half slaap/half wakker en waarnemingen

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Op donderdag 27 juli 2006 19:25 schreef Burner82 het volgende:

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bij mijn weten stond in de dsm ook dat homofielie een ziekte was? dus hoe betrouwbaar is de huidige wetenschap wat betreft psychiatrische aandoeningen?

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Op donderdag 27 juli 2006 19:37 schreef Burner82 het volgende:

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en als atropine het veroorzaakt, wat veroorzaakt het dan?

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Op vrijdag 28 juli 2006 00:12 schreef Naief_And_Nasty het volgende:
Ik dacht dat een succubus een vrouwelijke (bloed)demoon was en een incubus een mannelijke. Dit vlg. theorieen van de wereldberoemde zwarte magiër Aleister Crowley. Ik heb daar een boekje van (beetje offt-topic) maar het gaat over bloeddemonen of zo. Allemaal rara blabla van die Crowley, logisch want Hitler was een volgeling van hem.

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When one dreams, most of the images, sounds, et cetera, one hears, originate from the brain stem. Atropine interferes directly with much of the activity in the brain stem, ranging from motor impairment and tachycardia to the basal ganglionic blockage.

Acetylcholine, a chemical that atropine blocks, has been known to stop one from dreaming. As a result of this, a person might be more difficult to rouse from REM sleep, and their dreams may be more intense.

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b6) Common Hallucinations Experienced on Datura

Auditory hallucinations involving speaking to people who arent there.

Auditory hallucinations involving speaking to objects that may or may not be there.

Minor color differences in the sky and or ocean (blue to green but nothing drastic).

One does not recognize a mirror, and often winds up speaking to the person in the mirror (often getting agitated at the "other person's" repetition of their body movements).

Plants gain a higher intelligence level - people seem to think plants are sentient and will speak with them, associate a personality with them, et cetera.

Forgetting where one is going, yet continuing to go "there."

Animation of inanimate objects - statues, walls, fences, all seem to take on a life of their own and will in fact speak with the user.

"He who partakes of it is deprived of his reason; for a long time lauughing or weeping, or sleeping and oftentimes talking and replying, so that at times he appears to be in his right mind, but really being out of it and not knowing to whom he is speaking, nor remembering what has happenend after his alienation has passed." (Plant Drugs That Changed The World, regarding Datura in general)

_The Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeon's Complete Home Guide To Mental Health_ had this to say about delerium in general:

"Visual hallucinations, usually including the appearance of animals, may precede delerium; this is particularly common during withdrawal from the use of alcohol and illicit drugs."

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When one dreams, the brain stem works as a filter for the rest of the world, only sending the cerebrum information it deems necessary (thus creating urges that are very clear emotionally and physically but not so much logically). It is possible that Datura iduces a dream-like (or simply dream) state in which the "dreamer" is in fact conscious.

I mentioned earlier that the brain stem is the part of the brain that controls primal urges (and/or knowledge that translate into urges). Speaking with that part of the brain can help you better understand yourself. Shamanism indicates that not only can you better understand yourself, but you can better understand your world through the body (which is essentially the product of hundreds of thousands of years of learning). All in all, it's a reasonable conclusion.

The personality of the user probably doesnt come into play because it resides, for the most part, in the cerebrum. Since the cerebrum really isn't involved the hallucinations experienced on Datura, I wouldnt really worry. However, see 6 (c [1 (b)]) for respect and entities.

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7a) The Nervous System


7 a1) The Autonomic Nervous System

The autonomic nervous sytem regulates things like breathing, the beating of your heart, and other involuntary actions. It is housed in the lower parts of the brain and in the spinal cord, specifically the cerebellum (equilibrium, et cetera) and brain stem (heart, lungs).

Sympathetic Nervous System

"The sympathetic nervous system governs the body's response to pain, anger, and fear." (The Nervous System) Usually works together with the parasympathetic nervous system to control the body's reaction to normal bodily functions (such as exertion or secretion).

Parasympathetic Nervous System

"...The parasympathetic nervous system controls involuntary actions inside the body such as the secretion of substances and the dilation of blood vessels." (The Nervous System)

7 a2) The Central Nervous System

The central nervous system (CNS) controls all thought and organizes activity. These are movements or activity controlled by your own effort. It is housed in the hindbrain and spinal cord.

7 a3) The Prehispheral Nervous System

The prehipheral nervous system connects the CNS with the other parts of the body. It makes you aware of what is around you. This system mainly controls the senses.

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The Cerebrum

See Figures 1 and 2 in addendum. The cerebrum is the upper part of your brain. The Homo sapien cerebrum separates it from the rest of the animal kingdom because of its striking complexity. It starts in front, mainly a litle below eye level, and continues back to the back of your head at about the same level. It is divided into two halves of nerve tissue, called the "right" and "left" brains. It is responsible for all voluntary muscles. It also controls thinking, memory, sensations, and emotions.

Several parts of the cerebrum have been implicated in the following processes:


Coordination
Hearing
Hot/Cold touch sensations
Judgement
Movement
Perceptual
Sensory analysis
Speech
Thought
Vision
Visual analysis
7 b3) The Cerebellume
See Figures 1 and 2 in addendum.

The cerebellum is under the cerebrum, in the back of your head. It is significantly smaller than the cerebrum. It is divided, as well, into two halves. The cerebellum allows you to learn habits and develop motor skills. It also causes the voluntary muscles used in activities to work properly. It also controls your sense of balance. Brain damage to the cerebellum causes dizziness and general inability to perform activities that require balance.

7 b4) The Brain Stem

See Figures 1 and 2 in addendum.

The brain stem, like the name implies, is below the brain, between the cerebellum, cerebrum, and spinal cord. It controls involuntary actions (i.e., the autonomic nervous system). It regulates your heart, lungs, and other involuntary muscles. Damage to the brain stem can cause death (via impaired heart, lungs, et cetera).

7c) Sleep


7 c1) The Basic Ideas of Sleep

(See 6b1 and 6b2)

Sleep was, until recently (ca. 1900), regarded as a time when the body did fairly little. In fact, sleep is much the opposite. Much activity occurrs during sleep. The brain changes dramatically, the heart rate drops, and the chemical composition of the brain (and in fact body) changes.

Dreaming as a Chemical State

All chemical states can be considered electrical states as well, so keep that in mind. I will not have two sections with an "electrical state" and a "chemical state."

Chemicals which cause one to fall asleep (or otherwise are implicated in the process of sleep itself) exist in both the spine (which is in turn connected to the brain stem, and full of cerebrospinal fluid), and upper parts of the brain. Several chemicals (or compounds therein) have been isolated as related to the sleep process.


DSIP (Delta-Sleep-Inducing-Peptide)

SPS (Sleep Promoting Substance)
A combination of 4 different chemicals.

Muramyl Peptide
A chemical similar to chemicals found in cell walls of bacteria.

MDP (Muramyl Dipeptide)
A chemical that causes up to 6 hours of deep non-rem sleep in animals in which it was injected into.

Factor S
A chemical originally extracted from sleep-deprived goats, injected into other animals, causing them to become sleepy.

L-Tryptophan
Brain levels of l-tryptophan affect serotonin levels in the brain. Lecithin contains a high level of l-tryptophan. Caution: Eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome (symptomized by aching muscles and decreased levels of eosinophils) has been linked to l-tryptophan.

Several other chemicals have been isolated, and fall into the neurotransmitter category. Serotonin and Norepinephrine are both neurotransmitters that appear to play a role in sleep. Interestingly, since serotonin is contained in some foods, one's eating habits may actually influence their sleeping habits!
Dreaming as a Shamanistic State

It is hard to tell where hallucinating ends and dreaming ends. Some shaman-drinks contain chemicals that cause one to sleep, and when dealing with delerients it is difficult, if not impossible, to tell whether or not one is sleeping.

However, dreaming is well established as a shamanistic state, and in the book _The Teachings Of Don Juan_, Carlos Castaneda describes, in fairly good detail, at least the possibility of shaman dreaming. The authenticity of the Castaneda books is questionable, but the ideas are sound.

Just as a psychologist can learn about a person by analyzing dreams, one can learn about themselves with proper training. One can also travel on fantastic voyages and do things that would not otherwise be possible, even with ingestion of hallucinogenic compounds.

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Dreaming as a Process
Dreaming follows a set of steps, very distinct from one another. Usually, when a step is changed or left out (such as REM sleep), problems arise.

Your body has a "biological clock," and it is controlled by what scientists call circadian rythms. The body adjusts itself to its environment, and sleeps at the times it feels are appropriate. Researchers have learned how to "set" the clock, so to speak, with therapy involving large flourescent lights, among other things.

When someone first falls asleep, brain wave patterns change very clearly. Theta waves emerge from the brain, and characterize stage one of sleep.

Stage two is distinct from stage one, having different patterns on an EEG, as well. It is the first "true" sleep in the sleep process.

Stage three is simply a deeper sleep than stage two, and is mainly a transition to stage 4, the deepest sleep.

Usually, the time it takes one to reach stage 4 from stage 1 is only about an hour. Curiously, the brain then reverses its course, going back to stage 1 sleep (from stage 4) in about 30 minutes.

This is when REM sleep occurs. REM sleep takes place in a pseudo-stage 1 sleep state, and although it is in fact a light sleep, the sleeper is difficult to awaken (this has led to REM sleep being called "paradoxical sleep").

The body goes to sleep through the following steps:


Stage 1
Light sleep, beginning of theta waves

Stage 2
Different than stage 1 on an EEG, a "true" sleep state.

Stage 3
Different as well, from the other stages, on an EEG, and a sort of transitional state between stage 4 and 2.

Stage 4
Deep sleep. Upone reaching stage 4, the body goes back through the stages, sequentially, and reaches REM sleep.

REM Sleep
Like stage 1 sleep, but includes rapid eye movements, increase of bloodflow to the genital regions (in men and women), quick sudden muscle movements, and activation of the brain centers that control both vision and hearing (presumably specific regions of the cerebrum).

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Op vrijdag 28 juli 2006 00:19 schreef Haviksvrouwe het volgende:

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Nou nasty, dat moet je niet zeggen hoor! Crowley was een geniale man!

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Op vrijdag 21 juli 2006 19:32 schreef Atuniel het volgende:
Ik ken het inderaad maar al te goed.. ik zie zoiezo eens in de week dingen die er niet zijn ... ben ik hallf slaap, half wakker.
Soms zit ik gewoon rechtop in bed, met mijn ogen open... en dan NOG zie ik de dingen.
Van de week was het een klein meisje wat van mn bed sprong en achter het gordijn ging staan... ik schrok en gaf een klap tegen het gordijn aan.

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Op maandag 31 juli 2006 12:56 schreef ikheetmartijn het volgende:
ot: heb 1x 's nacht een soortgelijk vreemde ervaring meegemaakt. het is alweer wat jaartjes geleden ik denk dat ik zo'n 14 jaar was. ik werd 's nachts opeens wakker rond 04:00 door een vreemd noiseachtig geluid. ik had een schuin dakraam met zo'n rolgordijn ervoor die niet strak hing. langs de zijkanten van het gordijn kwam een vel groen licht naar binnen. ik ben uit mijn bed gestapt richting dakraam om te gaan kijken. toen ik het gordijn open deed was het weg, het geluid ook.

van mezelf ben ik een scepticus, maar ik weet 100% zeker dat ik dat groene licht heb gezien en die noise heb gehoord. de adrenaline raasde door m'n lichaam. heel apart, ik gok een of andere hallucinatie, al kan ik dat niet echt verklaren -> geen drank of wietjes (ik was 14 jaar) en ik had zoiets ook nog nooit eerder meegemaakt.
sindsdien ook nooit weer overkomen trouwens.
ik las dat HAL9000S ook noise hoorde, vandaar dat ik het toch even post, het kwam wel herkenbaar over.

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Op zaterdag 14 oktober 2006 18:27 schreef roosjeroosje1988 het volgende:
Sorry dat ik hier reageer maar dat andere topic kan ik niet meer vinden.

Laatst werd ik wakker en zag de bovenkant van de deur en probeerde m'n hoofd op te tillen maar dat lukte niet. Of ik ook 'echt' de deur zag weet ik niet. Eergisteren zag ik er ineens ergens een topic over maar die kan ik dus nu niet meer vinden. Sindsdien dat topic ben ik zo bang. Ik dacht dat het bij je droom hoorde ofzo. We zijn vandaag naar Amsterdam geweest en op de terugweg in de trein was ik heel moe en zat ik echt tegen m'n slaap te vechten. Stel je voor dat je een keer in de trein zit te slapen en je wilt uitstappen maar het lukt niet. Dan ben je ineens een halte verder.

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Op donderdag 27 juli 2006 18:29 schreef HAL9000S het volgende:
Ik heb hier regelmatig last van:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

Het begon ooit als 'normale' slaapverlamming, maar het begint steeds extremere vormen aan te nemen, zelfs zo erg de laatste tijd dat het m'n slaappatroon ernstig aan het ontwrichten is.

Dagelijks komt het nu terug en het begint altijd met een soort van noise-achtig geluid... als radioruis, op dat moment begin ik in slaap te vallen maar m'n brein blijft er gewoon helder onder. Ik lig daar dus verlamd (sleep paralysis), en terwijl ik mentaal gezien nog wakker ben begin ik weg te zakken in een soort van droomtoestand, waarbij ik ook visuele dingen waarneem... vaak de omgeving waar ik me op dat moment in bevind, soms heb ik het gevoel dat ik aan het vallen ben, soms gezichten oid maar altijd samen met een verschrikkelijk dreigend gevoel.

Dat gaat altijd samen met extreme angstgevoelens, zo erg dat ik mezelf met heel veel moeite weer wakker maak. Dit herhaalt zich op sommige avonden meerdere malen... soms ben ik zo wanhopig dat ik me voorneem om mezelf 'te laten gaan' maar het is zo angstaanjagend om zo bewust weg te glijden in een droomtoestand terwijl je daar verlamd ligt, dat ik mezelf wakker MOET maken. Echt om gek van te worden..... het begon bij mij jaren terug als 'onschuldige' sleep paralysis maar nu is het echt een probleem aan het worden, helemaal omdat het me gewoon verschrikkelijk veel slaap kost momenteel.