George Bush aan de macht door nazi geld

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Op vrijdag 10 maart 2006 10:29 schreef klez het volgende:

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En zoals mijn bron met link vermeldde is dat niet het geval. Mag ik jou bron nog even zien om de geloofwaardigheid te checken?
Er zijn zo een stuk of duizend bronnen te vinden die kunnen bevestigen dat de VS pas na 1979 enige interesse in Irak toonden. Gedurende de jaren '70 heeft men Irak en Saddam volledig links laten liggen. Saddam heeft zelf de macht gegrepen en heeft de Baath partij niet afgezet maar gewoon gebruikt door mensen tegen elkaar uit te spelen en tegenstanders te liquideren.

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While he was in Cairo, there's some belief that he may have had contact with Americans, with the CIA. What can you tell us about that?

There is very good reason to believe that Saddam Hussein was in contact with the American embassy in Cairo when he was in exile. This is not strange, because alliances of convenience were taking place every day, and the United States was afraid that Iraq, under Kassem, might be going communist. So was the Ba'ath Party. So they had a common enemy, a common target -- the possibility of a communist take-over of Iraq.

So there is a record of Saddam visiting the American embassy frequently, and there is a record of the Egyptian security people telling him not to do that. However, one must remember that at that time, Saddam was a minor official of the Ba'ath Party. He was not terribly important. And he was really following in the footsteps of other people who are much more important.

And what would be the idea behind all this?

The visits to the American embassy by Saddam Hussein and other members of the Ba'ath Party had one purpose, and one purpose only: to cooperate with the Americans towards the overthrow of General Kassem in Iraq. Kassem was slightly pro-communist and the Americans wanted to get rid of that danger. Allen Dulles described Iraq as the most dangerous part of the earth in front of a congressional committee. The Ba'ath thought Kassem was their enemy, so there was a mutuality there. And whether a conspiracy transpired or not, the evidence is actually in favor of it having taken place. But the conspiracy was for the duration of getting rid of Kassem. It was not an alliance of permanent nature.

There was a coup in Iraq in 1963. What do we know about the U.S. involvement in that coup?

The U.S. involvement in the coup against Kassem in Iraq in 1963 was substantial. There is evidence that CIA agents were in touch with army officers who were involved in the coup. There is evidence that an electronic command center was set up in Kuwait to guide the forces who were fighting Kassem. There is evidence that they supplied the conspirators with lists of people who had to be eliminated immediately in order to ensure success. The relationship between the Americans and the Ba'ath Party at that moment in time was very close indeed. And that continued for some time after the coup. And there was an exchange of information between the two sides. For example it was one of the first times that the United States was able to get certain models of Mig fighters and certain tanks made in the Soviet Union. That was the bribe. That was what the Ba'ath had to offer the United States in return for their help in eliminating Kassem.

Do we know to what extent Saddam Hussein was involved in the killings when he came back from Cairo?

I have documented over 700 people who were eliminated, mostly on an individual basis, after the 1963 coup. And they were eliminated based on lists supplied by the CIA to the Ba'ath Party. So the CIA and the Ba'ath were in the business of eliminating communists and leftists who were dangerous to the Ba'ath's takeover.

The coup took place in April, Saddam Hussein did not return to Iraq until May. But he went to work immediately. He became an interrogator in the Fellaheen and Muthaqafeen detention camps. They are camps where they kept communists and fellow travellers, after they took power. And in interrogating people in those camps, he used torture, and undoubtedly like everybody else involved in this activity, eliminated people. In 1963 he was still one of the party's toughs, one of the party's thugs, if you wish.

Jumping forward a few years to 1967 and the Arab-Israeli conflict, we've heard that the Soviets then looked to Baghdad in terms of gaining influence in the Middle East. And the Ba'ath Party also wants to get back into power. Describe in the run-up to the 1968 coup, the Cold War dynamics of what was going on in the Middle East, and in particular Iraq, and how the Ba'ath Party was able to use those dynamics to help them get back into power.

In 1968, Iraq had a weak president who was beholden to Nasser, a follower of Nasser. But the defeat of [the Arabs by Israel] in 1967 meant that whatever government was in power when that defeat took place had to go. So the Ba'ath saw an opportunity in this and they thought the time has come for them to take over the country again. The background was extremely interesting. There were two things happening within Iraq at that time. They were developing their own oil and very close to giving the concessions for huge new oil fields, to the USSR and France. And the price of sulpher had shot up so greatly that they were about to mine the sulpher mines in the north and sell it in the world market.

The United States didn't want either to happen. The United States wanted the oil for American oil companies; they wanted the sulpher for themselves. They thought that if Iraq went to the Soviet Union or France, Iraq would be lost to them. In this they were joined by the Ba'ath Party. The Party used the concessions for oil and sulpher as a bargaining point to endear itself once again to America. And they arrived once again at some kind of an agreement of collaboration between the two sides. On the American side negotiating for both the oil and sulpher was a well-known personality, Robert Anderson, the former secretary of treasury under Eisenhower. He met secretly with the Ba'ath and they agreed that if they took over power these concessions will be given to the United States.

And so once again the United States was in the business of supporting the Ba'ath office for the government of Iraq. The Ba'ath was successful. This time Saddam Hussein played a key role. He was one of the people who donned a military uniform -- though he's not a military man -- and attacked the presidential palace and occupied it. The president, being weak, surrendered immediately. Two weeks after they took over power on the 17th of July 1968, there was what they call "the correction movement." That meant getting rid of the non-Ba'ath elements in the coup, and Saddam was prominent in that. As a matter of fact he held a gun to the head of the prime minister and said, "You're going with me to the airport because you're leaving this country." And the guy pleaded with him, said, "I have family, I have a wife and kids." And Saddam said, "Well as long as you behave, they'll be fine." He took him to the airport, he put him in a plane, he deported him, and of course years after, he assassinated him in front of the Intercontinental Hotel in London. The man couldn't escape him in the long run.

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Op vrijdag 10 maart 2006 13:57 schreef Vhiper het volgende:

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Er zijn zo een stuk of duizend bronnen te vinden die je tegenspreken, ik noem maar even deze, uit een interview met iemand die Saddam van dichtbij heeft meegemaakt in die tijden:
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/p(...)erviews/aburish.html

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Op zaterdag 11 maart 2006 08:59 schreef ChatChewbacca het volgende:
klez, wacko, leer eens bronnen selecteren. Het is algemeen bekend dat Saddam en Amerika via de CIA vriendjes waren.

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Is ook bekend van onze grote Al Qaida leider. Wel eens gehoord over afghanistan? De mujahadin werden betaald door de CIA om de ó zo enge russen buiten de deur te houden.

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Ook in 2002 gaf Hein Klemann met zijn "Nederland 1938 – 1948. Economie en samenleving in jaren van oorlog en bezetting" een beeld van de Nederlandse economie tijdens de oorlog. Hij rekent af met de traditionele voorstelling dat Nederland door de Duitse bezetter systematisch beroofd en steeds armer werd gemaakt. In de periode van mei 1940 tot najaar 1942 draaide het Nederlandse bedrijfsleven goed mee in de Duitse economie. De Nederlandse bedrijven werkten intenser mee dan de Belgische. Tot 1944 bleef de Nederlandse economie nog groeien, o.m. door handel met de Wehrmacht.

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Op donderdag 9 maart 2006 14:31 schreef mrdjey het volgende:
Ik was een beetje aan het inlezen over de invasie van Nederland door de Duitsers tijdens de 2e WO. En toen stuite ik op de volgende website.

http://www.bartcop.com/421102.htm

Hier las ik het volgende stukje:

Prescott Bush received $750,000 for his share of Union Banking Corporation, a princely sum in 1951, but nothing compared to the millions the Thyssen family got back. Prescott used some of this Nazi cash to bankroll his son George Herbert Walker Bush’s first business enterprise and to support his successful bid for Senate in 1952.

Vroeg me af of dit bekent is bij de meeste mensen.