Werkten de Arabieren met de Nazi's samen?

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“ Ik have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.”

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“Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, History and Religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.”

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“We are not Afghanistan… We are the mighty people. Were they able to replace our hero Hajj Amin Al-Husseini?… There were a number of attempts to get rid of Hajj Amin, when they considered him an ally of the Nazis. But even so, he lived in Cairo, and participated in the 1948 War and I was one of his troops.”

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2006 00:46 schreef SANCTAsimplicissimus het volgende:
Ja

Die laatste foto heeft daar overigens niks mee te maken.

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2006 10:06 schreef descendent1 het volgende:
Klopt vrijwel allemaal wat in de OP staat; ik heb dr ook wel eens het één en ander over gelezen en zal ff binnenkort wat meer bronmateriaal opzoeken (als ik er aan denk).
(hoewel die laatste foto er idd weinig mee te maken heeft.)

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2006 11:09 schreef sigme het volgende:

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Maar is er enige overblijfsel in de Palestijnse / pan-Arabische strijd van de nazistische leer anders dan jodenhaat en deze symboliek van de geheven arm?

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2006 11:54 schreef sigme het volgende:

Groepsbelang boven individueel belang

Onbetwist leiderschap

Groot belang lichamelijke en fysieke kracht

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De stichting van de staat Israel was natuurlijk niet de eerste ontmoeting van Arabieren en joden. Aangezien anti-semitisme in de westerse wereld van ver voor de nazi's is lijkt het me bepaald niet onwaarschijnlijk dat ook Arabisch anti-semitisme ouder is dan 70 jaar.

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Nou nou nou. Dat lijkt me toch niet. Je kan een hoop slechts melden over dictaturen in het Midden Oosten, maar vernietigingsprogramma's voor joden, vergelijkbaar met dergelijke programma's in nazi-Duitsland .. . Sterker nog, in de meeste Arabische landen wonen joden. Levend en wel.

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Huh? Niet onverlet is dubbelop, neem ik aan,

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maar welke oorspronkelijke intenties worden verhuld? Volgens mij is de hele situatie gewijzigd in '48, nogal radicaal, en doen intenties van voor '48 niet zo erg ter zake in de situatie daarna. Zonder flirt met nazi's hadden de Arabieren zich ook wel gekeerd tegen de joodse staat.

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Waar? In Palestina? Bestond dat?

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Och, joden in moslimland zijn natuurlijk door de eeuwen heen altijd wat tweederangsburgers geweest. Vergelijkbaar met joden in christenland.

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2006 13:30 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:
De mufti had niet de macht om zoiets dergelijks te kunnen bewerkstelligen. De arabische wereld is sinds het Islamitische Rijk namelijk nooit een eenheid geweest. Afgezien daarvan zijn Iraniers geen Arabieren, ten tweede was het aantal arabieren dat vocht tegen de nazi's toch wel heel wat groter dan het aantal sympathisanten. De mufti had lokaal in het gebied macht en aanzin. Maar in Noord-Afrika zouden ze "he, mufti?" hebben gezegd.

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2006 13:30 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:
Bovendien zou ik een andere bron gebruiken als ik jou was

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2006 13:37 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Ik gebruik bij verhalen over Joden ook niet stormfront als bron.

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2006 14:14 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:
Geen enkele van die divisies is ooit ingezet. Terwijl er dus wel minstens 100.000 arabieren gestorven zijn die vochten tegen de nazi's.

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2006 14:27 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Niet dus, zoals ik al eerder zei. Connecties is ook zo een vaag woord, want eerst stelde jezelf praktisch dat het Arabisch Supranationalisme voorkomt uit het nazisme. (Zoals je zei over het moslimbroederschap)

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Back to the Beginning

The roots of the Muslim Brotherhood -- and, in many ways, the Nazi-Muslim axis -- go back to the organization's formation in Egypt in 1928. Marking the start of modern political Islam, or what is often referred to as "Islamic fundamentalism," the Brotherhood from the outset envisioned a time when an Islamic state would prevail in Egypt and other Arab countries, where the organization quickly established local branches. The growth of the Muslim Brotherhood coincided with the rise of fascist movements in Europe -- a parallel noted by Muhammad Sa'id al-'Ashmawy, former chief justice of Egypt's High Criminal Court, who decried "the perversion of Islam" and "the fascistic ideology" that infuses the world view of the Muslim Brothers, "their total (if not totalitarian) way of life ...[and] their fantastical reading of the Koran."
Youssef Nada, current board chairman of Al Taqwa, had joined the armed branch of the Muslim Brotherhood as a young man in Egypt during World War II. Nada and several of his cohorts in the Sunni Muslim fraternity were recruited by German military intelligence, which sought to undermine British colonial rule in the land of the sphinx. Hassan al-Banna, the Egyptian schoolteacher who founded the Muslim Brotherhood, also collaborated with spies of the Third Reich.
Advocating a pan-Islamic insurgency in British-controlled Palestine, the Brotherhood proclaimed their support for the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, in the late 1930s. The Grand Mufti, the preeminent religious figure among Palestinian Muslims, was the most notable Arab leader to seek an alliance with Nazi Germany, which was eager to extend its influence in the Middle East.
Although he loathed Arabs (he once described them as "lacquered half-apes who ought to be whipped"), Hitler understood that he and the Mufti shared the same rivals -- the British, the Jews and the Communists. Indicative of the old Arab adage, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," they met in Berlin, where the Mufti lived in exile during the war. The Mufti agreed to help organize a special Muslim division of the Waffen SS. Powerful radio transmitters were put at the Mufti's disposal so that his pro-Axis propaganda could be heard throughout the Arab world.


A Mecca for Fascists

After the defeat of Nazi Germany, the Grand Mufti fled to Egypt. His arrival in 1946 was a precursor to a steady stream of Third Reich veterans who chose Cairo as a postwar hideout. The Egyptian capital became a safe haven for several thousand Nazi fugitives, including former SS Captain Alois Brunner, Adolf Eichmann's chief deputy. Convicted in absentia for war crimes, Brunner would later reside in Damascus, where he served as a security advisor for the Syrian government.
Several American fascists visited the Middle East during this period, including Francis Parker Yockey, who made his way to Cairo in the summer of 1953, a year after the corrupt Egyptian monarchy was overthrown by a military coup. The Brotherhood had played a major role in instigating the popular uprising that set the stage for the emergence of Col. Gamal Abdel Nasser as Egypt's new leader. But Nasser, who had little interest in mixing politics and religion, would subsequently have a falling out with the Islamic fundamentalist sect.
When Nasser wanted to overhaul Egypt's secret service, he asked the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency for assistance. But the U.S. government "found it highly impolitic to help him directly," CIA agent Miles Copeland recalled in a memoir; so the CIA instead secretly bankrolled more than 100 German espionage and military experts who trained Egyptian police and army units in the mid-1950s.


An American Reaches Out

During this period, the Grand Mufti maintained close relations with the burgeoning Nazi exile community in Cairo, while cultivating ties to right-wing extremists in the United States and other countries. H. Keith Thompson, a New York-based businessman and Nazi activist, was a confidant of the Mufti. "I did a couple of jobs for him, getting some documents from files that were otherwise unavailable," Thompson acknowledged in an interview.
Thompson also carried on a lively correspondence with Johannes von Leers, one of the Third Reich's most prolific Jew-baiters, who converted to Islam and changed his name to Omar Amin after he took up residence in Cairo in 1955. "If there is any hope to free the world from Jewish tyranny," Amin wrote Thompson, "it is with the Moslems, who stand steadfastly against Zionism, Colonialism and Imperialism." Formerly Goebbels' right-hand man, Amin became a top official in the Egyptian Information Ministry, which employed several European fascists who churned out hate literature and anti-Jewish broadcasts. Another German expatriate, Louis Heiden, alias Louis Al-Hadj, translated Hitler's Mein Kampf into Arabic.
The Egyptian government also published The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the infamous anti-Semitic forgery that purports to reveal a Jewish master plan for taking over the world. A staple of Nazi propaganda, the Protocols also are quoted in Article 32 of the charter of Hamas, the hard-line Palestinian fundamentalist group that is supported by the Muslim Brotherhood -- even though Muslim scholars say such views are an anathema to mainstream Islam. "There are no historic roots for anti-Semitism in Islam," says Hasem Saghiyeh, a columnist at Al Hayat, a London-based Arab newspaper. "The process of translating books like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion on as popular a scale started in Nasser's Egypt, but only the Islamic fundamentalist movement incorporated them into its literature."

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2006 15:17 schreef Ringo het volgende:

Ik ben niet zo van de lange quotes, maar hier kan het wel:
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Bron: http://www.corpse.org/issue_11/broken_news/lee.html

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2006 15:27 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Hoe toepasselijk.