Olieprijs op 55 dollar; OPEC verlaagt productie

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Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 12:07 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Met olie >$100 zijn opeens een hoop onrendabele velden rendabel geworden. Als de olieprijs verder stijgt naar bijv $200 dan wordt dat nog veel meer. Daardoor kan 'peak oil' wel eens wat verder weg liggen dan velen denken. Oliemaatschappijen rekenen nu nog steeds met $60 olie ofzo. Maar als men ervan overtuigd is dat de hoge olieprijs blijvend is dan zullen er meer investeringen komen in velden die voorheen niet rendabel waren. Zal overigens wel even duren voordat dat online komt.

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Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 12:35 schreef RM-rf het volgende:

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en dat noem je snel?

man, die column geschreven op een prijsontwikkeling die in een halve dag plaatsvind en dat wil je direkt gaan verbinden met een aanbod-effect dat we 'zullen merken' in 5 jaar ?

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Alles leuk en aardig, maar het 'pieken' van de olieproductie is ook niet iets dat je op het moment van en piek direkt zult merken en pas achteraf aantoonbaar kan zijn als je daadwerkelijk macro-effecten kunt traceren op bv grafieken van productie-ontwikkeling..

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verder, het zou een absoluut unicum zijn als er daadwerkelijk een piek zou ontstaan door een echte 'onmogelijkheid' te winnen...
de meeste pieken in bv productie van grondstoffen ontstaan vooral doordat alternatieven relatief gunstiger worden en veelal ook beter winbaar of andere voordelen blijken te hebben, hierdoor daalt de afhankelijkheid van een bepaalde grondstof
er is een algemeen bekend effect bij natuurlijke grondstoffen dat de prijs hiervan na een eventuele piek juist verder daalt... dat is ook zo bij bv kolen dat de voorganger was van olie als 'energie-grondstof', en allle grondstoffen die in de voorgaande geschiedenis de 'hoofddrager' waren van de economische vooruitgang.

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Er bestaat overigens helemaal niet waarnaar we moeten 'streven' behalve dat de mens bepaalde financiele en economische mogelijkheden heeft en het een evolutionair proces is dat die volkeren het verste komen (of domweg hun voortbestaan kunnen verzekeren) die effectief het best gebruik maken van hun toegang tot bepaalde grondstoffen of productie-markten

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“Considering the many productive uses of petroleum, burning it for fuel is like burning a Picasso for heat.”
—Big Oil Executive

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Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 13:33 schreef RM-rf het volgende:
het is echter verder gewoon en gegeven dat zal ontstaan door verdere innovatie van bestaande technieken en natuurlijk... iedere verdere technologische innovatie bouwt nu net weer nieuwe afhankelijkheden in... maar dat is eigen aan de mensheid en begonnen vanaf het moment dat er 'culturen' ontstonden die op basis van gecultiveerde' productietechnieken in hun voedselvoorziening gingen voorzien (rond 10.000 v chr. , wat samengaat met het ontstaan van georganiseerde religie-vormen, de uitvinding van de landbouw en bv ook die van het schrift en het ontstaan van vaste nederzettingen e.d.)

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vast leuk om uit een soort van 'principe' zulke ideeen aan te halen, maar veel realsime zit er niet achter en dan heb ik meer vertrouwen in juist die marktwerking van een bedrijfsopzet die domweg de verantwoordelijkheid tegenover andeelhouders hebben om gedane investeringen ook weer terug te winnen.... (en nee, ik ben geen groot gelover in marktwerking tegen alles in, of een vrijemarkt-utopist)

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Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 14:00 schreef RM-rf het volgende:
als je dacht dat je auto kon rijden zonder dat technologische inovatie je daartoe de mogelijkheid in de eerste plaats geboden heeft, mis je ergens wat ....

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jouw hele leven, en dat van 99,9% van alle mensen op deze planeet (ja zelfs in de meest achteraf liggende gebieden muv. die volkeren die kennelijk nooit gecultiveerde technieken ontwikkeld hebben als landbouw) is gebaseerd op die voortdurende technologische innovatie..

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en wil de mens zijn voortbestaan verzekeren is hij ook per definitie afhankelijk van een voortdurend verdergaande ontwikkeling... dat te willen ontkennen is domweg essentuiele eigenschap van de 'cultuur'-basis van het menselijk bestaan niet willen zien (ik gebruid aar de term 'cultuur' in de vorm van het tegengestelde van 'natuur': "In brede zin wordt het gebruikt voor 'alles wat door de samenleving wordt voortgebracht'. 'Cultuur' wordt dan tegenover 'natuur' gesteld.")

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Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 14:49 schreef Basp1 het volgende:

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Nou zoveel zonnecellen hebben we ook weer niet nodig, ongeveer een oppervlakte ter grootte van frankrijk om met de huidge zonnecellen de hele wereld van net zoveel energie als we nu gebruiken te voorzien.

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A petroleum executive suggested Thursday that Gov. Sonny Perdue should cancel Saturday's football game between Georgia and Alabama.
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"That gas needs to be used for people to go to work, and for people to take care of their families," Pitfield told WGAU in Athens.

The governor's office quickly rejected the idea.

"The governor is not going to consider a ridiculous idea like this,” Perdue spokesman Bert Brantley said late Thursday. “We’re also not going to stop living our lives. People understand there are common-sense things they can do.”

UGA Police Chief Jimmy Williamson said fans who can't make a round trip on one tank should stay home.

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Gas shortages are afflicting drivers across the Southeast. Some of the problems were caused by Hurricane Ike affecting oil production and refining along the Gulf Coast, but empty gas pumps also are being blamed on the consumers themselves.
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Asheville, North Carolina
City officials in Asheville have closed the civic center, parks and offices because of the gas shortage, CNN affiliate WHNS-TV reports.
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Athens, Georgia
A petroleum executive suggested that the football game between the University of Georgia and University of Alabama should be canceled this weekend because fans could drain all the gas in the Athens area, WSB-TV in Atlanta reported.
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Atlanta, Georgia
Ray Sheffied's gas station had been open 24 hours a day, seven days a week for 13 years. But the streak ended when a lack of supply forced him to close early, WGCL-TV in Atlanta said.
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Charlotte, North Carolina
Drivers camped out overnight in the hope that a shipment of gas would arrive at a station in Charlotte, WSOC-TV found.
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Raleigh, North Carolina
North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley promised that more gas was on the way from other states, but WXII-TV found many stations dry or with only one or two grades of fuel left.

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NEW YORK (Fortune) -- While Congress and Bush administration officials have been working to complete a bailout plan and stem the financial contagion on Wall Street, a different kind of economic crisis emerged across the South this week: A severe, hurricane-related gasoline shortage has curtailed trucking from Atlanta to Asheville, N.C., and created a wave of panic buying among motorists.

The return of gas lines has largely flown under the radar of politicians who are usually keenly attuned, because their constituents are, to what's going on at the pump. But more of the Capitol gang should be paying attention to this.

That's because nationwide our gasoline inventory is shockingly low. Liquidity must be restored soon to this market, or we could be facing a crippling run on the gasoline bank. And if you think Americans are outraged about Wall Street, wait until their Main Street grocery store doesn't get the bread and milk delivery for a week or two.

Back to the '70s

The scenes over the past several days in places like Nashville, Tenn., Anniston, Ala., and western North Carolina looked like file footage from 1979 - with bags over empty gas pumps and quarter-mile long lines of cars waiting to fill up at stations that hadn't run out. AAA reported that drivers were so desperate that they were following tankers to gas stations to ensure a fill-up.
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A bigger problem
But while the current shortages can be traced directly to the two hurricanes, the severity of the problem points out a bigger issue: The U.S. has been operating for a while with razor-thin spare gasoline capacity.
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As he (Matt Simmons) told me the other day: "If we end up having gasoline shortages, the odds are about 90% that Americans will do what we always do: We'll top up our tanks. And in topping up our tanks, within three or four days we'll drain the pool dry and then within seven days we'll run out of food."

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GASTONIA, N.C. -- Tuesday night, paramedics hoping to fuel their ambulances in Gaston County ran into a minor emergency of their own.

Gas pumps were open, but there was no gas to get out of them, diesel or otherwise.
The assistant director of emergency services, Jeff Waldrep, said finding gas in Gaston County is “kind of like a shell game.” It’s anyone’s guess where there might be fuel.

Places that used to always have gas now have only give apologies for being empty.

Waldrep said the problem has not interrupted emergency services in part because workers have started keeping a log of where they can find gas.

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Op zaterdag 27 september 2008 10:17 schreef El_Matador het volgende:
De olie is nog lang niet op, maar het verbruik moet omlaag.

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ORLANDO — Barack Obama and John McCain are promising voters a Tomorrowland of electric cars and high-speed trains and solar panels, a vision of American life without a drop of imported oil.

But their plans to get there look more like Fantasyland.

A host of energy policy experts agree that true "energy independence"—a key catch phrase of this presidential campaign—would be far more expensive and disruptive than either candidate is telling you.

Our oil addiction hamstrings America's foreign policy and military, contributes to global warming and has robbed the nation of trillions of dollars. One of the country's leading energy modelers estimates that foreign-oil dependence cost our economy $750 billion this year, a little more than the daunting price tag of the proposed Wall Street bailout.
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Experts suggest the candidates are wildly understating the cost and time that true independence would require. The transition to a national life without imported oil appears so expensive that none of more than a dozen scientists and scholars interviewed by the Tribune could calculate a price tag. Only one even ventured a ballpark guess: $1 trillion to $2 trillion.
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Presidents and candidates have promised energy independence since the oil shocks of the early 1970s. To see why they all failed, and why the goal is so daunting for this year's contenders, it helps to examine what it would take for one fast-growing American city to achieve "independence" within a generation.
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In one scenario, Americans abandon sprawl and freeways for high-density, public-transit-powered urban living. In the second, we keep our exurban commutes but make them in cars that use little or no gasoline—super-efficient hybrids, perhaps fueled by electricity or biofuel or hydrogen. Many experts predict a mix of the two.
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McCain's energy speeches emphasize domestic oil drilling, which would replace a small fraction of imports, and building a fleet of nuclear power plants—which would only reduce foreign dependence significantly if America converted to electric cars.
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"To truly woo us away from oil, you're looking at somewhere between 1 and 2 trillion dollars," says Charles Ebinger, a longtime energy consultant in developing nations who now directs the Energy Security Initiative at the Brookings Institute. Compared to what dependence costs the economy, he adds, the nation can afford it.
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"History teaches that if we relent, believing that the problem has been solved, our oil dependence problem is likely to return."

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The welcome sign is going out to oil and gas companies off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts.

A quarter-century ban on offshore exploration expires in this coming week, but don't expect to see a chain of drilling platforms from the beaches anytime soon.

It will take a couple of years, at least, before any oil or natural gas leases are issued, years more before any oil is found and perhaps a decade before any of it begins to flow to refineries.
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While the freeze ends this Wednesday, the start of the new budget year, oil and gas companies are not revving up their seismic monitoring boats — much less their drilling rigs.

"We do think ... the reserves are significant, so we're very interested in having those areas open for exploration," said Marvin Odum, president of Shell Oil Co., a dominant player in deep-water oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico.

The available data "shows good resources on both coasts," Odum said in a recent meeting with reporters, adding that other companies as well as his own would be interested in pursing those areas. But he also said he is "keeping a close eye" on what the government does next.

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ELK POINT, S.D. — The United States hasn’t built an oil refinery on a new site in more than 30 years, but a pair of projects eyeing out-of-the way corners of South Dakota and Arizona are slowly working their way up to the big leagues.
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“It’s been more cost-effective to expand than to build new, and it makes sense because you have a lot of the existing infrastructure in place,” said Cindy Schild, refining issues manager for the American Petroleum Institute.

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Op zondag 28 september 2008 17:49 schreef El_Matador het volgende:
Rijswijk produceert volgens mij al jaren niet meer. En op de Noordzee is het toch voornamelijk gas.

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Op zondag 28 september 2008 19:33 schreef El_Matador het volgende:

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Er wordt genoeg gezocht. Je kan niet produceren wat er niet is.

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Unleaded 26-Sep
Beginning Inv 178.7
Imports 9.1 1.3 (week, p/dag)
Production 60.9 8.7 (week, p/dag)
Available 248.7
Ending Inv 179.6
Balance 69.1
Balance/day 9.87
Prod Supplied 8.9
Actual Change 0.9

Distillates 26-Sep
Beginning Inv 125.4
Imports 1.365 0.195 (week, p/dag)
Production 25.9 3.7 (week, p/dag)
Available 152.665
Ending Inv 123.1
Balance 29.565
Balance/day 4.22
Prod Supplied 3.8
Actual Change -2.3

Crude Oil 26-Sep
Beginning Inv 290.2
Production 27.727 3.961 (week, p/dag)
Imports 63 9 (week, p/dag)
Total Available 380.927
Provided to Ref 87.5 12.5 (week, p/dag)
Ending Inventory 294.5
Actual Change 4.3

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Vraag 45 - Zijn de gegevens uit tabel 2.1 gebaseerd op de gegevens van de betreffende olieproducerende landen zelf? Zo ja, is het kabinet bekend met de vrijwel onmogelijke stijging van de oliereserves die de OPEC-landen in de jaren 80 doorvoerden in hun statistieken?

Antwoord - Tabel 2.1 is gebaseerd op de “2007 Survey of Energy resources” van het World Energy Council (WEC). Het WEC is een internationale netwerkorganisatie met 94 autonome Member Committees waarin per land zo veel mogelijk verschillende partijen zijn verenigd die actief zijn op energiegebied (www.worldenergy.org). De genoemde studie is tot stand gekomen met behulp van deze Member Committees. Ook is gebruik gemaakt van veel verschillende openbare informatiebronnen. Het kabinet is bekend met de doorgevoerde veranderingen in de schattingen van de reserves bij de OPEC-landen in de jaren ’80. Dit was een gevolg van de introductie van quota-afspraken binnen de OPEC-landen. De in dat kader gehanteerde sleutels bij de verdeling van de quota hebben diverse OPEC-landen ertoe gebracht hun reserveschattingen indertijd fors ophoog bij te stellen.

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The credit crunch is already having an impact on energy markets. New projects are harder to fund. Highly leveraged companies are sometimes finding it necessary to shed assets. Some players are finding themselves to be the indirect casualties of other players, like Lehman, that have already failed. Long term, we will probably see consolidation and lower production than would have been the case without the credit crunch. Of course, if there is a major recession, it is possible that we won't need as high production.

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Some ideas that have been suggested include:

1. More work at home plans, possibly a few days a week.

2. Using a four day (or three day) work week. (See The Four Day Work Week: Sixteen Reasons Why This Might Be an Idea Whose Time Has Come.)

3. Moving closer to work.

4. Using public transit.

5. Using car pools or van pools.

6. Using a more efficient car.

7. Using a motorcycle or moped instead of a car.

8. Using a bicycle.

Of these, work at home (1), four day work week (2), and car pools (5) seem to be the lowest cost alternatives, since they do not require the addition of any other infrastructure, and do not require moving. Using a bicycle (8) is also inexpensive, and gives a person exercise as well. More use of public transit (4) requires infrastructure investment and a longer time frame. In a credit constrained environment, they may not be as feasible.

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Op vrijdag 3 oktober 2008 13:36 schreef Liewec het volgende:
Ach, olie. Alsof de techniek niet allang vervoer kan verzinnen dat niet afhankelijk van olie is. Zolang Shell en consorten onwaarschijnlijkjoen euro per jaar verdienen met olie is het allemaal gelul in de marge. Laat de olie maar z.s.m. opraken, dan kunnen we eindelijk op water gaan rijden.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. oil demand in July fell to the lowest level for the month in 11 years, with consumption 736,000 barrels per day less than previously estimated and down 1.335 million bpd from a year earlier, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
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U.S. highway travel fell by 3.6 percent, or nearly 10 billion miles in July compared to the same period last year, according to a separate report this week from the Transportation Department.

The decline was less than the drop of 5 percent, or 12.2 billion miles, reported for June.

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The supply of oil from the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (Opec) in September has fallen, the first monthly decline since April, according to survey from Reuters. The survey has indicated that output from source of two in every five barrels of oil, was falling even before it agreed at a meeting in September to trim output and prop up prices.