Oorlog in Somalie #2

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 15:17 schreef Gia het volgende:
Als er eventueel burgers bij gedood zijn, is dat erg jammer, maar niets aan te doen.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 15:10 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Hoe gaat het de situatie geen goed doen? Ik kan (nog) niet oordelen over deze missie, maar ik zie nog niet meteen het kwalijke effect. Haat misschien? Maar ja...

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 15:36 schreef sp3c het volgende:
ze zullen er wel zijn inmiddels, vanuit een vliegtuig is het lastig bepaalde gezichten te identificeren of de Ethiopiers moeten dat gedaan hebben.

zolang de Ethiopiers er nog zitten hoeven ze geen grondtroepen te sturen

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 15:44 schreef sp3c het volgende:
lijkt me sterk, maar goed, ik had ook niet gedacht dat de Ethiopiers Mogadishu zouden innemen of dat het ze uberhaupt zou lukken dus wie weet ... misschien komt het zelfs nog wel goed met dat land.

maar dan moet er wel snel wat gedaan worden want het glijd nu weer weg, ik zou voor westerse peacekeepers zijn mits er aan een paar eisen voldaan wordt

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 15:22 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Jawel, je zou bijvoorbeeld niet met zo'n vliegtuig alles daar aan gort kunnen schieten. Bijvoorbeeld. Er is wel iets aan te doen. Maar ik heb geen idee wie er geraakt is en hoeveel en waarom en hoe en wat niet meer.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 16:04 schreef Gia het volgende:

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het is de schuld van de terroristen die burgers en kinderen als schild gebruiken.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 16:04 schreef Gia het volgende:

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het is de schuld van de terroristen die burgers en kinderen als schild gebruiken.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 16:07 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Dit is nogal een aanname. Oké, dan doen ze dat en schiet je niet.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 16:28 schreef Gia het volgende:

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Jawel, dat doen we dus mooi wel. En mij boeit het niet dat de VS dan de schuld krijgen van die linkse kerk. Voor mij zijn die terroristen de schuldigen.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 16:28 schreef Gia het volgende:

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Jawel, dat doen we dus mooi wel. En mij boeit het niet dat de VS dan de schuld krijgen van die linkse kerk. Voor mij zijn die terroristen de schuldigen.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 17:00 schreef Yildiz het volgende:

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Jij wist dat het terroristen waren daar? Cooooll.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 16:00 schreef sp3c het volgende:
wat dat betreft is het wel goed dat de wat radicalere "leiders" er tussenuit worden geschoten

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 19:16 schreef Finder_elf_towns het volgende:
Je maakt je druk om niets.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 19:49 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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nee jij maakt je druk om niets, ik maak me druk om van alles en nog wat

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 19:39 schreef klez het volgende:
Het is toch publiek geheim dat Somalie thuishaven is van allerhande gespuis wat het op het westen gemunt heeft? Gespuis dat ook allang de daad bij het woord heeft gevoegd? Wie kaatst kan de bal verwachten. Dat "onschuldigen" dit soort lui in hun midden tolereren, tja...
Verbrande Amerikaanse militairen door de straten sleuren.
Dan moet je niet gaan zeuren als er "collateral damage" is.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 19:51 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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ja en elke Amerikaan was in Haditha aanwezig toen er hele Iraakse familie werd uitgemoord werd ... kortzichtig geneuzel

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 20:00 schreef Yildiz het volgende:
De zoveelste puinzooi in de wereld, handig. En dan zijn er nog mensen als de kippen bij om er het terroristenstempeltje op te gooien.

Daar krijg je dit soort dingen van: klik.

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During the 1990s, jihadism in Somalia was synonymous with al-Itihaad al-Islaami, a band of Wahhabi militants determined to establish an Islamic emirate in the country. Al-Qaeda also developed a toehold, contributing to attacks on U.S. and UN peacekeepers in the early part of the decade and using the country as a transit zone for terrorism in neighbouring Kenya; some leading members of al-Qaeda's East African network continue to hide in Somalia.

Since 2003, Somalia has witnessed the rise of a new, ruthless, independent jihadi network with links to al-Qaeda. Based in lawless Mogadishu and led by a young militia leader trained in Afghanistan, the group announced its existence by murdering four foreign aid workers in the relatively secure territory of Somaliland between October 2003 and April 2004. Western governments, led by the U.S., responded to the threat of terrorism in and from Somalia by building up Somali counter-terrorist networks headed by faction leaders and former military or police officers, and by cooperating with the security services in Somaliland and neighbouring Puntland. The strategy has netted at least one key al-Qaeda figure, and as many as a dozen members of the new jihadi group are either dead or behind bars.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 12:00 schreef Frutsel het volgende:

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Ja ik heb jou ook horen zaniken dat Ethiopie, zomaar een land binnenvielen, (het was immers somalisch grondgebied), met een kutsmoes (ze krijgen teveel invloed/macht) Gewoon een kutsmoes om weer de VS-te bashen?

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 20:15 schreef cappp het volgende:
oh ja, sorry, dit is natuurlijk een volstrekt goede actie van de VS, het spijt me voor mijn gebash.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 20:41 schreef klez het volgende:

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Wat had je dan verwacht? 100.000-en dooien all over the world in de naam van Allah en hier moet er weer gezeurd worden omdat er een paar hakbarren worden opgeblazen.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 23:45 schreef Yildiz het volgende:

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Dit is je reinste kwats, klez. Alleen maar omdat je spoken ziet, denkt dat iemand die in een bepaald geloof gelooft, denkt dat iemand via de poorten van Wenen de wereld over gaan nemen.

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Op dinsdag 9 januari 2007 20:13 schreef klez het volgende:

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Wat een paranoia kwatsartikel weer. Het was trouwens in Somalië allang een puinhoop, lang voor er een Amerikaan voet in de buurt zette.
En het land wordt ook allang ook gelinkt aan terrorisme:
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Despite these successes, counter-terrorism efforts are producing growing unease within the broader public. Few Somalis believe there are terrorists in their country, and many regard the American-led war on terrorism as an assault on Islam. Unidentified surveillance flights, the abduction of innocent people for weeks at a time on suspicion of terrorist links, and cooperation with unpopular faction leaders all add to public cynicism and resentment. Without public support, even the most sophisticated counter-terrorism effort is doomed to failure.

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Since the formation of the new Transitional Federal Government (TFG) for Somalia, in October 2004, the dirty war between terrorists and counter-terrorist operatives in Mogadishu appears to have entered a new and more vicious stage that threatens to push the country further towards jihadism and extremist violence unless its root causes are properly addressed.

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The threat of jihadi terrorism in and from Somalia is real. But attempts by the new Somali leadership and its regional allies to exploit this threat for short-term political gain risk plunging the country into even greater crisis. Several key leaders in the deeply divided transitional government are notorious for smearing adversaries and critics with allegations of terrorist linkages -- conduct that threatens to deepen the schisms within the government. More alarmingly, the faction of the TFG aligned with the interim president has tried to use the threat of terrorism to justify deployment of a regional intervention force to Somalia -- a widely unpopular and deeply divisive proposition that would not only irrevocably split the government and trigger renewed conflict, but would also dramatically strengthen the jihadis.

Ultimately, the threat of jihadi terrorism from Somalia can only be addressed through the restoration of stable, legitimate and functional government. Dealing with that threat requires Somalia's friends to do more to assist in bringing Somali society together again and rebuilding the state. But such assistance must be carefully planned and finely calibrated in order to ensure that it does not empower one faction of the TFG at the expense of another or otherwise destabilise a fragile peace process.

A successful counter-terrorism campaign requires more engagement with the broader public, including civil society organisations and more moderate Islamist groups.

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Op woensdag 10 januari 2007 13:02 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Ook van je bron:
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http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=3555

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None of the top three suspected terrorists in Somalia were killed in a U.S. airstrike this week, but Somalis with close ties to al Qaeda were killed, a senior U.S. official in the region said Thursday.

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Op donderdag 11 januari 2007 15:00 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/01/11/somalia.ap/index.html

Somalis with close ties to Al Qaeda. Leuk, dus ze hebben gewoon wat tegenstanders van Ethiopďe en de machteloze krijgsheren gedood. Het lijkt Afghanistan wel.

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A small team of American military personnel entered southern Somalia to try to determine exactly who was killed in a U.S. airstrike Monday that targeted suspected al-Qaeda figures thought to be hiding in swampy mangrove forests along the Indian Ocean, U.S. sources said Thursday.

So far, "no one can confirm a high-value target" among the dead, said one U.S. source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. But items recovered at the strike site -- a piece of bloody clothing and a document -- indicated that Aden Ayrow, head of the military arm of the deposed Islamic Courts movement, had been at the scene.

The strike killed eight to 10 people suspected of terrorist links, according to another source, a high-ranking U.S. official in the region who spoke Thursday and declined to be identified. The people were fleeing with remnants of the Courts movement, which was swept from power last month by invading Ethiopian forces who installed in its place the country's U.S.-backed transitional government.

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Op woensdag 10 januari 2007 12:58 schreef klez het volgende:

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Ik zou eerst de geschiedenis maar eens bestuderen voor je roept dat godsdienstwaanzinnigen niet gemotiveerd kunnen zijn om de wereld over te nemen. Als je je post al met zo'n stelling begint ben je d'r of zelf één of in ieder geval niet echt serieus te nemen. Dat Somalie dit soort idioten herbergt uit de Arabische wereld is allang duidelijk.

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New realities

"Government troops and Ethiopian forces have captured Ras Kamboni after heavy fighting," the defence minister told the Associated Press news agency.

As news emerged of the fall of Ras Kamboni, interim President Abdullahi Yusuf met warlords in Mogadishu in an effort to agree a pact.

Earlier, warlords who battled for control of Somalia for 16 years agreed to surrender their weapons after a clan gunfight left at least five people dead.

"The warlords and the government have agreed to collaborate for the restoration of peace in Somalia," said government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari following the talks in Somalia's presidential palace.

"The agreement means they have to disarm their militia and their men have to join the national army," he said.

He named the warlords who had agreed to disarm as:


Mohamed Qanyare Afrah
Musa Sudi Yalahwo
Omar Mohamed Mohamoud
Issa Batan Alin
Abdi Hassan Awale Qeiybdid
Omar Habeb
Bashir Raghe Shirar.
They formed a US-backed alliance last year but were driven out of Mogadishu by the militants of the Union of Islamic Courts.

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The herdsmen had gathered with their animals around large fires at night to ward off mosquitoes. But lit up by the flames, they became latest victims of America's war on terror.

It was their tragedy to be misidentified in a secret operation by special forces attempting to kill three top al-Qa'ida leaders in south-ern Somalia.

Oxfam yesterday confirmed at least 70 nomads in the Afmadow district near the border with Kenya had been killed. The nomads were bombed at night and during the day while searching for water sources. Meanwhile, the US ambassador to Kenya has acknowledged that the onslaught on Islamist fighters failed to kill any of the three prime targets wanted for their alleged role in the 1998 US embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam.

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The operation, which opened a new front in Washington's anti-terror campaign, seems to have backfired spectacularly in the five days since it was launched. In addition to the scores of Somali civilians killed, the simmering civil war in the failed state has been rekindled.

Yesterday concern was mounting at the high number of civilian casualties, despite a claim by the US ambassador, Michael Ranneberger, that no civilians had been killed or injured and that only one attack had taken place. The UN's refugee agency, UNHCR, reported that an estimated 100 people were wounded in Monday's air strikes on the small fishing village of Ras Kamboni launched from the US military base in Djibouti after a mobile phone intercept.

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Op zaterdag 13 januari 2007 13:23 schreef Yildiz het volgende:
Geef die Bush toch een fles whiskey en een snuif coke, is hij ook weer blij.

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Op zaterdag 13 januari 2007 12:21 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Eerst maar even afwachten, hč?

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Op zaterdag 13 januari 2007 17:24 schreef klez het volgende:

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Ik weet het, we hadden die Islamitische rechtbanken een kans moeten geven.

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Op zaterdag 13 januari 2007 17:24 schreef klez het volgende:

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Ik weet het, we hadden die Islamitische rechtbanken een kans moeten geven.

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Op zaterdag 13 januari 2007 18:08 schreef Finder_elf_towns het volgende:

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Ja, vooral in hun pogingen sport en plezier te vernietigen. Voetbalsupporters verdienen nu eenmaal per definitie de doodstraf en dat is ook exact het eerbiedwaardige werk wat de islamitische rechtbanken verzetten.

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By William Wallis in Addis Ababa
Published: February 1 2007

The US believes militant Islamists from the ousted coalition that held sway over parts of southern Somalia may be regrouping in Saudi Arabia, Eritrea and also Yemen, Jendayi Frazer, US assistant secretary of state for Africa, said yesterday.

Speaking to the Financial Times in Addis Ababa, Ms Frazer said it was too early to tell who among the Islamist leadership had survived Ethiopia's invasion last month and subsequent US air strikes on alleged affiliates of al-Qaeda.

"It is going to take some time for the fog of war to clear up and we have an ability to see who is still operating and how they are operating," she said.

But she was "very concerned" that extremist elements from among the defeated Islamists were "trying to reconstitute themselves either out of Saudi Arabia or Eritrea", and that international jihadist networks would see this as an opportunity.

"We have to engage with the Saudi government and their services to try to prevent that from happening as well as engage regionally."

Ms Frazer described Eritrea, with whom the US has deteriorating relations, asa "source of regional instability".

This had been "very clearly exposed" during recent events in Somalia.

Ethiopia, the US's principle ally in the Horn of Africa, alleges that Eritrea supported hardline elements within the ousted Islamists by supplying arms, fighters and military advice.

"Eventually Eritrea will see the limits of its actions to destabilise the Horn," said Ms Frazer.

Ms Frazer said the key to ensuring Somalia did not provide a haven for international terrorist networks now lay with the Transitional Federal Government, which emerged from peace talks in Kenya in 2004.

"They have to do it by reaching out. They have to do it through inclusive dialogue," she said.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2dffc3b4-b19...0779e2340.html

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ortar rounds and rockets slammed into Somalia’s capital early Monday in a series of attacks that killed a six-year-old boy and his father as they slept and wounded at least seven people, witnesses said.

The violence, which hit residential areas as well as the presidential palace, a radio station and a police station, was among the worst since Somalia’s government moved into the capital after Somalian troops — with the help of soldiers from neighbouring Ethiopia — drove out a radical Islamic militia known as the Council of Islamic Courts.

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Meanwhile, a group that has claimed responsibility for recent attacks in Mogadishu warned that it would shoot down planes using Mogadishu International Airport.

“They have to know that the resistance will shoot down planes that use Mogadishu airport. All the necessary equipment for carrying out this operation is in our hands,” according to the statement by the Popular Resistance Movement in the Land of the Two Migrations. The statement was dated Sunday and posted on the Islamic Courts’ website.

Somalia’s deputy defence minister blamed the recent violence on remnants of the radical Islamic movement that was pushed out of Mogadishu and parts of the country’s south earlier this year. The Islamic group has been accused of harbouring al-Qaida suspects, which it denies.

The Islamic movement, which still has support in Mogadishu, has vowed to wage an Iraq-style insurgency, and attacks in the capital have happened almost daily in the past month.

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A demonstration in the southern port city of Kismayo ended in violence Sunday. An explosion went off as the army chief prepared to address the rally of supporters of a proposed peacekeeping force, and government troops fired into the crowd in response. At least five people were killed.

It was not immediately clear what caused the blast.

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In less than a month, we have seen a dramatic increase in people smuggling from Somalia, with over 1,600 arrivals in Yemen aboard some 20 boats.

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Last week alone, at least nine smuggling boats arrived at six points along the Yemeni coast. Many of the new arrivals were badly beaten and told UNHCR that the smugglers stole their money during the voyage. The Somalis said they fled their homes during and following the end of hostilities between government forces and the Islamic Courts Union. Many said they were exposed to shooting by the armed militias and had their money and belongings taken at checkpoints manned by the same militia.