sekteleider jim jones

het is 18-11 '78. de sekteleider jim jones praat meer dan 900 mensen de dood in en draagt ze op hun gifdrankje te drinken. hier een interessante link over de laatste uren/minuten van zijn snode plan.


het is een geluidsfragment van niet al te beste kwaliteit.


http://www.archive.org/details/ptc1978-11-18.flac16

[ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door zoalshetis op 07-01-2007 15:30:20 ]

flinke wigger trouwens, die jim.

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 15:34 schreef oldschoolf00l het volgende:

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Prachtig.
Wat ga je hierna brengen? De moord op Kennedy?

was er al veel info over deze man op fok!?

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 15:43 schreef Viking84 het volgende:
van de people's temple hè.

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 15:45 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Ik geloof dat het niet altijd zo vrijwillig ging.

klopt. meneer jones had genoeg helpers om er voor te zorgen dat er geen ooggetuigen waren.

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 16:15 schreef Nosh het volgende:
Damn, heel onwerkelijk. Vooral die kinderen, en dat gehuil tussendoor.

Dit gebeurde eerder die dag.
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Echt. Wtf.

ik zou die film wel eens willen zien. alhoewel ik me uit mijn schooltijd kan herinneren dat ik het een keer gezien heb. iemand een linkje?

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 16:33 schreef miss_sly het volgende:
Ik heb die film inderdaad ook wel eens gezien. Vond hem wel indrukwekkend. Ik kon me echt niet voorstellen dat 1 man zo'n invloed kon hebben op zoveel mensen. Mensen die hun eigen kinderen hierin meenamen....echt ongelofelijk!

als je dat vergelijkt met de moord op david koresh en zijn volgelingen door de overheid. trés bizar

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 16:34 schreef miss_sly het volgende:
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0080832/

Die denk ik?

nou nee meer een docu, sorry.

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 16:36 schreef miss_sly het volgende:

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Maar Koresh had maar een kleine groep volgelingen ivm Jones, toch?

ja iets van 200 volgelingen. hij is dan ook absoluut niet te vergelijken, alleen dat sommigen denken dat de fbi ook achter de jim jones suicide zit.

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 16:58 schreef Reya het volgende:

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Of het geheel pijnloos is weet ik niet, maar cyaankali zorgt in ieder geval voor een snelle dood, en je raakt nog sneller buiten bewustzijn.

het is bijzonder pijnlijk.

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 17:08 schreef Bart1984 het volgende:
Ik zat het net te luisteren, opeens hoor je de mensen niet meer praten. Zijn ze dan dood??

ja

hij heeft zichzelf trouwens een kogel door zijn kop gejaagd. waarom hij niet dronk heb ik nooit begrepen.

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 17:16 schreef Isegrim het volgende:

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Heb het dan ook maar niet afgeluisterd. Kan niet zo goed tegen die dingen.

de geluidskwaliteit is te slecht om het gorgelende geluid van cyankali te horen. jim lult maar door en spoort ze aan sneller te werk te gaan, 905 is nogal wat namelijk. je hoort ook geen schoten. alleen volgelingen die de mensen aansporen en vertellen dat de dood iets moois is na het leven met jim.

ook hoor je een hysterische vrouw die hij volgens mij de mond snoert door een paar volgelingen.

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 17:22 schreef Knip het volgende:
Hoe kon hij de mensen zo ver krijgen? Dat heb ik me ook afgevraagd.

Jim Jones had mensen om zich heen verzameld die veelal buiten de maatschappij stonden. Mensen met verslavingsproblemen, etnische minderheden die zwaar gediscrimineerd werden. Deze mensen hadden niet veel van de maatschappij te verwachten. Bedenk dat in de jaren 70 de koude oorlog nog vol aan de gang was. De club van Rome had de wereld grote schrik aangejaagd. De volgelingen van Jim Jones hadden het idee opgevat dat het nog beter was om de hand aan jezelf te slaan dan om te komen door de exessen van de verderfelijke, oorlogvoerende, milieuvervuilende maatschappij. Dit idee werd ook keer op keer door Jim Jones herhaad. Kortom, de volgelingen waren ervan overtuigd dat eens de dag zou komen dat zij zouden besluiten zelf uit dit leven te stappen in plaats van te sterven door een fall out regen of een andere ramp die door de maatschappij was veroorzaakt.

De dag dat de senatoren langskwamen besloot JIm Jones dat het zover was en kon de collectieve zelfmoord, c.q. moord plaatsvinden.

in je middenalinea klinkt het net of je het wel snapt dat kinderen en überhaupt mensen cyankali dronken.

de dag dat de senator langskwam deed jim er alles aan om de schone schijn op te houden. feesten, dansen eten. totdat de senator briefjes kreeg en doorhad dat jim mannen tegen hun zin anaal bewerkte, vrouwen mishandelde en kinderen zelfs doodde.

hij was gewoon een gekke psychopaat die zijn eigen moordlust en haat (na het neerschieten van het vliegtuig) niet kon verkroppen en als boetedoening 900+ mensen heeft omgebracht.

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 17:30 schreef 2dope het volgende:
Tijdens het geluidsfragment is Jones overigens zo high als een garnaal.

lsd en downers idd. zeggen 'ze'.

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Op zondag 7 januari 2007 18:34 schreef Bart1984 het volgende:

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Omdat het een pijnljke dood is??

ja , ik was cynisch.

nog wat info. van http://www.religioustolerance.org/dc_jones.htm

Background of the People's Temple:
This was a Christian destructive, doomsday cult founded and led by James Warren Jones (1931-1978). Jim Jones held degrees from Indiana University and Butler University. He was not a Fundamentalist pastor as many reports in the media and the anti-cult movement claim. He belonged to a mainline Christian denomination, having been ordained in the Christian Church/Disciples of Christ. (At the time of his ordination, the DoC allowed a local congregation to select and ordain a minister on their own. However, ordinations conducted without denominational endorsement were not considered valid within the rest of the church.)

The Peoples Temple was initially structured as an inter-racial mission for the sick, homeless and jobless. He assembled a large following of over 900 members in Indianapolis IN during the 1950's. "He preached a 'social gospel' of human freedom, equality, and love, which required helping the least and the lowliest of society's members. Later on, however, this gospel became explicitly socialistic, or communistic in Jones' own view, and the hypocrisy of white Christianity was ridiculed while 'apostolic socialism' was preached." 1 It was an interracial congregation -- almost unheard of in Indiana at the time. When a government investigation began into his cures for cancer, heart disease and arthritis, he decided to move the group to Ukiah in Northern California. He preached the imminent end of the world in a nuclear war; Ukiah was judged to be as safe as any when war broke out. They later moved to San Francisco and Los Angeles. After an expose during the mid 1970's in the magazine New West raised suspicions of illegal activities within the Temple, he moved some of the Temple membership to Jonestown, Guyana. The Temple had leased almost 4,000 acres of dense jungle from the government. They established an agricultural cooperative there, called the "Peoples Temple Agricultural Project." They raised animals for food, and assorted tropical fruits and vegetables for consumption and sale.

Jones developed a belief called Translation in which he and his followers would all die together, and would move to another planet for a life of bliss. Mass suicides were practiced in which his followers pretended to drink poison and fell to the ground.

During the late 1970's, Jones had been abusing prescription drugs and appears to have become increasingly paranoid. Rumors of human rights abuses circulated. As in most high-intensity religious groups, there was a considerable flow of people joining and leaving the group. Tim Stoen, the Temple attorney and right-hand man to Jones left to form Concerned Relatives who claimed that Jonestown was being run like a concentration camp, and that people were being held there against their will. This motivated Leo Ryan, a Congressman, to visit Jonestown in 1978-NOV for a personal inspection. At first, the visit went well. Later, on NOV-18, about 16 Temple members decided that they wanted to leave Jonestown with the visitors. This came as quite a blow to both Jones and the rest of the project. While Ryan and the others were waiting at Port Kiatuma airfield, the local airstrip, some heavily armed members of the Temple's security guards arrived and started shooting. Congressman Ryan and four others were killed; three were members of the press; the other was a person from Jonestown who wanted to leave. 11 were wounded. Fearing retribution, the project members discuss their options. They reach a consensus to commit group suicide. 914 died: 638 adults and 276 children. Some sources say 911 died. Most appear to have committed suicide by drinking a grape drink laced with cyanide and a number of sedatives, including liquid Valium, Penegram and chloral hydrate. Some sources say it was Kool-Aid; others say FlaVor-Aid®. Other victims appear to have been murdered by poison injection. The Guyanese coroner said that hundreds of bodies showed needle marks, indicating foul play. Still other victims were shot. A very few fled into the jungle and survived. The bodies were in a state of extensive decay when the authorities arrived. There was no time to conduct a thorough investigation. TV station KTVU in San Francisco CA has a collection of photographs of the "Peoples temple Agricultural Project." Some are quite disturbing. Unfortunately, their web site implies that all of the dead committed suicide. 14

The Peoples Temple organization did not survive the mass suicide/murder in Guyana. Their former headquarters building in San Francisco was demolished by the Loma Prieta earthquake of 1989.


Conspiracy Theories
The murder/suicide of over 900 people sent shockwaves through the world. It generated enormous public support for the anti-cult and counter-cult movements, which continues today. As with many major political assassinations or mass murders, Jonestown has spawned a number of conspiracy theories which attempt to explain this remarkable occurrence:

Some people believe that the People's Temple was an experimental laboratory operated for or by the CIA in order to perfect mind-control techniques. They speculate that Leo Ryan uncovered this information and that he and over 900 of Jones' followers had to be assassinated in order to maintain secrecy. We have not been able to uncover any hard evidence that would support this belief. U.S. government records relating to the mass deaths have never been made public. This contributes to the conspiracy theory. "In 1980, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence announced that there was 'no evidence' of CIA involvement at Jonestown." 11
Some have suggested that Jones worked closely with the communist governments of Cuba and the USSR in the hopes of eventually moving the Temple to the USSR.
The anti-cult movement also cites mind-control techniques by Jim Jones and his officials as the cause of the disaster. It is often claimed that the Jonestown disaster was a mass suicide made possible by mind-control. The many victims who were shot or forcibly injected with poison are ignored. Some surviving members claim that they were exposed to mind-control methods. However, others claim that it was the best experience of their life.
Some claim that Jonestown was a spectacularly successful grass-roots demonstration of what people could accomplish if they break free of capitalism and join in a common cause. They speculate that the U.S. government assassinated the people at Jonestown because they could not tolerate its success. 12
Some in the academic community view the disaster as having been primarily caused by the hounding of Jonestown by anti-cult groups, news reporters and federal investigative agencies. If this theory is true, then the mass death at Jonestown was a self-fulfilling prophecy. 1,2,3,4


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Our Assessment:
The views of the anti-cult movement are hopelessly divergent from those of sociologists and NRM (New Religious Movements) researchers . Our beliefs, for what it is worth, are that the main contributing factors to the Jonestown tragedy were:

Jim Jones' mental illness, aggravated by his use of drugs.
The group's intense fear of the imminent end of civilization.
The extreme isolation of the Agricultural Project.
Opposition and pressure from anti-cult groups, the media and U.S. government.


Freedom of Information:
The Committee on Foreign Affairs of the U.S. House of Representatives (now called the Committee on International Relations) conducted an investigation into Congressman Ryan's death. Much of the documentation that they collected on Jonestown was classified and has "remained inaccessible for the intervening decades to scholars, individuals who lost family members at Jonestown, and the general public." 9 An academic group of NRM scholars asked the House committee to declassify the documents. They held a press conference on the 20th anniversary of Ryan's death, 1998-NOV-18 in Washington. Dr. Gordon Melton of the Institute for the Study of American Religion said:
"Twenty years later there appears to be no compelling issues of national security or interest to keep these documents secret...it is our belief that the time has come for the release of these documents so that a more thorough assessment of what occurred at Jonestown can be made. Our understanding of the Jonestown deaths is still hindered by the unavailability of numerous key documents that would highlight the situation at Jonestown immediately prior to and during Congressman Ryan's visit, the relationship of the State Department to the Jonestown community, and the state of mind of Peoples Temple leader, Rev. Jim Jones."
Over 6000 pages of information has been obtained from the U.S. Department of State by an unknown person who has posted it on the Internet. 7

References:
Department of Philosophy and Religion, University of North Dakota, "Alternative Considerations of Jonestown and the People's Temple," at: http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~remoore/jonestown Keven Hozak has published "an alternative view to the usual anti-cult hysteria which characterized discussion of Peoples Temple... It will also raise questions about the treatment of Peoples Temple -- both in life and in death -- by various governmental agencies: local, state, and federal." See Report 1 and Report2
M. McCormick Maaga & Catherine Wessinger, "Hearing the Voices of Jonestown," Syracuse University Press, Syracuse NY (1998) Read reviews and/or order this book from the Amazon.com online bookstore
Catherine Wessinger, Ed., "Millennialism, Persecution and Violence: Historical Cases (Religion and Politics)," Syracuse University Press, (2000). Read reviews / order this book
John R. Hall, article in Stuart A. Wright, Ed., "Armageddon in Waco", University of Chicago Press, Chicago IL, (1996). Read reviews / order this book
Tobin Dickerson, "People's Temple - Jonestown," at: http://www.religiousmovements.org This essay has an extensive bibliography and list of hyperlinks to People's Temple web sites.
SF Gate at www.sfgate.com has a series of articles from the San Francisco Chronicle on Jonestown that you can find by entering jonestown in the "jump to:" box.
The Jonestown, Guyana Tragedy: Primary Source Materials From The U.S. Department of State at: http://www.icehouse.net/zodiac/ had over 6000 documents obtained from the State Department. Included on the website were parts of the House of Representatives' report on Jonestown. The web site is no longer online. but an archive copy may still be available at: http://web.archive.org/we(...)t/zodiac/index.html.
Laurie Efrein Kahalas, is a surviving member of the People's Temple: She has written the book: "SNAKE DANCE: Unravelling [sic] the Mysteries of Jonestown," Trafford Publishing, (1998). Read reviews / order this book
She has a website at: http://www.jonestown.com She was "contacted by an Angelic Presence four years prior to what the world would come to know as 'The Jonestown Tragedy.' "
She has written an essay "About Jonestown: An open letter to scholars, activists, and advocates for religious freedom" which is online at: http://etext.virginia.edu/


"Scholars present request to declassify Jonestown documents," at: http://www.cesnur.org/
Deborah Layton, "Seductive Poison: A Jonestown Survivor's Story of Life and Death in the People's Temple," Anchor (1998). Read reviews and/or order it
Jonathan Vankin and John Whalen. "The Jonestown Massacre: CIA Mind Control Run Amok?," at: http://www.conspire.com/jones.html
"Peoples Temple (Jonestown)," at: http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/
Tim Reiterman & John Jacobs, "Raven: The untold story of Reverend Jim Jones and his people," E.P. Dutton (1982). Read reviews / order this book
"Somber Remembrance of Jonestown Massacre," 11 photographs, KTVU, at: http://www.ktvu.com/

Movie trailer:
A movie trailer for: "Jonestown: The Life and Death of Peoples Temple" is available on YouTube. It was constructed from news footage and former peoples temple members. See: http://www.youtube.com/

en: http://www.fhj.nl/Odysseu(...)eiders/jim_jones.htm

en een van de eerste sekteleiders na jezus en mohamed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Divine

Notably, Mother S. A. Divine fought an attempt by cult leader Jim Jones to take over the movement in 1971. Jones based some of his doctrines on the International Peace Mission movement, and claimed to be the reincarnation of Father Divine. He was only able to persuade one member to join his cult, the Peoples Temple. The convert wrote Mother Divine trying to convince her that Jones was Father Divine until the infamous mass suicide in Jonestown, Guyana in 1978.

opvallend stuk trouwens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY3cx3U0gYE&NR

niet zo boos doen en leg eens uit.

zullen we niet een heel erg religie zus of zo gaan doen in dit topic. liever zie ik nog meer voorbeelden van zieke sektes. met nog ziekere sekteleden.

of beelden/verhalen/geluid waar duidelijk wordt verteld wat de people's church of jonestown nou eigenlijk was en hoed de dagelijkse gang van zaken ging.

de davidians wil ik hier niet onder scharen omdat david coresh en zijn volgelingen gewoon keihard vermoord zijn.