[Centraal Hurricane Katrina] Problemen in New Orleans deel 2

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Op vrijdag 2 september 2005 00:46 schreef Dubbelzuurrr het volgende:

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Na alle processen over bevlekte jurken en sigarensex, zou je toch denken dat dit genoeg zou moeten zijn voor een impeachment.

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Op vrijdag 2 september 2005 00:46 schreef Dubbelzuurrr het volgende:

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Na alle processen over bevlekte jurken en sigarensex, zou je toch denken dat dit genoeg zou moeten zijn voor een impeachment.

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Even when Katrina's floodwaters are pumped out of New Orleans -- a process that could take weeks -- the city will be anything but dry.

Buildings, vehicles and their contents will be waterlogged and covered with mud. Whatever debris is currently sloshing around in the floodwaters will be strewn about the city in enormous piles.

Everything will be waterlogged, most of it ruined. It will be a monumental task just coordinating the collection and disposal of debris and trash.

Virtually everything worth keeping will have to be washed off, decontaminated and dried out. The city's drinking water distribution system will need to be flushed out and disinfected, a process that could take weeks or even months.

Buildings will have to be stripped down to their studs and dried out with dehumidifiers, a process that can't even begin in New Orleans until electricity is restored weeks or months from now.

For many homeowners, the expense and effort may not even be worth it. The median home in New Orleans costs about $87,000 -- by the time you figure in debris removal, demolition, drying and rebuilding, it may be cheaper simply to knock the whole house down and build a new one on its foundation.

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Leegpompen New Orleans duurt maanden

NEW ORLEANS (ANP) – Het volledig leegpompen van de goeddeels verzonken stad New Orleans kan wel drie tot zes maanden duren.
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Dat heeft de Amerikaanse kolonel Richard Wagenaar donderdag gezegd tegen The Los Angeles Times. Wagenaar geeft in New Orleans leiding aan de militaire operatie om de stad weer enigszins droog te krijgen.
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Het laaggelegen New Orleans is ondergelopen door de breuk van twee dijken die de stad hadden moeten beschermen tegen het hoge water in het Pontchartrain-meer. In New Orleans zijn van oudsher 22 waterpompen geïnstalleerd, maar door het uitvallen van de stroom werken die niet of ze zijn door het hoogwater onbereikbaar. De waterpompinstallatie in 17th Street Canal in New Orleans is een van de grootste ter wereld, met een capaciteit om elke seconde 283 kubieke meter water af te voeren.
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De voortgang van de operatie van Wagenaar is nog afhankelijk van de snelheid waarmee de dijken kunnen worden gerepareerd en van het weer.

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Drove into HELL (New Orleans) last night... Sensitive types stay out
Thought maybe some might enjoy my adventure..

First off I wanted to post what REALLY is going on in this city. Please don't get this thread locked people. The news stations are only showing a minuscule of reality. This post may offend some people but I will post what I saw, like it or not it is REALITY.
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Well last night I was watching the 6pm news when they announced the 17th street canal pumps failed as well as another break in the levee. My house is right off St. Charles Ave. and up to 6pm yesterday is was the only part of the city that was dry. Since the pumps failed and the new break St. Charles Ave. would be under 9ft of water in the next 12-15hrs. My brother and I felt if we wanted to save anything we had to leave NOW. We loaded up flashlights, rope, our medical ID's, both our .45 Glocks, 2 shotguns and rode out. En-route we listened to the radio which broad casted all the news about the looters and what not, in hindsight it was a mistake. My mother didn't want us to go by dad who is a Vietnam vet told to be safe and "shoot to kill" if it ever comes to that.

One the way we had to pass 5-6 checkpoints to allow entry into the city. We stated we were medical personnel who were activated, showed our ID and off we went. On the radio reports were coming in about the officer who was shot in the head, the 2 gunman who opened fired on the NOPD station, and how looters were carjacking cars to get out of the city. This started making my brother nervous and giving seconds thoughts.

Anyway we get to the city and it looks like a freaking war zone. The best visual I can give is the movie "Blackhawk Down" when all the Somalians are rushing the city. They are people EVERYWHERE, they are pissed off, and all have weapons, 2X4's, Axes, and guns. If this wasn't bad enough we are 2 white boys in a truck in a sea several hundred armed pissed off blacks. There wasn't a white person to be found. I couldn't get over the little 8-10yr old kids with weapons, I ever saw one carry a claw hammer!

These people were absolutely nuts rammed trucks(stolen I'm sure) in to jewelry stores stealing items, they were tearing apart Wal-Mart carrying out TV's, Playstations, DVD players, etc. One lady was wheeling out an entire rack of merchandise, not sure what it was but sure wasn't clothes for food. They were all laughing and carrying on like it's freaking Christmas.

We got stuck in traffic when we see the group of guys walking down the street w/ AK-47's, at that point the "pucker factor" kicked in, a couple Glocks and shotguns were no match for that. We haul azz trying to get to Uptown when we see these people chopping down the front door w/ an axe of this $4-5 million dollar mansion on ST. Charles Ave. I was just in total awe because it was so surreal. Making matters worse it's 11pm at night there is no electricity and you really can see anything or anyone until they are right up on you.

Our plan was to be in and out in 30min, this included putting his Harley on the trailer. It would have taken me 5-10min tops to get my stuff, all I wanted was my pictures from college, my clothes/shoes, and my computer tower. Well he got scared saying we are going to get jumped while putting the bike on the trailer. Keep in mind this is the only area in the city that is dry. So just like rats who move to higher ground these people were doing the same. Word must have gotten out that Uptown was dry so there started to be a large influx of people.

Needless to say he wanted to go home rather than take our chances. While it was the smart thing to do I was beyond infuriated w/ him because we made it this far. He just kept saying our lives aren't worth it. So we turned around, our next challenge was getting out of the city while not getting jacked. Reports came out that people were jumping in the back of truck holding the drivers at gunpoint. Traffic started to slow so I just nailed it got out as fast as I could.

Even though he was the voice of reason I'm still pissed. All I have is my life and the clothes on my back. I lost my house(which is now 9ft underwater) ALL my clothes, TV, computer, furniture, and photo albums and videos from childhood and college. What makes this worse is my brother owned the house and I was a tenant and I didn't have renters insurance, hindsight is 20/20.

I also hope everyone of the Fucking looters get Tetanus, E-Coli and F*(KING drown. I'm serious I really hope the all die for what they were doing to the city, killing people, and destroying homes. Never in my life have I ever seen people act live savages, it was truly sicking.

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Well I attempted fate again and went back to the city. Didn't want to start a flame fest so I figured I'd post afterward. Most of you will not/do not understand WHY I went back but I think some will. This time we went in broad daylight and initially there was to be five but ended up three. We were armed w/ two pistols each(plus 2 back up) and each having 12-gague shot guns (Police/Military spec Remington 870). Once again we were force through 5 checkpoints had to show ID. At the last checkpoint the State Trooper asked "Are you carrying" to which we said yes and he then replied "Good, you may have to use them."

Over all the Westbank of the city is pretty dry, surprisingly. We exited at Tchoupitoulas at it is right near the Superdome w/people everywhere. The road was clear and we didn't stop. First we went to my buddy's house on Magazine which was dry as a bone, no water what so ever. My bro and I set up a perimeter while Lance went inside to get his stuff. Heilo's were everywhere, Coast Guard, local oil company, Huey's and even Blackhawks. I'm outside and these two people pass pushing a shopping car and the women is staring at the gun. She said "Dann dat's a big 'ole gun, I just smiled and shook my head "yes". A truck full of National Guards pass by and when they saw us they cheered "Who Hoo" I'm assuming b/c the gubs. What was frightening was they they didn't have any guns! We finished there and went on to my house. I was pretty pumped because Lance's house was dry and only a couple blocks down from my on the other side of St. Charles. Well my joy shortly faided when every street was covered with water and 200yr old oak branches. We turn the corner and see one of the famous historic New Orleans homes, I mean MANSION to be inhabited by a family who OBVIOUSLY did not live there. I mean this is easily a $5-6 million dollar home and these people are sitting on the porch, kids playing football in the yard, clothes strung out on the lawn. I just couldn't believe it.

The closest I could get to the house without submerging the truck was 5 blocks,.great. Water was up to my waist and I'm 5'10. At one point we has to "tightrope walk" across a cemetery wall because the water was so deep it was easily over our heads. As we are walking we are passing families sitting on the porch just watching us, I felt sorry for them. We finally make it to the house and there is about 4ft of water in front which is good because the house is 6ft off the ground. I was happy the house was dry and not looted. We check the house and it's safe and we grab the bare essential, clothes, pictures, documents. I had to leave my new TV, computer, stereo, etc. Well I had about 50lbs in each hand which I soon learned was too much. I'm not weak by any means but carrying 80-100lbs that many block above water was WORK!. Sadly we couldn't get the Harley, but for now it is safe and dry. We gave the family on the porch a couple gallons of water from the truck on the way back.

Next we go to Lance's GF's house and while I'm outside make sure everything is cool a neighbor walks up w/ a sidearm and asked if the Military has arrived yet. I tell them about the troops that rode by earlier and he stated he's shot at several people trying to loot neighbor's houses and cars. He was out of 12 gauge buckshot so I gave him a box.

So we are loaded up and heading toward the bridge when we pass the Wal-Mart on Tchoupitoulas and see two soldiers guarding the store. We pull up to talk to him and I guess he saw the shotguns and he IMMEDIATELY drew his weapon. I'm still now certain what type of fully automatic rifle it was (no M16 or anything like that). Anyway we all put our hands up and ask him if it was safe to exit up ahead and if he needed anything like water, ammo, etc. He said "I'll take all the ammo you can spare". I asked if they are low already and he stated that in anticipation of the storm they sent all the weapons and ammo to Jackson,Ms and it flooded before they could get to them. So THAT is why none of the Guardsmen are carrying. We gave him all the ammo we had minus what was in our clips. So they ended up w/ around 5-6 boxes of buckshot and 150-200 rounds of hollow point .45

He then said 'Be careful up ahead they are rioting at the Superdome. Whatever you do DO NOT STOP. We leave and take the on ramp and inf ront of use is 200-300people block the on ramp trying to get out of the city. We put out guns to the windows(they have been carjacking every car leaving the city) held the horn and never dropped below 15mph. People were moving away the rushing the truck but after seeing the guns they backed off. I really felt bad for some of those people because they looked tired and have a looong walk ahead of them but we weren't taking any chances.

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Op vrijdag 2 september 2005 03:49 schreef StefanP het volgende:
Zou het? Nadat bleek dat er geen WMDs in Irak waren en dat de oorlog gebaseerd was op leugens, heb ik hem ook absoluut niet onder echte kritiek gebukt zien gaan, terwijl die oorlog het land honderden miljarden kost. Een president die het volk voorliegt die er gewoon nog lekker rustig bijzit. Ik kijk in ieder geval met interesse of het nu wel anders zal zijn.

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Op vrijdag 2 september 2005 03:49 schreef StefanP het volgende:
Zou het? Nadat bleek dat er geen WMDs in Irak waren en dat de oorlog gebaseerd was op leugens, heb ik hem ook absoluut niet onder echte kritiek gebukt zien gaan, terwijl die oorlog het land honderden miljarden kost. Een president die het volk voorliegt die er gewoon nog lekker rustig bijzit. Ik kijk in ieder geval met interesse of het nu wel anders zal zijn.

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Op vrijdag 2 september 2005 04:42 schreef Stereotomy het volgende:
Zeg, ik zit me nu even in te lezen in de situatie (paar dagen weggeweest) en dit is qua situatie erger dan de Tsunami van begin dit jaar....

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Op vrijdag 2 september 2005 07:48 schreef speknek het volgende:
Blijft frappant dat bijna alle Afro-Amerikanen thuis zijn gebleven.

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Op vrijdag 2 september 2005 07:27 schreef indahnesia.com het volgende:

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Nou, in vergelijking is het véél erger daar de VS meer dan voldoende (geld, materieel, personeel) bezit om een dergelijke ramp direct grondig aan te pakken. Dat is voor de volle 100% NIET gedaan, dit in tegenstelling tot de Tsunami, waar veel landen totaal niets KONDEN.