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In november 1978 bracht Leo Ryan, een congreslid van de Verenigde Staten, samen met een aantal journalisten een bezoek aan de sekte, als onderdeel van het onderzoek naar misbruik. Daar aangekomen leek hij in een hemel op aarde te zijn beland, een soort eigentijds Utopia. De mensen waren vrolijk, er werd gedanst en gezongen en Ryan raakte overtuigd van het ongelijk van de verdachtmakingen. Maar dat veranderde toen hij op de avond voor zijn vertrek heimelijk briefjes ontving van mensen die hoopten via hem te ontsnappen.

Dus als Ryan geen briefjes had gehad, had de sekte misschien nog bestaan?
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  zondag 7 januari 2007 @ 17:52:38 #53
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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 17:28 schreef zoalshetis het volgende:

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in je middenalinea klinkt het net of je het wel snapt dat kinderen en überhaupt mensen cyankali dronken.

de dag dat de senator langskwam deed jim er alles aan om de schone schijn op te houden. feesten, dansen eten. totdat de senator briefjes kreeg en doorhad dat jim mannen tegen hun zin anaal bewerkte, vrouwen mishandelde en kinderen zelfs doodde.

hij was gewoon een gekke psychopaat die zijn eigen moordlust en haat (na het neerschieten van het vliegtuig) niet kon verkroppen en als boetedoening 900+ mensen heeft omgebracht.
Het verschijnsel Jim Jones heeft mij altijd enorm gefascineerd. Of beter gezegd: Hoe kan het bestaan dat een grote groep mensen een krankzinnige tot het einde volgt. Hetzelfde geldt natuurlijk voor Hitler, Pol Pot en soortgelijken.

De volgelingen geloofden totaal in hun leider. Zozeer zelfs dat hun eigen leven minder belangrijk was dan "de goede zaak" waar hun leider voor stond. Ja zozeer zelfs dat ze het leven van hun eigen familieleden minder belangrijk vonden dan het grote ideaal. Zelfs wanneer het ideaal aan de grillen van hun leider was onderworpen. Kinderen die cyaankali slikken, al dan niet gedwongen door hun ouders, is iets wat ver van mijn dagelijks leven afstaat. Ik moet het dus van de informatie hebben die ik via de media krijg.

Snappen is eigenlijk niet het goede woord hiervoor. Het is meer dat ik er het één en ander over heb gelezen en dat ik het probeer te verklaren. Dat wil zeggen beredeneren. Een gevoel, anders dan walging en angst, heb ik hier niet bij.
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  zondag 7 januari 2007 @ 17:54:15 #54
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  zondag 7 januari 2007 @ 17:54:23 #55
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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 17:45 schreef koen_pijl het volgende:
In november 1978 bracht Leo Ryan, een congreslid van de Verenigde Staten, samen met een aantal journalisten een bezoek aan de sekte, als onderdeel van het onderzoek naar misbruik. Daar aangekomen leek hij in een hemel op aarde te zijn beland, een soort eigentijds Utopia. De mensen waren vrolijk, er werd gedanst en gezongen en Ryan raakte overtuigd van het ongelijk van de verdachtmakingen. Maar dat veranderde toen hij op de avond voor zijn vertrek heimelijk briefjes ontving van mensen die hoopten via hem te ontsnappen.

Dus als Ryan geen briefjes had gehad, had de sekte misschien nog bestaan?
Jim Jones was heftig aan de dope. In Guyana is pretsneeuw natuurlijk volop verkrijgbaar. Door overmatig gebruik was hij al behoorlijk paranoïde geworden. De kans bestaat dus dat er wel iets anders had kunnen gebeuren waardoor hij was doorgedraaid.
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  zondag 7 januari 2007 @ 17:57:14 #56
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Nou als ik nu is zo op wikipedia kijk dan is het toch niet echt een zomare zelfmoord waarbij ze de sekteleider volgen. Ze werden gewoon bang gemaakt dat de troepen eraan kwamen en hun zouden martelen...tja

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
  zondag 7 januari 2007 @ 17:57:18 #57
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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 17:23 schreef 2dope het volgende:

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Leo Ryan en een aantal journalisten zijn eerder die dag dus uit de lucht geschoten door Jim Jones en z'n homies. Daarom is dus ook dat hele suicide festijn begonnen, omdat Jim Jones zijn nakomelingen aanspoorden met als argument dat hun kinderen anders binnen zeer korte tijd zouden worden gemarteld etc. door Guyaanse troepen.
Ja, daar is ook geen duidelijkheid over, ene keer lees je dat ie op het vliegveld zelf is neer geschoten:
"In November 1978, the cult was visited at Jonestown by Leo Ryan, a United States Congressman from San Francisco, California, who was investigating claims of abuse within it. During this visit, a number of Temple members expressed a desire to leave along with the Congressman, and the entire group of them went with him to the local airstrip. There, Temple security guards fired on the group, killing Congressman Ryan, three journalists, and a Temple member who wanted to leave. The shootings were captured on film by one of the journalists who died in the attack."

En de andere keer dat ie pas in de lucht is vermoord:
"Nietsvermoedend steeg Ryan met zijn gezelschap in zijn vliegtuig op, maar werd door volgelingen van Jones neergeschoten. Hierbij kwamen Ryan, drie journalisten en een ex-volgeling om het leven. Eén van de journalisten slaagde er nog in voor zijn overlijden de aanslag op film vast te leggen."

Maar dat stukje over die kaping staat hier weer los van omdat het verteld wordt als iets dat nog moet gebeuren. Dus het is geen verwijzing naar de moord op Ryan.
Nee echt niet.
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Born: 13-May-1931
Birthplace: Crete, IN
Died: 18-Nov-1978
Location of death: Jonestown, Guyana
Cause of death: Suicide
Remains: Cremated, Ashes scattered at sea


Gender: Male
Religion: Cult
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Bisexual
Occupation: Religion

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Led mass People's Temple suicide

Father: James Thurman Jones (reported KKK member, d. 29-May-1951)
Mother: Lynetta Putnam (d. Dec-1977)
Wife: Marceline Baldwin (m. 12-Jun-1949, d. 18-Nov-1978)
Son: Stephan Jones
Daughter: Agnes (adopted)
Son: Lew Eric (adopted)
Girlfriend: Phyllis Wilmore (high school girlfriend)


High School: Richmond High School, Richmond, IN (1949)
University: Indiana University
University: BS, Butler University (1961)


Communist Party USA
Sex in Public Los Angeles, CA (13-Dec-1973)
Shot: Self-Inflicted (18-Nov-1978)
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Jim Jones
Failed monkey salesman.
Despite his sociopathy, one must give Jim Jones mad props for loyalty and people management skills. First, he transforms his seemingly mainstream San Francisco congregation into a full-blown religious cult. Next he convinces the government of Guyana to give him 300 acres of South American jungle, and relocates 1,100 cult members to this distant hellhole. Finally, in 1978 after it all goes horribly wrong, Jones still manages to convince 900 of them to swallow poison in massively parallel suicide, the likes of which the world had never seen.

Arrested in a cruisy restroom in Los Angeles.

By the way, it wasn't Kool-Aid. It was Flavor Aid®. Different company altogether.


Timeline
13 Dec 1973 The Reverend Jim Jones is arrested in a cruisy movie theater bathroom in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, Jones had the bad luck to hit on an undercover LAPD vice officer while masturbating in the Westlake Theatre men's room.
5 Oct 1976 Bob Houston is pushed under a train, the day after announcing his intention to leave the People's Temple.
18 Nov 1978 The assassination of Congressman Leo J. Ryan and the 900-person mass suicide at Jonestown, Guyana.
1989 The abandoned People's Temple building on Geary and Steiner in San Francisco is razed following the Loma Prieta earthquake. A post office now stands in its place.
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  zondag 7 januari 2007 @ 18:14:14 #60
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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 17:30 schreef 2dope het volgende:
Tijdens het geluidsfragment is Jones overigens zo high als een garnaal.
lsd en downers idd. zeggen 'ze'.
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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 17:12 schreef zoalshetis het volgende:
hij heeft zichzelf trouwens een kogel door zijn kop gejaagd. waarom hij niet dronk heb ik nooit begrepen.
Omdat het een pijnljke dood is??
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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 18:34 schreef Bart1984 het volgende:

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Omdat het een pijnljke dood is??
ja , ik was cynisch.
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nog wat info. van http://www.religioustolerance.org/dc_jones.htm

Background of the People's Temple:
This was a Christian destructive, doomsday cult founded and led by James Warren Jones (1931-1978). Jim Jones held degrees from Indiana University and Butler University. He was not a Fundamentalist pastor as many reports in the media and the anti-cult movement claim. He belonged to a mainline Christian denomination, having been ordained in the Christian Church/Disciples of Christ. (At the time of his ordination, the DoC allowed a local congregation to select and ordain a minister on their own. However, ordinations conducted without denominational endorsement were not considered valid within the rest of the church.)

The Peoples Temple was initially structured as an inter-racial mission for the sick, homeless and jobless. He assembled a large following of over 900 members in Indianapolis IN during the 1950's. "He preached a 'social gospel' of human freedom, equality, and love, which required helping the least and the lowliest of society's members. Later on, however, this gospel became explicitly socialistic, or communistic in Jones' own view, and the hypocrisy of white Christianity was ridiculed while 'apostolic socialism' was preached." 1 It was an interracial congregation -- almost unheard of in Indiana at the time. When a government investigation began into his cures for cancer, heart disease and arthritis, he decided to move the group to Ukiah in Northern California. He preached the imminent end of the world in a nuclear war; Ukiah was judged to be as safe as any when war broke out. They later moved to San Francisco and Los Angeles. After an expose during the mid 1970's in the magazine New West raised suspicions of illegal activities within the Temple, he moved some of the Temple membership to Jonestown, Guyana. The Temple had leased almost 4,000 acres of dense jungle from the government. They established an agricultural cooperative there, called the "Peoples Temple Agricultural Project." They raised animals for food, and assorted tropical fruits and vegetables for consumption and sale.

Jones developed a belief called Translation in which he and his followers would all die together, and would move to another planet for a life of bliss. Mass suicides were practiced in which his followers pretended to drink poison and fell to the ground.

During the late 1970's, Jones had been abusing prescription drugs and appears to have become increasingly paranoid. Rumors of human rights abuses circulated. As in most high-intensity religious groups, there was a considerable flow of people joining and leaving the group. Tim Stoen, the Temple attorney and right-hand man to Jones left to form Concerned Relatives who claimed that Jonestown was being run like a concentration camp, and that people were being held there against their will. This motivated Leo Ryan, a Congressman, to visit Jonestown in 1978-NOV for a personal inspection. At first, the visit went well. Later, on NOV-18, about 16 Temple members decided that they wanted to leave Jonestown with the visitors. This came as quite a blow to both Jones and the rest of the project. While Ryan and the others were waiting at Port Kiatuma airfield, the local airstrip, some heavily armed members of the Temple's security guards arrived and started shooting. Congressman Ryan and four others were killed; three were members of the press; the other was a person from Jonestown who wanted to leave. 11 were wounded. Fearing retribution, the project members discuss their options. They reach a consensus to commit group suicide. 914 died: 638 adults and 276 children. Some sources say 911 died. Most appear to have committed suicide by drinking a grape drink laced with cyanide and a number of sedatives, including liquid Valium, Penegram and chloral hydrate. Some sources say it was Kool-Aid; others say FlaVor-Aid®. Other victims appear to have been murdered by poison injection. The Guyanese coroner said that hundreds of bodies showed needle marks, indicating foul play. Still other victims were shot. A very few fled into the jungle and survived. The bodies were in a state of extensive decay when the authorities arrived. There was no time to conduct a thorough investigation. TV station KTVU in San Francisco CA has a collection of photographs of the "Peoples temple Agricultural Project." Some are quite disturbing. Unfortunately, their web site implies that all of the dead committed suicide. 14

The Peoples Temple organization did not survive the mass suicide/murder in Guyana. Their former headquarters building in San Francisco was demolished by the Loma Prieta earthquake of 1989.


Conspiracy Theories
The murder/suicide of over 900 people sent shockwaves through the world. It generated enormous public support for the anti-cult and counter-cult movements, which continues today. As with many major political assassinations or mass murders, Jonestown has spawned a number of conspiracy theories which attempt to explain this remarkable occurrence:

Some people believe that the People's Temple was an experimental laboratory operated for or by the CIA in order to perfect mind-control techniques. They speculate that Leo Ryan uncovered this information and that he and over 900 of Jones' followers had to be assassinated in order to maintain secrecy. We have not been able to uncover any hard evidence that would support this belief. U.S. government records relating to the mass deaths have never been made public. This contributes to the conspiracy theory. "In 1980, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence announced that there was 'no evidence' of CIA involvement at Jonestown." 11
Some have suggested that Jones worked closely with the communist governments of Cuba and the USSR in the hopes of eventually moving the Temple to the USSR.
The anti-cult movement also cites mind-control techniques by Jim Jones and his officials as the cause of the disaster. It is often claimed that the Jonestown disaster was a mass suicide made possible by mind-control. The many victims who were shot or forcibly injected with poison are ignored. Some surviving members claim that they were exposed to mind-control methods. However, others claim that it was the best experience of their life.
Some claim that Jonestown was a spectacularly successful grass-roots demonstration of what people could accomplish if they break free of capitalism and join in a common cause. They speculate that the U.S. government assassinated the people at Jonestown because they could not tolerate its success. 12
Some in the academic community view the disaster as having been primarily caused by the hounding of Jonestown by anti-cult groups, news reporters and federal investigative agencies. If this theory is true, then the mass death at Jonestown was a self-fulfilling prophecy. 1,2,3,4


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Our Assessment:
The views of the anti-cult movement are hopelessly divergent from those of sociologists and NRM (New Religious Movements) researchers . Our beliefs, for what it is worth, are that the main contributing factors to the Jonestown tragedy were:

Jim Jones' mental illness, aggravated by his use of drugs.
The group's intense fear of the imminent end of civilization.
The extreme isolation of the Agricultural Project.
Opposition and pressure from anti-cult groups, the media and U.S. government.


Freedom of Information:
The Committee on Foreign Affairs of the U.S. House of Representatives (now called the Committee on International Relations) conducted an investigation into Congressman Ryan's death. Much of the documentation that they collected on Jonestown was classified and has "remained inaccessible for the intervening decades to scholars, individuals who lost family members at Jonestown, and the general public." 9 An academic group of NRM scholars asked the House committee to declassify the documents. They held a press conference on the 20th anniversary of Ryan's death, 1998-NOV-18 in Washington. Dr. Gordon Melton of the Institute for the Study of American Religion said:
"Twenty years later there appears to be no compelling issues of national security or interest to keep these documents secret...it is our belief that the time has come for the release of these documents so that a more thorough assessment of what occurred at Jonestown can be made. Our understanding of the Jonestown deaths is still hindered by the unavailability of numerous key documents that would highlight the situation at Jonestown immediately prior to and during Congressman Ryan's visit, the relationship of the State Department to the Jonestown community, and the state of mind of Peoples Temple leader, Rev. Jim Jones."
Over 6000 pages of information has been obtained from the U.S. Department of State by an unknown person who has posted it on the Internet. 7

References:
Department of Philosophy and Religion, University of North Dakota, "Alternative Considerations of Jonestown and the People's Temple," at: http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~remoore/jonestown Keven Hozak has published "an alternative view to the usual anti-cult hysteria which characterized discussion of Peoples Temple... It will also raise questions about the treatment of Peoples Temple -- both in life and in death -- by various governmental agencies: local, state, and federal." See Report 1 and Report2
M. McCormick Maaga & Catherine Wessinger, "Hearing the Voices of Jonestown," Syracuse University Press, Syracuse NY (1998) Read reviews and/or order this book from the Amazon.com online bookstore
Catherine Wessinger, Ed., "Millennialism, Persecution and Violence: Historical Cases (Religion and Politics)," Syracuse University Press, (2000). Read reviews / order this book
John R. Hall, article in Stuart A. Wright, Ed., "Armageddon in Waco", University of Chicago Press, Chicago IL, (1996). Read reviews / order this book
Tobin Dickerson, "People's Temple - Jonestown," at: http://www.religiousmovements.org This essay has an extensive bibliography and list of hyperlinks to People's Temple web sites.
SF Gate at www.sfgate.com has a series of articles from the San Francisco Chronicle on Jonestown that you can find by entering jonestown in the "jump to:" box.
The Jonestown, Guyana Tragedy: Primary Source Materials From The U.S. Department of State at: http://www.icehouse.net/zodiac/ had over 6000 documents obtained from the State Department. Included on the website were parts of the House of Representatives' report on Jonestown. The web site is no longer online. but an archive copy may still be available at: http://web.archive.org/we(...)t/zodiac/index.html.
Laurie Efrein Kahalas, is a surviving member of the People's Temple: She has written the book: "SNAKE DANCE: Unravelling [sic] the Mysteries of Jonestown," Trafford Publishing, (1998). Read reviews / order this book
She has a website at: http://www.jonestown.com She was "contacted by an Angelic Presence four years prior to what the world would come to know as 'The Jonestown Tragedy.' "
She has written an essay "About Jonestown: An open letter to scholars, activists, and advocates for religious freedom" which is online at: http://etext.virginia.edu/


"Scholars present request to declassify Jonestown documents," at: http://www.cesnur.org/
Deborah Layton, "Seductive Poison: A Jonestown Survivor's Story of Life and Death in the People's Temple," Anchor (1998). Read reviews and/or order it
Jonathan Vankin and John Whalen. "The Jonestown Massacre: CIA Mind Control Run Amok?," at: http://www.conspire.com/jones.html
"Peoples Temple (Jonestown)," at: http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/
Tim Reiterman & John Jacobs, "Raven: The untold story of Reverend Jim Jones and his people," E.P. Dutton (1982). Read reviews / order this book
"Somber Remembrance of Jonestown Massacre," 11 photographs, KTVU, at: http://www.ktvu.com/

Movie trailer:
A movie trailer for: "Jonestown: The Life and Death of Peoples Temple" is available on YouTube. It was constructed from news footage and former peoples temple members. See: http://www.youtube.com/

en: http://www.fhj.nl/Odysseu(...)eiders/jim_jones.htm

en een van de eerste sekteleiders na jezus en mohamed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Divine
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Notably, Mother S. A. Divine fought an attempt by cult leader Jim Jones to take over the movement in 1971. Jones based some of his doctrines on the International Peace Mission movement, and claimed to be the reincarnation of Father Divine. He was only able to persuade one member to join his cult, the Peoples Temple. The convert wrote Mother Divine trying to convince her that Jones was Father Divine until the infamous mass suicide in Jonestown, Guyana in 1978.

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uit het fragment in de OP:
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Live has no meaning. I'm your best friend
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"When I read the Bhagavad Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous". (Einstein)
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Bestaat die cult nog steeds?
All those moments will be lost, like tears in rain... Time to die.
  dinsdag 9 januari 2007 @ 00:33:20 #67
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10 minutes to cool-aid
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Wat is eigenlijk het verschil tussen een sekte en een ""normale"" religie?
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  dinsdag 9 januari 2007 @ 18:28:35 #69
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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 18:19 schreef Bart1984 het volgende:
Wat is eigenlijk het verschil tussen een sekte en een ""normale"" religie?
Het extremisme lijkt me.
hoewell.. islam en shit...
Op vrijdag 19 januari 2007 05:02 schreef RottePeer het volgende:
je bent zelf een slechte kaolo-kloon boeler. pitoes smoken is da shizznit
met je homo-ass poppetje met make-up op z'n wangen
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Ik zie toch wel wat overeenkomsten tussen sekten en "normale" religie's.....
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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 18:51 schreef Bart1984 het volgende:
Ik zie toch wel wat overeenkomsten tussen sekten en "normale" religie's.....
Het draait toch ook om hetzelfde principe...een auto en een bus hebben toch ook overeenkomsten
Something good: you look like Snoopy and it makes me smile.
Where you need improvement: you have smelly dog farts.
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gruwelijk maar ook fascinerend verhaal.

had tot sinds kort niet van gehoord.
en weet ook sinds pas dat 'to drink the Kool-Aid' hier vandaan.

vorig jaar is hier een documentaire-film over uigekomen:
http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/39649 - heeft prijzen gewonnen.
maar ik weet niet hoe ik deze documentaire kan zien.

PBS zendt hier op 9 april een documentaire over uit.
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AMERICAN EXPERIENCE “Jonestown”
Monday, April 9, 2007, 9:00-10:30 p.m. ET
On November 17, 1978, Congressman Leo Ryan traveled to an isolated rainforest in Guyana to investigate rumors of human rights abuse in a jungle compound known as Jonestown. Within 48 hours, Jim Jones, the compound’s leader, Ryan and more than 900 Jonestown settlers were dead — casualties of the largest mass murder-suicide in history. In “Jonestown,” AMERICAN EXPERIENCE goes beyond the salacious headlines to provide a revealing portrait of Jones, his followers and the times that produced the calamity in the Guyanese jungle.
iemand in Amerika neemt dit voor me op.

wat ik mij vooral aangreep dat de kinderen en babies als eerste het gif moesten drinken.

voor de ouders was het zo makkelijker om ook het gif te nemen omdat met het beeld van de kinderen en babies die een gruwelijke dood sterven op hun netvlies moeilijk verder te leven is.




hier info er over:
http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/
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Een andere grote sekte is 'the family'. Een absurd en tragisch verhaal.
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Ricky came into the world on January 25th, 1975 on the island of Tenerife in the Canary Islands of Spain. His mother, Karen Zerby, was the companion of David Berg (1919-1994), founder and leader of The Children of God / The Family, a high-demand, highly sexualised, apocalyptic religious movement. Nicknamed Davidito (his birth name was David Moses Zerby), Rick spent his childhood and early adult years living and travelling with his mother and Berg in Europe, Asia, and Canada.

From his birth, David Berg and Karen Zerby determined to make Ricky a “poster boy” for their followers. He was, according to them, a divine prince, destined to lead the Children of God through the biblical endtime. As such, they felt that Ricky must be moulded into an ideal follower, an incarnation of their beliefs and practices. His upbringing was exhaustively documented and highly publicized as a model for all parents in The Family to follow. As a result, Ricky's childhood and youth was spent in a highly controlled environment characterized by intense indoctrination, stringent discipline, and sexual initiation by adults.
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Main_Page

http://www.rickyrodriguez.net/index.php









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Wat collectieve zelfmoord betreft, dik tien jaar geleden had je de sekte Heavens' Gate. Volgelingen geloofden dat de komeet Hale Bopp een boodschap was dat het einde der tijden was aangebroken.




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http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJonestown/WhoDied/whodied_list.php

Een lijst met namen en foto's van de mensen die er dood zijn gegaan, vooral zwarte amerikanen.
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