet eens om een alibi is gevraagd. Ook is het raar dat hij zich op de crime scene mocht bevinden ten tijde van het onderzoek.
Alles hieraan stinkt.
Waar gaat het toch heen met de wereld....
Die man is tegenwoordig defense attorney he.. Onbegrijpelijk xDquote:
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Is die Ken Kratz vervolgbaar?
Wat een bizarre serie 
Wel een paar punten die na al die afleveringen blijven hangen:
• Amerikanen
• Hun juridisch systeem
• Ik mag hopen dat degene die Steven heeft ondervraagd in (ik dacht) aflevering 2 inmiddels ook in de gevangenis zit of flink hard in elkaar is getrapt. Die suggestieve vraagstelling
• Kratz...need I say more
• Die broer van Teresa Alles maar aannemen wat goed valt in je eigen denkbeelden Rationeel vermogen is compleet kwijt bij die gast. kan het mij nog wel enigszins voorstellen na het verliezen van je zus.
• Die mensen in the court die dingen als: christenen, goede members van de community, welvarend enz. erbij halen om te bewijzen dat ze daarom beter zijn dan anderen
Wel een paar punten die na al die afleveringen blijven hangen:
• Amerikanen
• Hun juridisch systeem
• Ik mag hopen dat degene die Steven heeft ondervraagd in (ik dacht) aflevering 2 inmiddels ook in de gevangenis zit of flink hard in elkaar is getrapt. Die suggestieve vraagstelling
• Kratz...need I say more
• Die broer van Teresa
Alles maar aannemen wat goed valt in je eigen denkbeelden Rationeel vermogen is compleet kwijt bij die gast. kan het mij nog wel enigszins voorstellen na het verliezen van je zus.• Die mensen in the court die dingen als: christenen, goede members van de community, welvarend enz. erbij halen om te bewijzen dat ze daarom beter zijn dan anderen
Ja inderdaad Amerikanen. Gelukkig komt er nog een vervolg want er klopt het één en ander niet.quote:Op zondag 21 februari 2016 20:54 schreef Syntix het volgende:
Wat een bizarre serie
Wel een paar punten die na al die afleveringen blijven hangen:
• Amerikanen
• Hun juridisch systeem
• Ik mag hopen dat degene die Steven heeft ondervraagd in (ik dacht) aflevering 2 inmiddels ook in de gevangenis zit of flink hard in elkaar is getrapt. Die suggestieve vraagstelling
• Kratz...need I say more
• Die broer van Teresa
• Die mensen in the court die dingen als: christenen, goede members van de community, welvarend enz. erbij halen om te bewijzen dat ze daarom beter zijn dan anderen
Wil nog één puntje toevoegen aan je lijstje:
• Innocent until proven guilty?
https://mobile.twitter.com/ZellnerLaw
Zijn geen misselijke tweets trouwens..
vrijdag 6 mei 2011 11:06 schreef Psy-freak het volgende:
Ik heb net serieus - door mc.chicken - een kipburger gehaald bij de supermarkt. :')
Ik heb net serieus - door mc.chicken - een kipburger gehaald bij de supermarkt. :')
Zellner maakt een heel goed punt. De moordenaar verbrand het lichaam maar laat de auto met bloed intact. Ook maakt hij zijn huis zo schoon dat er geen bloed of DNA meer in het huis en in de garage te vinden zijn. Maar maanden later wordt er wel een kogel gevonden met DNA (geen bloed) van het slachtoffer.quote:Op maandag 29 februari 2016 20:41 schreef Mc.Chicken het volgende:
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Ja inderdaad Amerikanen. Gelukkig komt er nog een vervolg want er klopt het één en ander niet.
Wil nog één puntje toevoegen aan je lijstje:
• Innocent until proven guilty?
https://mobile.twitter.com/ZellnerLaw
Zijn geen misselijke tweets trouwens..
The creators of the documentary have announced that there will be a second season. They haven't quit recording their meetings with Avery and have built up a decent amount of content.
ah mooiquote:
The creators of the documentary have announced that there will be a second season. They haven't quit recording their meetings with Avery and have built up a decent amount of content.
freaky040 wil dat t volgende week al begint geloof ik en dan iedere week een ep, want ja, da kan toch
Ik heb begrepen dat ze tot 11 maart de tijd hebben om stukken in te dienen en dat er daarna het een en ander gaat gebeuren, qua rechtszaken. Spannend.
wannabe Yi-Long zijn grootste fan!
Droeftoeter, lezen is ook een kunst...quote:
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ah mooi
freaky040 wil dat t volgende week al begint geloof ik en dan iedere week een ep, want ja, da kan toch
Allemaal cabaretteketet!
Ook bijzonder: http://www.mirror.co.uk/n(...)-avery-named-7491877twitter:ZellnerLaw twitterde op zondag 06-03-2016 om 22:09:48 Cellphone tower records of SA & TH provide airtight alibi for him. She left property he didn't. #MakingAMurderer #UnmakingAMurderer reageer retweet
Cellphone tower records of SA & TH provide airtight alibi for him. She left property he didn't. De deadline om nieuw bewijs aan te leveren ligt voor Zellner op aanstaande vrijdag.
Nou ja, dat bewijst technisch gezien toch alleen maar dat zijn telefoon de property niet heeft verlaten? Ik geloof best dat Steven onschuldig is hoor, maar "airtight alibi"? Tenzij hij zelf ermee aan het bellen was dan.
Hij heeft die bewuste avond in elk geval meerdere gesprekken gehad met z'n toenmalige vriendin (die vast zat). Al waren die met de 'landline' en niet met z'n mobiel.quote:
Nou ja, dat bewijst technisch gezien toch alleen maar dat zijn telefoon de property niet heeft verlaten? Ik geloof best dat Steven onschuldig is hoor, maar "airtight alibi"? Tenzij hij zelf ermee aan het bellen was dan.
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Maar dat was al bekend, dus kennelijk was er volgens de prosecution nog voldoende tijd om haar te vermoorden...quote:
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Hij heeft die bewuste avond in elk geval meerdere gesprekken gehad met z'n toenmalige vriendin (die vast zat). Al waren die met de 'landline' en niet met z'n mobiel.
Al ban ik wel reuze benieuwd naar het echte verhaal, mocht blijken dat Steven idd onschuldig is.
The tweet seems to say that Halbach's phone was used after her visit to Avery's Manitowoc County auto-salvage yardquote:
Nou ja, dat bewijst technisch gezien toch alleen maar dat zijn telefoon de property niet heeft verlaten? Ik geloof best dat Steven onschuldig is hoor, maar "airtight alibi"? Tenzij hij zelf ermee aan het bellen was dan.
"A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if no one believes it."
Hoe kan dit nieuwe info zijn, dat hoort toch al lang onderzocht te zijn?quote:
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The tweet seems to say that Halbach's phone was used after her visit to Avery's Manitowoc County auto-salvage yard
Kein gewalt! Wir sind das volk!
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
Alleen jammer dat het niet zoveel zegt waar haar telefoon op een bepaald moment is. Aangezien dat niet bewijs dat zij bij haar telefoon was.quote:Ook bijzonder: http://www.mirror.co.uk/n(...)-avery-named-7491877twitter:ZellnerLaw twitterde op zondag 06-03-2016 om 22:09:48 Cellphone tower records of SA & TH provide airtight alibi for him. She left property he didn't. #MakingAMurderer #UnmakingAMurderer reageer retweet
De deadline om nieuw bewijs aan te leveren ligt voor Zellner op aanstaande vrijdag.
