Las laatst een interview, ging ook over oa Illuminati enz.
Dr. Neruda: “No. The Illuminati is part of the secret network, but it’s not the alpha organization. The Illuminati is affiliated with other blueblood organizations, mostly originating from European roots, but its goals and objectives are not aligned to the Incunabula.”
Sarah: “In what way, because from my reading it seemed like it was the secret network you were referring to.”
Dr. Neruda: “First, you need to understand that the secret network, as I was referring to, is loosely assembled and not well aligned because of competing agendas. Nonetheless, there is a sense of camaraderie between some of the more powerful groups mostly because they share an elite status in business, academia, or government.
“However, these groups are generally designed to help its members build greater wealth and influence through the members’ network of business and government contacts. It is somewhat comparable to a high-powered networking organization.”
Sarah: “Are you sure we’re talking about the same organization?”
Dr. Neruda: “There are many stories about the Illuminati that are based more on legend than evidence. Too many conspiratorial objectives are credited to them, and they are not organized in this way. Their leadership is too visible and carefully scrutinized by the media. When you have this condition, you can, in most instances, dispel the notion that global, conspiratorial objectives are in the works.”
Sarah: “What about the occult references to the Illuminati? Are they true?”
Dr. Neruda: “The supposed leaders of the Illuminati are not occultists or Satan worshippers as they are sometimes accused. Again, this is conspiracy theory run amok, usually by those who seek to define enemies that can embody Lucifer, which in their mind is synonymous with the occult. The Illuminati, while it exists as an elite organization, is made up of men and women that do not conform to one belief system. The spiritual beliefs of their members are not used as criteria to acquire membership. What’s important is a member’s personal network of contacts.”
Sarah: “But don’t they have a tremendous influence on politics?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, they have influence, as do the Masons, and Skull and Bones, and twenty-seven other organizations that make up this loose-knit network of the elite, but the people who control the master plan are not directly affiliated with any one of these thirty organizations.
“The reality is that these organizations really operate in one of three forces that do have alignment under the controlling hand of the Incunabula.”
Sarah: “So you’re saying that within these three forces the world’s political stage is organized, and the group with the most money also has the best knowledge and basically controls the other two groups?”
Dr. Neruda: “The Incunabula doesn’t dictate to the other two forces. It strategically releases information that lures the two forces in the direction it wants them to go.
“You can look at these three forces as part of an equilateral triangle, with the Incunabula at the apex, and the Global Military Force at one base and the Isolationist Force at the other. This is the real structure of global power.”
Sarah: “I’m not clear about the different objectives of these three forces.”
Dr. Neruda: “The Incunabula is concerned with the globalization of monetary channels and vital supplies like petroleum and natural gas; the Military Force is concerned with spreading and preserving democratization throughout the globe, and in so doing, protecting the self-interests of the dominant superpowers of America and Western Europe; and the Isolationist Force is focused on industry and wealth building for its citizens at the state level.”
Sarah: “But how does the Incunabula lure these other two forces to do its bidding? Can you give me an example?”
Dr. Neruda: “Why do you think Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait?”
Sarah: “To grab its oil wells and make a lot of money.”
Dr. Neruda: “On the surface that is close to the truth. Following the Iran-Iraq War, Saddam had depleted a good deal of his country’s wealth, and to be sure, he was interested in the wealth production of Kuwait, but he also knew that his military was not designed to invade and annex countries, and he was aware that the superpowers would protect their interests in Kuwait.
“Saddam had a real dilemma, he had upwards of a million soldiers that were without jobs after the Iran-Iraq War and there was no place within Iraq’s broader economy to absorb these men. The Military Force was aware of Saddam’s dilemma, and, through a consistent disinformation campaign by the Military Force, Saddam was led to believe that he would be allowed to invade Kuwait without superpower retaliation.
“There are high level operatives within the Military Force that are also the eyes and ears of the Incunabula. It was well understood that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that it had developed during the course of its war with Iran. The Military Force saw this as a destabilizing element of its long-term policy to bring democracy – American-style – to the oil-producing region.
“The Incunabula does not have control of the Middle East oil. It is the only vital asset in which they do not exercise prime authority. Saddam Hussein was seduced by disinformation to attack Kuwait so that the Military Force could – with the whole world looking on – dismantle Iraq’s defenses. This was a staged event of global impact exercised by the Incunabula and carried out by the Military Force completely unaware that they were being lured into this conflict in the same way as Iraq.”
Sarah: “And all because some elite trillionaires want to control the world’s oil supply?”
Dr. Neruda: “It’s much more complex than that, though that is a part of the equation. I’m not sure how much you want me to go into it.”
Sarah: “It’s hard to stop after you drop this revelation on me. Where is this all headed… I mean what is the end-goal of the Incunabula?”
Dr. Neruda: “Do you mean in the context of the Middle East?”
Sarah: “Yes.”
Dr. Neruda: “They want to control crude oil production. They want to exercise authority over this critical asset that is so fundamental to shaping world economies. They have controls over refining and the distribution of end products, but they lack control over the production, particularly in the Middle East. This is the fundamental goal, but it’s surrounded by the tributary objectives of bringing a Western culture to the region and slowly, but surely, homogenizing the world’s culture. They want this global culture as a framework in which to create global regulation.”
Sarah: “And how long will this take… assuming they’re successful?”
Dr. Neruda: “From the perspective of the ACIO, it has a probability of occurrence no more than 35% within the next 10 years and jumps to a 60% probability in 20 years. Thereafter, it becomes more probable with each passing decade, until it reaches near-certainty by the year 2060.”
Sarah: “And when you say ‘global regulation’, what do you mean?”
Dr. Neruda: “The ability to regulate the vital resources of the planet as a singular, global political body.”
Sarah: “What makes this such a critical goal of the Incunabula?”
Dr. Neruda: “The diminishing oil and natural gas supplies. These are non-renewable energy sources, and what required a billion years to create 3.2 trillion barrels of useable oil has taken 110 years to reduce to 1.8 trillion barrels. The planet’s oil supply is its economic lifeblood. As this diminishes, so does the economic system in which the world’s people live. As the economic conditions erode, instability arises, and if left unchecked, chaos ensues.”
Sarah: “Again you’re saying that this is all about oil?”
Dr. Neruda: “Try to understand that to me it’s astounding that this isn’t obvious. Anyone who knows the condition of the world’s oil supply can perform simple extrapolations and conclude that the world is approximately fifty years away from oil depletion, and that assumes you use the more optimistic analyses. On the pessimistic side, it could be as little as twenty-five years.”
Sarah: “How can that be? I don’t recall anything being said about this in the media. I would think this would be a huge story if it were that obvious and that ominous.”
Dr. Neruda: “There are many versions of this story that circulate in the media, but they never quite capture the attention of the mass media and the masses because they deal with the distant future – a topic not held in high regard by citizens in love with their Western lifestyles. Nevertheless, this future is precisely where the Incunabula place their focus because this is what determines the tactics of the present day.
“The depletion of the world’s oil supply, coupled to the growth in human population, is the dominant influence that is shaping the policies of the Incunabula and its timetable.”
Sarah: “So the agenda of the Incunabula is to control the diminishing oil supply in order to do what?”
Dr. Neruda: “At the highest levels of the Incunabula, the planning horizons are typically twenty to one hundred years, depending on the issue. They are well aware that as the oil supplies diminish, oil will become increasingly more difficult to extract from the planet’s reservoirs, and consequently, require at minimum, a thirty percent delta in refining costs. This will have a profound effect on price, which can have the effect of producing a persistent recession in the world’s economy.”
“The planners of the Incunabula believe that by consolidating control of the oil supply and its distribution it is the best way to impose rationing at a global level without setting off Armageddon.”
Sarah: “It’s really that serious?”
Dr. Neruda: “I don’t mean to sound like an alarmist, but this is the fundamental problem that the world must address in the 21st century. The brightest minds of our planet are well aware of this and have known this for twenty years or more.”
Sarah: “Why then aren’t the leaders of the world, and the brightest minds, working on alternative energy sources?”
Dr. Neruda: “In some instances they are. There’re several alternative energy sources that are under consideration – some are not even released to the public at this time because they stem from technologies that also carry great potential as weapons.
“But the bigger issue is how to change the energy system of our modern-day civilization from petroleum to a new energy source, or perhaps to change the manner in which we live – in other words, our oil dependent lifestyle.”
Sarah: “Why is that such a big deal? I would think that as the world wakes up to the reality of dwindling oil supplies it would be very receptive to a new energy source.”
Dr. Neruda: “Have you ever heard the quote by Machiavelli about the difficulty of changing a system?”
Sarah: “I don’t think so.”
Dr. Neruda: “He wrote, ‘There is nothing more difficult to plan, more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to manage than the creation of a new system. For the initiator has the enmity of all who would profit by the preservation of the old system and merely lukewarm defenders in those who would gain by the new one’.”
Sarah: “Okay, so this requires a lot of preparation and planning, and probably persuasion. But what choices do we have?”
Dr. Neruda: “None. This is the realism of the next fifty years.”
Sarah: “I presume the Incunabula plan to orchestrate this change of systems. Am I right on that?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes. As I said earlier, they believe the global regulation of energy resources and the ability to manage population growth are the convergent issues of our time that – if managed properly – can avert Armageddon.”
Sarah: “You’ve said that word twice tonight – Armageddon. What do you mean by that? Are you talking about World War III?”
Dr. Neruda: “Armageddon is defined by the ACIO as the chaos of humanity. It is the time when humanity plunges into chaos and the interfaces of global commerce, communication, and diplomacy are destroyed in favor of national self-preservation. If this were to happen, weapons of unusual power could be used to destroy thirty percent or more of the human population. This is the definition that we don’t like to talk about, but it’s well known within the ACIO as a possibility in the 21st century.”
Sarah: “So I assume you have your probability forecasts for this as well. Right?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”
Sarah: “And what are they, dare I ask?”
Dr. Neruda: “I’d prefer not to say. They aren’t really relevant anyway because they fluctuate based on world events.”
Sarah: “But this is what the Incunabula’s planners are trying to steer clear of?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes. This consumes their agenda more than any other issue.”
Sarah: “What other organizations are consumed by this agenda?”
Dr. Neruda: “There are none.”
Sarah: “What?”
Dr. Neruda: “This agenda is unique to the Incunabula because they’re the only organization that is focused squarely on averting this particular crisis condition based on the convergence criteria I stated earlier.”
Sarah: “You mean they’re the only organization that’s worried about Armageddon as it relates to dwindling oil supplies and population increases?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”
Sarah: “But you’re not telling me that other organizations aren’t worried about World War III or Armageddon, how ever you define it. Right?”
Dr. Neruda: “Every nation’s leadership is concerned about these issues, but it’s by no means the focus of their agenda. It is a small, compartmentalized component of their agenda.
“This is precisely why Fifteen is involved with the Incunabula’s planners, the threats to the human race are both real and persistent, and with each passing decade the conditions are only growing more fertile for fragmentation and chaos – the very kind you would observe in tribal warfare. There is no fundamental difference.”
Sarah: “And the leaders of the Military Force know about this objective?”
Dr. Neruda: “No. They have their own agenda, which is related, but quite different as well. They don’t aspire to regulate oil production; they intend to defend its availability and influence its price as a result. They’re not concerned with globalization as it relates to economic or cultural platforms, but rather, they’re concerned with exporting democracy in order to ensure stabilization in the region, and eradicate instability in the form of terrorists and dictators alike.”
Sarah: “But that seems at odds with everything I’ve heard about the military.”
Dr. Neruda: “In what way?”
Sarah: “You make it sound as though the Military Force is trying to bring stability or peace, when everything I’ve ever read implies that the military feeds off of conflict and instability. If the world is at peace, then the military becomes a simple police force, its power is reduced and its budgets are slashed.”
Dr. Neruda: “I understand your question. However, the Military Force is not the same thing as the military. While it is very pro-military, it operates in a longer planning horizon than military personnel. The Military Force is made up of high-level politicians, business people, intelligence members, academics, think tanks, and so on. Its members are from the United Kingdom, America, Germany, Canada, Australia, Israel, and many other countries. Its cohesion, as a group, is not so much a function of formal structure and meetings, but rather it’s by publishing classified papers that are shared among its elite members. These papers define the platform, goals, long-term objectives, and essentially map out the strategy and tactics by which the Military Force intends to execute its plan.
“The Military Force is working on hybrid defensive and offensive weapons that relate to space, bio-weapons, the Internet, and other environments that are as yet not viewed as battlefield arenas. They would contend that R & D budgets should be increased in order to develop these new weapons in order to secure the rights of free people to live without fear of preemptive attack. They intend to remove this reality from the face of the earth and at the same time, propagate democracy.”
Sarah: “But isn’t this a noble goal?”
Dr. Neruda: “Their goals are not necessarily misguided, but their methods to achieve these goals are. This is all about projecting power, and, as a consequence, dictating the prevailing political platform by which the world achieves peace. It is enforced peace. It is peace through power and manipulation.”
Sarah: “But it’s still peace and it’s still democracy. It’s certainly better than the alternative of wars and anarchy or dictatorship.”
Dr. Neruda: “There are other means to achieve the same end.”
Sarah: “You said that the budget for military spending would only increase over time if the Military Force has its way. How would that happen amidst world peace?”
Dr. Neruda: “New threats will be determined that will create this need even though our countries of the world are at peace.”
Sarah: “Are you talking about ETs again?”
Dr. Neruda: “Among other things. China will likely be the last island of opposition that the wave of democracy will land upon, but when it does, the Military Force desires to have unique weapons at its disposal in order to swiftly bring the changes it seeks. Bio-weapons will likely be the choice—”
Sarah: “How is that possible when the U.S. has banned bio-weapons?”
Dr. Neruda: “Unfortunately the discoveries in the human genome are too compelling for the Military Force to ignore as it pertains to bio-weapons development. Research is already underway, and has been for two years, to develop bio-weapons that target certain genomes indicative of a specific race.”
Sarah: “Like Chinese?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, but it doesn’t mean the weapon would ever be deployed. It would simply be a known capability of the Military Force and that alone would make the change of regime irresistible.”
Die interviews gaan nog verder:
The interviews contained in this section of the WingMakers' website are transcripts taken from a series of interviews between Dr. Neruda (the defected ACIO scientist) and Sarah the journalist he contacted shortly after his defection. These interviews provide provocative insights into the Advance Contact Intelligence Organization (ACIO) - the secret government organization responsible for reverse-engineering acquired extraterrestrial technologies.
The Neruda Interviews also provide remarkable insight into a wide variety of topics, including the human genome, secret societies, new physics, cosmology, extraterrestrial influence on earth, and the spiritual nature and purpose of humankind. The interviews are recorded and then transcribed by Sarah exactly as they occurred. These are the original files. It is recommended to read them in the order they were recorded.
Interview1:
http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda1.htmlInterview2 :http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda2.html
Interview3:
http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda3.htmlInterview4:
http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda4ex.html