Ik zag een post met die woorden staan en dacht dat ik iets bekends zag, het is jouw schuld dat ik net een heel topic daar gelezen heb, damn, nog meer bij te houden.....quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:09 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Huh? Ha ha nee hoor, ik zou wel willen posten daar maar mijn Engels is te beroerd, lezen gaat best maar goed en begrijpelijk Engels schrijven is een heel andere zaak. Ik post alleen hier op Fok, da's voor mij voldoende, ben voor de rest een super-lurker, ook leuk.
Dat dus, ach ja, neerbuigend doen en vervelende dingen posten is makkelijker dan je mening geven of gewoon wegblijven, hij zit de komende tijd met dit topic in zijn myat moet je maar denken.quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:11 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Same here, alleen ben ik wel een dame...
En de Daily Mail komt nu ook met de eventuele verwarring rond Murat en Payne.quote:BLOOD traces discovered in Kate and Gerry McCann's hire car were missing Maddie's, it was sensationally claimed today.
A Portuguese newspaper alleges that tests conducted at a UK laboratory show conclusively that the blood is that of the four-year-old. Portuguese cops also apparently believe the tests back up the theory that the McCanns moved Madeleine after she died in their holiday appartment.
Kate and Gerry have vehemently denied any involvement in their daughter's disappearance. A blood sample was reportedly found by police in the boot of the Renault Scenic Kate and Gerry hired 25 days after Madeleine went missing.
A second blood sample reportedly found in their Praia da Luz holiday flat was also claimed to have come from Madeleine. Daily newspaper Correio da Manha reported: “The definitive result of the tests recently sent from England leave no doubts for the Policia Judiciaria.
“The blood found in the McCanns’ car is that of Madeleine, as well as those samples detected in the flat rented by the English and where the child, then three years old, disappeared without trace.” DNA tests already conducted at the Birmingham Forensic Science Service lab have reportedly been inconclusive.
Mooi stuk en geen dank hoor, keep reading...quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 20:38 schreef voyeur het volgende:
En nog een mooi stuk proza van een poster die de reactie van Team McCann vast beschrijft:
This may need the full range of weaponry...
A "ludicrous"....
A "not enough proof"...
A ghosted article in a leading Sunday "Kate and Gerry had for many months been worried about Madeleine's propensity for nose bleeds. The blood would go everywhere. Even on to Cuddle Cat which is probably how it came to be in the back of the Scenic. They found these episodes distressing. Too distressing to mention to anyone else." That sort of thing.
Maybe even a "mystery witness":
Metodo 3 are looking for a man seen tampering with the boot of McCanns' hire car. A Mr. Mad of Colchester said: "It's only now, nearly a year later that I have come to realise the significance of what I saw. I witnessed a man who looked like Robert Murat. He had a test tube of blood in one hand and a cigarette in the other. With his free hand he was tampering with the boot. When I challenged him he replied that he was collecting children for an orphanage in Morocco, which seemed perfectly plausible at the time."
Tony Parsons has rounded on "the scu'm scientists who have nothing better to do than carry out geeky experiments on the McCann's car, and all just because
the poor di'ck-shrivellers can't get a half way decent girl into bed. Everyone knows they are innocent and will remain so however much evidence is accumulated to the contrary."
Pippa Daley-Knightley, another columnist, defends the action of the McCanns: "What's happened to good old common sense. Can't people drive around with blood in the boot? I remember once I inadvertently left my child in the car during high summer when I took the dog for a walk. Owing to the soaring temperature she was clawing at the catch on the boot in a desperate attempt to get out and the top of her finger was sliced off. There was blood everywhere - but hey, wake up and smell the coffee, that's reality for you. There is nothing untoward in the actions of the McCanns."
En nog bedankt Suko dat je me van al mijn vrije tijd beroofd hebt omdat ik nu het Mirror forum ook nog moet bijhouden
(Justice for Madeleine)quote:"But yesterday a second Portuguese newspaper, Correio da Manha, claimed blood found in the McCanns' holiday apartment and hire car had been proved to be Madeleine's.
It reported that tests carried out by the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham had proved conclusively that microscopic traces of blood found behind a sofa in the apartment had come from the girl. And it said samples of bodily fluids found in the Renault Scenic, hired by the McCanns 25 days after their daughter went missing, were also definitely from Madeleine and could not have come from the two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.
Portuguese police believe the findings support their theory that Madeleine died in an accident in her parents' care and that they hid her body and faked her abduction to cover up her death. It was previously believed that forensic tests had proved inconclusive, but more samples were sent for testing last month and the laboratory has also been using the controversial Low Copy Number technique to study microscopic samples.
Use of the technique in British legal cases was suspended last year after a judge criticised its use in the trial of the Omagh bomb suspect Sean Hoey. The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell called for the police to end their 'distressing' leaks to the Portuguese media and said Mr and Mrs McCann wanted to be re-interviewed and cleared as suspects.
He said: "It is ridiculous to suggest that Madeleine's blood was in the hire car, because she was never in it. It was hired over 20 days after she went missing which means it was impossible for her to ever have been in it. "Kate and Gerry were in no way involved in her death. Nor were they involved in disposing of her body. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous."
Portuguese police have prepared legal documents asking their British counterparts to re-interview the McCanns' seven friends who dined with them on the night of May 3. Detectives want to question alleged contradictions in the statements of the group and anxious to speak to Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner following claims that the pair want to change their statements. They have denied any suggestion they want to alter their accounts of the night of May 3."
nu.nlquote:'Bloed in auto toch van Madeleine'
Uitgegeven: 8 januari 2008 10:22
Laatst gewijzigd: 8 januari 2008 10:25
AMSTERDAM - De bloedsporen in de huurauto van Gerry en Kate McCann blijken na nader forensisch onderzoek toch van het vermiste dochtertje Madeleine te zijn. Dat meldt de Daily Mail dinsdag.
Het vermoeden dat het meisje dood is en de ouders verantwoordelijk zijn voor het dumpen van het lichaam wordt daarmee volgens de Portugese politie groter.
Beschadigd
Eerder DNA-onderzoek kon niet bevestigen dat het bloed in zowel de auto als de flat van Madeleine afkomstig is doordat het genetisch materiaal was beschadigd. Met een nieuwe techniek kon het beschadigde DNA wel goed worden onderzocht.
Zelfs kleine, beschadigde monsters kunnen met de zogenaamde 'low copy number analysis' onderzocht worden. De uitslag van de test spreekt in het voordeel van politie en justitie.
Verklaringen
De ouders hebben altijd volgehouden dat er onschuldige verklaringen zijn voor de bloedsporen. Het bloed zou afkomstig zijn van hun twee jaar oude tweeling.
De Britse krant meldt ook dat er binnenkort Portugese inspecteurs richting Engeland vertrekken om het echtpaar opnieuw te verhoren.
Goedemorgen!quote:Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 10:37 schreef Suko het volgende:
En Spudgun krijgt gelijk: "You see? Before you can assess and determine a lie, you get hit with another. And another." Onder het mom van, als eindconclusie: "Perhaps, like Clarence and Metodo 3, Mr. Brown feels that the continued daily onslaught of lies and garbage will disorientate the populace to such a degree that we will utterly refuse to believe a further, single word on the matter."
Want vandaag schrijft The Miirror: New lead on Madeleine "A second British tourist has reported seeing a mystery man hanging around Madeleine McCann's holiday flat just days before she vanished. Gail Cooper, 50, said she was confronted by the "creepy" stranger at her holiday villa in Portugal." Te verwaarlozen nieuws maar we zullen er inderdaad nog veel van lezen en er op een gegeven moment geen aandacht meer aan schenken, wat uiteindelijk ook de bedoeling is...
En verder maken een aantal kranten wel melding van de gevonden bewezen bloedsporen:
- MADELEINE: IT WAS HER BLOOD IN PARENTS’ HIRE CAR Daily Express
- Blood found in McCanns' hire car 'DID come from Madeleine' Daily Mail
- BLOOD IN CAR IS MADDIE'S – OFFICIAL "Last month, Omagh bomb suspect Sean Hoey walked free after a judge decided this type of testing was not at a sufficiently scientific level to be considered evidence. The Association of Chief Police Officers then announced it was suspending use of the technique in criminal inquiries. And the Crown Prosecution Service in England and Wales is reviewing a number of cases in which it was involved. That means the results in Madeleine’s case could probably never be used in court." Daily Star
- McCann rage at new DNA claim The Sun Clarence Mitchell: “It is ridiculous to suggest Madeleine’s blood was in the car because she was never in it. Kate and Gerry were in no way involved in her death, or in disposing of her body.” Met andere woorden, ze weten dat Madeleine niet meer leeft...
- New claims on blood in McCann's hire car The Scotsman
(Justice for Madeleine)
dit komt wel weer heel goed uit zeg, die stijve, starre houding van de rechterlijke macht daar, zo bang voor vernieuwing en verbeterde forensische technieken dat het gewoon terzijde gegooid dient te worden.quote:"Last month, Omagh bomb suspect Sean Hoey walked free after a judge decided this type of testing was not at a sufficiently scientific level to be considered evidence. The Association of Chief Police Officers then announced it was suspending use of the technique in criminal inquiries. And the Crown Prosecution Service in England and Wales is reviewing a number of cases in which it was involved. That means the results in Madeleine’s case could probably never be used in court."
Waar is m'n teiltje....quote:The McCanns are set to turn the story of their daughter into a film. Kate and Gerry are in negotiations with the world's largest talent and entertainment agency, IMG, in a deal which could be worth millions.
The money would help fund the search for Madeleine amid fears that the £1.2 million raised from public donations will soon run out. A source close to the McCanns said: "We would only get involved with something done sensitively and considerately."
If a deal is done with IMG, it would involve using the same team that made Touching The Void, an award-winning drama-documentary about the fight for survival of two British climbers lost on a mountain. The couple are also considering a book deal and selling interviews to television broadcasters with all proceeds going to the Madeleine Fund, the body set up to finance the search for the girl.
Madeleine was six days short of her fourth birthday when she vanished from her bed in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in Portugal on May 3. The film project will be discussed at a meeting of the fund's directors, including Gerry, tomorrow night at the McCanns' home in Rothley, Leicestershire.
The Madeleine Fund is committed to spending £50,000 a month on a Spanish private detective agency. It is also paying for a poster and television advertising campaign in Spain, Portugal and Morocco, where there have been several alleged sightings. Estimates suggest at least £500,000 has already been spent.
A source close to the McCann family said: "Donations from the public are still coming in but to sustain the fund properly, we will need larger amounts. "If the media are prepared to make donations, we will take the money. There are a few propositions out there.
"We have had a couple of large companies involved in the film industry approach us about a long-term deal. IMG and the production company behind Touching The Void have approached Kate and Gerry. They have sent them a tape to watch to see the sort of film they make. We have only had a preliminary discussion."
Touching The Void, which earned £7 million at the box office, is the most successful British-made documentary, winning best British film at the 2004 Baftas and an Evening Standard best film.
Directed by Oscar-winner Kevin Macdonald and made by the London-based production company Darlow Smithson, it tells the story of Joe Simpson and Simon Yates and their near-fatal attempt to climb a mountain in the Peruvian Andes through a mixture of interviews with them and dramatic reconstructions. A movie of the McCanns' torment in the Algarve, if made by the Touching The Void team, could follow a similar method.
The source close to the McCanns warned that the couple will only be able to begin negotiations in earnest provided their status as official suspects - or arguidos - is lifted by Portuguese police. The couple's lawyers will apply for it to be removed in the coming months, once the doctors, both aged 39, have been re-interviewed by police amid reports that forensic evidence against them is at best "indicative" of their involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.
They insist the girl was abducted from their holiday apartment eight months ago as they ate at a nearby tapas restaurant and that she could still be alive. The source added: "The million-pound film deal is possible. It is the sort of thing we would look at seriously because in one fell swoop we could resolve the funding of the search overnight.
"What would really help is for the arguido status to be lifted and then a wave of sympathy would lead to more money coming in." The meeting tomorrow follows the resignation of key board members, including the fund's spokeswoman Esther McVey.
The fund agreed a deal in the autumn to pay the Barcelona-based agency Metodo 3 a retainer of £50,000 a month for six months to find Madeleine. Metodo 3 has come in for criticism over comments made by its boss Francisco Marco, including one that he knew who kidnapped Madeleine and a promise to find her by Christmas.
The fund has also been criticised for paying two months' worth of mortgage payments, amounting to a few thousand pounds, on the McCanns' home while they were in Portugal and unable to work. The services of the family's official spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, as well as the McCanns' legal team, is paid for by the couple's multi-millionaire supporter Brian Kennedy. Daily Mail
Ik doe mee:quote:Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 12:10 schreef Suko het volgende:
Goedemorgen Kahaarin. Je moet er toch niet aan denken dat Gordon Brown het allemaal al wist wat betreft die Omaghzaak (precedent voor andere zaken) , en dat het daarom misschien zou kunnen dat de gevonden DNA-sporen middels Low copy number DNA 'toevallig' worden benoemd en wss door de Britse rechtbank niet ontvankelijk wordt verklaard.
Ondertussen...
Madeleine the movie: McCanns in talks over missing daughter's story
Waar is m'n teiltje....
(Justice for Madeleine)
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=130367quote:Portuguese police investigating the disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann say they have enough proof to charge her parents.
The Sunday Mail says detectives plan to travel to the UK to re-interview Gerry and Kate McCann. However it is claimed they already have enough evidence to mount a case against the couple and expatriate British suspect Robert Murat. It has not been revealed what crimes the couple or Mr Murat would be charged with.
Madeline vanished from a Portuguese hotel in May while her parents ate at a nearby restaurant. It has been claimed the blood found in a car hired by the parents weeks after she disappeared, definitely came from the British girl.
Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha has cited police sources as saying new tests on blood found in the hire car conclusively showed it was the three year olds. It says police now have no doubts as to the little girl's fate.
Kate and Gerry McCann deny any involvement in their daughter's disappearance, they insist the presence of Madeleine's blood in the car is impossible because it was hired almost four weeks after she vanished.
Alle pers dabberde rond de McCanns, een medeplichtige kon best een tas met daarin het lijkje verdonkeremanen, de verdwenen tennistas van Gerry remember?quote:Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 12:33 schreef Flawless2006 het volgende:
Ik snap alleen niet:
1. Hoe ze ongemerkt dat lijk kunnen vervoeren met alle pers en politie
2. Een lijk bloedt niet na 25 dagen, dunkt me (en zoiets vervoer je in dekens)
Orginele bron: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/mundo/ult94u361186.shtmlquote:The British doctors Kate and Gerry McCann, parents of Madeleine, 4, missing person since 3 of May in the south of Portugal, had been again in the center of accusations after to be divulged that the blood found in a vehicle rented for the couple is of the girl. according to Portuguese periodical "Post office of the Morning", the samples of blood found in the Renault Scenic, rented for the McCann 25 days after the disappearance of the son, and behind a sofa in the hotel room where the family was housed in beach of the Light would be of Madeleine, evidence that fortifies the theory of that it has been assassinated for the parents. Until the moment, the forensic results had been inconclusivos. However, according to Portuguese periodical, exists a bond enters these samples of blood and Madeleine. Moreover, the English tablóide "The Sun" informed that resulted "definitive" of the laboratory of Forensic Sciences of Birmingham, in England, they apóiam the theory of that the girl was assassinated in the apartment, and that its body soon was carried in a vehicle. The Portuguese Judicial Policy reconstituted the occurrence with the girl, since the moment where it disappeared in the night of last day 3 of May. In turn, the official spokesman of the McCann, Clarence Mitchell, characterized "the very painful" version as for Kate and Gerry. "They are depressed, since one more time rumors without bedding and speculations are being presented as concrete evidence", it added. "and with relation to the DNA examinations, that official of policy said this? That official source is cited? None, as always ", said Mitchell. according to spokesman of the McCann "is ridicule" to suggest that the blood of Madeleine was in the automobile "since it never was in the vehicle". "Kate and Gerry in way none had been tied with its death, or with the transport of the body", it continued. The periodical "Post office of the Morning" based its information supposedly citing next sources to the inquiry that if oppose to the version of the McCann.
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