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Op maandag 19 maart 2007 00:29 schreef Ringo het volgende:@ delapoko: ben zo vrij om hier je eerste post te quoten uit het topic dat je noemde, dat verduidelijkt je standpunt:
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Ik weet geen reet van Sumerisch. En ik kan tot tien tellen in het Turks.
Volgens
Wikipedia is (was) het Sumerisch een isolaat, dus een taal zonder (bekende) voorouders of nakomelingen. Het is een
agglutinerende taal (net als het Turks of het Hongaars), dus een taal die op grammaticaal niveau met voor-, achter- en tussenvoegsels werkt, ipv met werkwoordsvervoegingen en naamwoordverbuigingen (
flecterende talen als Sanskriet, Grieks, Latijn en Duits) of op basis van woordvolgorde (
isolerende talen als het Chinees of het Engels).
Op zich is het Turks een taal die geografisch 'omsingeld' wordt door Indo-Europese talen, Romaans en Germaans vanuit het westen, Slavisch vanuit het noorden en noordwesten, Koerdisch en Perzisch vanuit het oosten; en door de Semitische talen (Arabisch en Hebreeuws) vanuit het zuiden.
Jij zou beweren dat het Turks afstamt van het Sumerisch. Hoe tel je in het Sumerisch?
Ik probeer eigenlijk alle Indo-Europeaanse en Semitische talen te herleiden naar een oertaal die door iedereen werd gesproken. Dus voor de taalverwarring (beschreven in de bijbel en Soemerische tabletten). Door Indo-Europeaanse en Semitische woorden af te breken krijg ik tot mijn verbazing hetzelfde betekenis in het Turks. Je kan de woorden afbreken en bestaande Turkse woorden krijgen, maar met een andere betekenis. Dat is dan toeval. Maar als alle woorden dan ook hetzelfde betekenissen hebben, dan is er iets mis. Zo'n groot toeval bestaat niet. En omdat Turks veel op Soemerisch lijkt (waarschijnlijk komen Soemeriers ook uit Centraal-Azie), meen ik dus dat Turks het dichts bij de oertaal ligt. Ik geloof dat Soemerisch ook een verbastering is van die oertaal.
Ik leg even alle huidige kennis over talen opzij en kijk met een frisse blik op een heel ander manier naar de talen en woorden. Ik zie dan dat bijv. Engelse, Latijnse, Griekse woorden anagrammen zijn van oud Turks en Soemerisch.
Ik beweer dus dat alle Indo-Europeaanse en Semitische woorden afstammen van die (pre-)Soemerische taal.
Woorden in Turks en Soemerisch:
SUMERIAN (Su.) TURKISH (Tr.)
A
Su. ABBA (father)
Tr. APA, BABA (father)
Su. ADDA (father, old man)
Tr. ATA (father)
Su. ABZU (waters under the earth)
Tr. APASU (father-water)
Su. EN-ZU (AB-ZU) (lord water)
Tr. HAN -SU (lord water). "Water" (SU) is a godly element.
Su. ADAM (creatures/human)
Tr. ADAM (man)
Su. AGA (crown, tiara)
Tr. AGA (AGA, AHA) (lord)
Su. AGAL (mightily)
Tr. ULU AGA (great lord)
Su. AGUR (endued with strength)
Tr. GUR (strength); GÜRLÜ (with strength)
Su. AMA (mother)
Tr. ANA (mother);
Su. AMAR (young bull)
Tr. EMER (suckling young calf or lamb)
Su. AN (high; sky, heaven)
Su. AN (DINGIR, God)
Tr. AN (sky) as in TANRI (from ATA-AN-ERI) ("father-sky-man")
Su. ANU (the God of Heaven)
Tr. HANU (that Lord, Sky Lord)
Su. ANA (suffix 3rd person singular pronoun)
Tr. ANU, ONU (3rd person singular pronoun)
Su. A-NA (interrogative pron. what?)
Tr. O-NE (interrogative pron. what?)
Su. A.QAR (field, terrritory)
Tr. KIR (field, land)
Su. AR (glory, renown)
Tr. AR (dignity)
Su. ARA (path)
Tr. ARA (narrow path)
Su. AS (one, one alone)
Tr. AS (one, peerless, all alone, god)
Su. ASAR (Strong, powerful)
Tr. ASER (one man, peerless man, strong man)
Su. ASh (kind of spelt, wheat)
Tr. ASh (barley, wheat, food)
Su. ASh-ME (sun disk)
Tr. IShIMA (shining)
Su. AZAG.UD; read as KUBABBAR (white)
Tr. AZ AG OD (essiz ak atash) (peerless white fire, sun-white).
B
Su. BA (to divide, portion out)
Tr. PAY (to divide, portion out)
Su. BA, BI (as demonstrative pron., this, that)
Tr. BU (as demonstrative pron., this)
Su. BAD; read BE = BELU (master, lord)
Akkad BELU (master, lord)
Tr. BEYLU (with mastership).
Akkad BELUTU (mastery, lordship)
Tr. BEYLUTU (BEYLIDI) (with mastery, with lordship).
Su. BAL (To excavate, dig out)
Tr. BEL (BELLEME) (to excavate, dig out).
Su. BAR (to shine, be bright)
Tr. PAR (root of PARLAMAK meaning "to shine, to glow, being bright)
Su. BILGAMESH (GILGAMESH) (men who new everything)
Tr. BILGAMESH (BILGEMISH) (he who has acquired knowledge".
Su. BILGA (old man)
Tr. BILGE (old wise man)
Su. BUR (make a hole)
Tr. BORU (a pipe which is a long hole)
Su. BUR (hole, opening)
Tr. BURGU (hole maker)
Su. BUR (to make a hole)
Tr. BURGU (hole maker)
D
Su. DAM (husband, or wife)
Su. DAM (ASHSHATU = Tr. 'ESHTU') (wife)
Tr. DAM (ev) (wife)
Su. DAM-ZU (his wife)
Tr. DAMI-SU (EVI-SU, EVI, EVLILIGI) (his home, his wife);
-SU, -SI is the Tr. verbal suffix meaning his/her.
Su. DE (to pour out voice, to speak, utter words)
Tr. DE (speak, say something, pour out words)
Su. DI / TUR (=DINU) (justice, court, law-suit)
Tr. DE (TÖRE, TORA, KANUN) (say, judgement, töre (torah), law, tradition).
Su. DI-TUR (justice, judgement)
Tr. DE TUR (KUTSAL DEME, TUR Demesi) (sacred say, justice, judgement, God's saying)
Su. DINGIR (God)
Su. DINGIR (= ILU) (God, Goddess); DINGIR is usually followed by the
Tr. TENGIR (TENGRI, TENGERE, TANGARA, TANRI, TENRI) (God)
Su. -Akkad DINGIR.LIM-nili, ("in the manner of a god")
Tr. TENGIR KIMI K to L shift (like a god).
Su. DU (to make, build, to strengthen)
Tr. EDU (ET U, YAP U) (it is to make, it is build, it is to strengthen)
Su. DU(g) (to make, build, to strengthen)
Tr. DIK (to build, to raise, to sew, to erect, to strengthen)
Su. DUR (to sit, dwell, abide)
Tr. DUR (stop);
Tr. OTUR (sitdown)
Su. DURU, DURI (for ever)
Tr. DURU, DURAN, TURAN (stays put, stays forever)
Su. DURUN (dewellers, settlers)
Tr. DURAN (settler, stopper)
Su. E (house, temple)
Tr. EV (house, temple)
Su. EGIR (afterwards, again, back)
Tr. GERI (back, again)
Su. EGIR (behind, after)
Tr. GERI, GERIDE (behind, after)
Su. EN (lord, noble)
Su. HEN (master)
Tr. HAN (lord, noble)
Su. ERI (slave)
Tr. ER (man, soldier, hero, husband, servant)
Su. ERIM (man, servant, soldier)
Su. ERUM (slave)
Tr. ERIM, ERUM (my man, my soldier, my servant)
Su. ESh (three)
Tr. ÜSh, ÜCh (Üç) (three)
G
Su. GA-AB (GAB) (breast)
Tr. GABAG (breast, chest, front)
Su. GAR (to do, make, establish)
Tr. GÖR (YAP) (see it done, make it, establish)
Su. GAZ (to slay, sacrifice)
Tr. GES (KES) (to slay, to cut, sacrifice)
Su. GID (to be long, long)
Tr. GID (GED) (long wooden pole)
Su. GID (to roam at large)
Tr. GIT, GEZ (go, walk, roam around at large)
Su. GIG (night, black, dark)
Tr. GECE (GEGE) (night, black, dark)
Su. GIN (to go)
Tr. GIT (to go)
Su. GIR (strength)
Tr. GÜR, (strength, powerful)
Su. GU [GIYU] (bank of river)
Tr. GIYU, GIYI, KIYI (bank of river, lake, sea, any water body)
Su. GULA (great, mighty)
Tr. AGA ULU (Great, mighty)
Su. GUR-GUR (to go here and there)
Tr. GIR GIR (gir gir, oraya buraya girip çikma, bos dolasma) (go here and there)
Su. GUR (huge, mighty)
Tr. GÜR (big, large, mighty, strong)
H
Su. HAR (usury, interest)
Tr. KAR , KÂR, ASHURU, ASHIRI (gain, what was earned in interest)
I
Su. I (properly the figure 1 (one))
Tr. I (BIR) (figure 1 (one)
Su. I = YA (oil)
Yr. YAG (oil, fat)
Su. I, IAG [1] (oil, butter, fat)
Tr. IAG, YAG (oil, butter, fat)
Su. id-IDIGNA (the river Tigris)
Tr. idi DICLE (adi DIGLE) (it was the river Tigris, its name is Tigris)
Su. ODI (chamber)
Tr. ODA (chamber, room)
Su. ILLU (first) with K/L shift
Tr. ILK U (it is first)
Su. ILU (to cry aloud, shriek)
Tr. ULU (to cry aloud, to howl, to shriek)
Su. IZI (fire)
Tr. ISHI (light); ISI (heat, fire); KÖZ (fire)
K
Su. KA (mouth, face)
Tr. KAPU (door, opening); GABAG (face);
Su. KALAG (KALA) (mighty)
Tr. KALA, (GALA, KALE, KULE) (tower, towering, mighty)
Su. KAR-LIL (temple woman, servant of Ishtar)
Tr. KARI, KADIN (woman)
Su. KI (place)
Tr. KÖY (village, country place)
Su. KID (cut off, remove)
Tr. KIDI, KIYDI (cut off into pieces, remove piece-by-piece)
Su. KI-SIKIL (maiden, young woman)
Tr. KIZGIL (KIZLAR) (the girls)
Tr. KIZLIK (maidenhood)
Su. KISLAH (uncultivated land)
Tr. KIShLAK (winter land, wintering grounds)
Su. KISHI (forehead)
Tr. KASH (eyebrow, forehead)
Su. KI-UR (foundation, site; )
Tr. KÖY YERI (village site);
Tr. KURU ("kurmak" fiilinden) (foundation);
Su. KUR (land, mountain)
Tr. KIR (country side, land, mountainous land)
L
Su. LA (used as negative)
Tr. MA (used as negative) {LA is a Semitic shift from Tr. MA as suffix of negativity.}
Su. LAL (honey)
Tr. BAL (honey)
Su. LUGAB (block of stone)
Tr. LABUG (LEPÜK) (block of flat stone)
Su. LIL (wind, storm)
Tr. YIL (wind, storm)
Su. LU ShU-GAL (commander)
Tr. OLA SÜ AGA ULU (Great Lord Soldier Man)
Su. LU TAPPU (companion, friend, equal)
Tr. OLA TAPUP (Found man, found friend).
M
Su. MA, MA-E (I, pers. pron. 1st pers. singular)
Tr. MEN (I, personal pron. 1st pers. singular)
Su. -MA (suffixed pers. pron. 1st. pers. singular)
Tr. -AM. -EM, -IM, -UM (verbal suffix pers. pron. 1st pers. sing.)
Su. MAH (high, exalted, splendid, magnificent)
Tr. MAH, MA (AY) (a name for Moon, high, magnificient)
Su. ME (command)
Tr. -ME, -MA (negative command suffix) as in "GEL-ME" meaning "do not come".
Su. MEEN (pers. pronoun 1st pers. plural)
Tr. MEN (personal pronoun 1st person singular)
Su. MU (suffix for personal pronoun 1st pers.)
Tr. -UM (suffix for genitive pron. 1st person singular implying "my" or "mine"
as in OKUL-UM (my school),
N
Su. NAM (fate)
Tr. NAM, AD, ISIM, KADER (name; a name is a person's fate).
Su. (A)NI (nominal and accusative pers. pronoun 3rd pers. singular)
Tr. ANI, ONU (nominal and accusative pers. pronoun 3rd pers. singular)
Su. NE (demonstrative pronoun)
Tr. NE? (what?)
Su. NIN (lady, mistress)
Tr. NINE (ANAANA) (grandmother)
Su. NINDA [4, p. 27] (crescent shaped loaf?, bread)
Tr. NAN, NANDI (bread, it is bread)
Su. NIN-GIR-SU (lord of GIRSU)
Tr. NINE-KIR-SU (goddess of field waters)
Su. NIN-LIL (wife of EN-LIL the wind god)
Tr. NINE-HAN-YEL (Grandmother lord wind)
Su. NI.TE [4, p. 111] (body, self)
Tr. TEN (body, self).
P
Su. PAGISh-BILGA (forefather, ancestor)
Tr. APA GISHI BILGA (APA BILGE KISI) (learned father person)
S
Su. SAR (to write)
Tr. YASAR, YAZAR (writer)
Su. SILIM (to be well, be safe)
Tr. SAGLAM (to be well, in good condition)
Su. SUR (to delimit; to mark a boundary)
Tr. SUR (SARMA, çeper, çevir) (to enclose in a wall, to make a boundary)
Su. SAG (to be favorable, friendly)
Tr. SAG, SAGLAM, DOGRU (to be good)
Su. ShU (suffix of direction-case in nouns)
Tr. ShU (this, that).
T
Su. -TA [4, p. 146] (suffix of ablative case, from)
Tr. -TAN, -DAN (Tr. suffix meaning 'from')
Su. TAG (touch)
Tr. TEG, DEG (touch)
Su. TUG [4, p. 163] (piece of cloth, garment)
Tr. TUG (a standart with a flag at its tip).
U
Su. U (ten)
Tr. UN (ON) (ten)
Su. U (and)
Tr. U (VE, U=V) (and)
Su. U [4, p. 167] (grass, plant); also a determinative with names of plants.
Tr. UT (OT) (grass, plant).
Su. U [4, p. 167] (sleep, dream)
Tr. UYU (sleep)
Su. UD (sun, light, day)
Tr. OD (fire, light, heat).
Su. UDUN (stove)
Tr. ODUN (wood that is burned in stove).
Su. UR, UR-KU, UR.TUG (dog)
Tr. ÜRÜ, ÜRÜK, ÜRÜTÜK (ÜRÜYEN / havlayan) (that which barks, dog).
Su. UR (foundation)
Tr. ÖRÜ (örülmüs) (woven)
Su. URU (city, town) [4]
Tr. ÖRÜ, AUL, KÖY (kurulush) (village, town, city)
Su. UR (to rage, destroy)
Tr. VUR (war, destroy, break, hit)
Su. Dingir UD = Dingir UTU (Sun god)
Tr. Tengir OD (OD TANRI, GUN TANRI) (sun god).
Su. US (to stand upon)
Tr. UST (above, top most)
Su. DingirUTU-ShI = ShAMShU, ShAMSHI; YA [4, p. 172] (nom. Dingir.ISTANUS "Sun")
Tr. AYA (light, sunlight, sun)
Z
Su. ZAG (side)
Tr. SAG (right side)
Su. ZAG (favorable, good)
Tr. SAG (in good state, acceptable, in good order).
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