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Op woensdag 6 augustus 2008 11:55 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Hey allemaal!

*bloos* Dankjulliewel.....

Suko, waar we al bang vooe waren dus, alle sightings worden nu weer uit de kast getrokken en volledig geanalyseerd, Amsterdam nu dus, als dit gesprek echt heeft plaatsgevonden mag die mevrouw Stam zich de ogen uit de kop schamen, wel heel toevallig dat ook zij met naam en toenaam in de pers verschijnt.
Ik dacht dat we de tijd van smoke-screens nu wel hadden gehad.

Paddy bedoelt deze denk ik:

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Dit meisje heeft langer haar en lijkt me groter dan Maddy, die was op moment van verdwijning nog maar bijna 4 jaar oud, dit meisje is wel al 6 denk ik, als je haar vergelijkt met de man is ze te groot voor een kleuter van bijna 4.
Mja, in twee maand zoveel groeien lijkt me ook niet gezond
Nou ja, Of het nu kull is of niet. Zal in ieder geval posten wat ik er van lees

En ik vind het ook knap dat jullie het nog steeds bijhouden.
I Ask for so Little. Just Fear Me, Love Me, Do as I Say, and I Will Be Your Slave.
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  vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 @ 11:48:09 #127
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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2008 20:47 schreef Suko het volgende:

Hajo, Kahaarin en Tmaatje. Het is alleen zo opvallend, hoe zal ik het netjes omschrijven....dat de Portugese pers (en enkele andere niet Engelse media) die Britse overload aan onafgemaakte verhaaltjes, moet afmaken met het feit dat alles is gecheckt door de PJ, vaak ism andere politiecorpsen in de diverse landen. Ik vond, en dat vond Charlotte ook (Some food for thought), een vrij simpele omschrijving van John Hirst (ik moet 'm niet maar dat is niet aan de orde), en in de regel ís het ook vaak simpel:

Toetje, inmiddels over ons Dutch celebje Anna Stam: "Op kosten van de Britse tabloid The Daily Mirror zal ze vertellen dat ze Maddie 'misschien' heeft gezien." "Volgens Stam zei het meisje dat de vrouw haar had weggehaald bij haar moeder op vakantie, waar kon ze niet zeggen. Stam: ''Toen vroeg ik hoe ze heette. Ik dacht eerst dat ze 'Maggie' zei, maar ze verbeterde me: 'Ik heet Maddie'.'' Het Parool Zo, die hoeft ook geen vakantiereisje meer te boeken, en 'n fofoshootje in het vooruitzicht, goed gedaan Anna...

Puntje nog, wat zei Kate McCann op 13 August 2007 in een interview: "She hated it when we called her Maddie. She'd say 'My name is Madeleine' with an indignant look." Ik vouw helemaal dubbel....
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Pictures of Madeleine 'suspects' released


Artists’ impressions of a couple seen by a woman who reported a possible sighting of Madeleine McCann in Holland.

The first pictures of a couple seen by a woman who reported a potential sighting of Madeleine McCann in Holland were released today.


The artist's impressions, published in the Daily Mirror, were created with the help of Anna Stam.

In early May last year the 41-year-old shop assistant from Amsterdam spoke to a little girl called "Maddy" who said she had been taken from her mother while on holiday.

The sketches show a dark-featured man aged 35-40 with a moustache, who the paper said was speaking in Portuguese, and a woman in her 40s with brown hair who was speaking French.

Ms Stam's report was one of a number of potential sightings that emerged in the official police files released this week.

The girl entered Ms Stam's party shop in early May last year with a man and a woman and two other children, according to a witness statement to Dutch police.

The man – who "did not look like a nice person" – appeared to be speaking Portuguese but the woman spoke in English and told Ms Stam they had a small circus in France.

Ms Stam was at the back of the shop when the young girl approached her and asked in unaccented English: "Do you know where my mummy is?"

On being told that her mother was a little further back in the store, the child replied, "She is not my mummy," and added: "She is a stranger, she took me from my mummy."

The Dutch woman said she thought the girl looked "very much like" Madeleine apart from the colour of her hair.

Madeleine was nearly four when she vanished from her family's holiday flat in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on May 3 last year.

Private detectives working for her parents Kate and Gerry McCann were investigating Ms Stam's account as well as pursuing newly-revealed leads pointing to a possible Belgian link to their daughter's disappearance.

The McCanns' investigators are also looking into a Scotland Yard report suggesting the child may have been snatched to order for a Belgian paedophile ring, despite a warning that the intelligence is "flawed".

A woman reported seeing a young girl who looked "very much" like Madeleine with an eastern European-looking couple on a tram in Brussels 12 days after she vanished, the files reveal.

Line Compere, 31, told Belgian police she saw the blonde-haired, blue-eyed child on the number 18 tram heading towards the main Midi train station on the morning of May 15 last year.

Her suspicions were aroused because the man and woman with the youngster did not look like her, appeared to be speaking a different language from her and did not seem to know her well.
http://www.yorkshirepost.(...)-released.4371461.jp

En ze heeft nu geholpen met een schets van de 'verdachten'.
Ben benieuwd.
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Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 00:38 schreef paddy het volgende:

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Dossier Madeleine McCann openbaar
Yeps, daarom is het des te meer ergerlijk dit sinds maadag de files voor de media openbaar zijn (zie eerdere post) en in september voor iedereen, dat er vanuit de UK nog steeds wordt geschreven wat de PR-man van de McCann Clarence Mitchell 'voorschrijft.' Je kunt rustig stellen dat er heel veel te verbergen valt, waarom anders zijn die Britse journo's nog steeds niet op eigen onderzoek uit nu men zelf kan putten uit die files, ze zIjn compleet braindead, wát is er te verbergen? Het meeste nieuws lees je in de Portugese en andere buitenlandse pers die letterlijk melden wat er in de files aan feiten wordt gemeld.

Mijn opoe zei altijd, hoe groter het verhaal hoe groter de leugen.
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Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 11:48 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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http://www.yorkshirepost.(...)-released.4371461.jp

En ze heeft nu geholpen met een schets van de 'verdachten'.
Ben benieuwd.
Wat nou ook zo opvallend is, nergens wordt dat speciale oog van Medeleine genoemd, iets wat het team McCann zo benadrukt, look into her eye...Wij weten nog allemaal dat Gerry daarvan zei in de Vanity Fair (mccannfiles) én geautoriseerd: "Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or”—he grimaces—“her abductor might do something to her eye.… But in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy.”" Mevrouw Stam heeft met Maddie gesproken en dát is haar dus niet opgevallen????, What a load of crap! Ik verwijs simpelweg naar m'n eigen post. En dat blijft nog wel even doorgaan...die valse claims, breed uitgemeten, hou het in de publiciteit, maakt niet uit, áls de McCanns maar in het nieuws blijven, geeft niks als de sightings al zijn gecheckt, keep printing, selling de McCanns uhm...newspapers, niks schrijven over andere gevonden bewijzen, niks over een vermist stukje haar met DNA, per ongeluk vernietigd...niks over de weigerachtige houding van de McCanns+vrienden, hun vreemde gedrag, ssstttt.
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Judge refuses tappings on the McCann couple Correio da Manhã

Investigation - the only fingerprint on the window belongs to Kate

Text: Manuela Guerreiro 07 August 2008 Thanks to 'astro' for translation

The criminal instruction judge did not allow for ambient tapping in the villa in Praia da Luz where the McCann moved into in July last year, a short time after Maddie's disappearance. The Judiciária wanted to listen to the conversations between Kate and Gerry in a search for the possible involvement of Maddie's parents in the disappearance of the child, which took place on the 3rd of May 2007.

The McCanns moved into the Vista do Mar villa, in the Luz Parque area, when they were not arguidos yet. They only left the house on the 9th of September, when they returned to England.

The request from the Judiciária took into account a series of indicia that is mentioned in the process, including the only fingerprint that was found on the Ocean Club apartment's window of the bedroom where Maddie slept, and where she allegedly was taken through. That fingerprint belongs to Kate McCann.

The hand mark – thumb and indicator – may indicate that Kate opened it. The direction and the position of the fingers on the window indicate that it was opened towards the left. This is one more lead that was abandoned on the way, despite the glaring contradiction with Madeleine’s mother’s witness statement.

Kate is the only person who refers that the window was open. As there are no signs of a break-in or of the presence of strangers, the Polícia Judiciária looked for traces of gloves, which weren't found either. The only marking is Kate McCann's hand, given the fact that the window had been cleaned on the day before the child's disappearance by the employee who carried out the cleaning of the apartment.

In the statement that she gave to the Portuguese police right after her daughter's disappearance, Kate clearly refers that "the door to the children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters were up and the curtains were open, while she is certain that she had closed everything."

The fingerprint was registered and photographed by the Polícia Judiciária’s investigators and may indicate that Madeleine McCann's parents simulated the abduction crime.

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Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the process: "It was a very important means of evidence"

Correio da Manhã – Was it important for the investigation to listen to Kate and Gerry's conversations?


Gonçalo Amaral – It was a very important means of evidence, the last opportunity that we had to find out what they said. Even in order to set some doubts aside. The judge refused and we accepted it.

Why is Kate McCann's fingerprint relevant? Wasn't it supposed to be there?

It is the only fingerprint on the window, when she said herself that she never opened it. As there are no signs of a break-in and no signs of gloves and the window had been cleaned a short time before, it becomes relevant, mainly when they defend the theory that an abductor went through the window.

There is a denunciation in the process concerning the possibility that Maddie was abducted on demand from a Belgian paedophile ring. Did the PJ follow that lead?

Everything was analysed. It was treated in the same manner as all the other denunciations. We investigated.
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The mysterious photos 24horas

Gerry said he made copies with Maddie's image on the night of the crime

Text: Luis Maneta 07 August 2008 Thanks to 'carilina' for translation

The PJ analysed the printers at the Ocean Club and in Praia da Luz and came to the conclusion that the McCanns could never have printed the photos of their daughter there.

A set of 4 photos that the McCanns gave to the GNR on the night of the disppearance is one of the major mysteries in the process that was closed by the MP. Many references are made to these pics in the 17-volume dossier, because the type of photographs and the paper were they are printed – in a size 15.3 cm x 10.3 cm – is not "convenient for transportation" says inspector Tavares de Almeida from the PJ in Portimao, in a request he sent to the Scientific Police Lab to analyze the photos.

Inspector Joan Carlos says it was 'strange' that the family was in posession of those photos because on that night they couldn't have had the possibility to make that type of photos in that size. The PJ always wanted to know who took the photos, where they were taken and why they were taken to the Algarve.

When Kate was made arguida on Sep 7, she was questioned about the ways they were making known the face of Madeleine, just hours after her disappearance, but Kate didn't answer. Some hours later, the same question was asked to Gerry, who said the photos had been taken with a digital camera and printed in the reception of the Ocean Club through the initiative of Russell O'Brien. Gerry was making reference to hundreds of photographs that were being printed in A4 sheets in the printer of the Ocean Club as was confirmed by the manager of the complex, John Hill.

But the photos that are intriguing for the PJ are the others. The set of 4 photos that the McCanns gave to the GNR on the night of the disppearance. Gerry declared that he was not the one that had given the photos to the GNR. But the dossier contains also declarations from Sílvia Baptista, responsible for the Ocean Club who says she saw the father of Madeleine give the photos, on a poster-type paper to one of the officers of the GNR. "They were practically all similar" said Baptista. The PJ made a research of the printers available in Luz, but the sort of paper the photos of Maddie were printed on, could not be found anywhere. Nelson Costa, one of the officers in the GNR who was called on the night of 3 May, was perplexed. He told the PJ he saw several pictures of Maddie, some A4 size and others with the size of a poster, that 'couldn't have been made' in the reception of the Ocean Club.

GNR got the pics

Antonio Duarte, a commander for the GNR in Lagos, got the mysterious photos. Four equal images, in sets of two, printed on photographic paper, 15.3 cm x 10.3 cm. The military declared to the PJ that he got the photos at 2 a.m. on the 4th of May – four hours after the disappearance was reported. Antonio Duarte said he got the photos when he was sitting in a vehicle when trying to get identification data of the McCanns, but that he cannot recall who gave him the photos. He declares he's got 'an idea' that he saw Gerry McCann but that he cannot 'guarantee' that Gerry was the one that gave him the pics. Nonetheless he’s quite sure that the pics "could not have been revealed / printed on the premises of the Ocean Club".

Text under the accompanying picture: The McCanns had 4 copies of this picture, on photographic paper, and this fact intrigued the PJ, because Gerry said that the copies had been made in the Ocean Club, and they were not made there.
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Eén van de nannies schetste een iets ander beeld van de McCanns:
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Nanny criticises the McCanns 24horas

Text: Carlos Tomas 06 August 2008 Thanks to 'astro' for translation

Katriona (sic) Baker, a British citizen who worked as a nanny at the tourist resort Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Algarve, and cared for missing Madeleine McCann for several days, does not spare criticism towards the child’s parents in the statement that she gave to the English authorities.

The nanny said that she only looked after the little girl during the day and remembers that Maddie cried a lot during a boat ride in Praia da Luz and screamed "I'm scared, I'm scared", failing to understand the reasons for the fact.

And she adds: she says that as soon as she heard about the disappearance of the child she ran through all of the places where Maddie usually went when she stayed at the crèche that exists at the Ocean Club; she guarantees that she saw neither Kate nor Gerry that evening, only seeing them again on the following Saturday (Maddie went missing on Thursday). One of the questions that the PJ asked from Kate, and to which there was no answer, was related to the reasons why she stayed at home while the searches were carried out.
Ter vergelijking, een artikel in de Daily Mial uit oktober 2007 met de hartverwarmende titel: Revealed: The nanny who could help clear the McCanns' name "Ms Baker has told friends she is convinced of the McCanns' innocence. She is still in contact with Kate McCann" Ik dacht van niet...

De 'veronderstelde' laatste dag van Madeleine, bron:






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  vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 @ 13:29:20 #129
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Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 13:07 schreef Suko het volgende:

Yeps, daarom is het des te meer ergerlijk dit sinds maadag de files voor de media openbaar zijn (zie eerdere post) en in september voor iedereen, dat er vanuit de UK nog steeds wordt geschreven wat de PR-man van de McCann Clarence Mitchell 'voorschrijft.' Je kunt rustig stellen dat er heel veel te verbergen valt, waarom anders zijn die Britse journo's nog steeds niet op eigen onderzoek uit nu men zelf kan putten uit die files, ze zIjn compleet braindead, wát is er te verbergen? Het meeste nieuws lees je in de Portugese en andere buitenlandse pers die letterlijk melden wat er in de files aan feiten wordt gemeld.

Mijn opoe zei altijd, hoe groter het verhaal hoe groter de leugen.
In dit verhaal kun je lezen welke 'sightings' er allemaal in Nederland en Belgie zijn geweest, idd niemand die het oog noemt, Maddy is zowat half Europa door geweest als je dit leest en niemand die de politie heeft gewaarschuwd of moord en brand is gaan roepen op het moment zelf?
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Wat nou ook zo opvallend is, nergens wordt dat speciale oog van Medeleine genoemd, iets wat het team McCann zo benadrukt, look into her eye...Wij weten nog allemaal dat Gerry daarvan zei in de Vanity Fair (mccannfiles) én geautoriseerd: "Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or”—he grimaces—“her abductor might do something to her eye.… But in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy.”" Mevrouw Stam heeft met Maddie gesproken en dát is haar dus niet opgevallen????, What a load of crap! Ik verwijs simpelweg naar m'n eigen post. En dat blijft nog wel even doorgaan...die valse claims, breed uitgemeten, hou het in de publiciteit, maakt niet uit, áls de McCanns maar in het nieuws blijven, geeft niks als de sightings al zijn gecheckt, keep printing, selling de McCanns uhm...newspapers, niks schrijven over andere gevonden bewijzen, niks over een vermist stukje haar met DNA, per ongeluk vernietigd...niks over de weigerachtige houding van de McCanns+vrienden, hun vreemde gedrag, ssstttt.

Eén van de nannies schetste een iets ander beeld van de McCanns:
Hier wordt zelfs gesuggereerd dat het om een Nederlands stel gaat.
Dat beeld wat door Katriona van de McCanns wordt geschetst lijkt me wat meer richting de waarheid te gaan dan wat de pers in GB ons wil doen geloven......
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Ter vergelijking, een artikel in de Daily Mial uit oktober 2007 met de hartverwarmende titel: Revealed: The nanny who could help clear the McCanns' name "Ms Baker has told friends she is convinced of the McCanns' innocence. She is still in contact with Kate McCann" Ik dacht van niet...
Spin, spin, spin, altijd leuk om woorden in de mond van anderen te leggen.....
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De 'veronderstelde' laatste dag van Madeleine, bron:

Kijk, dit is allemaal wel leuk en aardig maar zegt natuurlijk niets over wat er later is gebeurd, die nannies hadden het natuurlijk druk met de kinderen en hebben niet als een waakhond de omgeving in de gaten gehouden.
Er is hun niets opgevallen omdat het natuurlijk allemaal zo normaal ging, de kinderen zijn een dagje naar het strand geweest, toch wel weer typisch dat dit zo belicht wordt en er benadrukt is dat er niets aan de hand was.

Wat mij zo opvalt is dat er nadrukkelijk wordt gesproken over een pedo-ring en dat ze op bestelling is geroofd, dit nu na een tip van iemand aan Scotland Yard, waarom nu pas? Waarom is dit niet eerder naar boven gekomen?
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Information released this week by Portuguese police showed that Scotland Yard passed on a tip-off from an informant to its specialist vice unit who said a photograph of the child on holiday in Portugal was taken and passed to a "purchaser" in Belgium days before she vanished on May 3, 2007.
be nice or go away
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Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 13:29 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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In dit verhaal kun je lezen welke 'sightings' er allemaal in Nederland en Belgie zijn geweest, idd niemand die het oog noemt, Maddy is zowat half Europa door geweest als je dit leest en niemand die de politie heeft gewaarschuwd of moord en brand is gaan roepen op het moment zelf?
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Hier wordt zelfs gesuggereerd dat het om een Nederlands stel gaat.
Dat beeld wat door Katriona van de McCanns wordt geschetst lijkt me wat meer richting de waarheid te gaan dan wat de pers in GB ons wil doen geloven......
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Spin, spin, spin, altijd leuk om woorden in de mond van anderen te leggen.....
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Kijk, dit is allemaal wel leuk en aardig maar zegt natuurlijk niets over wat er later is gebeurd, die nannies hadden het natuurlijk druk met de kinderen en hebben niet als een waakhond de omgeving in de gaten gehouden.
Er is hun niets opgevallen omdat het natuurlijk allemaal zo normaal ging, de kinderen zijn een dagje naar het strand geweest, toch wel weer typisch dat dit zo belicht wordt en er benadrukt is dat er niets aan de hand was.

Wat mij zo opvalt is dat er nadrukkelijk wordt gesproken over een pedo-ring en dat ze op bestelling is geroofd, dit nu na een tip van iemand aan Scotland Yard, waarom nu pas? Waarom is dit niet eerder naar boven gekomen?
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Exact Kahaarin, wat die route betreft, niet voor niets schreef ik veronderstelde tussen aanhalingstekens, ik heb nog nog de gedachte dat Madeleine mogelijk eerder dan 3 mei is gestorven, pffff, wat een naar iets om op te schrijven, damn! Nogal logisch trouwens dat de reconstructrie niet doorging, ik heb zo'n vermoeden dat naast die vrienden er nog meer getuigen zouden komen opdraven en dan zou vermoedelijk 'uitkomen' waar een ieder was op welk moment op die avond. Er is zoveel niet onderzocht wegens blokkering vanuit de UK, naast natuurlijk fouten van de PJ. Ze hebben te lang gefocust op een ontvoering en waren te bang (enorme druk van de UK) enige verdenking te leggen op de McCanns en de vrienden. Dat schreef Amaral ook al. It's a bloody bloody shame... Charlotte met een achter-de-oor-krabbende observatie wat betreft dat pedofielen-netwerk:
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McCanns paedophile claim I have been waiting patiently for one journalist with a backbone to ask the obvious – the very one thing that has stuck in my mind for many months – yet so far there has been nothing mentioned.

So...

...Taking the latest ‘news’ with regard:

"Intelligence suggests that a paedophile ring in Belgium made an order for a young girl three days before Madeleine McCann was taken.

"Somebody connected to this group saw Maddie, took a photograph of her, and sent it to Belgium.

"The purchaser agreed that the girl was suitable, and Maddie was taken"

This has now of course been announced to have no substance to it, but notice how quick the tabloids jumped on it: “The astonishing revelation supports Kate and Gerry McCann’s theory that their eldest child may have been taken by a child smuggling ring.”

They (and Mr Mitchell for that matter) seem quick to make this connection with Madeleine’s disappearance – why? Simply because Gerry and Kate McCann said that Madeleine was abducted ‘to order by a paedophile gang?’ As simple as that? No questions asked?

Do the newspapers and Mr Mitchell realise what they are implying by making this sort of connection to back the McCanns unsubstantiated claim?

Let us take a look at this:

If the McCanns abduction claim is true then what, exactly, made the McCanns believe a paedophile or paedophile gang was behind Madeleine’s disappearance? So far they have offered no reasonable explanation why they should believe this.

What they have offered:

*The window shutter was tampered with

*Cuddlecat placed on a high shelf out of Madeleine’s reach (even though there is no high shelf)

* Gerry McCann later suggests that he thinks the ‘abductor’ was in the apartment during his apparent last check because the door was slightly ajar.

*(And later) The McCanns stated that they had a feeling they had been watched during the course of their holiday (yet still left the children alone every evening)

All four offered ‘explanations’ merely suggest that Madeleine may have been taken by a person or persons unknown – there’s certainly nothing to suggest or substantiate their claim that Madeleine had been taken to order by a paedophile or paedophile gang.

So why make the suggestion when they can give no evidence to back their claim?

What made the parents of a missing child think along those rather disturbing lines from the beginning?

And how is it that during their ‘grief’ of finding their daughter missing - especially so soon after Madeleine disappeared - could they even contemplate something as horrific as this let alone bring themselves to utter the words in public. Unless, dare I say, they are immune to such subjects.
Subtiel maar altijd to the point, excellent, IMO. Ik voeg er zelf nog maar wederom aan toe dat er géén bewijzen zijn van een ontvoering.

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Leuker wordt het niet
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  vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 @ 16:25:40 #132
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Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 14:05 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
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Oh, het zal toch niet he, toevallig dat ze weer op de McCanns lijken.....
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  vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 @ 17:00:57 #133
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Dit is ze dus:

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Private detectives working for her parents, Kate and Gerry, are investigating Ms Stam's account, as well as pursuing newly revealed leads pointing to a possible Belgian link to the youngster's disappearance
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Bron.
be nice or go away
  vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 @ 19:11:04 #134
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Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 14:05 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
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OMG... zoek de verschillen....
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 14:05 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
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Ik vouw wat dubbel dat laatste tijd.... Maar naast dat die Anna Stam dat speciale oog van Madeleine niet is opgevallen terwijl ze dat meisje toch wat vragen stelde, en zoals Kate al eerder duidelijk stelde dat het Madeleine moet zijn, zegt ook Clarence Mitchell zelf: "Madeleine called herself 'Madeleine', and that was very much the name in the family as well, so that makes us wonder if this was indeed Madeleine."

Maar dat kan allemaal niet schelen, men denkt dat het publiek een verstand en geheugen heeft van nul komma nul, gewoon uitbuiten die info, selling the news zoals The Guardian doet: "The Guardian has admitted it mistakenly bought the keywords Madeleine McCann from Google. By wrongly purchasing the keywords a link to the paper's coverage of Madeleine's disappearance appeared in a column of sponsored results when a search for her name was made on Google." De rest >>> hier. Daar maakte mccannfiles melding van. Die site van Nige is echt goed, voor alle achtergronden, inclusief de tabloid-nieuws, dat geeft een goed beeld waar het team McCann mee bezig is....

Nog een quootje op de site van Reis en Levy: "The Telegraph, quoting the McCanns' spokesperson, Clarence Mitchell, states that the, "revelation," reinforced Kate and Gerry McCann's theory that their daughter would have been abducted by an international network. Anna Stam, a shopkeeper in Amsterdam, the same town where Kate and Gerry McCann lived before the birth of the twins, is one amongst many Dutch people who contacted the police maintaining that they had seen Madeleine, but, each time, the lead turned out to be false. Concerning all these witness statements, not only in the Netherlands, but in the rest of the world, the PJ had notably requested support from Interpol.

A fax sent from Lyon, European headquarters of the organisation, and which is in the documents that all the journalists have received (including the British) places all the resources of the organisation at the disposal of the Portuguese authorities. Given that the Dutch witness statement is not a unique case, it is probably necessary to wait for other, "revelations," because Madeleine remains the only missing child who has succeeded in being seen on every continent, sometimes on the same day."

More more more Clarence Mitchell, come on, bombard us with new E-fits, stinking Portugees sardines, lonely women who spotted Maddie, another pedophile network! What about Sweden, lots of little blond girls...more more more Clarence Mitchell! Pffff.....

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Yes! Daar hebben we de Marokkanen weer in beeld, was al wat zorgelijk dat ze Noord-Afrika ff waren vergeten, die zijn er ook in Belgie...jammer, dat oog niet gezien.
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SOS Madeleine McCann: Security guard says he saw Madeleine last Monday in Brussels Exclusive. A security guard attached to security at the headquarters of the KBC bank in Brussels, in the urban district of Molenbeek-Saint-Jean, states that last Monday, August 4th, he saw a young blond girl with blue eyes who, according to him, was Madeleine McCann.

The security guard did not fill out his report the same day, but finally informed his superiors that he had informed the police the day before. The witness was interviewed by the Federal Police, who also seized video surveillance images of the outside of the building.

The guard didn't notice the distictive feature like Madeleine's in the child's eye, but gave a clear description of age, height and clothes. According to his report, the little girl was accompanied by a woman of North African origin, aged between 30 and 40, dressed in European style, but wearing a headscarf, which is probably explained by the existence of a large community of Moroccan origin in the area.

According to the witness statement, the little girl was speaking English, because in the middle of a sentence, the witness heard, "I go back." Given the emotion aroused by the case, and the recent information from the British media, speculating about a Belgian paedophile network behind Madeleine's disappearance, the number of people saying they have seen the little girl is in danger of going up, which is meanwhile confirmed by this new witness statement.

In Portugal, a senior PJ officer, contacted by telephone, said he had confidence in the, "independent and effective," investigation by the Belgian authorities, who had already been confronted with other witness statements. Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis Bron
Clarence Mitchell for president!

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Pfff, om maar eens 'gezellig' het weekend te beginnen, wat foto's uit de vrijgegeven files, in z'n context geplaatst door Charlotte, dezelfde foto's zijn te zien op Sky News, zo meldt ze in haar commentaar:
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Photograph of Blood Spatter in McCann Apartment - by 'Himself'

I sometimes pop across to The McCann Gallery (satirical images), especially when I am feeling at odds with the online news – ‘Himself’ has an artistic way of letting off steam and getting his point across ("never a truer word said in jest") ... but this morning I was taken by surprise with a particular image, not satirical, very much serious. My heart sank as realisation hit me.

Amid all the spin currently been spun about paedophile rings and kidnappers in Belgium, this one photo brought things back into perspective.

The photo and article by ‘Himself’ is as follows: Photograph of Blood Spatter in McCann Apartment

Forgive the lurid headline but it is the best way to ensure that once this photo is catalogued by the Google bot it won't disappear out of the public eye, and while I am about it isn't that cuddlecat lying in Madeleine's bed, high shelf anybody?

Poor little mite, my heart bleeds.


Note the removed floor tiles and skirting board.

Op haar blog geeft ze nog een link naar dit artikel uit aug. 2007, ik plaats de tekst in z'n geheel mocht dit artikel zomaar 'ook' verdwijnen:
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Madeleine McCann: ‘blood on the walls’
Madeleine McCann's blood has been found on the walls of the holiday flat where she slept, according to fresh reports in Portugal. Police say attempts were made to clean it off, making it likely that the four-year-old was killed, either by accident or design, in the holiday complex in Praia da Luz.

It follows revelations, 95 days on from her disappearance, that specially-trained British cocker spaniel sniffer dogs had located the smell of a dead body in the Ocean Club apartment - only possible if a cadaver had been left there for at least two hours. According to Portuguese news reports, the police have virtually abandoned the kidnap theory or any hope that she may still be alive. It now seems that the new search this week of the home of Briton Robert Murat, 33, the only official suspect in the case, was designed to eliminate him from the inquiry, say newspapers. Nothing was found and the search ended yesterday.

It is only now, with British police at the forefront of the investigation, that the new evidence has come to light. Portuguese dogs are only trained to look for evidence of life, not blood or dead bodies, because the training chemical used is too expensive for the force.

Searches of beaches have been carried out again with the sniffer dogs, and a new sweep of the McCanns' apartment is being made with ultra-violet light. The blood spots found are awaiting DNA analysis. Police now say that the next two weeks are crucial to the inquiry. Maddie's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, are still in the Algarve resort and have yet to comment on the latest developments.
Sjucht...

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Yep, allemaal onzin wat betreft die naam: "Deborah Orr - Opinion piece Independent

Deborah Orr Saturday, 9 August 2008

* One of the many gross liberties that the media have taken in their reporting of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is the widespread adoption of a diminutive epithet. No matter how often her distressed parents insisted that their daughter had always been known only as Madeleine, the fictitious intimacy of Maddie, or Maddy, endured. Now an Amsterdam shop assistant, Ana Stam, claims that she talked to a girl who told her that her name was Maddie, and that she had been stolen from her parents. Maybe the Portuguese police were remiss in failing to take seriously this sighting. But in my experience a small child thinks that her name is what her parents say it is, and not what the press has christened her." McCannfiles

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  zaterdag 9 augustus 2008 @ 12:18:04 #138
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Op zaterdag 9 augustus 2008 11:52 schreef Suko het volgende:
Pfff, om maar eens 'gezellig' het weekend te beginnen, wat foto's uit de vrijgegeven files, in z'n context geplaatst door Charlotte, dezelfde foto's zijn te zien op Sky News, zo meldt ze in haar commentaar:
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Op haar blog geeft ze nog een link naar dit artikel uit aug. 2007, ik plaats de tekst in z'n geheel mocht dit artikel zomaar 'ook' verdwijnen:
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Sjucht...

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Yep, allemaal onzin wat betreft die naam: "Deborah Orr - Opinion piece Independent

Deborah Orr Saturday, 9 August 2008

* One of the many gross liberties that the media have taken in their reporting of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is the widespread adoption of a diminutive epithet. No matter how often her distressed parents insisted that their daughter had always been known only as Madeleine, the fictitious intimacy of Maddie, or Maddy, endured. Now an Amsterdam shop assistant, Ana Stam, claims that she talked to a girl who told her that her name was Maddie, and that she had been stolen from her parents. Maybe the Portuguese police were remiss in failing to take seriously this sighting. But in my experience a small child thinks that her name is what her parents say it is, and not what the press has christened her." McCannfiles
Hey Suko , rondje anorak staat er ook vol mee:
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Madeleine McCann: With Columnists Lorraine Kelly And Deborah Orr
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

THE COLUMNISTS

LORRAINE KELLY (The Sun): “Watch your kids for Maddie’s sake”

It’s cellar-busting, tabloid bingo stalwart Lorraine Kelly:

OF all the many cruelties inflicted on Madeleine McCann’s parents, the possibility that their little girl begged an Amsterdam shop assistant for help shortly after she went missing is surely the deepest cut of all.

Begged? But it was Madeleine, right? Or Maddie as she - and the press - now know her by.

All of these cases could have been nothing more than mistaken identity, but we will never know for sure. More and more experts now believe that Madeleine, a stunningly beautiful child, was specifically targeted by a paedophile ring and “kidnapped to order”.


The experts. Or yes, them.

Without wanting to panic every parent with a cute little boy or girl under five, it is clear there are evil gangs of paedophiles who will stop at nothing to get their hands on little kids.

If only the kids weren’t so cute. Why can’t we have ugly kids? Life is soooo unfair! If paedos went for ugly kids then think of much safer and more blonde and beautiful the world would be?

I believe we desperately need some sort of Europe-wide anti-paedophile task force with enough money to be effective and enough expertise to smash these vile rings of perverts and sickos.

Something like the police? Yeah, what about a police force?

Without becoming paranoid we need to keep a watchful eye on our children and grandchildren at all times. Don’t think it could never happen to you.

It could be you. Although not if your kids are ugly, obviously.

That’s what Kate and Gerry McCann believed. They will spend the rest of their lives searching for their daughter and torturing themselves over whether she is alive or dead. And if she is still in the land of the living, just what sort of hell is she being subjected to?

Yeah, just imagine…

DEBORAH ORR (The Independent):

One of the many gross liberties that the media have taken in their reporting of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is the widespread adoption of a diminutive epithet. No matter how often her distressed parents insisted that their daughter had always been known only as Madeleine, the fictitious intimacy of Maddie, or Maddy, endured.

It’s about branding.
Now an Amsterdam shop assistant, Ana Stam, claims that she talked to a girl who told her that her name was Maddie, and that she had been stolen from her parents. Maybe the Portuguese police were remiss in failing to take seriously this sighting. But in my experience a small child thinks that her name is what her parents say it is, and not what the press has christened her.

My name is Madeleine…
http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/187593.html
Spin-spin-spin.....
be nice or go away
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Indeed Kahaarin, alhoewel veel kranten dezelfde artikelen van Clarence Mitchell krijgen toegespeeld waarin gewoon Maddie wordt genoemd. Wat kan 't schelen...Maar ff wat anders, een rooie oren-verhaal, een treffende woordspeling, leest u mee.....?

Uhm, een nogal verontrustend artikel over Operation Ore in de UK. Om het heel simpel te stellen. Men heeft duizenden creditcard-eigenaren getraceerd die kinderporno kochten (en ook mochten bekijken) via een website. Een aantal 'betrapten' wisten daar niks van omdat creditcards ook kunnen worden misbruikt maar er is al wel bewezen dat mensen veelal op regerings-niveau er mee te maken hebben. Ik wist het al eerder vaag wat van via blogs en fora, maar het plaatje lijkt iets duidelijker te worden. Meer hierover qua creditcards en kinderporno > Operation Ore

En dat dit artikel...Blackout in Britain
Alleged Pedophiles Helm Blair's War Room
by MIKE JAMES >>> ZElF LEZEN, het is tamelijk beschuldigend naar een aantal personen..... Bron Alhoewel The Guardian zich wel het volgende afvraagt: When will we know whether Operation Ore was a success? op 17 mei 2007

Dat doet mij herinneren aan dat artikel over David Payne, uit een eerdere post: Payne suspected of paedophilia

En verder is het ook toevallig dat de creditcardgevevens en andere bankzaken niet onderzocht mochten worden, gelezen op mccannfiles:
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Request to investigate Gerry’s accounts is disproportionate IOL Portugal Diário

Cláudia Lima da Costa 08 August 2008 Thanks to 'astro' for translation

English authorities did not see motives to justify bank investigation of Maddie's father

The Portuguese police requested cooperation from the English authorities to investigate Gerry McCann's bank accounts, within Maddie's disappearance. But this request was found disproportionate by the British authorities, given the fact that it covered a period of six months.

Initially, the authorities requested a clarification from the Portuguese Public Ministry, which better explained the reasons for the request: to identify if there was an unknown motive behind Maddie's disappearance and if eventually there was an individual or individuals who might be responsible for her disappearance.

The English authorities did not accept the clarification from Portugal, and in their reply letter, sent on the 16th of June, they manifest their concern with the motives that led the Portuguese authorities to request information about bank operations over a period of six months, from Maddie's father's Mastercard credit card. The period covered by the request started on the 1st of April, approximately six weeks before the child's disappearance.

Despite the official explanation from the Portuguese authorities, the English police also considered an unofficial explanation that was offered by the investigative team that traveled to England. At that point in time, the Leicestershire police was told that Gerry McCann had been seen drawing money from an automatic cash machine and talking on the phone. The Portuguese police wanted to know whether this action could be related to the disappearance.

Francs Kennah, a senior official at the 'UK Central Authority', clarifies that after pondering over the coercive measures, the cabinet does not see a motive to concede the requested authorisation, considering that the request is not justified and seems disproportionate. The British authorities solicit a new clarification from Portugal, but it is not sent and the process is archived a little over a month later.
Levy en Reis schreven overigens: "The Economic Crime Unit from Leicestershire Constabulary found no records of credit cards or loans, from Gerry and Kate McCann, who have a mortgage. All seven friends are referred as holding credit cards, with one of the couples having seven credit cards. According to the Economic Crime Unit report, no records of current bank accounts are held, from five of those nine persons, including Gerry and Kate McCann. ECU report states that there are records of loans from two of the Tapas group, and records of current bank accounts are held only from four of the seven McCann friends."

In dit artikel uit de Sunday Harold , ook over Operation Ore, worden een aantal zaken genoemd ivm kinderporno, Daarin worden ook de Soham-moorden en Fred+Rosemary West genoemd en wie heeft daar lange tijd verslag van gedaan....Clarence Mitchell. Hij schijnt er een zekere interesse in te hebben.

"His involvement with broadcast and radio reporting has often centred on late-breaking news stories and high profile crime cases – the Fred and Rosemary West murders in 1993 and the abduction of the Surrey schoolgirl Milly Dowler in 2002. Mitchell’s most recent coverage of a hard news, high-profile story was that of the Soham murders in 2002 to which he later revealed how painful it had been for him, as a father, and how he was aware of what the victim’s fam­ilies were going through." Bron

Alweer de vraag, wat is er allemaal zo obsessief te verbergen...ook door de media, this pact of silence, ook al is de samenhang in deze artikelen misschien vergezocht, maar het is allang 'rondzwevend'....vanaf het begin, die directe betrokkenheid van de diverse mensen op hoge posities in de UK, dat bevreemd velen, en niet voor niks. IMO. En tot slot deze snipper:
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British don't want the disclosure of the identities of referenced for pedophilia, in the Algarve

The British police wishes to maintain confidential the names from a list of British citizens referenced for having pedophile practices, residing in the Algarve, that were identified during the Maddie’s case investigation. This list is part of the disappearing process of Madeleine Mccann whose archiving will be announced next Monday.

The maintenance of this list under confidentiality is one of the pretensions of the English police, under the argument that the divulgation of the identities of those individuals would be an intrusion in the domain of the private life." Een vertaald stukje wat ik had opgeslagen, Bron 19-7-2008
Tja, dat leest toch ff anders nu....

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Op de site van VirginMedia (Yes, van Richard Branson, inmiddels (eind vorig jaar meen ik) teruggetrokken als geldschieterd van de McCanns). Wat stevige commentaren, nu ze er nog staan, de meeste zijn inmiddels weer verwijderd!
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bestbefore from Germany says:Aug 10, 10:10
Will Mr Brian Kennedy, owner of Sale Sharks and double-glazing entrepreneur, the man who has been funding this shoddy cover-up and paying Clarence Mitchell's salary, now be flying to Belgium to investigate? After all, he flew to Morocco to investigate the Berber-girl sighting. He flew to Portugal to 'interview' Robert Murat. And he was keen to speak to Martin Smith, the man who thought he saw Gerry carrying a child towards the beach on the night of May 3rd.
Mr Kennedy, why are you so involved in this case? What is your connection

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get em Goncalo from uk says:Aug 10, 09:42
Gerry: The iris is Madeleine's only true distinctive feature. Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or the abductor might do something to her eye. But in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy.
Gerry: one good thing to come out of all of this is that there is so much in the press, nobody knows what is true, and what isn't.
Gerry: I have no doubt we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleines disappearance in the long term.
Gerry It seems like a disaster that we've got this huge donated fund and now we're not allowed to use it for legal costs because we're under suspicion."
Maddie: "I'm afraid, I'm afraid".

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Get em Goncalo from uk says:Aug 10, 09:22
Gerry: I'm not here to enjoy myself
Kate: Well, it was our holiday too.
Kate: We were all so into each other
Kate: She'll be giving them her tuppenceworth
Gerry: We want a big event to raise awareness that she is still missing, It wouldn’t be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that (June 3, 2007)
Clarence: If she's dead, she's dead, but not by their hands
Gerry: The situation that Madeleine finds herself in.
Maddie: I'm afraid, I'm afraid

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Eddie Cadaver from uk says:Aug 10, 09:10
Why was Kate considering giving up guardianship of Maddie to a relative?
Why was Maddie heard crying and heard to say "I'm afraid, I'm afraid"
Why did Eddie and Keela find blood and death scent in their apartment and in their hire car 25 days later?
What did Gerry do with the fridge?
Why did Gordon Brown have Goncalo Amaral removed from the investigation?
Why are the PJ being portrayed as bungling fools when it is clear the British government and British media are covering up this crime?
Who is covering up this biggest crime mystery of the century and why?
Why is David Payne not being investigated after he was heard to make sexual remarks about Maddie to Gerry?
Why was Maddie afraid?
I can only hope she's safe from harms way now.
RIP Maddie.
People are seeking justice for you xx

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Lilly from HULL says:Aug 10, 09:01
I am totaly sick of this whole saga.........why dont the papers here print the truth what about David Payne and his past what about the ward of court what about the Guardainship of Maddy!! the truth will come out in the end someone will talk

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Joanne from Essex says:Aug 10, 09:01
This is just getting beyond farcical now. None of these reported sightings will ever be confirmed officially because none of them , past, present and future are Madeleine McCann.

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Lola from London says:Aug 10, 08:33
This whole thing is turning into a complete and utter farce. It's NOT ABOUT MADELEINE ANY MORE. IT'S ALL ABOUT MonEY.
The McCanns suing, Murat suing, Metodo 3 suing, Amaral suing. If only Kate & Gerry and the other Tapas group hadn't left their children alone. All I hope and pray is that little Madeleine is not suffering any more in her short life.

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Amber from uk says:Aug 10, 08:24
LOOK the camera in the EYE Kate & Gerry and TALK to your daughter!!!! When did you last do that? and wasn't eye contact very good...you could not LOOK in the camera could you? Madeleine is 5 now and IF she is alive she would be dearly missing you....lonely and waiting for your words of promise that you'll do ANYTHING: answer the 48 Q's from PJ, go back and do a reconstruction...whilst you're there hand over medical records, financial records, telephone statements as you want to cooperate Don'T you??

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paula from liverpool says:Aug 10, 08:02
Its not too late to ditch the lawyers and hangers on and volunteer,together with their holiday companions to go back to Portugal,wearing the same clothes they wore that night and help the -police solve this mystery- no need for requests to the Home Office that mysteriously get turned down -just voluntarily take with them ,phone records ,bank records, medical records. There were nine adults on that holiday in charge of eight children under the age of four they were all responsible for their own and everyone elses child in the group-the lawyer who advised them not to co-operate should be cheap because he is an idiot
En verder is Metodo 3 niet blij hoe ze in de pers zijn zijn neergezet:
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McCanns' Spanish detectives consider sueing the British press ABC.es

Published Friday, 08-08-08 a las 20:49 Thanks to 'helena' for translation

The Spanish detective agency of the McCanns, Método 3, is considering sueing several of the media in the United Kingdom to defend its "reputation and good name" after the publication of information it believes defamatory, according to an official announcement.

In the notice, sent to Efe Agency, the company with headquarters in Barcelona advances that, by proceeding by the legal route, it will arrive at (get) "all the compensation that can be claimed judicially or extra judicially from the British media in the near future" for a foundation for the protection of children.

Método 3 indicates that it has kept silent about "the attacks" from the press until the Portuguese Police closed the case - July 22 - and lifted the suspect status from Kate and Gerry McCann. The McCanns hired Método 3, directed by Francisco Frame, after their three-year-old daughter, Madeleine, disappeared in May 2007 from the apartment where she slept with her siblings in the Portuguese locality of Praia da Luz.

The summary of the case confirmed that there is no conclusive evidence on the disappearance of Madeleine. The family spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, has confirmed to Efe that the Spanish agency continues working for the couple, but its activity has been "very much reduced" due to "internationalising the search and contracting experts in other countries".

Método 3 clarifies in its notice that it never received from the McCanns "the crazy figures" in fees that the press in this country published, and assures that the fees were 60,000 Euros for six months worldwide search for Madeleine, plus expenses, giving a total of 108,306 Euros.

The Spanish agency also criticises the British press for stating that one of its founders "looked like a gangster", and indicates that this person suffers "a degenerative cerebral disease that, obviously, gives the appearance of absent-mindedness".

Método 3 assures that, contrary to what was published in the British press, nobody ever said that Maddie would be home by Christmas, but only expressed "the mere Christian desire" that "Hopefully she will be home by Christmas". Since the beginning of this year, Método 3, that led the search for Madeleine from August of 2007 until last January, has a more reduced role in the investigation of the disappearance of the little girl.

The disclosure, last Tuesday, of the summary of the case in Portugal confirmed that there is no conclusive evidence about the circumstances of the disappearance of the girl, who is considered "probably" dead.
Commentaar van Nigel :
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* Currency note:

108,306 euros = £84,627 or $162,518.

Clarence Mitchell has publicly stated that Madeleine's Fund were paying £50,000 per month to Método 3 - initially contracted on a 6-month contract, subsequently extended at a reduced rate.

By Mr Mitchell's figures, at least £300,000 has been spent on Método 3's services - yet Método 3 claim they have only received £84,627. And that figure includes expenses, which we have been led to believe were being covered by Brian Kennedy.

The substantial difference between the two sums requires a full explanation from Mr Mitchell.
Maar ik geloof er niks van dat Metodo 3 actie gaat ondernemen, dat moeten ze heel hard maken, mét ondersteuning van Brian Kennedy en Clarence Mitchell en die laatste heeft de pers overvoerd met nieuws over Metodo 3. En dan zullen er details boven tafel moeten komen en dat zal te pijnlijk zijn, en ook zullen de Portugese onderzoekers niet worden aangeklaagd, want:
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McCann will not take legal action against Portuguese Government
"Rogério Alves, former Bar Association President, told today that the McCann couple “don't see any reason to sue the Portuguese Government.” Mr. Alves said that Gerry and Kate “were obviously frustrated because they couldn't find what happened to their daughter and who was responsible for it, but they don't infer that (Portuguese) police has done a bad job, or that there is any reason to sue the Portuguese Government.” Bron
En verder wederom een bombardement van oogetuigen, een nieuwe E-fit en nog zo het een en ander aan 'hot' news...alle artikelen zijn op mccannfiles terug te vinden.

* All together then tragedy News of the World
First picture of the Tapas 7 seen together (Kate was very sad, ze was niet op de hoogte gesteld dat de vrienden naar het strand gingen, (zij was aan joggen, en Gerry dan?) zie de tekst bij deze afbeelding, de twins en Madeleine waren in de crèche)



* I was afraid to grab her News of the World

* The truth won't mend the pain News of the World

* Madeleine McCann: 'Strange Englishman' photographed children on beach Telegraph

* Stung by the Portuguese men of law Timesonline Het enige nuttige hieruit is: "Is there any evidence of children being snatched to order? Child crime experts say the kidnapping of specific children to order is extremely rare. "In general, paedophiles ask for a particular type of abuse rather than a particular child," said CEOP. "The majority of sexual abuse occurs in the home or by people the child knows." The Belgian police said: "We have never had a paedophile network like that to our knowledge, and we have not come across any cases of children being ordered by paedophiles."
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Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 14:05 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
[ afbeelding ][ afbeelding ]
Ik vond nog een mooie bewerking op websleuth.com:


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Op zaterdag 9 augustus 2008 21:58 schreef Suko het volgende:
Indeed Kahaarin, alhoewel veel kranten dezelfde artikelen van Clarence Mitchell krijgen toegespeeld waarin gewoon Maddie wordt genoemd. Wat kan 't schelen...Maar ff wat anders, een rooie oren-verhaal, een treffende woordspeling, leest u mee.....?

Uhm, een nogal verontrustend artikel over Operation Ore in de UK. Om het heel simpel te stellen. Men heeft duizenden creditcard-eigenaren getraceerd die kinderporno kochten (en ook mochten bekijken) via een website. Een aantal 'betrapten' wisten daar niks van omdat creditcards ook kunnen worden misbruikt maar er is al wel bewezen dat mensen veelal op regerings-niveau er mee te maken hebben. Ik wist het al eerder vaag wat van via blogs en fora, maar het plaatje lijkt iets duidelijker te worden. Meer hierover qua creditcards en kinderporno > Operation Ore
Ik snap dat men in dit licht niet alle CC afschriften kan krijgen, je hoort regelmatig dat er gegevens gestolen en misbruikt worden. Maar degenen die daadwerkelijk rotzooi op hun PC hadden staan zouden imho toch echt wel door de mangel mogen, des te beter als daar Tapasclanvrienden in zouden staan.
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En dat dit artikel...Blackout in Britain
Alleged Pedophiles Helm Blair's War Room
by MIKE JAMES >>> ZElF LEZEN, het is tamelijk beschuldigend naar een aantal personen..... Bron Alhoewel The Guardian zich wel het volgende afvraagt: When will we know whether Operation Ore was a success? op 17 mei 2007
Nooit, het tapijt is blijkbaar groot genoeg om alles onder te vegen.....
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Dat doet mij herinneren aan dat artikel over David Payne, uit een eerdere post: Payne suspected of paedophilia

En verder is het ook toevallig dat de creditcardgevevens en andere bankzaken niet onderzocht mochten worden, gelezen op mccannfiles:
[..]

Levy en Reis schreven overigens: "The Economic Crime Unit from Leicestershire Constabulary found no records of credit cards or loans, from Gerry and Kate McCann, who have a mortgage. All seven friends are referred as holding credit cards, with one of the couples having seven credit cards. According to the Economic Crime Unit report, no records of current bank accounts are held, from five of those nine persons, including Gerry and Kate McCann. ECU report states that there are records of loans from two of the Tapas group, and records of current bank accounts are held only from four of the seven McCann friends."

In dit artikel uit de Sunday Harold , ook over Operation Ore, worden een aantal zaken genoemd ivm kinderporno, Daarin worden ook de Soham-moorden en Fred+Rosemary West genoemd en wie heeft daar lange tijd verslag van gedaan....Clarence Mitchell. Hij schijnt er een zekere interesse in te hebben.
Wel heel apart dat alles een beetje in elkaar valt, en dan zijn ze bang voor een pedo-ring in Belgie, ze kunnen het beter iets dichter bij huis zoeken....
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"His involvement with broadcast and radio reporting has often centred on late-breaking news stories and high profile crime cases – the Fred and Rosemary West murders in 1993 and the abduction of the Surrey schoolgirl Milly Dowler in 2002. Mitchell’s most recent coverage of a hard news, high-profile story was that of the Soham murders in 2002 to which he later revealed how painful it had been for him, as a father, and how he was aware of what the victim’s fam­ilies were going through." Bron

Alweer de vraag, wat is er allemaal zo obsessief te verbergen...ook door de media, this pact of silence, ook al is de samenhang in deze artikelen misschien vergezocht, maar het is allang 'rondzwevend'....vanaf het begin, die directe betrokkenheid van de diverse mensen op hoge posities in de UK, dat bevreemd velen, en niet voor niks. IMO. En tot slot deze snipper:
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Tja, dat leest toch ff anders nu....
Tja, inderdaad, dat er iets niet helemaal lekker ruikt wisten we al, hopelijk komt de hele saga nog een keer boven water, er moet idd iemand gaan praten denk ik.

Oh ja, er is nog steeds tabloid bingo, Anorak:
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Madeleine McCann: They Call Me Maddie, In Venezuela And African Bingo
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

THE SUNDAY EXPRESS (front page): “IS THIS WHO TOOK MADDIE?”

A change in the quotidian Express story. No longer is Madeleine, “MADELEINE”. Madeleine McCann is now “MADDIE”. It’s the name the media, mostly, have dubbed her.

Maddie is what the missing child has taken to calling herself when she visits party shops in Amsterdam…

So who took her. The Express has a photfit.


NEWS OF THE WORLD (front page): “I spotted Maddie’s tell-tale eye”

This is the least savoury headline Anorak has read on the matter for some time…

“I WAS AFRAID TO GRAB HER - Witness was sure restaurant girl was Maddie but feared causing a scene”

A VITAL new witness in the hunt for Madeleine McCann has told cops: “I saw Maddie. I know it was her—I saw the unique blemish in her eye.”

Go on…

Businessman Trevor Francis is certain he spotted the missing five-year-old in Venezuela just WEEKS ago. Because of the remarkable eye detail, Gerry and Kate McCann regard this as one of the most significant sightings.

Trevor, who swears he spotted Madeleine McCann in the Caribbean just weeks ago, has told of the haunting moment he saw the tell-tale blemish in her eye.

So he called out her name and asked her if her mum was called Kate and her dad Gerry? He took a picture on a camera phone? He tugged the arm of a passing copper and told him? He asked the restaruant’s manager for the names of the adults the girl was with?

He recalled: “Her eyes met mine as I walked past and that’s when I saw the little blemish in her right eye—it was like a little fleck. I wanted to grab her or shout out her name and see what reaction I would get. But I was afraid to do anything and cause a scene. . . a huge ruckus would have erupted and it could have made things worse. I decided to get a good look to make sure it was her so I could come back to England and report it.”

Yea, that’s right. He was so certain he waited until he’d flown abck to the UK to tell anyone. Vital evidence, indeed…

Witness Trevor’s son Ben, 22, of Worthing told us last night: “My dad is a very serious, credible and intelligent man. He’s not the sort of person who would make things up. And he’d certainly never lie about something like this.”

Sure. Read all about it…

We reveal two new suspects

TODAY we reveal TWO MORE e-fits of suspects Portuguese cops refused to publicise during their investigation. Both the men above were seen acting suspiciously in the area around the McCann apartment before the kidnap.


The one on the right approached holidaymaker Iris Morgan asking for money to help “young boys and girls”. The man in sunglasses was also seen nearby by an unnamed witness. These new images emerged from the case files after two other e-fits of suspects were released last week.

SUNDAY MIRROR (front page): “MADDIE: Probe into sighting in Caribbean.”

Is the Caribbean near Belgium?

SUNDAY TIMES: “Stung by the Portuguese men of law - Evidence from files on the Madeleine McCann investigation show how badly her parents were treated by Portuguese police”

In a document translated by The Sunday Times yesterday, Tavares Almeida, a chief inspector with the Portuguese police, accused the McCanns and the friends on holiday with them of “lying”. In a memo dated September 10, Almeida noted: “The statements from the whole group result in a total lack of coherence, from which we easily conclude that they’re all lying.”

A copper was suspicious of the parents and their friends? Hmmm…

Also in the file was a letter Kate had written to Paolo Rebelo, the head of the investigation, begging to be kept informed of developments. “I am appealing to you as a fellow human being to work with us (if possible to include us) and to remember that we are Madeleine’s parents . . . lack of communication is torture,” she wrote.

She appears to have received no reply. Once again the file rams home how coldly the Portuguese had treated the family.

We need hard evidence. Got any?

Last night it was reported that a girl matching Madeleine’s description had been seen a few weeks ago in a restaurant on the Venezuelan island of Margarita. Trevor Francis, 64, a British nursing home owner, said: “Her eyes met mine as I walked past and that’s when I saw the little blemish in her right eye - it was like a little fleck.” Private investigators employed by the McCanns are understood to be making urgent inquiries into the sighting on the Caribbean island.

SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCann: ‘Strange Englishman’ photographed children on beach
A “strange Englishman” was spotted taking pictures of children on a Portuguese beach visited by Madeleine McCann just before she went missing, police files reveal.”

Oh?

According to the account in a Metropolitan police email sent to the Portuguese and Leicestershire forces, the picture was sent to a child abduction ring in Belgium, which had placed an order for a “young girl”. Having seen the image, the gang agreed that Madeleine should be taken. The files reveal that on May 9 last year – six days after Madeleine disappeared – officers interviewed Ernesto Mochacho, owner of a restaurant on Zavial beach, a 20-minute drive from Praia da Luz, which has a naturist area.

Mr Mochacho recalled seeing the McCanns with their three children for the last time at his restaurant in April. His son, who also works at the restaurant, the only one on the beach, said he told police he had seen a “tall, thin Englishman in his forties” taking photographs.

“He was weird, a strange guy,” Ivo Mochacho, 23, told The Sunday Telegraph. He said police visited the restaurant just after Madeleine vanished. “Madeleine came here for lunch with her parents not long before she disappeared,” he said. “I don’t know if this guy took a picture of Madeleine. It’s impossible to say. But he took a lot of photographs on the beach.

PUNCH (Nigeria): “A holiday to remember”

It’s Tabloid Bingo Africa!

Nine months after Madeleine McCann vanished into Portuguese air, Shannon Matthews, a nine-year-old girl, who lived a jogging distance from my neighbourhood, went missing on her way home from school.

Hear ye!

It is likely that each parent assumed the child was with the other, just like Mary and Joseph thought when the boy Jesus went missing during a trip to Jerusalem.

And on it goes…
Wel heel typisch dat niemand alarm slaat maar wel volop in het nieuws wil, script? Bingo nog niet vol?
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Indeed Kahaarin, er zijn veel aanwijzingen maar de boel blijft behoorlijk op slot. Kijk, het zou nog te begrijpen zijn dat je je omringt met de beste advocaten, als rijkerds je daarbij willen helpen, oké, niks mis mee. Maar dat niemand van die vakantie-vrienden, én de McCanns zelf niet willen meewerken, integendeel zelfs, al zou het alleen al zijn om je onschuld te bewijzen, dát gaat er bij mij niet in. Dat je zelfs een woordvoerder aanschaft om beleidslijnen uit te stippelen, en kennelijk de media mág bespelen, gaat er bij mij ook niet in. Alles druipt van het verbergen van een misdaad, en kennelijk is er wetenschap van het een en ander waardoor men elkaar in een zekere greep houdt. Het is gewoon té erg om dat naar buiten laten komen. Het is niet alleen de dood van een kind, maar wat er dan nog meer naar boven komt...IMO beschamende achtergronden die zeker het daglicht niet kunnen verdragen. Waarom geeft die miljonair en Schot Brian Kennedy (is trouwens een Jehova Getuige en die zijn wel eens slecht in het nieuws, Jehovah's Witnesses Church in Scotland stands accused of sheltering child abusers and keeping secret files of known paedophiles within the organisation which it refuses to share with police) zoveel geld uit aan top-juristen en Clarence Mitchell? Waarom gaat die Kennedy persoonlijk naar Robert Murat en die Ierse getuigen Smith? Er zijn zoveel aanwijzingen, van alle kanten, naar pedofilie. Ook hij heeft een huis in Spanje, net als die peetom van de twins, John Corner, ook al zo'n dubieus figuur, huis in Huelva, net over de Portugese grens. Trouwens nogal opvallend dat het team McCann zo hamert op pedo-netwerken, iets wat ze zelf mogelijk niet vreemd is wordt met kracht vanaf het begin in de picture gezet....Ik post nog maar weer een wat uitspraken van dat heerschap John Corner, gelezen op mccannfiles, in cursief is commentaar van Nigel:
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Jon Corner talking about Madeleine (Vanity Fair)

"So beautiful, astonishingly bright, and I’d have to say very charismatic. She would shine out of a crowd. So—God forgive me—maybe that’s part of the problem. That special quality. Some ******* picked up on that."

Jon Corner - Cuddle Cat (Timesonline)

'Gerry paused over Madeleine, who – a typical doctor’s observation, this – was lying almost in "the recovery position" with Cuddle Cat, the toy her godfather, John Corner, had bought her, and her comfort blanket up near her head, and Gerry thought how gorgeous, how lovely-looking she was and how lucky he was.'

Jon Corner (Panorama)

CORNER: Well this is the bizarre thing Richard because the police said to Kate and Gerry: "Yeah, we're going to be coming along, we want to do some forensics." And Kate and Gerry were massively optimistic about this. You've got to remember if your daughter is missing and the police phone you and say: "We want to do some forensics, that's a straw that you hang onto. That's a moment for optimism.

- Just earlier Corner had said this:

CORNER: They took most of their clothing, they were taking even the wet clothes out of the washing machine. I was aware that the cuddlecat was boxed up and we were asked to leave the villa.

- So, the police phoned the McCanns to say they were coming over to do some forensics and the McCanns, it would appear, immediately filled up the washing machine with clothes.
Anyway, nog wat nieuws uit de files, bron:
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McCann case: the failed reconstruction

In April 2008, Paulo Rebelo gave a detailed response to the McCanns' friends about their arguments and doubts on the subject of the reconstruction of the events of May3rd. He stated that one of the conditions put forward by the group, that of first of all withdrawing Kate and Gerry's arguidos status - was impossible to accomplish, because only the Prosecutor held the legal power to do it, not the PJ.

On the subject of the reconstruction, the main problem for the McCanns' group of friends was clear: if the PJ believed their statements, then the reconstruction wasn't necessary, or the PJ were trying to obtain something strange with this activity. They wanted to know what the PJ's true intentions were. After several exchanges of emails, going first through Stuart Prior, the Tapas 7 group were not convinced of the usefulness of such a reconstruction.

In the replies that followed, Kate and Gerry's friends placed as a condition, not only the lifting of the McCann couple's arguido status, but also the announcement of a press release by the PJ dispelling the lies published by the Portuguese media, emphasising that there was no suspicion about the seven friends.

As it was impossible to accept or accomplish these conditions, Paulo Rebelo, in an email addressed to Stuart Prior on April 29th, requested that a final decision was taken. Jane and Russel O'Brien were the first to respond, saying yes, but waiting for further advice from their lawyers. Rachel and Matthew sent a similar response, but stressing that they couldn't be in Portugal between May 15th and May 17th.

Diana, Fiona and David Payne also accepted, while waiting for advice from their lawyers. After the PJ's detailed explanations, Jeremy Wilkins was willing to participate, on conditon that the other witnesses were also in Portugal.

The criminal court took the decision to set a new date: 29th and 30th of May 2008. Then Gerald McCann requested a change to this new date, because his lawyer had another meeting planned before the Lisbon court, for May 29th. His request was refused because it was impossible to make a further revision of the date, due to the numbers of people involved.

On May 10th, Rachel and Matthew Oldfield sent an email to Stuart Prior, communicating their final decision to him: they would not be in Portugal to participate in the reconstruction. Russel O'Brien, also on May 10th, told the Superintendent that as he had learned that Jeremy Wilkins, the Oldfields and the Payne family had now decided not to go to Portugal, there was now no need for their presence, because the Prosecutor had said that the reconstruction could not take place unless all the witnesses were present.

On May 23rd, all seven of the McCanns' friends sent a formal reply to the Prosecutor's request for a reconstruction, saying that they would not be attending, after advice from their lawyers. The reconstruction was therefroe cancelled by the Judge for the Court of Criminal Investigation, on May 26th 2008. Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis
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The McCann Case: Gerry used two credit cards

According to a briefing note from Inspector Gary Watts of the Leicestershire police to Frances Kennah, Madeleine's father used two MasterCard credit cards. Frances Kennah is head of the British Central Authority, a Home Office department, responsible for cooperation with foreign police forces.

The note, dated May 23rd, confirms the request from the Portuguese authorities, via international rogatory letter, asking for details of the transactions carried out by Gerry McCann using the two MasterCard credit cards.

The PJ also requested telephone records for a period of six months, starting on April 27th 2007, but the Home Office considered the period of time disproportionate and suggested that they could only provide that information for the days before and after Madeleine's disappearance. The note from Inspector Gary Watts reveals that the report about the credit card transactions was not completed, after a conversation between Superintendent Stuart Prior and the recipient of the information, Frances Kennah.

A previous report about the financial situation of the McCann couple and their friends, produced by the Economic Crimes Unit of Leicestershire police, had not found any record of credit cards or loans in Kate and Gerry McCann's name. Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis
En verder gaan er steeds meer bloggers ondergronds, naast een aantal fora...Op de sites van Cutting through the Rubbish (Charlotte) en Proud of the PJ (Claudia) lees je nu: Deze blog is alleen toegankelijk voor uitgenodigde lezers. Ik hoop dat het tijdelijk is. It's a bloody shame really... Can someone please shut up Clarence Mitchell!!!

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  zondag 10 augustus 2008 @ 22:09:59 #143
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Suko ; zo'n blaaskaak kun je pas het zwijgen opleggen als hij zijn supporters verliest en dat kunnen hele grote jongens zijn......zolang hij een goed netwerk heeft begin je niks helaas.
Toch verbaast een ding mij in hoge mate; de engelse politie heeft een record in handen wbt niet afgesloten zaken; al 125 jaar is een zaak niet afgesloten, waarom gaat dit dossier al na een jaar op slot?
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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Op zondag 10 augustus 2008 22:09 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Suko ; zo'n blaaskaak kun je pas het zwijgen opleggen als hij zijn supporters verliest en dat kunnen hele grote jongens zijn......zolang hij een goed netwerk heeft begin je niks helaas.
Toch verbaast een ding mij in hoge mate; de engelse politie heeft een record in handen wbt niet afgesloten zaken; al 125 jaar is een zaak niet afgesloten, waarom gaat dit dossier al na een jaar op slot?
Hoi Tmaatje, die Mitchell heeft inderdaad een giga-netwerk, eerst als BBC-verslaggever en naderhand in deze organistie, Media Monitoring Unit: "COI offers expertise, advice and procurement to meet the communications needs of government departments and agencies." Lees ook: UK government agency, blogs and Clarence Mitchell Nu dus in dienst (at the request of the Foreign Office) van rijke stinkerd Brian Kennedy, maar het is de bedoeling dat Michell gewoon in die organisatie terugkomt. Hij maakte eerst publiek zelf iets te gaan voor vermiste kinderen maar mogelijk is dat PR-geleuter. Want ook van zijn hand, sept 2007: "just last month he was pushing a new initiative at the MMU looking at an online monitoring product to track public debates from blogs." Iets wat nu al speelt...

Het is een mannetje wat niet alleen spin produceert maar ook zelf als een spin in een web bivakkeert waar hij kennelijk kan doen en laten wat hij wil...hij weet dat velen van hem afhankelijk zijn. Bekend is dat hij via zijn eerdere journalistieke werk veel weet, heel veel...handig. Zoals ik eerder heb gepost, deuren gaan voor hem open die voor anderen gesloten blijven. Ik weet niet of dat zo blijft als PM Gordon Brown moet aftreden, die verkeerd in zwaar weer. We zullen zien. Wel heb ik de indruk dat het net zo belangrijk is dat je veel weet, maar vooral ook wie je kent....

Wat betreft die nog steeds openstaande zaken in de UK, de zaak Madeleine McCann valt onder de Portugese wetten. Wel is het zo, zoals je weet, dat elk echt nieuw bewijs de zaak ala minuut kan worden heropend. Maar ook dan vrees ik dat de Britse invloed/druk weer met volle kracht wordt ingezet...Interessant is in deze dat misschein wel in UK die mogelijke fraude qua fonds kan worden onderzocht, maar dan moet je wel in sprookjes geloven....

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In een commentaar zegt Peter McKay in de Daily Mail aan het einde:
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"In one sighting, the girl involved said she was 'Maddie' and had been taken from her mother. Yet the McCanns say Madeleine was never known as 'Maddie' to them. It's an abbreviation devised by newspapers so the name will fit headlines.

What would your first instinct be if you saw a girl you were sure was Madeleine? Surely to find a policeman. But none of those spotting her seems to have had time to do this. I am sure the majority of Madeleine-spotters are honest, if mistaken, but the sad reality is that, for some, it's a form of attention-seeking."
Tell your boss(es) Peter MvcKay, don't print the rubbish about this fake-sightings, clearly for sure it's all Clarrie-crap, just selling the news, just selling Madeleine, and you know it. Stop this nonsens....for a long time nobody believes your stories, but you cannot tell the truth, can you...shame on you British journalists Clarrie/Kennedy-slaves....

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Policemen followed thousands of leads - Correio da Manhã Joana Morais
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Sightings: Process includes 2550 pages about persons who say they saw the little girl

The detectives that were hired by the McCanns search for the little English girl on Margarita Island, in Venezuela and in Brussels today. The PJ studied over 1500 locations

Reports appear at an almost daily rate in different parts of the world, where little girls that look like Maddie were seen. Today, the detectives that were hired by the McCanns investigate the possibility that the English girl is alive in Belgium or on Margarita Island, in Venezuela. The Polícia Judiciária has already studied over 1500 locations. The information fills 2550 pages, divided into 14 volumes, of the thirty thousand pages of the process. All the sightings that were narrated to the Portuguese authorities failed to reveal any indicium that Maddie is alive.

In Brussels, a bank security worker says he saw a little girl that looked like Madeleine a week ago, accompanied by a Muslim woman from North Africa. John Berckmans, a spokesman for the Belgium police, says the images from the bank’s video surveillance system are being observed, in order to establish the veracity of the allegations. This sighting appears after it was publicized that the Scotland Yard obtained an information “without evidence” that a Belgium paedophile network had placed an ‘order’ on the internet for a girl, three days before the disappearance. Nevertheless, the PJ also followed up on this lead, which ended up revealing no credibility.

In Venezuela, detectives follow another lead that was raised by British citizen Trevor Francis. On the 16th of May, he recognized Maddie in a restaurant, accompanied by two Spanish women. In the process, yet another recent sighting is reported. This time, in Portugal, by an Angolan citizen, who associates Maddie with a Dutch car.

The Portuguese police reveals that Maddie was seen on the same day in places that are over four thousand kilometers apart. The growth in the volume of sightings made it a priority to collect material to identify the DNA profile.

Video of orgies with children has no connection with the case

The British authorities informed the PJ about the existence of a video where a little girl that looked like Maddie was sexually abused in an orgy. The images were reportedly captured in Beirut, the capital of Lebanon, and would include the presence of Arab sheiks. The information was from Superintendent Stuart Prior and included that the video would be delivered in London in exchange for money. Although the girl in the video resembled Maddie, the video was immediately removed from the process because the recording had been made four months before the disappearance.

Press

‘Sunday Express’ – The newspaper places yet another efit of the possible suspect who abducted Maddie in Praia da Luz, on the front page.

‘Sunday Mirror’ – After Belgium, the newspapers detail a possible sighting in the Caribbean. source: Correio da Manhã, 11.08.2008, paper edition by astro
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  maandag 11 augustus 2008 @ 14:45:48 #146
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Goedemiddag!

Goh, dat arme kind is wat afgereisd zeg, thousends of leads.....

hebben jullie dit al gezien?
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Police are studying CCTV footage of a young girl resembling Madeleine McCann walking with a woman in Belgium.

The footage is being enhanced by American specialists

A bank security guard raised the alarm after spotting the blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl in Brussels.

The child, who is around Madeleine's age, was caught on security cameras with a dark-haired women in a hijab head scarf who spoke in a different language.

She was of North African or Arabic appearance and seemed to be pregnant.

At one stage, the girl was heard to ask in English: "Can we go back now?"
Er staat hier ook een link naar het filmpje.
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Als het allemaal niet zo treurig was, maar uh ik kan er niks aan doen, ik lig weer in een deuk. These are the darkest times voor the British press... Overigens woon ik een kinderrijke buurt, daar zie je van alle kleuren kindjes, met hun ouders/oppassers, het is niet zo moeilijk zoiets in elkaar te flansen, of je gaat naar een paar straten in bv A.dam/R.dam.Nog maar eens wat feitjes over die gevonden sporen, welke zijn gevonden door die snuffelhonden Eddy & Keela, Joana Morais:
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10 Agosto, 2008

Dog Detects car of the McCann Couple
Investigation: Traces of blood and smell of the death in the vehicle


One of the dogs used by the PJ signalled Kate and Gerry car among ten vehicles parked in an underground parking triggered by the cadaver odour

The vehicle used by Kate and Gerry McCann, a Renault Scénic, travelled, in a little over a month, between the 27th of May and 3rd of July, 2750 kilometres, at a time when the McCanns were globetrotting. This was one of the leads followed by the investigators of the Maddie case. The PJ tried to clarify who drove the car and which were the routes done by the vehicle where traces [body fluids, DNA] presumed to belong to Madeleine were found.

The vehicle was handed over to the McCanns with 3114 kilometres, on the 27th of May of last year, just a few days before one of the most mediatic travels done by the parents of the disappeared child in Praia da Luz on the 3rd of May of 2007: the audience with the Pope Benedict XVI. On the 3rd of July, the car's kilometer counter registered 5864 kilometres.

TRACES

The vehicle driven by the McCanns turned out to be one of the most important means of proof for the PJ, after traces of the child had been found by the English dogs, namely odour to human cadaver and to blood.

In one of the cino-techniques [Human Remains detection by expert dogs] done on 6th of August by the dog ‘Eddie’, of the English Springer Spaniel race, who detects odour of cadaver, the animal signalled the car of the McCanns between ten vehicles that were in an underground parking. There were traces of blood in the key and at the car boot. The key still had odour to corpse.

Identical traces were found by the animals in the Ocean Club’s apartment, in a flowerbed in the back yard, in two of Kate's clothes and in one of Maddie’s and in the 'plush toy' of the child, which the mother carried everywhere.

In the apartment there were evidences, specifically in the couple’s room (in a corner, near the wardrobe) and in the living room (behind of the sofa, next to the side window of the apartment).

NOTES

ARCHIVED
The investigation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was archived by the Attorney General of the Republic (PGR) on the 21st of July.

REOPENING
The process can be reopened if new elements of proof appear.

30 THOUSAND PAGES
The process made available to the media on Tuesday was recorded in a DVD. The process has more than 30 thousand pages, which correspond to 47 volumes of investigation. Source: Correio da Manhã 09.08.2008
En dan wat conclusies uit het eindrapport (de verkorte versie) zoals die begin augustus publiek werd gemaakt.
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Extracts on the Cadaver dogs from the PJ Final Report (click here to read the full report)

pages 35 and 36

(...) Now the question related to the performance of the British dogs will be covered, along with the consequent quality assumed by the parents of MADELEINE, once again with the ability to revisit the description later in the report.

In this way, from pages 1989 and following, one can read the full report by MARK HARRISON, whose specialty is the search for missing people or homicide victims, including catastrophe scenarios. He provided the use of canines, specialized in the detection of vestiges of human blood and human cadaver odor.

This is an inspection technique commonly used in the United Kingdom, frequently with positive results, consisting of the utilization of two especially trained dogs.

One of the dogs is trained to detect cadaver odor and the other to detect vestiges of human blood, with existing knowledge that their prior usage had resulted in significant results, principally in the detection of vestiges, which had then been, later, confirmed in the laboratory.

After a positive joint meeting with the British police, it was decided to use this capability and a large number of objects and locations were examined, with these diligences being recorded in films which are included in the documentation (appendix III).

In some of these locations and objects, the animals exhibited the behaviour of identification and “signaling”, including:

pages 37 and 38 - to follow

1 - Apartment 5A, of the resort ‘Ocean Club’, place from where the child disappeared.

- cadaver odour dog:

*in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, close to the wardrobe;
*in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the apartment;

- blood dog:
* in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the apartment (exactly as it was signalled by the cadaver odour dog);

2 – Area of the backyard, close to the apartment 5A:

- cadaver odour dog:

* in a flowerbed, commented by the dog handler the lightness of the scent detected;

3 – Apartments where the rest of the elements of the group stayed

* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

4 – House of the MCCANNs at the date of the inspection [second apartment]

* NOTHING
at the house, was detected by any of the dogs;

5 - In the area of Vila da Luz

* NOTHING
was detected by any of the dogs;

6 – In the clothes and belongings of the Family MCCANN

- cadaver odour dog:
* in two pieces of clothing belonging to KATE HEALY
* in a piece of clothing of the minor MADELEINE
* in the plush toy, possibly belonging to MADELEINE (it was detected cadaver odour, when the plush was inside the residence – at the date occupied by the family)

7 – In the vehicle used by the MCCANN family

- cadaver odour dog:
* signalled the key of the vehicle;

- blood dog:
* signalled the key of the vehicle;
* signalled the interior of the vehicle’s boot;

8 – In the vehicle used by a friend of the family, who stayed in the same resort, matching some of the holiday days.

pages 39 and 40

* NOTHING was detected by either dog;

9. In all the vehicles that were used by arguido ROBERT MURAT and persons that are close to him;

* NOTHING
was detected by either dog.

(in a total of ten vehicles, the cadaver odour dog and the blood odour dog only signaled the vehicle that belonged to the MCCANN family, which was rented on the 27th of May)

On the locations and the pieces that were marked and signaled by the blood dog, forensics tests were performed, especially at a reputed British laboratory (Forensic Science Service – check Appendixes I and VII – FSS Final Report) but also, some of them at the reputed National Institute of Forensics Medicine (check Appendix I), whose final results did not corroborate the canine markings, which is to say, cellular material was collected that was not identified as pertaining to anyone specific, and it was not even possible to determine the quality of that material (v.g. whether it could be blood or another type of bodily fluid).

But during a first scientific approach (pages 2617 and following), the possibility of a match between the DNA profile of MADELEINE and some of the collected residues (among which those that existed in the Renault Scenic that had been rented by the McCANN couple were abundant) was raised; a match which, as can be verified in the aforementioned final report from the FSS, failed to be verified, after the execution of long and complex testing.

On pages 2461 and following, the translation of the comments that were made by the dog handler, during the inspection actions, was appended.

Based on the action of the canine team and the aforementioned initial scientific approach, which revealed the possibility of the existence of a cadaver inside the apartment and in the vehicle that was used by the MCCANN family, and in order to allow for GERALD McCANN and KATE HEALY to see their position within the process safeguarded, they were made arguidos, in face of the mere possibility of their involvement with the possible cadaver. During the questioning as arguidos, they denied any responsibility in the disappearance of their daughter.

It may be questioned that KATE HEALY was not immediately made an arguida, but rather inquired, as a witness, and only afterwards, following said inquisition, did she assume that quality.

Therefore, the constitution of KATE HEALY as an arguida was made when she was confronted with concrete elements that might lead to her incrimination, a fact that, within the terms of the penal process law, would officiously force that constitution.(....)

Related:
The dogs’ work as described by their own handler - Jornal de Notícias
7 Aug 2008
The cadaver detection dog “Eddie” and the blood detection dog “Keela” showed themselves as “very excited” when they entered apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, the one that had been occupied by the McCann couple during their holidays...

"Madeleine died in the apartment" - Correio da Manhã
23 Jul 2008
We talk about blood residues because the CSI dog is trained to detect only that bodily fluid. The reports that were used to based the decision on, which were written by experts Mark Harrison and Martin Grime, are clear: the CSI dog was...

English defended the use of the dogs - Correio da Manhã
20 Jul 2008
Mark Harrison, the English police who was designated to help the Polícia Judiciária in the search for Madeleine McCann, wrote a report last summer, in which he defended the usage of the dogs that are experts in the detection of cadaver...

McCanns Case: How can a dog sniff through concrete?
26 Feb 2008
The McCanns previously tried to dismiss the cadaver dogs findings, stating that the Cadaver dogs were manipulated to react to the Renault Scenic therefore implying that the South Yorkshire police special team handling the dogs was...

External and Interesting sources:
Cadaver Dog Handbook (Forensic Training & Tactics) - PDF File
Cadaver dogs are canines, Canis familiaris, which are specially trained to find human decomposition scent and alert their handlers to its location. They are used in a variety of forensic contexts, including search and discovery of human cadavers, body parts, or body fluids....

CSI: DOG SQUAD
At the former children's home at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey, a sensational discovery was made in February; a fragment of what might have been human bone. It was unearthed by a dog trained to detect human remains... by astro
Toevoeging, één van die snuffelhonden (naast Keela) was Eddie, in dit artikel "Sniffer dogs go crazy as they enter Jersey cellar of death" laten ze alleen het plaatje zien, zonder de naam te noemen, lastig he... Onlangs was er een docu te zien op ITV, ook daarin kwamen deze honden Eddie en Kaala aan de orde. Citaatje: "This week, Send in the Dogs follows dogs from the West Yorkshire Police and Eddie and Keela, two of the most famous dog detectives in Europe, who used to work for South Yorkshire Police." En nog een artikel in de Daily Mail: The first spaniel, seven-year-old Eddie, is an 'enhanced' victim recovery dog specialising in detecting buried human blood, bones and flesh.The second, Keela, has been trained to track down remains corresponding to microscopic blood traces

Dat het maar weer even gezegd is, op een rijtje, dat het maar even duidelijk is hoe men tot een 'conclusies' is gekomen. Iets waarvan wel duidelijk is hoe men in de UK is omgegaan met het gevonden materiaal, maanden gewacht op uitslagen, na een tweede ronde was opeens alles inconclusive/nothing, één haarstukje met DNA kwam op verzoek van Portugal nooit meer terug uit de UK, was 'per ongeluk' tijdens het testen vernietigd...it's a disgrace. Ook jammer dat de PJ zich zo heeft laten inpakken door de UK, ik zet er vraagrtekens bij wáárom, het kunnen toch niet alleen economische belangen zin... Maar misschien is het wel de bedoeling, het is een belachelijk onderzoek geweest, met die summiere gegevens en die ongelofelijke tegenwerking, misschien moet het publiek het maar uitmaken, straks...als alles openbaar wordt, nou ja, op enkele documenten na, over die Ward of Court-kwestie, met daarin vast ook gegevens over het in care plaatsen van Madeleine bij familie (of mogelijk zelfs elders...) Nog even door deze Clarrie-crap heen bijten, straks kan het publiek zelf een oordeel vellen. Puntje nog, de zaak blijft tot 2022 open voor nieuw bewijsmateriaal, we hebben nog even dus...

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  maandag 11 augustus 2008 @ 21:38:46 #148
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Misschien een idee om Harrie de Jong ( de neus) naar Portugal te sturen, de man is gespecialiseerd in het opsporen van doden...want ik geloof er niks van dat Madeleine nog leeft, helaas.
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Op maandag 11 augustus 2008 21:38 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Misschien een idee om Harrie de Jong ( de neus) naar Portugal te sturen, de man is gespecialiseerd in het opsporen van doden...want ik geloof er niks van dat Madeleine nog leeft, helaas.
Nou Tmaatje, niet eens zo'n slecht idee, naast Keela en Eddie, en de neus doet de rest...

Maar we gaan nog even verder, als tegenwicht, beetje balans houden, beetje het team McCann wat pijnlijkheden onder de neus wrijven... Gelezen op mccannfiles.com:
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Translation of Article published in "El Mercurio" Santiago, Chile, Sunday August 10, 2008

Portuguese Gonçalo Amaral, ex-Chief Inspector on the case, insists on his theory of 2007:

"There is strong evidence that Maddie is dead" El Mercurio
by Graciela Almendras 10 August 2008 Thanks to 'carmerina32' for translation
Traces of blood and of a body detected by dogs in the belongings, flat and car occupied by the couple were part of the proof collected during the period of time when Gonçalo Amaral was in charge of the search for Maddie.

Last October, one month after the McCanns were declared suspects, he was removed from the case – "without any explanation" he says – and two weeks ago he published the book "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie", wherein he considers it proved that the British girl died and that her parents are lying.

Who supports your theory that Gerry and Kate McCann are the guilty parties in Madeleine’s disappearance?

In September 2007, the investigation, Portuguese and British police, reached the conclusion that Maddie had died and that the parents were responsible and were involved in the crimes of hiding a body and simulating a kidnapping and potentially the crime of abandonment.

You have said that the child died when she fell from a sofa – why are you so sure of this?

First of all, there is strong evidence that Maddie is dead. When I left the case, the investigation was pointing at the sofa, due to the cadaver odour and blood tracked on the floor behind this piece of furniture.

Which are the clues that indicate that the McCanns simulated a kidnapping?

The thesis of the kidnapping was based upon two issues. The first, the testimony of Kate's friend Jane Tanner, who said she saw a man carrying a child, while none of the other witnesses mentioned this fact.

However, one of the suspects was the man recognized by Tanner, Robert Murat.

I involved him because of his behaviour. Later, Tanner said she recognized him during that night. And also according to statements from other friends in the group holidaying at Praia da Luz.

The second issue…

That Maddie's mother is the only person who says that the window was open. When she calls to the other members of the group, she goes out leaving her twins, exposing them once again, to danger. Further proof is Kate's finger prints that describe the movement when she opened the windows – we know that the window was cleaned the previous day -. However, Kate says she never opened the window. And most importantly, there were no signs of breaking in.

You have been under pressure from the McCann family lawyers.

I felt strong pressure from the British press. I think that nobody has ever seen such a tendentious campaign such as this one, with the sole purpose of denigrating the Portuguese police and myself.

After publishing the book, have you received any threats?

Before publishing it, I received some warnings. Afterwards, these became legal threats. In any case, I am not afraid, because this book presents only data and facts.

This week, the McCann's accused the Judicial Police of having withheld crucial information at the time you were Director, regarding a witness who said she had seen Madeleine last June.

It appears that the McCann family is playing their part defending the thesis of a kidnapping. The Dutch police evaluated this evidence, which proved to be ridiculous. We are aiding the marketing of a kidnapping which, obviously, does not fit within a modern law system.

Do you believe that what happened that night was an accident?

When I left the investigation, all evidence was leading us in that direction.
Ik voeg er nog maar eens aan toe dat Amaral is ontslagen, twee uur ná een telefoontje van Gordon Brown, PM van de UK..."Gordon Brown and the existence of Political Pressures The British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown called the police counterpart of Mr.Gonçalo Amaral, in Leicester, to warn him that Gonçalo Amaral had been removed. Gonçalo Amaral was only given notice of his 'removal' from the case two hours after this call was made." mccannfiles.com

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En ondanks dat de Britse 'pers'' gewoon doorgaat met die Belgische sithing, wat lezen we hier dan: "De vader van het meisje heeft de beelden zelf ook gezien en heeft zich bij de Cel Verdwijningen aangeboden", zegt Lieve Pellens van het federale parket. "Zijn dochtertje was op de bewuste dag samen met de babysitter in Brussel". Meer details over het kind worden niet bekendgemaakt." Het Laatste Nieuws

Een greep uit the rubbish:
* "Maddie sightings: We'll know in 24 hours Daily Star
* Private detectives for the missing child's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, are desperately trying to find the woman, who was filmed with a blonde youngster in Brussels last Monday. Ananova
* I'd bet all that I own it was her The Sun (Exclusieve)
* Belgian street vendor sold ice cream to blonde English girl he claims was Madeleine Daily Mail

Selling news, selling Madeleine....

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Wat ook een tactiek schijnt te zijn, een zeer compromiterende getuigenis van die Ierse familie Smith (die Gerry McCann mogelijk die fatale nacht heeft gezien met een levenloze Madeleine in z'n armen) wordt enigszins belachelijk gemaakt door dit verhaal. Getuigen vertellen vrijwel hetzelfde, met een aantal kleine verschillen, om het geloofwaarig te houden, om de lezer om de tuin te leiden maar wel zo dat de familie Smith direct in gedachten komt, en dus niet waar kán zijn. Neem alleen dit citaatje: "Also in his second statement, made after watching news coverage of Kate and Gerry McCann returning to Britain from Portugal, Mr McCluskey added: "Another thing which has played on my mind is the coverage of Mr McCann walking off the aeroplane holding one of his young children."The way he was holding the child over his left shoulder reminded me of the man carrying the child from the white van in Portugal. "Although I could not describe the male I'd seen in Portugal because he had his back to me, it was the particular way Mr McCann held the child that made me think." Bron

En wat zegt Mr. Smith: "''I would be 60 to 80% sure that it was Gerry McCann that I met that night carrying a child," Mr Smith said in his statement. ''It was the way Mr. McCann turned his head down that was similar... It may have been the way he was carrying his child. ''I am basing this on his mannerism, in the way he carried the child off the plane.'' mccannfiles.com Voorlopig hou ik het dus op het belachelijk maken van de fam. Smith...

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En wat is het team McCann bang voor de Smith-jes. Normaliter negeer ik die nonsens, maar uit dit artikel blijkt wel hoe ze deze getuigenissen van die Ierse familie probleren onderuit te halen, gelezen op mccannfiles.com:
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Drogheda businessman told police he saw Gerry McCann carrying a child towards the beach the day Maddie disappeared
The Irish Mail on Sunday (no online link, appears in paper edition)

10 August 2008

Father-of-six gave garda a signed statement saying he and his wife were ''60 to 80% sure'' that the man they saw holding the child was Maddie's father. The claim, which was taken seriously by the Portuguese police, was made almost four months after Maddie disappeared on May 3rd this year.

Since then the McCanns have been totally exonerated of any involvement.

Mr. Smith had initally told police he had seen a man carrying a child that night, but that he couldn't identify him because he had not been wearing his glasses. The following September, however, the businessman saw clips of the McCanns returning from their holidays and said the footage of Mr McCann carrying his younger child had instantly reminded him of the mystery man.

''I would be 60 to 80% sure that it was Gerry McCann that I met that night carrying a child," Mr Smith said in his statement. ''It was the way Mr. McCann turned his head down that was similar... It may have been the way he was carrying his child.

''I am basing this on his mannerism, in the way he carried the child off the plane.''

Mr Smiths claim was passed to the Portuguese police who took it as more evidence in support of their mistaken belief that the McCanns had something to do with their daughter's disappearence. Friends of the McCann family said last night that the decision of the Portuguese police to pursue Mr Smith's claims prove that they were determined to pin the blame on Maddie's parents come what may.

One said ''Look at the facts. This man sees an individual carrying a child on the night Madeleine vanished. He waits 13 days to report this to the police, going back to Ireland.

"The McCanns returning to England - It was this image that alerted Mr Smith in the meantime. At this stage he admits he has no idea who the man is, other than a basic description. A further three, almost four months go by before, after seeing him on television, he feels it could be Gerry.

''By now the police have dozens of statements putting Gerry back at the apartment complex at that time. Yet the Portuguese ask a combination of the Leicestershire police and the Garda to re-interview this witness. About what?? ''And why? The truth is that this is part of the victimisation of Gerry and Kate which has gone on from the very beginning by the Portuguese,who were clearly desperate to get something against them."

The extraordinary saga began on the night of May 3rd 2007, as Martin and his wife, Mary, walked back from a local pub in Praia da Luz to their apartment with members of his family. They had decided to return to their apartment within an hour of dining out becasue their son, Peter, was catching an early morning flight the next day.

As they made their way back, they crossed paths with a slim man with a full head of chestnut coloured hair and dressed in beige trousers coming in the opposite direction. It was 9.55 pm and the man was carrying a sleeping little blonde girl of about 4-years of age. The child's head was was resting on the man's left shoulder.

At this stage Maddie had already disappeared but the Smiths were unaware that a child had gone missing from PDL.

It was not until the following morning that a family member living in Ireland told them of Madeleine's idsappearence. Mr Smith returned to Ireland six days after the litle girl went missing and it was another 2 weeks before he travelled back to Portugal to make a statement about what he saw that night.

In the statement to Portuguese police on May 26th, the grandfather -who wears glasses but was not wearing them at the night in question - said he would not be able to identify the man he saw. Significantly though he was able to tell Police that the man was not Robert Murat, as he had met him on a number of previous occasions.

After making his statement, Mr Smtih returned to Drogheda and it was not until four months later that that he made contact with the police again. This weekend, Mr Smith's wfe Mary told the Mail on Sunday her husband had no regrets about coming forward.

He [Martin] doesn't want to talk, said Mrs Smith. He said what he had to say. I was with him [that night]. We saw a man carrying a child and that's all we know. We told them all that and that's it. ''The man he saw had the same stature as Gerry McCann. We felt we had to help. We're happy we did. We reported exactly what we saw.

"We only did what we thought was right for a missing girl and our hearts are breaking for her parents, as it would be if it were one of ours. ''I feel very much for them [the McCanns]. I have six grandchildren of my own and six children of my own. "The poor McCann family must be heartbroken.''
Ha ha, nou is iemand opeens niet meer geloofwaardig als men wat later mensen herkend, tjonge jonge, alle sightings die de McCanns van pas komen staan er vol mee, opeens weten getuigen zich Madeleine all over the world te herinneren..Maar we hebben allemaal kunnen lezen dat de Smith-jes niet verder konden worden geinterviewd omdat Ierland niet als zodanig in de Rogatory Letters (verzoek van de PJ om getuigen te kunnen verhoren in de UK) werd genoemd. En dat getuigen Gerry rondom dat tijdstip hebben gezien in de Tapasbar wordt alleen bevestigd door de vrienden, barpersoneel weten niet meer te herinneren wie en wanneer iemand in het restaurant aanwezig was. En dát de Smith-jes wel belangrijk zijn blijkt wel uit het feit dat geldschieterd Brian Kenndy deze familie (naast Robert Murat) heeft bezocht.

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