by
Brad Steiger
Index of Issue 17
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A hundred years before William Reed wrote The Phantom of the Poles ("scientific evidence proving that the earth is hollow") and Marshall B. Gardner privately published his A Journey to the Earth's Interior and when Jules Verne, who would later write A Journey to the Center of the Earth, was only nine years old, Edgar Allan Poe published his longest tale, "The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym," which told of a fantastic land located in Earth's center, reached by a hole at the pole. So convincingly did Poe weave the pseudoscientific beginning of his narrative that Horace Greeley soberly endorsed the Pym adventure as a true account, without finishing the tale and encountering its later sections of obvious fantasy.
In 1823, Captain John Cleve Symmes, a dour, humorless, retired war hero, petitioned the U. S. Congress for funds to conduct an expedition to explore the hollow earth. Captain Symmes and his small band of followers felt somewhat anointed for the task because the great American clergyman Cotton Mather had defended the theory of a hollow earth in his book The Christian Philosopher. Mather, in turn, had developed his hypothesis from a little-known essay penned by English astronomer Edmund Halley in 1692.
Quaint notions from an unsophisticated and romantic past, smiles the modern reader. Lest he remain secure in such an appraisal, he should be informed that one of the greatest military-scientific aggregations of this century was also prepared to explore and to exploit the alleged world within our planet.
THE THIRD REICH
In April, 1942, Nazi Germany sent out an expedition composed of its most visionary scientists to seek a military vantage point in the "Hollow Earth." Although the safari of leading scientists left at a time when the Third Reich was putting maximum effort in their drive against the Allies, Goering, Himmler, and Hitler enthusiastically endorsed the project.
The Fuehrer had long been convinced that Earth was concave and that man lived on the inside of the globe. According to theory advanced by the Nazi scientists, if the Third Reich were to position their most astute radar experts in the proper geometric area, they would be able to determine the position of the British Fleet and the Allied bomber squadrons, because the concave curvature of the globe would enable infrared rays to accomplish long-distance monitoring.
When the Nazi exponents of the Hollow Earth hypothesis sent the expedition to the island of Rugen, they had complete confidence in their pseudo-scientific vision. Those nearest the Fuehrer shared his belief that such a coup as discovering the entrance to the Inner World would convince the Masters who lived there that the Nazis were truly deserving of mixing their blood in the hybridization of a master race.
An important element in the Nazi mythos was the belief that representatives of a powerful, underground secret race emerged from time to time to walk among Homo sapiens. Hitler's frenzied desire to breed a select race of Nordic types was inspired by his obsessive hope that it should be the Germanic peoples who would be chosen above all other humans to interbreed with the subterranean supermen in the mutation of a new race of heroes, demigods, and god men.
LEGENDS OF THE OLD ONES
There are persistent legends in nearly every culture that tell of the Old Ones, an ancient race who populated the earth millions of years ago. The Old Ones, an immensely intelligent and scientifically advanced race, have chosen to structure their own environment under the surface of the planet and manufacture all their necessities.
The Old Ones are hominid, extremely long-lived, and pre-date Homo sapiens by more than a million years. The Old Ones generally remain aloof from the surface peoples, but from time to time, they have been known to offer constructive criticism; and it has been said, they often kidnap human children to tutor and rear as their own. There is scarcely a culture known to man that does not have at least one segment of their folklore built around troll-like creatures that live underground and do their best to steal the children of surface folk.
In virtually all the legends, the Old Ones have gone underground to escape natural catastrophes or the hidden death that exists in the life-giving rays of our sun. At this point a persistently propagated theory of Atlantis crosses the path of the Old Ones, the mysterious Teachers from the Caves, which declares that those Atlanteans who survived the great cataclysm learned to perpetuate themselves in underground caverns.
An alternate theory has it that the Cave Masters are surviving colonies of spacemen, who after walking the earth in god-like mien, grew disgusted with Homo sapiens and retreated to underearth bases from which they might watch over the primitive species' intellectual and cultural development. The Buddhists have even incorporated Agharta, a subterranean empire, into their theology and fervently believe in its existence and in the reality of underworld supermen, who periodically surface to oversee the progress of the human race.
Among the American indians, the Navajo legends teach that the forerunners of man came from beneath the earth. The ancient ones were possessed of supernatural powers and were driven from their caverns by a great flood (yet another echo of the traditional Atlantis myth). Once on the surface, they passed along great knowledge to humans before they once again sought secret sanctuary.
The Pueblo Indians' mythology places their gods' place of origin as being an inner world connected to the surface people by a hole in the north. Mesewa, according to the Pueblos, was succeeded as leader of the gods by his brother, Oyoyewa, which some researchers have pointed out is quite similar to the Hebrew Yahweh.
THE HOLLOW EARTH
Dr. Raymond Bernard's The Hollow Earth, originally published by Fieldcrest Publishing Company of New York, has become the classic work in the rather amorphous field of "proving" the existence of an Inner Earth. In his introduction to the book, Dr. Bernard promises to prove that ". . . the earth is hollow and not a solid sphere . . . and that its hollow interior communicates with the surface by two polar openings...."
Dr. Bernard's magnum opus discloses that Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd flew beyond rather than over the North Pole and that his later expedition to the South Pole passed 2,300 miles beyond it. According to Dr. Bernard, the North and South Poles have never been reached, because they do not exist. In his view, the nation whose explorers first find the entrance to the hollow interior of the earth will become the greatest nation in the world.
There is no doubt, the reader learns, that ". . . the mysterious flying saucers come from an advanced civilization in the hollow interior of the earth . . . that, in event of nuclear world war, the hollow interior of the earth will . . . provide an ideal refuge for the evacuation of survivors of the catastrophe...."
"DEROS" AND "TEROS"
In the March, 1945 issue of Amazing Stories Editor Ray Palmer introduced the Shaver Mystery, a purported "racial memory" of a young welder named Richard Shaver, who first claimed to have remembered a life in the caves, then, later, maintained that he had recently been in the vast underground civilization of cave-dwellers. Life magazine (May 21, 1951) called the Shaver Mystery ". . . the most celebrated rumpus that ever racked the science fiction world." Richard Shaver, however, has never called his accounts anything other than factual reportage.
It is Richard Shaver's contention that in prehistoric times, when our solar system was young, Earth was inhabited by a race of cosmic super-beings who had come here from another solar system. Although the Elder Race were not truly immortals, they had discovered secrets of incredible longevity. This, together with their highly developed scientific technology, caused them to be regarded as gods by the primitive and unsophisticated humans. The Elder Race possessed fantastic mechanical devices, which Shaver calls "mech," capable of projecting three-dimensional images, scanning over great distances, curing diseases, producing food and clothing, and killing and destroying life when necessary.
After a time the Elder Race, the Titans, began to notice that the once beneficent sun now contained detrimental rays which were shortening their life-span by causing premature aging. To escape the harmful rays of the sun, the Elder Race entered deep underground caverns and began carving a fantastic subterranean kingdom, using their ray guns to disintegrate rock. Soon they had constructed powerful machines which could duplicate the health-giving rays of the sun while excluding the detrimental radioactivity.
Homo sapiens continued to evolve in the sun, ignorant of the rays which shortened his life-span, and puzzled by the withdrawal of his gods. However, Shaver tells his readers, the Elder Race was not without its sensualists, and certain of its members, particularly the lesser ones, varied greatly in morality and intelligence.
Perhaps the majority of the Elder Race regarded their lesser evolved human cousins with the superiority and ill-concealed contempt that a pompous research scientist might feel walking amongst stone age aborigines. Others may have exploited the females of Homo sapiens and may even have set the barbaric tribes against each other for the perverse pleasure of the Elder Race, who may have openly rooted for, and secretly assisted, their favorite tribes and warriors. The more humane among the Elder Race did their best to assist the primitive humans to develop a more functional culture and technology. According to Shaver, the ancient myths and legends are the unsophisticated surface dwellers' version of the myriad activities of the Elder Race.
After a time, the Shaver Mystery has it, the Elder Race became dissatisfied with life on Earth. Spaceships were sent to find another more suitable world where they could live on the surface without fearing negative rays from the sun. When the scouts returned with word of a planet with a beneficial sun, a mass exodus was at once set in motion.
Because of the great distance involved and the limited number of spacecraft large enough to serve as transports, the vast majority of their marvelous machines of super science were sealed in underground caverns. Desperate experimentation with the "mech" brought about certain radiations that destroyed a portion of the brain of many of the underpeople and produced a dangerous form of hereditary insanity.
Vast numbers of the cave people began to degenerate into physically stunned near-idiots, incapable of constructive reasoning. Shaver tells his readers that these are the "dero," detrimental-or degenerate- robots. "Robot" as Shaver used the word does not mean a mechanical representation of man, but is rather a designation for those who are controlled, or obsessed, by degenerative forces.
The deros, due to their hereditary brain damage, are completely devoid of any moral sense or humane instinct. They do harm at every opportunity and they gain immense satisfaction from the sufferings of others. They have mastered the use of certain of the "mech," and they direct negative rays at the surface dwellers whenever possible.
Their greatest delight comes in luring, or kidnapping, humans into the caverns and debasing them in sadistic orgies, which usually result in death or enslavement for the unfortunate captive. According to Shaver, the details of some of these grotesque debaucheries reached the surface world and established the foundations for the accounts of devils, demons, and the underworld hells of religion.
Editor Ray Palmer claimed that the issue of Amazing Stories (March, 1945) that carried the first Shaver fact-fiction piece brought in an unprecedented mail response of 50,000 letters, all of which Palmer said ". . . stated that Shaver spoke the truth, there actually were caves, and dero, and rays, and stim, and contrived train wrecks, and mental control, and thought records, and Titans, and ancient spaceships, and radioactive death raining down on us from the sun."
Ray Palmer kept the mystery and the controversy going for four years, in more than fifty consecutive issues of Amazing Stories, Fantastic Adventures, Mammoth Adventures, and even South Sea Stories. The furor the Shaver Mystery set off among the science fiction and Fortean buffs continues to break out in periodic brush fires. Richard Shaver continues to contribute his "memories" to mimeographed fanzines, and occasionally, to the late Ray Palmer's Search magazine, published in Amherst, Wisconsin.
STRANGE TALES
Timothy Green Beckley, editor of Innerlight newsletter, has probably published more material on Richard Shaver and his cave dwellers than any other writer-editor outside of Ray Palmer. Beckley tells of finding a record of ostensible dero activity Black Range Tales, a book published by James A. McKenna in 1936.
McKenna, who purports to be writing a factual account, tells of observing two Indian maids walk into the wall of a canyon, then reappear with buckets of water for their burros.
After the girls had left, McKenna and a friend, Cousin Jack, investigated and found the entrance to a carefully hidden cave, which sheltered an underground spring.
Later that night, Cousin Jack awoke screaming in pain, complaining of someone sticking him with needles. The two men were puzzled to discover that some form of electricity seemed to be present in the canyon and that the current had run through the grass and caused the sensation of needles being pricked into flesh.
At dawn, according to McKenna, the two men resolved to explore the strange cave. They had not penetrated very far, however, before they retreated, sickened by a sulphuric odor, shocked by the sound of a moaning voice crying for "mercy," and startled by a find of several human skeletons.
Fortean researcher Ronald Calais found an account dating from 1770 which relates the experience of a laborer in Staffordshire, England, who while engaged in digging a tunnel, claimed to have heard the rumble of heavy machinery coming from behind a large, flat stone.
Prying the rock aside with his pick, the laborer was amazed to discover a stone stairway that led deep into the ground. Certain that he had come upon some ancient tomb, the man started down the steps with visions of buried treasure filling his brain.
Instead, the man swore, he found himself in a large stone chamber with the sounds of machinery becoming louder and a hooded figure fast approaching him with a baton-like object in a raised hand. The terrified laborer fled back up the stone stairway to the safety of the surface world.
By way of comparison, Calais couples this account with the comments of David Fellin and Henry Throne, who survived a 1963 Pennsylvania mine cave-in. The two miners claimed that they saw a huge door open to reveal beautiful marble steps with men clothed in "weird outfits" staring at them. The men were certain they had experienced reality, rather than hallucinations.
The preceding is excerpted and edited from Brad Steiger's book "Overlords of Atlantis" with permission from the publisher, Inner Light Publications. To order call 800-700-4024.
Indiana Jones en de Holle Aarde
Indiana Jones en de Binnenwereld
zijn wel fictie, maar de ideeen erachter, de omschrijvingen ed. zijn wel erg interessant om te lezen. Daarbij is het gebaseerd op dingen als bovenstaande.
quote:Heb jij dat hele stuk gelezen Tara?
Op maandag 15 oktober 2001 10:07 schreef TARAraboemdijee het volgende:
lees ook:
Indiana Jones en de Holle Aarde
Indiana Jones en de Binnenwereldzijn wel fictie, maar de ideeen erachter, de omschrijvingen ed. zijn wel erg interessant om te lezen. Daarbij is het gebaseerd op dingen als bovenstaande.
quote:nee, globaal even doorgelezen
Op maandag 15 oktober 2001 10:11 schreef MiSS_TiquE het volgende:[..]
Heb jij dat hele stuk gelezen Tara?
maar geloof me, Indiana is veel leuker om te lezen dan bovenstaande, en er staat ongeveer hetzelfde in
quote:Lekker nuttige reactie
Op maandag 15 oktober 2001 10:32 schreef MoJo het volgende:
Lekker nutteloos gezeik..
.Er is niets nutteloos aan, maar dat wordt uiteindelijk allemaal wel een keer duidelijk. Voorlopig vindt ik het prima wat YRRAB en Lightbeing doen, want de meesten zullen dergelijk materiaal nooit uit zichzelf gaan lezen, omdat ze het toch maar onzin vinden. Het enige wat onzin is, is de reactie van mensen die het als onzin bestempelen. Het leven is zoveel meer dan dat wat je om je heen ziet.
quote:Dat kan wel zo zijn, maar dat is dan nog geen reden om elke fantasietje maar meteen als waarheid aan te nemen.
Op maandag 15 oktober 2001 10:35 schreef Kyori het volgende:
Het leven is zoveel meer dan dat wat je om je heen ziet.
En wat mij betreft mag YRRAB nu langzamerhand wel eens beginnen met wat eigen inbreng te tonen, ipv alleen maar ellenlange teksten te cut'n'pasten.
Q.E.D: Religion replaces ignorance with stupidity.
quote:Dat is iets wat ik helemaal met je eens ben, want als je hele stukken hier neerzet, dan moet je ook wel kunnen vertellen waarom je er zo in geïnteresseerd bent, waarom het nodig is dat anderen het lezen en (dit kan leuk worden) hoe je de betreffende "openbaringen" in het dagelijks leven toepast.
Op maandag 15 oktober 2001 13:21 schreef Jernau.Morat.Gurgeh het volgende:[..]
Dat kan wel zo zijn, maar dat is dan nog geen reden om elke fantasietje maar meteen als waarheid aan te nemen.
En wat mij betreft mag YRRAB nu langzamerhand wel eens beginnen met wat eigen inbreng te tonen, ipv alleen maar ellenlange teksten te cut'n'pasten.
En waarom? Zodat de mensen ook zelf weten wat je met de informatie kan. Informatie in deze vorm is nutteloos.
Het zou vergelijkbaar zijn, wanneer je iemand verteld dat: 1 + 1 = 2.
Wat heeft die persoon daaraan? Niets. Maar als je die persoon verteld dat je de betreffende informatie kan gebruiken om iets uit te rekenen, dan kan er wat met de informatie gedaan worden, zo ook met bovenstaand CRTL-C/V teksten: vertel hoe je het gebruikt!
quote:En hij mag ook meteen doodvallen.
Op maandag 15 oktober 2001 13:21 schreef Jernau.Morat.Gurgeh het volgende:
En wat mij betreft mag YRRAB nu langzamerhand wel eens beginnen met wat eigen inbreng te tonen, ipv alleen maar ellenlange teksten te cut'n'pasten.
quote:Hoezo, geen "eigen inbreng" ?
Op maandag 15 oktober 2001 13:21 schreef Jernau.Morat.Gurgeh het volgende:[..]
En wat mij betreft mag YRRAB nu langzamerhand wel eens beginnen met wat eigen inbreng te tonen, ipv alleen maar ellenlange teksten te cut'n'pasten.
D. Icke heeft persoonlijk niet die teksten op het Fok-forum geplaatst hóór!
Het lijkt wel alsof je met een erectie in je broekje zit te smachtten om mijn persoonlijke mening, hoe pathetisch!
(wel 's van gehoord dat je ook meningen kan délen met anderen zoals i.m.g. met D.Icke!)
quote:Waarom MOET ik vertellen aan JOU waarom ik waar dan ook in geïnteresseerd ben, deze "openbaringen" pas ik toe in het dagelijks leven bijv. door deze te verspreidden via het internet, lijkt me duidelijk, maar blijkbaar bezit je geen greintje intuïtie met je "Maitreyaatje"'anders had je het wel begrepen!(en dat noemt zich "kunstenaar")
Op maandag 15 oktober 2001 13:28 schreef Kyori het volgende:[..]
Dat is iets wat ik helemaal met je eens ben, want als je hele stukken hier neerzet, dan moet je ook wel kunnen vertellen waarom je er zo in geïnteresseerd bent, waarom het nodig is dat anderen het lezen en (dit kan leuk worden) hoe je de betreffende "openbaringen" in het dagelijks leven toepast.
En waarom? Zodat de mensen ook zelf weten wat je met de informatie kan. ie
ps. als jij een stuk in de krant hebt gelezen, ga je dan ook de hoofdredacteur bellen om te vragen waarom ie iets geplaatst heeft in z'n krant en wat zijn "eigen mening" is over wat er in z'n krant staat???
YRRAB en Lightbeing: Hoewel ik al lange tijd bekend ben met enige zaken die jullie hier presenteren, geld dit niet voor de meeste anderen op dit forum.
Oplossing: zoals een goede schrijver de lezer weet te prikkelen tot het lezen van zijn boek, door op de achterkant van zijn boek een kleine inleiding te plaatsen, zo hadden jullie vanaf het begin, bij deze threads, kleine pakkende delen uit de tekst moeten lichten, zodat de lezers geïnteresseerd raken en op eigen kracht de betreffende tekst volledig, of ten dele, zullen gaan lezen.
Dus, stukjes interessante/informatieve tekst, voorzien door een bronvermelding in de vorm van een hyperlink naar de betreffende site. Niet erg moeilijk, maar wel zo plezierig voor de overzichtelijkheid van de thread en de interesse van de lezers, welke momenteel is overgegaan in irritatie.
quote:Met daar aan toegevoegd dat de arrogantie die uit jullie reacties straalt het ook niet fijner maken om te lezen en/of mee te discuseren.
Op maandag 15 oktober 2001 14:00 schreef Kyori het volgende:...
Mijn software: http://www.snidesoft.eu
Misschien vind ik het zeer interessant dit onderwerp, maar ik begrijp er snars van wat er allemaal gezegd word in die quotes..., ook heb ik er weinig zin in om al die tekst door te lezen om eventueel een fatsoenlijke reply te kunnen schrijven.... Oftewel, vertaal minstends bepaalde stukken in het nederlands, zodat het al interessanter word om te lezen. Mijn interesse heb je al als je zelf een stukje erover schrijft in het nederlands, dat zal ik wel lezen!, eventueel meer informatie kan je doorverwijzen naar die page...
quote:ik ben het helemaal met kyori eens.
Op maandag 15 oktober 2001 14:00 schreef Kyori het volgende:
We gaan het even anders doen, want al deze threads lopen straks allemaal uit op een flamewar.YRRAB en Lightbeing: Hoewel ik al lange tijd bekend ben met enige zaken die jullie hier presenteren, geld dit niet voor de meeste anderen op dit forum.
Oplossing: zoals een goede schrijver de lezer weet te prikkelen tot het lezen van zijn boek, door op de achterkant van zijn boek een kleine inleiding te plaatsen, zo hadden jullie vanaf het begin, bij deze threads, kleine pakkende delen uit de tekst moeten lichten, zodat de lezers geïnteresseerd raken en op eigen kracht de betreffende tekst volledig, of ten dele, zullen gaan lezen.
Dus, stukjes interessante/informatieve tekst, voorzien door een bronvermelding in de vorm van een hyperlink naar de betreffende site. Niet erg moeilijk, maar wel zo plezierig voor de overzichtelijkheid van de thread en de interesse van de lezers, welke momenteel is overgegaan in irritatie.
het holle-wereld concept is al heel oud. en zeker interessant om te volgen. zo is er in 'die hohl-welt theorie' (spelling
) een wiskundig gebaseerd betoog opgezet, waarmee allerlei zaken die hebben geleid tot de conclusie dat we op de buitenkant van een bol wonen, geinterpreteerd werden op een manier die aantoonde dat we tegen de binnenkant van een grote bol aan wonen!een leuk onderwerp, weer eens wat anders. maar als je het brengt zoals hier, met stukken tekst van een meter of zo, stoot je iedereen af, niemand leest dit nog.
sterken nog, men gaat zich er aan ergeren, flamewars, etc.
dus, dringend advies: ideeen als deze zijn meer dan welkom op dit forum. maar houdt het simpel en makkelijk verteerbaar. er dieper op ingaan kan altijd nog!
Alec Maclellan; "The hollow earth enigma"
Alec Maclellan; "The lost world of Agharti"
Michael Mott; "Caverns, cauldrons and concealed creatures"
Jan Lamprecht; "Hollow planets".
quote:Uit de FAQ:
Op donderdag 18 oktober 2001 14:51 schreef Blue-eagle het volgende:
Nah, komop zeg, dit is toch gewoon niet realistisch?
quote:Dus iets meer respect mag wel, en dat geld voor iedereen.
Juist voor een forum als dit geldt: Laat iedereen in hun waarde en respecteer hun posts. Het is geen onzin.
Dit behoeft extra aandacht, aangezien het te vaak gebeurt dat er users zijn die hier niet durven te posten uit angst om voor idioot versleten te worden.
Er is niets onrealistisch aan het bestaan van Agartha.
want ik ga niet van die lange gekutte teksten lezen.. ik heb meer dingen te doen...
En zo niet.. verplaats het topic dan maar naar onzin!
quote:Ja, ik ken die faq wel, maar deze topics horen meer in/onzin imho. (DISCLAIMER:MIJN MENING)
Op donderdag 18 oktober 2001 14:59 schreef Kyori het volgende:[..]
Uit de FAQ:
[..]Dus iets meer respect mag wel, en dat geld voor iedereen.
Er is niets onrealistisch aan het bestaan van Agartha.
Oke, what the **** about zwaartekracht (gatorade) en de warmte die van binnen komt? Of hebben ze daar warmte generatoren staan die ons warm moeten houden? Hoe komen ze aan zonlicht? En waarom is er niemand op het idee gekomen om met zo`n ding (soort scanner) de aarde te doorscannen? Veel holle ruimtes zou je dan tegen komen als dit sprookje waar was.
quote:Dat is het fraaie aan meningen, die zijn niet bindend.
Ja, ik ken die faq wel, maar deze topics horen meer in/onzin imho. (DISCLAIMER:MIJN MENING)
quote:Vergeet niet dat de aarde een immense doorsnede heeft, en dat het daardoor mogelijk is. De warmte binnenin wordt veroorzaakt door een zon die zij hebben (ja, binnen in deze planeet, je hoeft het niet te geloven, maar dat maakt het niet minder waar).
Oke, what the **** about zwaartekracht (gatorade) en de warmte die van binnen komt?
quote:Zie boven. ^
Of hebben ze daar warmte generatoren staan die ons warm moeten houden?
quote:Zie boven/boven. ^
Hoe komen ze aan zonlicht?
quote:Omdat de huidige middelen nog lang niet geschikt zijn om alles wat er is te kunnen scannen.
En waarom is er niemand op het idee gekomen om met zo`n ding (soort scanner) de aarde te doorscannen?
quote:Het is waar, aangezien verschillende mensen, door de jaren heen, verslagen hebben gemaakt, aan de hand van de reizen, welke zij gemaakt hebben naar Agartha. Deze mensen kennen elkaar niet eens, en het feit dat ze allemaal een gelijk verhaal vertellen, maakt het voor mij waar.
Veel holle ruimtes zou je dan tegen komen als dit sprookje waar was.
quote:Maar dan moeten die wezens wel tegen extreme hitte kunnen... Hoe moet ik me die ruimte in de aarde trouwens voorstellen? Een soort binnestebuiten gekeerde aarde met een zon in 't midden? Waar die wezens dan over 'de andere kant' van de aarde lopen (met de zon boven zich)? Of iets heel anders?
Op donderdag 18 oktober 2001 19:32 schreef Kyori het volgende:
Vergeet niet dat de aarde een immense doorsnede heeft, en dat het daardoor mogelijk is. De warmte binnenin wordt veroorzaakt door een zon die zij hebben (ja, binnen in deze planeet, je hoeft het niet te geloven, maar dat maakt het niet minder waar).
quote:Hoe zijn ze daar gekomen dan?
Het is waar, aangezien verschillende mensen, door de jaren heen, verslagen hebben gemaakt, aan de hand van de reizen, welke zij gemaakt hebben naar Agartha. Deze mensen kennen elkaar niet eens, en het feit dat ze allemaal een gelijk verhaal vertellen, maakt het voor mij waar.
Dat meerdere mensen die elkaar niet kennen hetzelfde zeggen hoeft op zich natuurlijk niks te zeggen. Verschillende mensen die ik niet ken zeggen dat de aarde niet hol is. Als ik dat nu ook zou zeggen, zou dat voor jou dus waarheid moeten zijn. Dat klopt niet echt...
quote:Er zijn ook allemaal mensen die zeggen dat ze aliens zien, en het monster van loch Ness... een verhal doet zich al snel de ronde. Zo ook met dit verhaal. Wil iemand een sensatie veroorzaken? Zoek iets leuks op op internet en ga erover lullen. Ben je bekend?! Beter! Dan gelooft iedereen je!
Op donderdag 18 oktober 2001 19:32 schreef Kyori het volgende:
Op donderdag 18 oktober 2001 19:14 schreef Blue-eagle het volgende:
[..]Dat is het fraaie aan meningen, die zijn niet bindend.
[..]Vergeet niet dat de aarde een immense doorsnede heeft, en dat het daardoor mogelijk is. De warmte binnenin wordt veroorzaakt door een zon die zij hebben (ja, binnen in deze planeet, je hoeft het niet te geloven, maar dat maakt het niet minder waar).
[..]Zie boven. ^
[..]Zie boven/boven. ^
[..]Omdat de huidige middelen nog lang niet geschikt zijn om alles wat er is te kunnen scannen.
[..]Het is waar, aangezien verschillende mensen, door de jaren heen, verslagen hebben gemaakt, aan de hand van de reizen, welke zij gemaakt hebben naar Agartha. Deze mensen kennen elkaar niet eens, en het feit dat ze allemaal een gelijk verhaal vertellen, maakt het voor mij waar.
En die zon in de aarde? Tja, een zon moet groot zijn om lang genoeg te branden. De doorsnede van onze aarde lijkt mij te klein om alles binnen te houden. Dan zou zelfs die zon in het midden moeten zweven (hoe) en de bewoners zouden het niet uit moeten kunnen houden van de warmte. Zelfs als je dan zegt dat ze in holen leven ofzoiets dergelijks, is het weer de vraag: ,hoe komen ze aan zonlicht'? in een bol is geen boven of onderkant. Of er moet een vierkante ruimte zijn, en dat kan weer niet -> waar laat je de zon dan?
En hoe is die zon er gekomen? En wat voed die zon? Vuur en lava moeten eraf druipen, de zon was zo`n 9000 graden celcius dacht ik? Dat overleef je niet op een afstand die de diameter van onze aarde heeft. En dan gaat er nog heel wat af.
Weet je hoe diep de mens in de aarde is geweest? Met natuurlijke grotten heel diep. Waarom verdrinken die lui hieronder niet? Hebben ze een stalen/betonnen wand gebouwd?
Een theorie is zo makkelijk te bedenken.
Zo makkelijk geloof ik niet. Geef mij eens wat meer overtuigend bewijs. Geloof me, ik ben erg gek. Dus misschien dat ik dit ook wel ga geloven.
ps. hoe zorg je dat je wordt meegenomen door die dingen hieronder de grond?
Ik heb begrip voor mensen die dit geloven, maar dit is toch wel erg krom.
quote:nou nou, zo zo.... de oude man heeft gesproken en ik vul hem aan met
Op vrijdag 19 oktober 2001 18:47 schreef Preddie het volgende:
hmmmmm, tja...., leuke theorie, maar dit klinkt bij mij hetzelfde als iemand mij zou moeten overtuigen dat de kerstman echt kan vliegen met herten.... en een slee.Ik heb begrip voor mensen die dit geloven, maar dit is toch wel erg krom.
"Die jeugd van tegenwoordig, dat doet maar en dat doet maar en dat doet maar!!!!!"
quote:De geloofwaardigheid van jou en YRABB wordt flink verslechterd voor jullie gedrag t.o.v mensen die er wat kritischer zijn.
Op vrijdag 19 oktober 2001 21:43 schreef hoogl298 het volgende:[..]
nou nou, zo zo.... de oude man heeft gesproken en ik vul hem aan met
"Die jeugd van tegenwoordig, dat doet maar en dat doet maar en dat doet maar!!!!!"
YRABB copy & paste alleen maar van sites, alsof hij een soort messenger is die mensen moet wakker schudden. Ik denk dat hij eerder een averechtse reactie teweeg brengt, waardoor nog meer mensen deze denkbeelden niet meer serieus nemen. Als een "messenger" iets wilt overbrengen, dient deze zelf wel wat geloofwaardigheid in zich te hebben. YRABB heeft deze geloofwaardigheid niet meer door alleen maar te copy & te pasten en als hij wat in zijn eigen woorden zegt is het een irrationele reactie die verder niets met het onderwerp zelf te maken heeft.
Ook van hoogl298 heb ik nog niet veel zinnigs kunnen lezen.
Dus mijn tip voor jullie is, als jullie theorien hebben die voor jullie zo vast staan als een huis en je die wilt delen met mensen, doe het dan ook met stijl. Tevens is dit forum een discussieforum, sta dus toe dat mensen hetgene wat jullie posten in twijfel zullen trekken.
Zo ik ben weer ff klaar.
quote:Als een messenger iets aan een groot publiek wil overbrengen mag hij de tekst denk ik wel eens wat inkorten/samenvatten. Vergeet niet dat 'de massa' op dit moment nog gevangen gehouden wordt door het duivelse kapitalistische 24 uurs economie monster (of is het een reptilian
Op zondag 21 oktober 2001 22:12 schreef STING het volgende:[..]
Als een "messenger" iets wilt overbrengen, dient deze zelf wel wat geloofwaardigheid in zich te hebben.
). Die gevangenen en slaven hebben natuurlijk geen tijd om al die lappen tekst en boeken te lezen. 
(vraag maar aan tara)
Ben het idd eens met inkorten van het verhaal; korte interessante stukken eruit vissen, naar de rest gewoon linken!
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Ik was een kind hoe kon ik weten - dat het voorgoed voorbij zou gaan...
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Gelukkig kun je dus ook zoeken op zoektermen.
Iets gevonden ook over Telios of zo,
zou de zon zijn binnen in de aarde ?.
Ik vind het een sterk verhaal, maar je weet maar nooit tegenwoordig in deze rubriek.
Wie weet het wel precies ? nou forum collega's mvt of paladin ,
ik ben
heel benieuwd naar jullie visie !
De holle aarde- theorie wordt besproken in het boek van Alec McLellan
"the Hollow Earth Enigma".Hierin staat ook een heel stuk over Raymond
Palmer en je ziet foto's van zowel de noord- als de zuidpool waarop je duidelijk
de openingen kunt zien staan.
quote:Wist je dat ik daar 2 maanden geleden heel erg mee bezig ben geweest, ik geloof het nog steeds niet echt, maar op die site van stewart swerdlow zeggen ze het ook al.
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 17:33 schreef Anemoon het volgende:
Hartstikke goed dat je deze weer eens naar boven hebt gebracht Malta.
De holle aarde- theorie wordt besproken in het boek van Alec McLellan
"the Hollow Earth Enigma".Hierin staat ook een heel stuk over Raymond
Palmer en je ziet foto's van zowel de noord- als de zuidpool waarop je duidelijk
de openingen kunt zien staan.
Heel griezelig toch ?
P.s. ik heb voor jouw pantoffeldiertje wat eten klaar liggen ! 
Of lust hij dat niet meer ?
(ps: ik geloof het hollow-earth enigma ook niet, maar sluit vooralsnog niets uit,
dat zou heel dom zijn! )
quote:Ja toch ?!
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 17:41 schreef Anemoon het volgende:
sorry hoor.....pantoffeldiertje???
Ik heb 2 maanden geleden iets teruggekregen van jouw pantoffel-diertje.
Weet je het niet meer.....
Kijk eens goed op je PC !
quote:Ja, MALTA ik heb ook al een tijdje de champagne klaar staan in de Vlaamse Societeit, kom 's langs!
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 17:38 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:[..]
Wist je dat ik daar 2 maanden geleden heel erg mee bezig ben geweest, ik geloof het nog steeds niet echt, maar op die site van stewart swerdlow zeggen ze het ook al.
Heel griezelig toch ?P.s. ik heb voor jouw pantoffeldiertje wat eten klaar liggen !
Of lust hij dat niet meer ?
Op maandag 5 april 2004 21:27 schreef Lorax het volgende:
Ik had die kop van SC wel willen zien toen MUUS 'm in z'n bek scheet
quote:aha, ow, dat bedoel je!!
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 17:45 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:[..]
Ja toch ?!
Ik heb 2 maanden geleden iets teruggekregen van jouw pantoffel-diertje.
Weet je het niet meer.....
Kijk eens goed op je PC !
Nu maar weer ff ontopic! Sorry Muus!!
Wat info over reptilians .. die zouden leven in de hole aarde toch ??
Some day you shall flee, Panted and weak - Master, Passion, Greed.
quote:Dat is het hem steeds met al die verhalen.
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 17:41 schreef Anemoon het volgende:
(ps: ik geloof het hollow-earth enigma ook niet, maar sluit vooralsnog niets uit,
dat zou heel dom zijn! )
Bij Stewart Swerdlow's site stond een verhaal met daarin getuigen m.b.t. Duitse vrachtvliegtuigen die naar het gat in de noordpool zouden vliegen met speciale transporten. 
Het verhaal geloof ik niet echt, terwijl ik Swerdlow nu juist uiterst serieus neem. 
Een dilemma ? Zullen wel meer zijn als ik hier.
quote:Is dat zo?
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 18:27 schreef Lord Dreamer het volgende:
informatie over "reptilians"Wat info over reptilians .. die zouden leven in de hole aarde toch ??
Ga je nu niet een beetje te hard van stapel hier?
Laat mij eerst maar eens goed zien OF er een sprake is van leefruimte binnen de aarde en op wat voor schaal...
Over die reptilians kunnen we daarna nog wel bomen!
quote:Dat kan toch zo zijn dat je het onbetrouwbaar vindt?
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 18:29 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:[..]
Dat is het hem steeds met al die verhalen.
Bij Stewart Swerdlow's site stond een verhaal met daarin getuigen m.b.t. Duitse vrachtvliegtuigen die naar het gat in de noordpool zouden vliegen met speciale transporten.
Het verhaal geloof ik niet echt, terwijl ik Swerdlow nu juist uiterst serieus neem.
Een dilemma ? Zullen wel meer zijn als ik hier.
Vaak moet je veel meer over een onderwerp lezen en onderzoeken, wil je het
enigszins begrijpen en wil de puzzel echt goed passen. Tot die tijd is het dan
gewoon "open gebied" waar je nog van alles over te weten kunt komen.
quote:De holle aarde kan ook een symbolische verwijzing betreffen naar ondergrondse bassisen, zoals hierover een interessant verslag is te vinden op;
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 18:32 schreef Anemoon het volgende:[..]
Is dat zo?
Ga je nu niet een beetje te hard van stapel hier?
Laat mij eerst maar eens goed zien OF er een sprake is van leefruimte binnen de aarde en op wat voor schaal...
Over die reptilians kunnen we daarna nog wel bomen!
www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r100699a.html
(zie ook de rest van de info op www.reptilianagenda.com)
zie ook op www.anomalous-images.com/text/files.html , en dan specifiek dit;
www.anomalous-images.com/text/CRIM010.TXT
www.anomalous-images.com/text/CRIM008.TXT
www.anomalous-images.com/text/CRIM007.TXT
quote:hmpf
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 15:31 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:
Tjee, ik wou net al een niewe topic hier over openen.
Gelukkig kun je dus ook zoeken op zoektermen.Iets gevonden ook over Telios of zo,
zou de zon zijn binnen in de aarde ?.Ik vind het een sterk verhaal, maar je weet maar nooit tegenwoordig in deze rubriek.
Wie weet het wel precies ? nou forum collega's mvt of paladin ,
ik ben
heel benieuwd naar jullie visie !
ik ben een W,F&T forumcollega.
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betreft ook de Old ones etc.. doe maar googlen enzo
Do not attempt to think or depression may occur, All sports broadcasts will proceed as normal
quote:DAs effe schrikken!!
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 19:35 schreef paladin het volgende:[..]
hmpf
ik ben een W,F&T forumcollega.
Alleen vraag ik me dan toch af waar we al die astronauten heenschieten en hoe gps dan toch nog kan werken en waarom we satalieten nodig hebben om de andere kant van de aarde te bereiken.
Sorry maar 4 getuigen verklaringen vind ik echt niet voldoende om mij een holle aarde te laten geloven.
quote:Ze hebben natuurlijk wel aan 'uitgangen' gedacht... Je mag zelf raden welke 2 het meest logisch zijn.
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 20:06 schreef Aardwetenschapper het volgende:
Nou ja wel handig als we in een holle aarde leven, geen last van meteoorieten enzo.
Alleen vraag ik me dan toch af waar we al die astronauten heenschieten en hoe gps dan toch nog kan werken en waarom we satalieten nodig hebben om de andere kant van de aarde te bereiken.
Sorry maar 4 getuigen verklaringen vind ik echt niet voldoende om mij een holle aarde te laten geloven.
quote:noord en/of zuidpool en vulkanen natuurlijk ...
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 20:53 schreef ParAlien het volgende:[..]
Ze hebben natuurlijk wel aan 'uitgangen' gedacht... Je mag zelf raden welke 2 het meest logisch zijn.
Some day you shall flee, Panted and weak - Master, Passion, Greed.
quote:Als je bedenkt dat Ix uit de boeken van Dune een super welvarende planeet is zal dat niet echt een probleem zijn. Daarnaast kan je zendstations aan het "dak" hangen
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 20:06 schreef Aardwetenschapper het volgende:
Nou ja wel handig als we in een holle aarde leven, geen last van meteoorieten enzo.
Alleen vraag ik me dan toch af waar we al die astronauten heenschieten en hoe gps dan toch nog kan werken en waarom we satalieten nodig hebben om de andere kant van de aarde te bereiken.
Sorry maar 4 getuigen verklaringen vind ik echt niet voldoende om mij een holle aarde te laten geloven.
quote:Dune is, hoe goed het boek ook zijn moge , fictie. Of nog beter zelfs, wetenschaps fictie.
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 23:58 schreef mvt het volgende:[..]
Als je bedenkt dat Ix uit de boeken van Dune een super welvarende planeet is zal dat niet echt een probleem zijn. Daarnaast kan je zendstations aan het "dak" hangen
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quote:Daar wrdt in de Jones verhalen ook nog op gezinspeeld. 1 van de doorgangen bevindt zich bijvoorbeeld in Hovenweep. En de bevolking van de Binnenwereld zijn indianen.
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 19:45 schreef Fonkmeistah het volgende:
De Hopi indianen hebben ook een soortgelijke legende danwel Prophecy
betreft ook de Old ones etc.. doe maar googlen enzo
quote:Als je het hele topic even door had gelezen zag je dat ik doelde op de eerder genoemde boeken in de Indiana Jones serie die gebaseerd zijn op dit gegeven. Indiana Jones en de Holle Aarde en Indiana Jones en de Binnenwereld
Op donderdag 5 december 2002 01:55 schreef Anemoon het volgende:
Wat zijn de "Jones-verhalen"?
Ik hier?
If it's free, you're the product!
waarbij de Gravitatieconstante redelijk constant is, m1 en m2 object 1 en 2 (aardbodem en persoon) zijn en r^2 de afstand in het kwadraat is (in meters) tussen de objecten. Een stuk massa onder je voeten oefent dus een grotere kracht uit op je dan een stuk dat aan de andere kant van de wereld (haha) hangt.
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quote:Ow! dát soort sprookjesverhalen...weet je waar deze commerciele onzinfilms worden gemaakt?
Op donderdag 5 december 2002 02:19 schreef TARAraboemdijee het volgende:[..]
Als je het hele topic even door had gelezen zag je dat ik doelde op de eerder genoemde boeken in de Indiana Jones serie die gebaseerd zijn op dit gegeven. Indiana Jones en de Holle Aarde en Indiana Jones en de Binnenwereld
Ps: is dat het enige wat je over de hollow earth te melden hebt? Heb je je buiten
de hollywood-doctrine-movies ook nog in andere boeken hierover verdiept?
quote:De boeken staan behalve de hoofdpersoon aardig los van de films en ik heb gemerkt dat sommige schrijvers voor hun verhalen (die inderdaad fictie zijn) veel gebruik maken van bestaande legendes en dit ook goed verwerken in het verhaal. In sommige edities van enkele boeken staat achterin ook nog bijgevoegde uitleg over het gegeven gebruikt in het boek.
Op donderdag 5 december 2002 17:18 schreef Anemoon het volgende:[..]
Ow! dát soort sprookjesverhalen...weet je waar deze commerciele onzinfilms worden gemaakt?
Ps: is dat het enige wat je over de hollow earth te melden hebt? Heb je je buiten
de hollywood-doctrine-movies ook nog in andere boeken hierover verdiept?
En voor zover ik weet bestaat er geen film over een holle aarde hoor, behalve dan misschien een oude verfilming van dat boek van Jules Vernes (journey to the center of the earth oid?)
quote:Des te beter kunnen we je dus hier ook welkom heten.
Op woensdag 4 december 2002 19:35 schreef paladin het volgende:[..]
hmpf
ik ben een W,F&T forumcollega.
In de 18e eeuw waren ook al enkele wetenschappers met een visie op de holle aarde met een interne zon. 
quote:Ja en jij bent er een van zo te merken. Duh..
Op donderdag 12 december 2002 23:32 schreef delapoko het volgende:
Bestaan er ook mensen met een hol hoofd? Volgens mij zit er genoeg mensen hier met dat syndroom.
quote:Hey het hoeft niet negatief te zijn hoor.
Op donderdag 12 december 2002 23:34 schreef Riva het volgende:[..]
Ja en jij bent er een van zo te merken. Duh..
Of voel je je aangesproken?
quote:Of we zijn zelf hol en er wonen wezentjes in ons
Op vrijdag 13 december 2002 00:00 schreef mvt het volgende:
Even een hele wilde gedachtte, stel dat WIJ nou eens in die holle aarde zouden wonen?? (even denkend aan bijvoorbeeld The Truman Show).
quote:Ja, en die wezentjes zijn dan ook weer hol en in die wezentjes wonen nog kleinere wezentjes
Op vrijdag 13 december 2002 00:32 schreef delapoko het volgende:[..]
Of we zijn zelf hol en er wonen wezentjes in ons
quote:idd, je zou wel eens gelijk kunnen hebben:
Op vrijdag 13 december 2002 12:31 schreef NgInE het volgende:[..]
Ja, en die wezentjes zijn dan ook weer hol en in die wezentjes wonen nog kleinere wezentjes
Cellen, celkernen, moleculen, atomen, quarks etc etc.
quote:In principe heb je gelijk aangezien de meest gangbare theorie van de oorsprong van de Mitochondrien is dat ten tijde van het ontstaan zuurstof in de atmosfeer de voorlopers van o.a. de menselijke cellen een ander type cel (bacterie als ik het goed heb) opgenomen had. Door deze opname kreeg de cel beschikking over een efficiente verbrandingsoven die gebruik kan maken van zuurstof om de verbranding compleet te maken.
Op vrijdag 13 december 2002 17:11 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:[..]
idd, je zou wel eens gelijk kunnen hebben:
Cellen, celkernen, moleculen, atomen, quarks etc etc.
Oja, voor deze theorie heeft als het goed is ooit een Belg de Nobelprijs mee gewonnen.
Aardbevingen en vulkaanuitbarstingen a.g.v. magnetisme i.p.v. grote magma-stromingen.
quote:gelezen. Erg interesaante gedachtenkronkel. Echter snap ik niet dat zoiets een patent krijgt. Aan de andere kant, er zijn een hele hoop patenten over de grootst mogelijke onzin.
Op zondag 12 januari 2003 22:26 schreef PHETEP het volgende:
United States Patent 1096102: De Holle Aarde Theorie....
Punt 1: hoe kom je in godsnaam door die bakken magma heen die hieronder zitten??
Punt 2: hoe komt daar genoeg zuurstof binnen??
Punt 3: zonlicht hebben we dat niet meer nodig??
enzo kan ik nog wel even doorgaan.
quote:Magma ok, maar hoeveel ? waarom "bakken" ?
Op maandag 13 januari 2003 12:01 schreef Dezz het volgende:
Het lijkt mij een beetje onwaarschijnlijk allemaal.Punt 1: hoe kom je in godsnaam door die bakken magma heen die hieronder zitten??
quote:Lijkt mij het minste belangrijk
Punt 2: hoe komt daar genoeg zuurstof binnen??
quote:Binnen in de aarde zou zich een zon bevinden.
Punt 3: zonlicht hebben we dat niet meer nodig??
quote:Ik ook hoor.
enzo kan ik nog wel even doorgaan.
quote:ja hallo..
Op maandag 20 januari 2003 21:14 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:[..]
Magma ok, maar hoeveel ? waarom "bakken" ?
[..]Lijkt mij het minste belangrijk
[..]Binnen in de aarde zou zich een zon bevinden.
[..]Ik ook hoor.
zo kan ik ook alles weerleggen.
Magma....dat zit er veel...geloof mij maar...
Zuurstof....lijkt mij het meest belangrijk.. ( duh? )
Een zon IN de aarde?...Dus, er zit een zonnetje midden in de aarde..en die verwarmt alles wat er omheen zit? En waarom vallen die mensen dan niet op de zon? waar lopen ze op?
En zo kan ik ook nog wel effe doorgaan....
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maar dit gaat HEEL erg ver...je moet wel de kaf van het koren scheiden bij je onderzoeken.
verder veel succes toegewenst 
quote:Waarom wallen wij niet naar de zon?
Op dinsdag 21 januari 2003 00:51 schreef wogoheid het volgende:[..]
ja hallo..
zo kan ik ook alles weerleggen.Magma....dat zit er veel...geloof mij maar...
Zuurstof....lijkt mij het meest belangrijk.. ( duh?
Een zon IN de aarde?...Dus, er zit een zonnetje midden in de aarde..en die verwarmt alles wat er omheen zit? En waarom vallen die mensen dan niet op de zon? waar lopen ze op?En zo kan ik ook nog wel effe doorgaan....
. En zuurstof kan er zijn, net zoals het hier is. Niet dat ik geloof dat de Aarde hol is, of de mensen die dat wel denken als geestelijk 100% ervaar, maar er zijn veel verklaringen.
1 kernfysicus
quote:idd ik heb nog geen tegenstrijdigheden kunnen ontdekken.
Op dinsdag 21 januari 2003 13:57 schreef tvlxd het volgende:[..]
Waarom wallen wij niet naar de zon?
Daarom sluit ik niets uit w.b.t. de holle Aarde.
Allereerst:
1:
Zwaartekracht.
Indien je uitgaat van een holle aarde dan moet de aardschaal een enorme sterkte hebben, aangezien al die massa naar het meest laag-energetische punt, oftewel het midden willen.
2a:
Zon : Pas bij massa's gas ver boven jupiter (10^35? zoiets?)
vindt kernfusie plaats op een manier die zichzelf in stand gaat houden.
2b: brandstof : zelfs indien deze 'zon' zou bestaan (zie 2a: dan zou deze binnen zeer korte tijd zijn uitgebrand door de kleine hoeveelheid brandstof.
2c: Bij fusie onstaat er nog steeds straling, die zou een 'holle' aarde heel mooi steriel maken.
2d: Bij een fusie ontstaan ook neutrino's. Die kun je, zij het met veel moeite, meten. Tot nu toe valt de neutrino-count op aarde zelfs tegen, vergeleken met de verwachtingen.
3: Atmosfeer: indien er een holle aarde was, dan zou de atmosfeer binnenin ongeveer geioniseerd zijn door de hitte van de 'zon' daarbinnen.
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quote:Het door Phetep aangehaalde patent zegt dat bij planeetvorming er geen complete samenklontering rond de kern plaatsvind, maar dat het rond een schil samenklonterd (als ik het goed gelezen/herrinnerd heb. Betekend dat in principe alle hemellichamen hol zijn.
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 07:49 schreef Enneacanthus_Obesus het volgende:
En hoe zou een holle aarde kunnen zijn ontstaan? Het lijkt me sterk dat dat op een natuurlijke manier gebeurd. Straks gaan we nog geloven dat de aarde kunstmatig gemaakt is, door ruimtewezentjes..
quote:Interessante gedachte! Maar zou dat niet betekenen dat de theoriëen over massa en aantrekkingskracht niet zouden kloppen?
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 10:26 schreef mvt het volgende:[..]
Het door Phetep aangehaalde patent zegt dat bij planeetvorming er geen complete samenklontering rond de kern plaatsvind, maar dat het rond een schil samenklonterd (als ik het goed gelezen/herrinnerd heb. Betekend dat in principe alle hemellichamen hol zijn.
quote:Als de dichtheid hoger zou liggen van wat we nu vermoeden, dan klopt het wel. Verder, als alle massieve hemellichamen hol zijn dan kom je weer redelijk uit. Maar dat alles zou betekenen dat een hele hoop kennis niet klopt.
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 10:34 schreef Enneacanthus_Obesus het volgende:[..]
Interessante gedachte! Maar zou dat niet betekenen dat de theoriëen over massa en aantrekkingskracht niet zouden kloppen?
Neem saturnus, jupiter, of een van die dingen.
En leg desnoods er een zon naast.
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quote:Ik zeg al : massieve hemellichamen
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 11:41 schreef paladin het volgende:
Een willekeurige gasplaneet lijkt me voldoende om dit vermoeden onderuit te halen.
Neem saturnus, jupiter, of een van die dingen.
En leg desnoods er een zon naast.
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quote:Volgens dat patent is door de centrifugaalkracht de materie niet verder samengeklonterd. Al Bij de polen is er geencentrifugaalkracht en is er geen kracht die de zwaartekracht stopt. Daarom is de aarde geen perfecte bol (even snel uitgelegd).
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 20:10 schreef paladin het volgende:
Ja, maar die zijn dus niet solide en kunnen dus geen 'korst' hebben die de theorie van een holle vorm aannemelijk maken. Dat gas gaat gewoon naar het zwaartekrachtsmiddelpunt, en al was de planeet hol, dan was dat nog steeds het midden, zodat hij niet lang daarna weer gewoon bol is.
Doordat de materie door de centrifugaalkracht is tegengehouden, is er nog een ruimte over. Maar rond de aardkern is de centrifugaalkracht weer heel laag, dus is er een massieve kern, met daaromheen een lege ruimte met een schil die op zijn plaats word gehouden door centrifugaalkracht en zwaartekracht.
mijn conclusie :
Dit zou betekenen dat bij een verandering van de aardrotatie de aarde kleiner/groter wordt en eventueel in elkaar kan klappen/kan breken
quote:Is er nog meer te vertellen over de planeet Jupiter ?
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 11:41 schreef paladin het volgende:
Een willekeurige gasplaneet lijkt me voldoende om dit vermoeden onderuit te halen.
Neem saturnus, jupiter, of een van die dingen.
En leg desnoods er een zon naast.
quote:Die dichtheid moet dan heel behoorlijk zijn.. Hebben we een laag diamant of neutronium oid. op een paar kilometer diepte?
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 10:48 schreef mvt het volgende:[..]
Als de dichtheid hoger zou liggen van wat we nu vermoeden, dan klopt het wel. Verder, als alle massieve hemellichamen hol zijn dan kom je weer redelijk uit. Maar dat alles zou betekenen dat een hele hoop kennis niet klopt.
quote:Of lood. Maar je ziet al : Als.
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:07 schreef Enneacanthus_Obesus het volgende:[..]
Die dichtheid moet dan heel behoorlijk zijn.. Hebben we een laag diamant of neutronium oid. op een paar kilometer diepte?
Let's see...
Maximale valversnelling: +/- 9,81 (m/s2)
Maximale centrifugale versnelling: +/- 0,3 (m/s2)
De middelpuntvliedende kracht zal de zwaartekracht niet al te veel tegenwerken... Niet genoeg om de aarde hol te maken, zou ik denken.
[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Phooka op 23-01-2003 21:43]
quote:Yeah! Neutronium! Dat zou wel stoer zijn, eigenlijk... Uhhh... Het zou er aan de andere kant ook voor zorgen dat de aarde ten onder gaat in een nova-explosie! [hmm... die holle aarde is wel nonsens...
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:07 schreef Enneacanthus_Obesus het volgende:[..]
Die dichtheid moet dan heel behoorlijk zijn.. Hebben we een laag diamant of neutronium oid. op een paar kilometer diepte?
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quote:Misschien juist NIET !
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:05 schreef Enneacanthus_Obesus het volgende:...................Met bv. een gigantisch magnetisch veld..
Maar dat is een beetje offtopic.
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quote:Versnelling is in m/s2
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:15 schreef Phooka het volgende:
Maximale valversnelling: +/- 9,81 (m/s)
Maximale centrifugale versnelling: +/- 0,3 (m/s)
(pas ook ff de quote aan)
[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door mvt op 23-01-2003 21:43]
quote:hey! da's wel een goed idee! ik zat al te denken: ergens klopt iets niet...
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:39 schreef mvt het volgende:[..]
Versnelling is in m/s2
ik zal 't nog effe aanpassen, I think.Maar goed! Dat terzijde! De centrifugale versnelling is veel te klein om de zwaartekracht tegen te werken.
[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Phooka op 23-01-2003 21:45]
quote:Bedoel je dat je binnen een magnetisch veld je het veld locaal kan neutraliseren??
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:45 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:
bestaat er zoiets als een kooi van Faraday voor het gravitatie-veld ?
quote:Nou, binnen een bolschil zou in ieder geval geen zwaartekrachtveld zijn dat door die bolschil wordt opgewekt. De eventuele bewoners zouden dus maar erg weinig zwaartekracht voelen. (max. 0,3 (N/kg))
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:45 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:
bestaat er zoiets als een kooi van Faraday voor het gravitatie-veld ?
quote:Niet direct: ik bedoel:
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:46 schreef mvt het volgende:[..]
Bedoel je dat je binnen een magnetisch veld je het veld locaal kan neutraliseren??
Stel de aarde is hol. Als je aan de binnenste schil zit;
wat is dan de effectieve zwaartekracht
(de veronderstelde interne zon meegenomen)
quote:Hm! Dan zouden de bewoners richting de interne zon worden getrokken... Gravity sucks!
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:49 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:[..]
Niet direct: ik bedoel:
Stel de aarde is hol. Als je aan de binnenste schil zit;
wat is dan de effectieve zwaartekracht
(de veronderstelde interne zon meegenomen)
quote:Hangt dat niet af van de dikte van de schil ? de massa van de schil en de massa van de interne zon ?
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:52 schreef Phooka het volgende:[..]
Hm! Dan zouden de bewoners richting de interne zon worden getrokken... Gravity sucks!
quote:Nee, de zwaartekracht van de schil heeft geen invloed binnen de schil. De bewoner voelt alleen de middelpuntvliedende kracht en de zwaartekracht van de zon.
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:54 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:[..]
Hangt dat niet af van de dikte van de schil ? de massa van de schil en de massa van de interne zon ?
quote:Als je uitgaat van een schil met een hoge dichtheid, dan is de zwaartekracht aan de binnenkant van die schil hetzelfde ..Daar worden voorwerpen immers in dezelfde mate naar die schil toegetrokken..
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:49 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:[..]
Niet direct: ik bedoel:
Stel de aarde is hol. Als je aan de binnenste schil zit;
wat is dan de effectieve zwaartekracht
(de veronderstelde interne zon meegenomen)
Voorwerpen zijn zelfs nog iets zwaarder omdat de centrifugaalkracht erbij komt. In het midden zou de zwaartekracht nihil moeten zijn.
Ik geloof totaal niet in een holle aarde.. Maar het is leuk om erover te fantaseren. Een horizon die omhoog loopt lijkt me ook best cool
quote:In principe hangt dat er wel mee samen, maar de invloed ervan hangt af van de verhouding zwaartekracht schil vs kern.
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:58 schreef Phooka het volgende:[..]
Nee, de zwaartekracht van de schil heeft geen invloed binnen de schil. De bewoner voelt alleen de middelpuntvliedende kracht en de zwaartekracht van de zon.
Maar, de schil zou in evenwicht gehouden worden met de Fmpv en de Fz,kern Daar zouden de krachten 0 zijn. Als je dus iets dichter bij de kern zit, dan wordt Fmpv kleiner en wordt je richting kern getrokken.
quote:Goed. Dus. Voor de zwaartekrachtspotentiaal van een bolschil geldt volgens Wolfram:
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 22:12 schreef mvt het volgende:[..]
In principe hangt dat er wel mee samen, maar de invloed ervan hangt af van de verhouding zwaartekracht schil vs kern.
Maar, de schil zou in evenwicht gehouden worden met de Fmpv en de Fz,kern Daar zouden de krachten 0 zijn. Als je dus iets dichter bij de kern zit, dan wordt Fmpv kleiner en wordt je richting kern getrokken.
Met a de binnenstraal en b de buitenstraal van de bol en R de plaats van het observatiepunt - de onafhankelijke variable. Om de zwaartekracht te berekenen loodrecht op de bolschil moet de potentiaal afgeleid worden naar de onafhankelijke variabele R. De interessante gevallen zijn R>b, dus buiten de bolschil en R<a, binnen de bolschil.
Buiten de schil ontstaat de normale zwaartekracht die afneemt met het kwadraat van de afstand. Binnen de bol is de zwaartekrachtspotentiaal constant en onafhankelijk van R. Dat betekent dat de afgeleide naar R 0 wordt en er dus geen zwaartekracht binnen de bol heerst.
Ongeveer hetzelfde staat op de site van JC physics:
"However, it is a little known fact that the gravitational force inside a spherical shell (part B) is zero"
Je merkt alleen de middelpuntvliedende kracht en die is relatief klein in vergelijking met de zwaartekracht.
quote:Ik ben er relatief zeker van, ja. Ik heb al m'n vakken die erover gaan met een royale voldoende gehaald. Die websites zijn inderdaad redelijk goed, geloof ik - ik heb er nog nooit een écht grote fout in kunnen ontdekken.
Op zondag 26 januari 2003 18:38 schreef Enneacanthus_Obesus het volgende:
Weet je zeker dat je het goed begrepen hebt? Die website lijkt me een serieuze bron.. Maar het zou dus betekenen dat we allemaal kunnen zweven als we een bol om de aarde heen zouden bouwen..
Maar, ik heb het nog niet goed uitgelegd
De bolschil zélf zou geen zwaartekracht uitoefenen binnen de bolschil, maar een object dat zich binnen de bolschil bevindt zou weer wél een zwaartekracht genereren binnen de bolschil.
Als je dus een bol om de aarde heen zou bouwen, zou je nog steeds naar de aarde toe vallen. - Helaas, overigens, want gewichteloosheid is geweldig!
)Dit is misschien trouwens een aardig zijspoor: www.minigrail.nl
De Leidse universiteit heeft een gravitatiegolvenmeter gebouwd. Het lijkt erop dat het ding nog werkt ook..
quote:Wel, de wiskundige uitleg is in feite de formule die staat in m'n post. Het is een theoretische voorspelling vanuit de theorie van Newton (wiskundig verder uitgewerkt) en de rest van de voorspellingen die die theorie doen kloppen verbazingwekkend goed met de werkelijkheid - bv. de beweging van planeten of zwaartekrachtsmetingen in een diepe put.
Op dinsdag 28 januari 2003 01:20 schreef Enneacanthus_Obesus het volgende:
Hoe komt het dan dat de schil geen zwaartekracht uitoefent op de voorwerpen daarbinnen? En hoe weet men dat? (Tja, één gek kan meer vragen dan zeven wijzen kunnen beantwoorden, luidt een oud gezegde.Dit is misschien trouwens een aardig zijspoor: www.minigrail.nl
De Leidse universiteit heeft een gravitatiegolvenmeter gebouwd. Het lijkt erop dat het ding nog werkt ook..
Gevoelsmatig kan je bijvoorbeeld zo denken: als je binnenin de schil zit en je staat op de schil, dan ben je dichtbij heel weinig massa en vrij ver weg van heel veel massa - en de zwaartekracht van al die massa's wordt precies door elkaar in evenwicht gehouden.
Hee, da's wel grappig, die Leidse sensor! Ik las van de week ook al eens over zo'n sensor voor zwaartekrachtsgolven van de universiteit Twente - "Geen rimpeling in het heelal ontgaat supergeleidende sensor"
Het lijkt erop dat die dingen eindelijk gevoelig genoeg worden om ze te gaan opmerken.
]'Gevoelsmatig kan je bijvoorbeeld zo denken: als je binnenin de schil zit en je staat op de schil, dan ben je dichtbij heel weinig massa en vrij ver weg van heel veel massa - en de zwaartekracht van al die massa's wordt precies door elkaar in evenwicht gehouden.'
Dat volg ik ook nog, maar dat geldt toch ook voor iemand aan de buitenkant van de bol?
Als je naar het centrum van de aarde gaat, gaat de zwaartekracht lineair naar 0, maar dat komt doordat er minder massa onder het object in de put zit in plaats van meer massa erboven.
quote:Wel, als iemand zich aan de buitenkant van de bol bevindt, zit alle massa aan 1 kant van die persoon. Bij een bolschil zit de massa voor een deel aan de ene kant en voor een ander deel aan de andere kant.
Dat volg ik ook nog, maar dat geldt toch ook voor iemand aan de buitenkant van de bol?
noot: met "lichter" bedoel ik hier het gewicht en niet de massa...
quote:Heel mooi.
Op woensdag 29 januari 2003 12:38 schreef Phooka het volgende:
Oh, maar het klopt ook wel dat een voorwerp in een put lichter wordt:
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Als je naar het centrum van de aarde gaat, gaat de zwaartekracht lineair naar 0, maar dat komt doordat er minder massa onder het object in de put zit in plaats van meer massa erboven.
[..]Wel, als iemand zich aan de buitenkant van de bol bevindt, zit alle massa aan 1 kant van die persoon. Bij een bolschil zit de massa voor een deel aan de ene kant en voor een ander deel aan de andere kant.noot: met "lichter" bedoel ik hier het gewicht en niet de massa...
Is het mogelijk een dergelijke grafiek te maken bij een holle aarde ?
Hoe ziet de grafiek er uit aan de binnenkant van de schil ? tot aan het middelpunt van de holle bol ?
Uitgaande van een homogene interne zon en een homogene dichtheid in de schil van zeg 1000 km dikte.
quote:Yep! Da's mogelijk - ik heb helaas geen scanner paraat en wat weinig webruimte, dus ik zal het even in woorden proberen:
Op donderdag 30 januari 2003 12:12 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:Heel mooi.
Is het mogelijk een dergelijke grafiek te maken bij een holle aarde ?
Hoe ziet de grafiek er uit aan de binnenkant van de schil ? tot aan het middelpunt van de holle bol ?
Uitgaande van een homogene interne zon en een homogene dichtheid in de schil van zeg 1000 km dikte.
Voor het gedeelte vanaf de interne zon totaan de bolschil geldt de grafiek zoals die in m'n eerdere post staat. Binnen de bolschil stijgt de zwaartekracht weer. Dat wil zeggen, je telt nu twee grafieken bij elkaar op: 1 oorspronkelijke grafiek en 1 grafiek met de oorsprong zo verschoven dat de straal overeenkomt met de binnenstraal van de bolschil.
De nieuwe grafiek is nu overal positief en heeft twee pieken: 1 aan de rand van de interne zon en 1 aan de buitenkant van de bolschil. Omdat de nieuwe grafiek overal positief is, wijst de zwaartekracht overal richting het middelpunt van de interne zon.
Oh ja - in de eerste grafiek gingen de makers al uit van een constante dichtheid.
Maar, je vraag lijkt eerder aan te geven dat je niet wil geloven dat de aarde daadwerkelijk geheel gevuld is. Men kan bijvoorbeeld door aardbevingen te bestuderen een model maken waaruit de interne structuur van de aarde blijkt, namelijk:
Zo zijn er wel meer indirecte bewijzen dat de aarde hoogst waarschijnlijk in zijn geheel gevuld is.
The mountains of India and Tibet have long been associated with underground tunnels and cities reputedly created and inhabited by the serpent gods. According to the sacred tradition of the Hindus, in the Himalayas there are extensive caves and underground tunnels attributed to the legendary Nagas; THE SERPENT PEOPLE. Tradition states that they could fly around in magical machines. The underground cities were lit by magical "stones", and here the Nagas guarded fabulous treasures.
Andrew Tomas relates in his book ''On the shores of Endless Worlds'', that in his travels to the Himalayas, he had met with learned people who referred to underground crypts protected with ''artificial fire''. He relates of a visit to a holy man, a Sadhu, who described a place called Naggar in the western Himalayas, a city which reportedly was the kingdom of the Nagas.
The mythology of India is rich with references to underground tunnels and cities. The Hindu classic '' Vishnu-Purana'' for example, speaks of Patala, the capital of the Nagas, where the SNAKE-gods wandered about decorated with brilliant jewels and protected a vast trove of treasure and a library of lost lore about the antediluvian days.
Helena Blavatsky, the famous Theosophist, spent three years in Tibet and Sikkim where she compiled together a large amount of Sanskrit writing called the ''Book of Dzyan''. She reported stories of subterranean caverns with concealed entrances containing treasures and artifacts of the ancient SKY GODS. She described a land that was honeycombed with passages, with miles of tunnels, and secret chambers of all sizes.
Blavatsky described the Nagas or Sarpa which guarded the underground cities as semi-divine beings with a human face and the tail of a dragon. She equated the Sarpa, which means SERPENT, with the SERAPHIM of the Old Testament and in particular, that of Moses. The ''Book of Dzyan'' reveals that an ancient race of serpent men descended to Earth and founded the Fifth Race on Earth which gave birth to the present one.
The Sanskrit literature of India is replete with the struggle in the air between the Nagas and other ancient peoples. These accounts mention a city of the serpents called Bhagavata. It is an underground civilization, the abode of the serpent people...........
uit: "Flying Serpents and Dragons - The story of Mankind's Reptilian past" van R.A. BOULAY
[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door PHETEP op 02-02-2003 18:29]
quote:Ja, maar waar blijft die gravitatie-grafiek dan (x/y-plaatje) die ik bedoel als de aarde hol is volgens de topic-opener ?
Op vrijdag 31 januari 2003 19:09 schreef Phooka het volgende:[..]
Yep! Da's mogelijk - ik heb helaas geen scanner paraat en wat weinig webruimte, dus ik zal het even in woorden proberen:
Voor het gedeelte vanaf de interne zon totaan de bolschil geldt de grafiek zoals die in m'n eerdere post staat. Binnen de bolschil stijgt de zwaartekracht weer. Dat wil zeggen, je telt nu twee grafieken bij elkaar op: 1 oorspronkelijke grafiek en 1 grafiek met de oorsprong zo verschoven dat de straal overeenkomt met de binnenstraal van de bolschil.
De nieuwe grafiek is nu overal positief en heeft twee pieken: 1 aan de rand van de interne zon en 1 aan de buitenkant van de bolschil. Omdat de nieuwe grafiek overal positief is, wijst de zwaartekracht overal richting het middelpunt van de interne zon.Oh ja - in de eerste grafiek gingen de makers al uit van een constante dichtheid.
Maar, je vraag lijkt eerder aan te geven dat je niet wil geloven dat de aarde daadwerkelijk geheel gevuld is. Men kan bijvoorbeeld door aardbevingen te bestuderen een model maken waaruit de interne structuur van de aarde blijkt, namelijk:
[afbeelding]
Zo zijn er wel meer indirecte bewijzen dat de aarde hoogst waarschijnlijk in zijn geheel gevuld is.
toch is het zeker interessant. niet als mathematische uitwerking; want waarom zou je dat doen? wat wordt ons leven beter als we van de holheid uitgaan?
maar wel als je er wat anders tegen aan gaat kijken. kenmerk van een bol is dat die dingen afsluit. een besloten systeem, waarvan alleen de buitenkant zichtbaar is, en de binnenkant verbergt.
bij een hol systeem is dat anders; daar is IEDER deeltje per definitie van buitenaf benaderbaar en zichtbaar.
mensen die dus bang zijn voor verborgen zaken, pathologisch bang dan wel, hebben er dus een belang bij om een holheid te veronderstellen.
dit komt terug in de kunst, in dromen van kinderen, analyses van hallucinaties etc.
de grondvorm waarin je dingen ziet, wortd bepaald door allerlei zaken. wiskunde en rationaliteit is als systeem uiterst flexibel, en kan alles onmvormen tot een andere interpretatie. zolang de verbindingen tussen de diverse rationeel vastgestelde feitjes maar overeind blijft
quote:Welk boek ? Waarom holle breinen meer op hun plaats ?
Op zaterdag 1 maart 2003 13:00 schreef iteejer het volgende:
ik heb er ooit eens een boek over gelezen. mijn eerste indruk was dat een boek over holle breinen wellicht meer op zijn plaats zou zijn.
quote:Geen uitgaan/uitgangspunt. Ik zoek de Truth.
toch is het zeker interessant. niet als mathematische uitwerking; want waarom zou je dat doen? wat wordt ons leven beter als we van de holheid uitgaan?
quote:1e indruk, ja.
maar wel als je er wat anders tegen aan gaat kijken. kenmerk van een bol is dat die dingen afsluit. een besloten systeem, waarvan alleen de buitenkant zichtbaar is, en de binnenkant verbergt.
quote:Alleen als die van glas/doorzichtbaar/de schil doordringbaar is.
bij een hol systeem is dat anders; daar is IEDER deeltje per definitie van buitenaf benaderbaar en zichtbaar.
quote:Ik ben niet bang. Ik heb geen belang bij de holheid.
mensen die dus bang zijn voor verborgen zaken, pathologisch bang dan wel, hebben er dus een belang bij om een holheid te veronderstellen.
Ik sta wel open voor deze veronderstelling van holle aarde.
quote:Of in natuurkundige analyses.
dit komt terug in de kunst, in dromen van kinderen, analyses van
hallucinaties etc.
quote:Wiskunde is niet flexibel. Wiskunde is er of het is er niet.
de grondvorm waarin je dingen ziet, wortd bepaald door allerlei zaken. wiskunde en rationaliteit is als systeem uiterst flexibel, en kan alles onmvormen tot een andere interpretatie. zolang de verbindingen tussen de diverse rationeel vastgestelde feitjes maar overeind blijft
Ik kan niet ontkennen dat de media heel goed zijn in het omvormen van interpretaties.
de Hyperborea Kaart
Ultima Thule
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Styx (River)
by Michael Dawson
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The river of which many know its name, without knowing its origin or what it really stood for. A river that separates the world of the living from the world of the dead. Styx it is said winds around Hades (hell or the underworld are other names) nine times. Its name comes from the Greek word stugein which means hate, Styx, the river of hate. This river was so respected by the gods of Greek mythology that they would take life binding oaths just by mentioning its name, as referenced in the story of Bacchus-Ariadne, where Jove "confirms it with the irrevocable oath, attesting the river Styx."
There are five rivers that separate Hades from the world of the living, they are:
Acheron - the river of woe;
Cocytus - the river of lamentation;
Phlegethon - the river of fire;
Lethe - the river of forgetfulness;
Styx - the river of hate.
It is thought that Charon, the old ferry man who ferries the dead onto the underworld, crosses the river Styx where the dragon tailed dog Cerberus guards, allowing all souls to enter but none to leave. This is a misconception, Charon crosses the river Acheron where also Cerebus stands his eternal guard. Also while on this subject, Charon only takes the souls across that are buried properly with a coin (called an obol) that was placed in their mouths upon burial.
If a god gave his oath upon the river Styx and failed to keep his word, Zeus forced that god to drink from the river itself. The water is said to be so foul that the god would lose his/her voice for nine years. The river is not the subject of any story itself but is mentioned in several. These little pieces give a wonderful view of not only the river but the ancient Greeks view of the underworld. From its Adamantine gates to its separate levels of Tartarus and Erebus onto the Elysian fields.
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Cerberus
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In Greek mythology, the three-headed watchdog who guards the entrance to the lower world, the Hades. It is a child of the giant Typhon and Echidna, a monstrous creature herself, being half woman and half snake.
Originally, the dog was portrayed having fifty or hundred heads but was later pictured with only three heads (and sometimes with the tail of a serpent). Cerberus permitted new spirits to enter the realm of dead, but allowed none of them to leave. Only a few ever managed to sneak past the creature, among which Orpheus, who lulled it to sleep by playing his lyre, and Heracles, who brought it to the land of the living for a while (being the last of his Twelve Labors).
In Roman mythology, the Trojan prince Aeneas and Psyche were able to pacify it with honey cake. (See also: Garm.)
quote:Heel mooi, dat geeft weer te denken !
Op zaterdag 1 maart 2003 20:08 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
[afbeelding]de Hyperborea Kaart
Ultima Thule
Betrachtet man das Thema um die Hohle Erde etwas länger kommt man früher oder später auf das 3. Reich oder vielmehr auf die Geheimgesellschaften welche die Macht zu dieser Zeit besaßen. Gerade beim Thema Geheimgesellschaften und ihre Macht während des 3. Reiches stößt man immer wieder auf zwei Persönlichkeiten. Da wäre zum einen Freiherr Rudolf von Sebottendorf und zum anderen Karl Haushofer.
Im April 1898 verließ Adam Alfred Rudolf Glauer (bürgerlicher Name) Deutschland um nach Australien, Ägypten und später in die Türkei zu reisen. Der spätere Theosoph, Rosenkreuzer, Freimaurer und Freiherr von Sebottendorf hielt sich zu dem Zeitpunkt in Kairo auf, als der spätere Stellvertreter Hitlers, Rudolf Hess noch in Kairo zur Schule ging. Wurden hier vielleicht schon Verbindungen zueinander geknüpft? Zwischen 1900 und 1913 hat sich Glauer in Ägypten und der Türkei aufgehalten, wo er in Kontakt mit den einflußreichen Orden der Bektaschi-Derwische kam. Von ihnen wurde Glauer in okkulte Lehren eingeführt. Viele seiner Lebensjahre liegen immer noch im Dunkeln. Er hieß Rudolf Glauer, bevor er in der Türkei von dem Rosenkreuzer und Baron Freiherrn Heinrich von Sebottendorf, kurz vor seinem erneuten Auftauchen in Deutschland adoptiert und mit beträchtlichen Geldmitteln versehen wurde. Irgendwann 1917 kam er als türkischer Staatsangehöriger nach Deutschland zurück. Um deutschem Recht zu genügen, wurde die Adoption 1914 in Wiesbaden von einem Siegmund von Sebottendorf von der Rose wiederholt. Am Tag nach der deutschen Kapitulation, beging Sebottendorf (Glauer) angeblich Selbstmord im Bosporus.
Karl Haushofer wurde 1869 geboren. Haushofer war eine jener Gestalten, die zu den wesentlichen Bindegliedern zwischen den okkult-esoterischen Bewegungen der Jahrhundertwende und dem 3. Reich gehören. Als Geograph unternahm er um die Jahrhundertwende zahlreiche Reisen nach Indien und in den Fernen Osten. Spätestens 1903 muß er zu dem Kreis um den aus Kleinasien stammenden Magier und Esoteriker Georg Iwanowitsch Gurdjieff gestoßen sein. Mit ihm soll Haushofer Berichten zufolge mehrere Jahre (1903, 1905, 1906) in Tibet und zwischen 1907 und 1908 in Japan gewesen sein. In Japan lernte Haushofer die Landessprache und trat einer der bedeutesten buddhistischen Geheimsekten bei, bei der es sich vermutlich um die Gelbmützen ((dGe-lugs-pa) gehandelt haben könnte. Man sprach überdies Haushofer mediale Fähigkeiten und andere außergewöhnliche Begabungen zu. Während des Ersten Weltkrieges soll er verschiedenen Berichten nach als Hellseher aufgefallen sein, der feindliche Angriffe, Unwetter und andere Ereignisse auf die Minute genau vorherzusagen verstand. Karl Haushofer begann 1946 Selbstmord.
Freiherr R. v. Sebottendorf war wie Karl Haushofer begeisterter Indien- und Tibetreisender und ebenfalls in der Erbengemeinschaft der Tempelritter (Societas Templi Marcioni). Dies war eine Geheimgesellschaft die sich mit der Vervollkommnung des Menschen, durch Meditation , Atemübungen und Yogapraktiken beschäftigte.
Daraus läßt sich erkennen, daß vor, aber auch während dem 3. Reich Interesse bestand Verbindungen zum Osten zu schaffen. Das wohl bekannteste Beispiel hierzu ist die enge Freundschaft zwischen dem XIV Dalai Lama und dem Angehörigen der SS Heinrich Harrer. Während sich Harrer in Indien aufhielt, brach der Krieg aus, und er wurde, als junger Soldat bis 1944 von den Engländern interniert. Erst dann konnte er mit einem Kameraden nach Tibet fliehen. Ein Zufall oder das Schicksal führten dazu, daß er bis Anfang der 50er Jahre als der persönliche Lehrer des jungen Dalai Lama tätig war, den er über alle Wunder der westlichen Zivilisation unterrichtete und auch in die englische Sprache einführte. 1952 kehrte der Lehrer seiner Heiligkeit nach Deutschland zurück. Diese Geschichte wird in dem Film Sieben Jahre in Tibet (mehr oder weniger) erzählt.
Harrer sowie der Wissenschaftler und Tibetspezialist Ernst Schäfer glaubten, Tibet sei die Wiege der Menschheit, ein Zufluchtsort wo eine Priesterkaste ein geheimnisvolles Reich namens Shambhala geschaffen habe dekoriert mit dem buddhistischen Symbol vom Rad der Lehre, einem Hakenkreuz. Schäfer arbeitete nicht nur als ein einfaches Mitglied der SS, sondern zählte zum persönlichen Stab Heinrich Himmlers und wurde später Leiter der Abteilung Ahnenerbe.
Gegen Ende des Zweiten Weltkrieges entdeckten sowjetische Soldaten in Berlin mehr als 1000 tote Tibeter, die Uniformen der Wehrmacht trugen. Doch nun zurück zu den Herren Haushofer und von Sebottendorf.
Die Thule-Gesellschaft
Gegen 1918 formierten sich einige mächtige Leute um Sebottendorf und Haushofer und gründeten die ThuleGesellschaft oder den Thule Förderer und Freundschaftskreis. Welch komischer Zufall, daß nach gerade mal einem Jahr Aufenthalt in Deutschland für Sebottendorf soviel Einfluß bestand um einen Geheimbund zu gründen. Diese Gesellschaft hatte rangvolle Persönlichkeiten als Mitglieder; z.B. Guido von List, Dietrich Eckart der Chefredakteur des Völkischen Beobachters, Adolf Hitler, Rudolf Steiner der Begründer der anthroposophischen Lehren, Rudolf Hess Stellvertreter des Führers und SS-Obergruppenführer, Hans Frank der NS-Reichsleiter, Heinrich Himmler, Herrmann Göring uvm.
Hier wurden, unter Ausschluß der Öffentlichkeit, geheime Rituale sowie machtpolitische Unterredungen gehalten. Sie wurde zu einer Geheimgesellschaft, zu einem okkulten Mittelpunkt des Nationalsozialismus. Sicher war die Thule-Gesellschaft nicht allein für die Machtübernahme Hitlers verantwortlich, doch würde ein genaueres Erklären den Rahmen sprengen und vor allem vom Thema abweichen. Ein interessantes Buch zu diesem Thema ist Das Schwarze Reich (siehe Quellenangabe). Diese Thule-Gesellschaft hielt, innerhalb ihres Bundes, mit nur wenig Eingeweihten, Seancen und spiritistische Sitzungen ab. Bei diesen Sitzungen im engeren Kreis, wurde alt-verborgenes-Wissen durch Wesen im Jenseits übermittelt.
Daß, zur Zeit Hitlers, in Deutschland Symbolismus, die Geomantie und der Mystizismus etwas alltägliches war, beweist sich in der Darstellung des 3. Reiches. Die Runen als Beispiel, welche unterschiedliche Bedeutungen haben und denen verschiedene Kräfte zugesprochen werden, zierten die Uniformen der SS und auch die Fahnen des deutschen Heeres. Oder das Hakenkreuz, das in vielen asiatischen Ländern auch heute noch benutzt und als Glückssymbol angesehen wird. Sowie die Bauweise von Albert Speer, dem bevorzugten Architekten Hitlers (Wewelsburg, Olympiastadion, Parteitagsbauten,....).
Bauplan der Wewelsburg ( Anklicken für großes Bild )
Die Thule-Gesellschaft war durch Übersetzungen von tibetischen, indischen und griechischen Schriften der Meinung, daß unsere Erde hohl und von innen bewohnt sei. Ultima Thule soll die Hauptstadt des Kontinents Hyperborea gewesen sein, der älter als Lemuria und Atlantis war. Die Hyperboreaner waren Thule-Texten zufolge, technisch wie sozial sehr weit fortgeschritten. Dieser Kontinent soll im Nordmeer gelegen haben und im Verlauf einer Eiszeit gesunken sein. Während dieser Katastrophe sollen die Hyperboreaner mit Hilfe riesiger Maschinen, große Tunnel in die Erdkruste gegraben und sich unter der Himalaya-Region angesiedelt haben. Dieses Reich bekam den Namen Agharta oder Agharti mit der Hauptstadt Shamballah. (BILD) Der heutige XIV. Dalai Lama sowie Lamas aus der Mongolei und Tibet geben an dieses unterirdische Reich und den dort lebenden Herrscher der Welt (Rigden Iyepo) zu kennen. Der Dalai Lama behauptet sogar, daß er der Stellvertreter des Königs auf Erden ist. Das unterirdische Reich hatte sich über die Jahrtausende unter der gesamten Erdoberfläche verbreitet, mit riesigen Zentren unter der Sahara, dem Matto Grosso in Brasilien, Yucatan in Mexico, Mount Shasta in Kalifornien und vielen mehr.
Die Thulegesellschaft (und andere Logen) wollten mit diesen Zivilisationen wieder in Kontakt treten und beschloß mehrere Expeditionen nach Tibet zu machen (Harrer, Schäfer, ...). Weitere Expeditionen erforschten die Anden, das Matto Grosso Gebirge im Norden und Santa Catarina im Süden Brasiliens, in der Tschechoslowakei, an Nord- und Südpol und überall wo man sich erfolgreiche Funde versprach.
Ebenso dachten die Thuleverbündeten, daß durch zwei große Öffnungen an den Polen, diese innere Erde erreichbar sei. Sie beriefen sich auf Übersetzungen verschiedener Texte, Geheimwissen von unterschiedlichen Geheimgesellschaften, Gesetzmäßigkeiten welche sie in der Natur beobachten konnten, wie die Hohlräume der Körperzelle, der Eizelle, des Atoms, der Kometen, ... sowie auf die Hermetik (wie innen so außen oder Mikro- Makrokosmos).
Die Vorstellung über den Aufbau unserer Erde stützen hier noch Polarforscher wie Cook , Amundsen, Jansen und Byrd. Alle standen dem gleichen wissenschaftlichen unerklärlichen Phänomenen gegenüber:
wärmer werdender Wind nach dem 76° Breitengrad
- Vögel, Füchse und andere Tiere ziehen, obwohl es dort angeblich kälter wird, Richtung Pole
Funde von grauem und buntem Schnee, stellten sich nach dem Auftauen als Vulkanasche und Blütenpollen heraus
ebenso wurden Mammuts entdeckt, deren Fleisch noch frisch und deren Mageninhalt mit frischem Gras gefüllt war
und sie sahen stellenweise 2 Sonnen (die Innere und Äußere)
Das neue (Schwaben) Land
Mitte November 1938, als die Vorbereitungen für eine Antarktis-Expedition in vollem Gange liefen, kam der amerikanische Antarktisforscher Richard Evelyn Byrd, auf Einladung der Polarschiffahrtsgesellschaft, nach Hamburg. Dort führte er in der Urania vor 82 anwesenden Personen einen Antarktisfilm vor. 54 von diesen Personen waren Mitglieder der Schiffsbesatzung und kamen zur Schulung und Vorbereitung auf diese Antarktis Expedition. Byrd hatte den Südpol 1929 fast überflogen. Im Jahre 1938 wurde dann eine deutsche Antarktis-Expedition mit einem Flugzeugträger, welcher den Namen Schwabenland trug, durchgeführt, der dem dort erschlossenen Land den Namen gab: NEUSCHWABENLAND.
Dieses Schiff konnte mit Hilfe von Dampfkatapulten 10 t schwere Flugzeuge in die Luft befördern.
Diese fortschrittliche Technik hat 1934 bereits von der Lufthansa für den Postverkehr mit Südamerika Verwendung gefunden. Im Herbst 1938 ist die Schwabenland in Hamburger Werften für eine Expedition antarktistauglich gemacht worden. Das allein verschlang die enorme Summe von 1 Mio. Reichsmark. Die Schwabenland verließ den Hafen von Hamburg am 17.12.1938 und erreichte das Ziel, die Antarktis am 19.01.1939 bei 4° 15W und 69° 10S.
Karte Antarktis Expedition 1938 / 39
Das Kommando dieser Expedition sollte Alfred Ritscher führen. Diese Expedition sollte durch Flugerkundung, luftphotogrammetrische Aufnahmen und Flaggenabwurf deutsche Ansprüche auf antarktischen Besitz begründen. Zu diesem Zweck wurde das Flugzeugmutterschiff (Schwabenland) am Rande der Antarktis im südatlantischen Ozean stationiert und durch Flüge ein über 600.000km² großes Gebiet erkundet, welches dann als Neuschwabenland gekennzeichnet wurde. Die beiden Flugboote Boreas und Passat überflogen mehrere Male das Gebiet.
Flugboot Boreas
Sie dokumentierten dieses mit über 11.000 Fotografien, die heute noch existieren. Diese Fotografien wurden mit Zeiss Reihenkameras RMM 38 gemacht
Es wurden Gebirge mit Gipfeln über 4000m Höhe und riesige eisfreie Flächen entdeckt, die mit Namen wie Wohltat-Massiv und Muehlig-Hoffmann-Gebirge bezeichnet wurden oder das Ritscher-Land das den Namen des Führer dieser Expedition, Alfred Ritscher bekam. Es wurde von einer noch erstaunlicheren Landschaft berichtet, die auf halbem Wege zwischen dem Wohltat-Massiv und den Eisklippen der Küste entdeckt wurde. Es war ein tiefliegendes, hügeliges Gebiet mit vielen Seen, das völlig schnee- und eisfrei ist. Die Seen wurden nach einem der Flugkapitäne Schirmacher-Seen genannt.
Die Schirmacherseenplatte ( Anklicken zum Vergrößern )
Überall im Gebiet von Neuschwabenland wurden Reichsfahnen aus Metall abgeworfen und Steckflaggen an der Nordküste gesetzt.
Karte der abgeworfenen Flaggen ( Anklicken zum Vergrößern )
Nach dem damaligen Völkerrecht, welches heute noch mit einer kleinen Ausnahme gilt, war und ist dies ein legaler und gültiger Vorgang. Diese kleine Ausnahme sagt, daß heute nach internationalem Recht keine Gebietsansprüche in der Antarktis geltend gemacht werden können. Die Antarktis war zu geringen Teilen unter anderen Staaten aufgeteilt, es lebte dort keine Menschenseele und durch die Erforschung und die Abwürfe der Fahnen hat das deutsche Reich dort Handlungsfähigkeit bewiesen. Dadurch wurde eine völkerrechtliche wirksame Inbesitznahme begründet. Zu vergleichen mit der USA und dem Mond.
Die Inbesitznahme von Neuschwabenland wird heute in Deutschland von offiziellen Seiten geleugnet. Hier der Wortlaut einer Stellungnahme des Auswärtigen Amtes auf eine entsprechende Anfrage (1993):
Das frühe deutsche Reich hat Gebietsansprüche in der Antarktis nicht erhoben, und zwar auch nicht in Bezug auf das von der deutschen Antarktis-Expedition 1938/39 entdeckte Gebiet Neu-Schwabenland. Einer norwegischen Erklärung vom 14. Januar mit der ein größeres Gebiet in der Antarktis unter Einbeziehung von Neuschwabenland in Anspruch genommen wurde, hat die Reichsregierung am 23. Januar 1939 widersprochen und sich bezüglich des Gebietes die volle Handlungsfreiheit vorbehalten, die sich aus den Grundsätzen des Völkerrechts ergibt.
Konkrete Ansprüche auf das fragliche Gebiet hat das deutsche Reich allerdings weder damals noch später erhoben. Die Bundesregierung hat lediglich im Jahre 1952 das auf die Tatsache der Entdeckung gestützte Recht zur geographischen Namengebung für Neuschwabenland ausgeübt.
Aber was wollte dann das deutsche Reich mit ihren Flaggenabwürfen während der Antarktis-Expedition bezwecken, wenn nicht eine Inbesitznahme des antarktischen Gebietes? Denn berufend auf das Völkerrecht wäre dies eine regulärer Anspruch auf Neuschwabenland.
Zeitgleich mit dem Aufenthalt der deutschen Expeditionsgruppe in Neuschwabenland beanspruchte Norwegen das Koenigin-Maud-Land, also den Teil der Antarktis in dem auch Neuschwabenland liegt, durch eine königliche Resolution am 14.01.1939 für sich. Das Reichsaußenministerium unterrichtete daraufhin den norwegischen Gesandten in Berlin, daß die deutsche Regierung diese Besitzergreifung nicht anerkennen könnten. Norwegen führte als Beleg für seine Rechte auf das Koenigin-Maud-Land dessen Entdeckung und Erforschung an. Entdeckung und Erforschung eines Gebietes sichern dem Entdeckerstaat aber nicht für immer, sondern nur für einen kurzen Zeitraum die Erwerbsrechte zu. Der entdeckte Staat kann demnach jeden Versuch eines anderen Staates, dieses Land zu vereinnahmen, abwehren. Macht er dies nicht, verfällt der Gebietsanspruch des Entdeckerstaates. Da Norwegen nicht gegen das Ausbringen deutscher Hoheitszeichen auf dem von ihm beanspruchten Gebiet eingeschritten war, hat es die Entdeckungen und Erforschungen abgeleiteten Rechte zumindest für Neuschwabenland verwirkt.
Laut alten reichsdeutschen U-Bootkarten besteht die Antarktis aus zwei Teilkontinenten. Durch Tauchgänge jener U-Boote wurde dies während des Zweiten Weltkriegs herausgefunden. Was mit dem Walter-Antrieb kein Problem war. Der nach Prof. Walter benannte Walter-Antrieb wurde schon ab 1933 entwickelt. Das erste Versuchsboot V 80 erreichte schon bei der ersten Probefahrt eine Unterwassergeschwindigkeit von 26 kn, also fast 50 km/h, und übertraf damit die damals bis 9 kn übliche U-Bootgeschwindigkeit erheblich. Die Front war in Eiform beschaffen, wodurch das Wasser spiralförmig um die U-Boote gewendet wurde. Der untere Teil dieser Boote hatte die Form einer stehenden Acht, der Antrieb erfolgte mit Wasserstoffperoxid. Großadmiral Dönitz erklärte zu diesen Booten: Durch diese Typen war die Überlegenheit, die die (feindliche) Abwehr dem U-Boot gegenüber seit 1943 gewonnen hatte und die im wesentlichen auf der Überwasserortung mit Hilfe kürzester Wellen beruhte, ausgeschaltet. Das U-Boot blieb, für die Ortung nicht feststellbar, unter Wasser, operierte in schützender Tiefe und griff auch nur aus ihr heraus an.
Ebenfalls ermöglichte dieser sogenannte Walter-Schnorchel längere Strecken ohne auftauchen zu bewältigen.
Der Walter-Schnorchel
Die beiden Soldaten Siewert und Wehrend waren beide Teilnehmer der Antarktisexpedition im Jahre 1938/39. Sie berichteten, daß sie auch noch nach der Beendigung der Expedition, also im Frühjahr 1939 weiterhin auf dem Schiff Schwabenland Dienst machten und ihr Schiff im vierteljährlichen Rhythmus zwischen Neuschwabenland und Heimathafen pausenlos pendelte um Ausrüstungsgegenstände und ganze Bergbaueinrichtungen in die Antarktis zu befördern. Dazu gehörten auch Gleisanlagen und Loren, aber auch eine riesige Fräse, um Tunnelsysteme ins Eis bohren zu können.
Auf offizieller Seite wird berichtet, daß es keine reichsdeutschen U-Boote gibt, über deren Verbleib man auf alliierter Seite nichts wüßte. Es existieren sehr viele Berichte über Absetzung von reichsdeutschen U-Booten und deren Besatzungen, während und nach dem Krieg, nach Südamerika, Nordamerika und auch die Arktis und Antarktis. Daß man hierzulande noch nicht so viel darüber gehört hat, liegt einzig und allein daran, daß fast alle Unterlagen sämtlicher Kommandobehörden, Stäbe, Flottillen und U-Boote, nach dem 2. Weltkrieg in die Hände der Alliierten (speziell England) fielen und sich zum großen Teil noch dort befinden.
Dennoch bleiben hunderte von U-Booten, die offiziell ausliefen, aber nicht versenkt wurden oder in Gefangenschaft gerieten, wie vom Erdboden verschluckt. Ebenso könnte es sich mit vielen erfolgreichen Ingenieuren, Wissenschaftlern, Medizinern und Technikern zugetragen haben, welche sicher nicht alle den Alliierten in die Hände fielen.
Eine der bemerkenswertesten Aussagen zur Expedition Neuschwabenland kam von Admiral Karl Dönitz, dem Oberkommandierenden der deutschen Marine und schließlich Hitlers Nachfolger, als er sagte:
Die deutsche U-Boot Flotte ist stolz darauf, daß sie für den Führer in einem anderen Teil der Welt ein Shangri-La gebaut hat, eine uneinnehmbare Festung.
Obwohl die Briten die Drake Passage an der südlichen Spitze Südamerikas schützten, blieben Neuschwabenland und seine Küstenlinie von den Alliierten unberührt.
Ausgedehnte Erforschungen mit U-Booten in der Gegend ergaben, daß ein unterseeischer Graben vor Neuschwabenland bis zum anderen Ende des Kontinents verläuft. Man fand heraus, daß der Graben vulkanischen Ursprungs ist. Als die deutschen Forscher ihm folgten entdeckten sie warme Seen, Höhlen, Gletscherspalten und Eistunnel.
Die Theorie, daß sich eine Elite aus dem 3. Reich anhand modernster Technologie (U-Boote, ...) in die Antarktis abgesetzt hat, wird noch erhärtet wenn man die Bemühungen der Alliierten betrachtet, welche durch die Operation Highjump in Neuschwabenland landen wollten. Schaut man sich die offizielle Erklärungen zu dieser Operation an so heißt es einmal Material- und Mannschaftserprobung unter polaren Voraussetzungen, oder die von Dr. Paul A. Siple vermutete tiefgreifende Veränderung der Schelfeisküste in der Bay of Whales (Ross Sea) festzustellen. Inoffiziellen Berichten zufolge hieß der Leiter der Operation Admiral Richard E. Byrd. Derselbe Byrd der 9 Jahre zuvor noch einen Antarktis-Vortrag in Hamburg hielt.
Im Winter 1946/47 unternahm die US-Navy eine Expedition in die Antarktis. Diese Operation sah vor, daß der Expeditionskonvoi, bestehend aus Schiffen und Flugzeugen, sich in drei Gruppen teilte. Byrds sogenannte Mittelgruppe sollte die Scott-Inseln ansteuern und in Little America eine Basisstation samt Flugfeld, damit man von dort aus Erkundungsflüge in das Innere der Antarktis unternehmen konnte. Während dessen Hatte die Ost- bzw. die Westgruppe die Aufgabe die antarktische Küste zu erkunden. Es war der 21.01.1947, als der Expeditionskonvoi die Antarktis erreichte und die Männer an Bord ihrer Schiffe mit ihrer Arbeit begannen. Am 13. Februar war man soweit, bei der Byrd-Gruppe, um die Flüge ins Landesinnere zu starten. Aber schon 3 Wochen später, am 03.03.1947, ordnete Admiral Byrd den Rückzug an, weil mehrere Flugzeuge spurlos verschwunden waren. Der Rückzug erfolgte derart überhastet, daß neun Flugzeuge im ewigen Eis zurückgelassen wurden.
An der Operation Highjump waren 13 amerikanische Schiffe beteiligt, darunter Flugzeugträger, Zerstörer, Eisbrecher, ein U-Boot und 15 schwere Transportflugzeuge und Fernaufklärer und 4000 Mann. Einer der Piloten hieß Leutnant D. Bunger. Er sah als erster das, was heute seinen Namen trägt: Die Bunger-Oase. Sie gilt als eine der eigentümlichsten und schönsten Landschaft der Antarktis. Sie ist für polare Verhältnisse ungewöhnlich schwer zugängig. Obwohl sie von der Küstenlinie nicht allzu weit entfernt liegt und mit fast 200 km² Fläche eigentlich nicht übersehen werden kann, entdeckten sie die Amerikaner erst während der ByrdExpedition. Die Bunger-Oase ist eisfrei und weist durch eine erhöhte Strahlungsbilanz des freiliegenden Gesteins im Vergleich zur Umgebung ein sehr mildes Mikroklima auf. Sie hat mehrere Süßwasserseen die oft das Südliche farbenfroh reflektieren.
Admiral Byrd nimmt zu der strategischen Wichtigkeit der Pole Stellung, denen er enorme Bedeutung zumißt. Er hob die Notwendigkeit hervor in Alarmzustand und Wachsamkeit entlang des gesamten Eisgürtels, der das letzte Bollwerk gegen eine Invasion sei zu bleiben, ..das Überleben der Menschheit wie das der militärischen Wissenschaft befinden sich augenblicklich in einer lebenswichtigen Phase der Entwicklung...
Da stellen sich aber erneut viele Fragen. Wenn es kein militärisches Interesse an Neuschwabenland gab wieso benötigte Byrd Zerstörer und Flugzeugträger mit fünfzehn schweren Transportflugzeugen? Sicher nicht für das Equipment. Anderen Quellen nach sollen bei Highjump mehrere Länder wie England, Norwegen, Rußland und Kanada mit Schiffen dabei gewesen sein. Wieso wurde die Expedition mit reichlich Verlust auf Seiten der Alliierten, schon nach 2 Wochen und nicht wie vereinbart nach 3 Monaten, frühzeitig beendet? Wieso wurde laut Flugkarten des Admiral Byrd bei seiner Expedition am Südpol, Neuschwabenland als einziger Flecken der Antarktis unbehelligt gelassen? (BILD) Wieso erfolgte im September des Jahres 1979 am 5. März des Jahres 1986, Atomtests und darüber hinaus im norwegischen Sektor der Antarktis ?
Es folgt nun eine Liste der Mitglieder der Expedition Neuschwabenland 1938/39
Deutsche Antarktische Expedition 1938/39
Expeditionsleiter Kapitän: Alfred Ritscher
Kapitän des Schiffes: Alfred Kottas, DLH
Eislotse Kapitän: Otto Kraul
Schiffsarzt: Dr. Josef Bludau, NDL
Flugkapitän: Rudolf Mayr, Fuehrer der Dornier-Wales Passat, DLH
Flugzeugmechaniker: Franz Preuschoff, DLH
Flugfunker: Herbert Ruhnke, DLH
Luftbildner: Max Bundermann, Hansa Luftbild G.m.b.H.
Flugkapitän: Richardheinrich Schirmacher, Fuehrer der Dornier-Wales Boreas, DLH
Flugzeugmechaniker: Kurt Loesener, DLH
Flugfunker: Erich Gruber, DLH
Luftbildner: Siegfried Sauter, Hansa Luftbild G.m.b.H.
I. Meteorologe: Dr. Herbert Regula, Deutsche Seewarte, Hamburg
II. Meteorologe: Studienassessor Heinz Lange, R. F. W., Berlin
Techn. Assistent: Walter Krueger, R.f.W., Berlin
Techn. Assistent: Wilhelm Gockel, Marineobservatorium Wilhelmshaven
Biologe: Studienref. Erich Barkley, Reichsstelle für Fischerei (Institut für Walforschung)
Geophysiker: cand. Geophys. Leo Gburek, Erdmagnetisches Institut, Leipzig
Geograph: Dr. Ernst Herrmann
Ozeanograph: cand. Phil. Karl-Heinz Paulsen
I. Offizier: Herbert Amelang
II. Offizier: Karl-Heinz Roebke
III. Offizier: Hans Werner Viereck
IV. Offizier: Vincenz Grisar
Schiffsfunkleiter: Erich Harmsen
Schiffsfunkoffizier: Kurt Bojahr
Schiffsfunkoffizier: Ludwig Muellmerstadt
Leitender Ingenieur: Karl Uhlig
II. Ingenieur: Robert Schulz
III. Ingenieur: Henry Maas
IV. Ingenieur: Edgar Gaeng
IV. Ingenieur: Hans Nielsen
Ing. Assistent: Johann Frey
Ing. Assistent: Georg Jelschen
Ing. Assistent: Heinz Siewert
Elektriker: Elektro-Ing. Herbert Bruns
Elektriker: Karl-Heinz Bode
Werkmeister: Herbert Bolle, DLH
Katapultführer: Wilhelm Hartmann, DLH
Lagerhalter: Alfred Ruecker, DLH
Flugmechaniker: Franz Weiland, DLH
Flugmechaniker: Axel Mylius, DLH
Flugmechaniker: Wilhelm Lender, DLH
Bootsmann: Willy Stein
I. Zimmermann: Richard Wehrend
II. Zimmermann: Alfons Schaefer
Matrose: Heinz Hoek
Matrose: Juergen Ulpts
Matrose: Albert Weber
Matrose: Adolf Kunze
Matrose: Karl Hedden
Matrose: Eugen Klenk
Matrose: Fritz Jedamezyk
Matrose: Emil Brandt
Matrose: Kurt Ohnemueller
Leichtmatrose: Alfred Peters
Decksjunge: Alex Burtscheid
Eine kleine Liste mit vermißten U Booten
Boot - Indienststellung - Ort und Art des Abgangs
U 2111 - 15.05.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 2112 - 05.06.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 2113 - 07.06.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 2251 - 15.07.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 2252 - 17.07.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 2253 - 19.07.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 2254 - 20.07.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
Bis
U 2295 - 23.08.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 5034 - 15.11.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 5035 - 17.11.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 5036 - 18.11.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 5037 - 20.11.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 5251 - 10.10.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 5252 - 03.10.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 5253 - 11.10.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 5254 - 18.10.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
U 5255 - 13.10.44 - Verbleib zur Zeit nicht geklärt
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Quellenverzeichnis:
- Einblicke in die Innere Erde, CTT-Verlag, Heiner Gehring
- Die Innere Erde Eine Übersicht, CTT-Verlag, Heiner Gehring
- Ausblicke auf die Innere Erde, CTT-Verlag, Heiner Gehring
- Deutsche Flugscheiben und U-Boote überwachen die Weltmeere 1+2, Gesellschaft für politisch-philosophische Studien e.V., O. Bergmann
- Das schwarze Reich, Heyne Verlag, E. R. Carmin
- Der Schatten des Dalai Lama, Patmos, Victor und Victoria Trimondi
- Montauk V Die Schwarze Sonne, Michaelsverlag, Peter Moon
- Arktos Das Buch der hohlen Erde, Edition neue Perspektiven, Joscelyn Godwin
-Das Vermaechtnis des Messias, Bastei Luebbe, Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh und Henry Lincoln
-Der heilige Gral und seine Erben, Bastei Luebbe, Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh und Henry Lincoln
- Die Legende von Atlantis, Multi Media Agency, Elia the Prophet
- Der Armstrong-Report, G. Reichel Verlag, Virgil Armstrong
- Tibet auf geheimnisvollen Pfaden....., Edition neue Perspektiven, Theodor Illion
- Die dunkle Seite des Mondes I+II, Edition Pandora, Brad Harris
- Unternehmen Aldebaran, Ewertverlag, Jan van Helsing
- Mystische Stätten, Time-Life
- ZeitenSchrift mehrere Ausgaben
- Interview mit Virgil Armstrong, Frank E. Stranges und John Hurtak
Sowie etliche Berichte aus dem Internet.
http://www.hohle-erde.de/body_neuschwabenland.html
[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door merlin693 op 07-03-2003 16:52]
quote:A: Ik begrijp geen Duits/verdom het te lezen
Op vrijdag 7 maart 2003 16:49 schreef merlin693 het volgende:[...]
B: Leuk dat je dit post
C: Wat is je mening hier over ?
quote:A: dat is jammer maar ook ergens (indien je van de oudere generatie bent ) wel begrijpelijk
A: Ik begrijp geen Duits/verdom het te lezen
B: Leuk dat je dit post
C: Wat is je mening hier over ?
B: Ja He !!
C: mijn mening geven over iets wat je nog niet gelezen hebt ??? of bedoel je een beschrijving van dit artiekel in het kort ??
hier een link naar een real player stream
http://208.15.19.12:4324/ramgen/john/cinemav/byrd/byrd1a.rm
http://208.15.19.12:4324/ramgen/john/cinemav/byrd/byrd1b.rm
http://208.15.19.12:4324/ramgen/john/cinemav/byrd/byrd1c.rm
http://208.15.19.12:4324/ramgen/john/cinemav/byrd/byrd1d.rm
http://208.15.19.12:4324/ramgen/john/cinemav/byrd/byrd2.rm
http://208.15.19.12:4324/ramgen/john/cinemav/byrd/byrd3.rm
quote:thule.org
In 1947 Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal sent a naval task force to Antarctic including Admiral Nimitz, Admiral Krusen and Admiral Byrd, called "Operation Highjump". It was touted to be an expedition to find "coal deposits" and other valuable resources, but in actuality they were trying to find the underground base of the nazis (aryans) in Neuschwabenlandt. The nazis had done a very detailed study of Antarctic and were alleged to have built an underground base there.
In this regard however, the aryans have had an underground habitation in Antarctic for more than a million years.The task force of OVER 40 SHIPS, included the flagship "Mount Olympus", the aircraft carrier "Philipine Sea", the seaplane tender "Pine Sea", the submarine "Senate", the destroyer "Bronson", the ice breaker "Northwind", and other tanker and supply ships. An armed contingent of 1400 sailors, and three dog sled teams were also on board.
The expedition was filmed by the Navy and brought to Hollywood to be made into a commercial film called "The Secret Land". It was narrated by Hollywood actor Robert Montgomery (Naval reserve Officer) .There were three divisions of Operation High Jump: one land group with tractors, explosives, and plenty of equipment to refurbish "Little America", and make an airstrip to land the six R-4D's (DC-3's), and two seaplane groups. The R4-D's were fitted with jet-assist takeoff bottles (JATO) in order to takeoff from the short runway of the aircraft carrier "Philipine Sea". They also were fitted with large skis for landing on the ice field prepared for them. The skis were specially fitted at three inches above the surface of the carrier deck. When landing on the ice at "Little America" the three inches of tire in contact with the snow and ice provided just enough and not too much drag for a smooth landing.
Admiral Byrd's team of six R4-D's were fitted with the super secret "Trimetricon" spy cameras and each plane was trailing a magnetometer. They flew over as much of the continent as they could in the short three month "summer" period, mapping and recording magnetic data. Magnetometers show anomalies in the Earth's magnetism, i.e. if there is a "hollow" place under the surface ice or ground, it will show up on the meter.
On the last of many "mapping" flights where all six planes went out, each on certain pre-ordained paths to film and "measure" with magnetometers, Admiral Byrd's plane returned THREE HOURS LATE.
It was stated that he had "lost an engine" and had had to throw everything overboard except the films themselves and the results of magnetometer readings in order to maintain altitude long enough to return to Little America.
This is most certainly the time when he met with representatives of the aryans and a contingent of nazis.The task force came steaming back with their data which then became classified "top secret". Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal retired and started to "talk". He was put in Bethesda Naval Hospital psychiatric ward where he was prevented from seeing or talking to anyone, including his wife! after a short while he was thrown out the window while trying to hang himself with a bedsheet. It was ruled a suicide, case closed. He was telling people about the underground aryan base.
[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door merlin693 op 07-03-2003 17:15]
-The Omega-file: Admiral Byrd and Operation High-jump-
www.anomalous-images.com/text/omega17.htm
-The Omega-file: NAZI-Bases in Antarctica-
www.anomalous-images.com/text/omega2.htm
quote:Het begrip zwaartekracht staat hier ter discussie.
Op donderdag 23 januari 2003 21:58 schreef Phooka het volgende:[..]
Nee, de zwaartekracht van de schil heeft geen invloed binnen de schil. De bewoner voelt alleen de middelpuntvliedende kracht en de zwaartekracht van de zon.
Weten we eigenlijk wel genoeg af van gravitatie ?
In de filosofie van de holle aarde treed ook de discussie op van een bewustzijn van de aarde, d.w.z. de aarde als levend wezen met een geest. En juist dit bewustzijn zou invloed hebben op de gravitatie.
Een holle aarde zou men dan kunnen interpreteren als een lichaam met de aardschil als geraamte.
Wie kritiek heeft mag het zeggen.
bedankt voor die Linkies ! ik zie/merk dat jij ook een liefhebber van Branton bent !!
Interesse in de MOJAVE files over de "has Musaf" ?
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hier nog wat te lezen
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From Mu To Thule
And the Inner Earth
A Journey Into the
Theoretical Past
Gerry Forster
In this article, I ask the reader to accompany me upon an intriguing journey through the dimly-remembered, faintly-recorded archaic world of our ancient ancestors. We shall be guided by some of those great imaginative visionaries who tirelessly endeavoured to fill in some of the blanks pages of the legendary past history of this mysterious world of ours. Much of what had virtually faded away into pure myth has been steadily fleshed-out again down the centuries by Greek and Roman scholars like Plato, Herodatus and Tacitus; intrepid explorer-archaeologists like James Churchward, Percy H. Fawcett, and Heinrich Schliemann, and mystic-explorers like Nicholas Roerich and Theodore Illion. Theosophists and philosophers like Helena Blavatsky, W. Scott-Elliot and Rudolph Steiner, and even gifted seers like Edgar Cayce, have also played their part.
Nor should we overlook the input of such authorities on Thule and the Aryan race as Julius Evola and Joscelyn Godwin, or researchers into hidden underground and inner earth empires such as Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton, Saint-Yves and even the Nazi historian, Miguel Serrano. Polar explorers like Sir George Wilkins, Fridjof Nansen and Richard E. Byrd also have their input to make on matters Borealic. Nor is the inspired fiction of famed writers Verne, Poe and Rice Burroughs overlooked for its useful contribution in fanning the flames of imagination that have revitalized this almost fogotten part of the worlds history.
A great deal has been recorded and written about such great empires and nations as ancient Egypt, Greece, Troy, Rome, Assyria, Persia and even India, Tibet and China, but here I seek to remind the reader of the more esoteric and archaic empires of Mu, Atlantis, Osiria, Hyperborea, and Agharta. The ancient empires from which these later and better-known ones were originally born! Thus our partly-proven - partly-theoretical journey begins with the tropical paradise of ancient Mu and takes us via a tortuous route to the polar paradise of Hyperborean Thule, and thence to the Interior World which lies hidden just beyond!
Let us then set forth on our travels through the mists of time with open minds and the readiness to acquire whatever wisdom and knowledge our individual minds are willing to accept as we go!
The Lost Continent Of Mu
In 1868, Colonel James Churchward, who was then a serving officer in the British Army in India, befriended the high priest of an Indian temple, who showed him several sets of ancient, inscribed clay tablets which had lain concealed in the temple vaults for many centuries, unread and neglected by most of the temple priests down the ages.
With the aid of his new-found friend, Churchward learned how to decipher the ancient Naacal tablet inscriptions. As Churchward translated them, and grasped vast fund of information they contained, he realized that he had stumbled upon the amazing history of a long-lost continent which had been the first great civilization on the Earth. They told of a huge civilization that had arisen, flourished and decayed long before any of those known to modern scholars! It was the great continent of Mu, the Motherland of all the races of the Earth!
For long years, Churchward followed the trail of this mysterious new civilization to the far ends of the earth, piecing together the many parts of a vast jigsaw. Then, as he steadily acquired more and more pieces of information and carefully fitted them into place,.a marvellous picture began to form. A stunning picture of a vast, lost Pacific continent and its original inhabitants gradually came together. The final result of Churwards immense labour was his amazing book: The Lost Continent of Mu.
Sadly, after its first publication in 1926, Churchwards book attracted a lot of ridicule and criticism from the archaeological scholars of his day, and very few of them took his findings and theories seriously. It was regarded more as wild fiction than a serious scientific study. But today fortunately, we live in a less narrow-minded society, and many such monumental works as Churchwards are being taken considerably more seriously, as outmoded old dogmas are being overturned by the new findings of more enlightened scientific researchers. Of course, that isnt to say that we need necessarily subscribe entirely to his idea of Mu being one huge mid-Pacific continent, since, like the idea of Atlantis being a huge mid-Atlantic continent, it cant be supported by the findings of modern submarine exploration and geological investigation.
However, from my own study of bathymetric maps and charts of the Pacific ocean floor, there does seem to be reasonable geological support for there having once been a number of large and long islands forming a series of ridges across the Pacific, which could have become submerged through tectonic activity into the ocean floor of the Pacific. It is known to be a highly unstable region, surrounded by the so-called Ring of Fire of volcanoes, and earthquake-prone regions where tectonic plates rub against each other, and the Pacific ocean-bed is dotted with chains of sea-mounts, many of which are volcanic, as well as deep cracks and rifts known as trenches. Also, churchwards concept of underground Gas-Chambers collapsing or imploding in upon themselves after losing their supporting internal gas pressure sounds entirely feasible to me.
Its not unreasonable, therefore, to place a certain degree of credence in Churchwards assertion that there has been a great amount of rising and sinking in such an unstable sea-bed, and that, in the fairly recent geological past, many of the current island-chains could have stood much higher above sea-level, to form continuous mountainous ridges stretching across a good deal of the western half, if not two-thirds, of the Pacific. As mentioned, Ive taken the trouble (as any reader should) to closely study the latest depictions of the Pacific Ocean bed as it would appear without water, and I find that there is certainly an entirely plausible case to made for the various island-chains having once actually been continuous, above-water ridges of dry land stretching for anything between a thousand miles to two thousand miles in length! The Midway and Hawaiian Island group in the North Pacific, that form the undersea Hawaiian Ridge, is a typical example of what I mean. They would have formed a connection to the Line Island Ridge via the Mid-Pacific Ridge, and thus down to other ridges of contiguous island-chains in the South Pacific.
Following this line of thought, one can easily see how there could very well have been an interconnected or easily-reached group of land-ridges extending all the way from Japan and the East Indies, right across to Pitcairn Island, or even Easter Island, in the south, the Marquesas nearer the equator, and Hawaii itself in the north. Nor should we ignore the submerged South Eastern Pacific Plateau in this consideration, which runs almost north-north-east, toward the west coast of Central America, in the midst of which we find Easter Island. From there, its only a distance of under two thousand miles or so to the Peruvian coastline. This would have been a comfortable sail for such an empire of seafarers as the people of Mu must surely have been, according to Churchwards theory!
However, apart from this leaning of Churchward toward the need for a huge super-continent to occupy a good half the Pacific Ocean area, I personally find his general basic theory quite intriguing, especially since it fits in well with so many other strange anomalies regarding the origins and movements of various ancient peoples - including both the Atlanteans and the Naacal Ramans, besides the three principal races of humanity. Perhaps if Churchward had only had access to the knowledge we now possess of the geology and topography of the ocean floors, his continent-proposition would have been appropriately modified, and might have met with a far better reception than it did from the scholars of his day. However, having hopefully helped his premise become a little more realistic and feasible, I should now define some of the points of interest in his Mu concept.
Why Did Churchward Search for Mu?
As we saw previously, the whole thing was triggered off by the old high priest of the Indian college temple, which was obviously a remnant off-shoot of the Holy Brotherhood of the ancient Naacals. Had he not spoken about this amazing 50,000 years old civilization with its 64 million inhabitants to Churchward, Mu might well have completely disappeared from human memory long ago. Instead, having befriended Churchward, and found him to be a seeker after esoteric knowledge, the old high priest eventually allowed Churchward access to the precious tablets which had been loving preserved mostly intact for nearly fifty millennia.
If it hadnt been a time of great famine in India in 1868, and had Churchward not been assisting in famine relief (courtesy of the British Army), the two would never have met, and the story would never have come to light. Such are the curious twists of fortune and circumstance which direct our destinies! As I said at the outset, once Churchward saw the ancient tablets, he was well and truly hooked, and Mu became the driving obsession of his life thereafter. He felt totally compelled to unearth the proof of this amazing story, or die in the attempt!
For two full years, he studied with the old priest, learning how to decipher the bass-relief characters upon the clay tablets, that had been written either in Burma or actually in Mu itself by ancient Naacal priestly scholars. The tablets he studied were, in fact, only a few fragments of what had once been a vast collection, and these had been rescued from one of the old seven Rishi cities which were the centres of learning in the old Rama Empire in ancient India! After many months of intense study of the tablets (including having to repair many that had been broken in packing or transit) Churchward eventually began to crack the code. His efforts were justified when he discovered that they described in detail the creation of the Earth and of the appearance of Man - in the land of Mu! When he realized the enormous significance of his discovery In the elucidation of that eternal problem (the origin of mankind and his races), Churchward set off to Burma, armed with introductory letters from the Indian priests, in the fond hope of finding more of the tablets. Sadly, he was rebuffed by the Buddhist priests there, who told him to go back to India and Ask those thieves who stole them to show them to you!
Undaunted however, he decided to make a study of the writings of all the ancient civilizations of the old world, to compare them with the legends he had discovered about Mu from the clay tablets. And this he did, only to discover that they were all preceded by the Civilization of Mu.
During his studies, he learned that the Lost Continent had extended from north of Hawaii southward as far as Fiji and Easter Island, and was undoubtedly the original (earthly) habitat of man. He learned that this beautiful land of smiling plenty had produced the people that colonized the Earth, and that it had been obliterated by terrific earthquakes and submersion 12,000 years ago, and had vanished in a vortex of fire and water! Subsequently, he traced the same story to India, where colonists from Mu had settled: from India into Egypt; from Egypt to the temple of Sanai (Sinai?), where Moses copied it; and from Moses to the faulty translations of Ezra, 800 years later. The plausibility of this will be apparent even to those who have not studied the subject carefully, when they see the close resemblance between the story of the creation as we know it and the tradition that originated in Mu.
Sadly, space will not permit me to recount here all that Churchward, aided by his priestly mentor, deciphered from the tablets. I can only suggest that the interested reader get the book for himself from the local public library, if he desires to see all Churchwards rather bewilderingly detailed accounts and his profuse accompanying illustrations. I must confine myself to his general theory and the story he culled from the tablets. Sufficient be it to say that the first two tablets proved to be the key that unlocked the secrets of all the rest. Certainly, according to Churchward, the first tablets gave a creative story that is very similar indeed to that set forth in the Hebrew Book of Genesis, up to the making of man after our own fashion, and let us endow him with powers to rule this earth.
This rather jars against the Hebrew version with regard to the creation of Adam, as does the final creative verse, Then Narayana, the Seven Headed Intellect, the Creator of all things throughout the universe, created man, and placed within his body a living imperishable spirit, and man became like Narayana in intellectual power. Then was creation complete. Since Churchward was allegedly a devout Christian, I can hardly conceive of him attempting to forge a fraudulent version and sell his own soul for the sake of notoriety! Unfortunately, this rather sinister-looking Seven-Headed Intellect (which is depicted in his book as a giant cobra with seven rather nasty-looking heads) sounds uncomfortably similar to the Seven-Headed Beast that comes out of the sea, in the Biblical Book of Revelation, even though that entity from Hell is depicted as a seven-headed leopard-like creature).
There were seven creative commands, which indicated seven periods of time, but were not measured by any specific number of years, or days as in the Bible story of Creation. According to Churchward, the account simply stated that the creation took seven periods of time - not six days as in the Biblical legend. He goes on to add that legends of the Creation are prevalent among many peoples throughout the world, and in all instances he found much of the material identical. The only conclusion Churchward could draw was that they were all of a common origin, and had their genesis in Mu!
Churchward then sets about proving the actual existence of Mu. Firstly via the Naacal tablets, then he mentions records written in Maya, Egypt and India, which recount the destruction of Mu: when the earths crust was broken up by earthquakes and then sank into a fiery abyss. Then the waters of the Pacific rolled in over her, leaving only water where a mighty civilization had existed.
Secondly, he points out that there is ample confirmation of Mu in other ancient manuscripts, like the Hindu Ramanyana epic mentioned earlier, as told by Narraté, the high priest of the Rishi Temple at Ayhodya. At one point, mention is made of the Naacals coming to Burma from the land of their birth in the East - which is the direction of the Pacific. Mention is also made of Mu in the Troano Manuscript, an ancient Mayan book, written in Yucatan, and now in the British Museum. It refers to The Land of Mu using the same symbols as were found in Egypt, India and Burma. Yet another Mayan book as old as the Troano Manuscript - The Codex Cortesianus also mentions Mu as does a Tibetan book in Lhasa, and as also do scores of other ancient records from Egypt, Greece, Central America, Mexico and even the Anasazi cliff-inscriptions in the southern USA!
Thirdly, there are many existing ruins on the South Sea islands, such as Easter Island, Mangiaia, Tonga, Ponape and the Marianas Islands, which seem to hark back to the time of Mu. Whilst at Uxmal, in Yucatan, there is an inscription upon an ancient ruined temple which commemorates The Lands of The West, whence we came - and a pyramid south west of Mexico city was built, according to its inscriptions, in memory of the destruction of these Lands of The West.
Fourthly, Churchward found that there was a universality of certain ancient symbols and customs which were to be found in various ancient lands such as Egypt, Burma, India, Japan, China, the South Sea Islands, Central and South America, as well as among the aboriginal tribes of North America. They were so identical that it seemed certain that they all came from only one source - Mu!
Churchwards Description of Mu.
From all the diverse sources at his disposal, Chuchward was able to form a picture of his great Muvian continent. He described it as a vast stretch of rolling country, extending from north of Hawaii, down towards the south. A line between Easter Island and the Fijis formed its southern boundary. It was over 5,000 miles from east to west, and over 3,000 miles from north to south. The continent consisted of three* areas of land, divided from each other by narrow channels or seas. (*Which seems to fit in with my own suggestion of the land of Mu actually being a series of ridges, separated by stretches of ocean, rather than one complete and solid continental mass.) He then goes on to describe Mu as it was, according to the various records he had studied. It was beautiful tropical land with huge plains. Its plains and valleys were covered in rich grazing grass and cultivated fields, whilst the low rolling hill-lands were verdant with luxuriant growths of verdant tropical vegetation. No mountains or mountain ranges stretched themselves through this earthly paradise to give an irregular, jagged, yet soft and graceful skyline. Mountains had not yet been forced up from the bowels of the earth. Here I find myself more than a little perplexed, since Churchward has already spoken of the Pacific Islands as being part of this continent, and the South Sea Islands as already being extant!
But let us continue to follow his idyllic description a little further: The great rich land was intersected and watered by many broad, slow-running streams and rivers, which wound their sinuous ways in fantastic curves and bends around the wooded hills and through fertile plains. Luxuriant vegetation covered the whole land with a soft, pleasing, restful mantle of green. bright and fragrant flowers on tree and shrub added colour and finish to the landscape. Tall fronded palms fringed the oceans shores and lined the banks of the rivers for many miles inland... He goes on in his prosy style to remark upon feathery ferns and shallow lakes bejewelled with sacred lotus flowers in emerald green settings and of gaudy-winged butterflies and tiny humming-birds....glistening like living jewels in the rays of the sun.
However, he eventually waxes less poetic, and gets down to cases regarding the lifeforms of Mu He goes on to tell us that mighty mastodons and elephants roamed the primeval forests of Mu, and that the human population of the continent was 64,000,000 people. (or roughly the current population of the Philippines). There was a great network of broad, smooth roads running in all directions, laid with smooth stones, so perfectly matched that no grass could grow between them! (Shades of the masonry of the Mayans!) The population was made up of ten tribes or peoples, each distinct from the others, but all under one, single government. Could these have been different racial groups? If so how can we split the basic three into ten? Five races are about as many as one can reasonably go, without getting into purely national groupings! However, these were apparently all of one nation. The only other meaning could be similar to that which applied to the twelve tribes of Israel, but in what way were these Muians distinct from each other? Surely this must imply colour or racially physical differences?
The Empire of The Sun.
However, to move on. They evidently had an emperor who bore the title of Ra Mu and the term Ra also represented their common Deity, an unseen God, whose name. (like the Hebrews) they were not allowed to speak, except through a symbol. This symbol was Ra The Sun which represented the Deitys attributes. As their High Priest as well as their Emperor, Ra Mu was the human representative of their Deity in all religious matters. However, everyone understood that Ra Mu was not to be worshipped, as he was only a figurehead - perhaps as Christ is a figurehead for Jahweh? The people of Mu were highly civilized and intellectual. There was no savagery on the face of the earth, nor had there ever been. They were completely united under the sole sovereignty of their motherland - Mu, The Empire of The Sun and its laws and regulations.
Churchward goes on to mention that the white people were the dominant group on Mu, and in all probability, represented the priestly and patrician class of its population. Besides these, he goes on to say, rather enigmatically, that there were people of other races - people with yellow, brown or black skins. They, however, did not dominate. This he culled from the Lhasa Record, among many others. According to these ancient manuscripts, the Muvians were great navigators and sailed all over the world - much as the Atlanteans are purported to have done, being also a great maritime nation. They were also reputed to have been great builders, too; another thing they had in common with the Atlanteans! (One is compelled to wonder whether these two groups, the Muvians and the Atlanteans were very closely related, or even simply two sides of the same coin, as it were!)
The Lhasa Record also mentions that there were seven principal cities, which were the seats of religion, science and learning in Mu, scattered across the three lands (or ridges?), This relates very closely to the seven Rishi cities of the subsequent Rama Empire which ruled India, and must obviously have been the original paradigm for that powerful nation, who were said to have come from Mu. Its interesting to contemplate the close similarity between Ra Mu and Rama, and, of course, the connection of the Sun-god name, Ra, both in Mu and later in Egypt, needs little or no explanation! So it is evident that Mu must have had great colonial as well as commercial interests around much of the ancient world. In fact, the Lhasa and other records are reported to state, categorically, that Muvian colonies had been set up in all parts of the world. (I believe, as Ive mentioned previously, that the Atlanteans themselves came from Mu to begin with, and were probably originally a colony of that nation until they seceded from this Empire of The Sun! Surely, there are just too many similarities and parallels between the two nations for it to have possibly been otherwise!)
From what can be gleaned from these records and Churchwards interpretation of events, it would seem that there were various exoduses of large groups of people of different races from Mu, during its long duration, and before its final destruction. As I have mentioned in another article, a large contingent of the black population are said to have left Mu to seek a new homeland for themselves in Africa, and it appears that they travelled there by way of the then Amazonian Sea, which once filled the huge basin that is today the area occupied by the Amazon jungle. Apparently this must have been prior to the upthrusting of the Andes - an event that took place in the time of the forebears of the Mayans and Incas - as a canal led from the western coast of Peru into this inland sea, which was partly open to the Atlantic on its eastern side.
This isnt so unreasonable to accept, when one considers that Lake Titicaca, which is now 13,000 feet above sea-level has the remnants of a man-made canal-sea-way running out of its western side, which once connected directly into the Pacific - at sea-level ! The uplifting of the mountain chains was by no means confined to pre-human geological eras!
No doubt there were many other exoduses of groups of people, who for one reason or another, elected to set up their own separate nations elsewhere on the earth, outside of the jurisdiction of the Empire of The Sun. There are always dissidents and malcontents in even the best-run countries, as well as people of a pioneering and independent spirit.
It was probably such a group who settled in the northern part of America and became the forerunners of the Red Men. (I personally agree with Churchward, when he comments that too many scientists have vastly overrated the Bering Land Bridge and an alleged mass-migration of Mongoloids into America, via the Aleutians and Alaska! With him, I also believe that the indigenous natives of America were never Mongols!)
The Destruction of Mu.
The final destruction of Mu came with disastrous suddenness. Although there had been a danger-signal of sorts a couple of centuries earlier, in the southern region, when a great earthquake struck without warning, accompanied by volcanic outbursts (explosions of subterranean gas-chambers?) and huge tidal waves. The people eventually recovered from the shock and had rebuilt the ruined cities and resumed their trade.
This time, however, it was the real thing. According to the ancient Troano Manuscript, the entire continent (or all three sectors of it) was suddenly shaken by mighty earthquakes, and rolled and heaved like the oceans waves. The land trembled and shook like the leaves of a tree in a storm. Temples and palaces came crashing to the ground and monuments and statues were overturned. The cities became heaps of ruins.... It then goes on to recount how the land rose and fell, quivered and shook, and that the fires of the underneath * burst forth, piercing the clouds in roaring flames, three miles in diameter! (* No doubt Churchwards much scorned gas-chambers. GF)
Then follows a general description of the sheer living hell that Mu became, under a thick pall of black smoke, with enormous tidal waves rolling in across the plains, destroying everything before them. The agonized cries of the people filled the air as the red sun sank angrily below the dark horizon. Mu, save us! During that hideous night, which was rent by huge lightning flashes and thunderous roarings, the doomed land sank into a great abyss of fire. Flames shot up around and enveloped her......Mu and sixty-four million people were sacrificed!
As Mu sank into the gulf of fire, says Churchward, another force claimed her - fifty millions of square miles of water. From all sides huge waves or walls of water came rolling in over her. They met where once was the centre of the land (or lands?). Here they seethed and boiled. In this manner was the continent of Mu destroyed. For nearly 13,000 years, the destruction of this great civilization cast a heavy pall of darkness over the greater part of the earth....
Churchward then goes on to explain how, after the cataclysm, ridges and points of land here and there, remained protruding out of the water, and these were thus made into islands, which were very jagged and broken by the volcanic activity beneath them. All of them were covered by such people as had escaped the sinking of Mu, which was now a seething and steaming bed of muddy water all around them. The waters gradually settled and became calm and rested as if satisfied by their grim work of destruction, and this is the Pacific Ocean. Was ever a name more ironically applied to anything on earth?
Descent Into Savagery.
Then follows a woeful description of the pitiful plight of these survivors, who had been left destitute of all their shelter, clothing, tools -and, above all else - of food. It was amid this dreadful scene of steaming waters and clouds of drifting ash and smoke, that most of them perished, and those few who remained took their first step backward into the dark depths of savagery as they finally found themselves having to resort to cannibalism in order to survive!
This was but the beginning of a deep descent into the lowest state of humanity, which was to remain a traditional way of life in the Pacific region for thousands of years to come. Cannibalism was still rife in many of the Pacific islands, even during my own lifetime in the early to mid-1900s!
The Legacy of Mu.
However, although Mu herself was no more, her splendid civilization continued on for several generations in her colonies, before eventually fading away due to lack of cohesive central support from the vanished motherland. No doubt, we owe much of our modern civilization today, to that ancient Motherland in the Pacific Ocean, by way of the various great civilizations which she spawned first in Atlantis, then India, the Americas, China, Egypt, and finally, in Greece and Rome.
It would seem that many of the inventions and skills that were common to the Muvians and Atlanteans, are now simply being re-discovered by modern man, who probably still has a great deal yet to re-learn - if indeed he is willing to also learn from the mistakes of the past, and thus avoid having to repeat them!
Of course, Churchward had much more to say about Mu, but I think this potted version of his findings should be sufficient for the purposes of this particular thesis. However, one cant help but pause and wonder what Churchward would have made of those gigantic, stepped underwater monuments of Yonaguni! Now let us move on to consider other interesting speculations on the origins and history of our human species!
Lemuria.
Lemuria was an alleged lost continent that supposedly lay between the east coast of Africa and the south west of India. It was so named by the English zoologist, Philip L. Sclater, as a possible home of the alleged Missing Link between humans and the anthropoid apes. It was believed that Africa and India had, at one time in the distant past, been linked to each other and to Madagascar and South East Asia. This was by some sort of land-bridge, a now-sunken isthmus which permitted the pro-simians (lemurs, bush-babies, pottos and lorises) to migrate freely between the two lands. (Lemurs, it should be added, are a species of small, agile, arboreal mammals, somewhere between monkeys and squirrels, although they are actually closely related to the former and are officially classified as primates.)
The Continent That Never Was?
During the 1860s, pro-Darwinian zoologists believed that such an isthmus or land-bridge could account for the strange isolation of the pro-simians in these widely-separated locations. Further scientific interest was aroused in the 1870s when a German scientist, Ernst Haekel proposed that this same missing continent might also have been the true origin of humanity. Sadly, before the real truth of the situation had been discovered - that Africa and India had once been joined together, before splitting apart, and thus allowing India to move northward by continental drift - various leading occultists had seized upon this idea of Lemuria being the origin of the first men, and had developed some weird and wonderful ideas of how humans had developed.
Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, the famous psychic and occultist, who founded the Theosophical Society, claimed to have had contact through psychic means with the Brotherhood of Mahatmas (a group of ethereal beings who purported to run the world from their Tibetan headquarters), and that, among other amazing things, they had revealed the true emergence of life on the earth. Without going into the subject too deeply, she was told that there are seven Root Races of beings destined to occupy the earth, and that we present-day humans are the Fifth such Race. After us, there are still two more yet to come. Apparently, the Sixth will evolve out of us and go back to occupy Lemuria, then the Seventh and final Root Race will leave this planet altogether and start over again upon the planet Mercury! (All Ill say about that is Good luck to them, and I hope they remember to take their fireproof underwear!)
To complicate matters even further, each Root Race is said to be composed of seven Sub-Races - the descendants of a Sub-Race of the Fourth Race (who were fully- human Atlanteans) are alleged to be the Australian Aborigines, the Papuans and the Hottentots!
According to the fanciful Madame Blavatsky, some Lemurians had four arms, whilst others had eyes in the backs of their heads which gave them psychic vision. These curious creatures also communicated by telepathy and could move mountains by sheer will-power alone - despite the fact that they possessed no regular brains, as we understand them! The whole thing sounds like such a farrago of utter nonsense that its hard to believe anyone could possibly subscribe to such a wild concept. And yet, strange as it may seem, she seems to have attracted quite a large following around the world!
Whilst I would dearly love to expand further upon this weird cult, I must keep this account on a fairly basic level, and say that Lemuria is supposed to have occupied nearly the entire Southern Hemisphere, extending from the foothills of the Himalayas almost to the shores of Antarctica, as well as up most of the central Atlantic! Madame Blavatsky died in 1891, and her successor, Annie Besant, continued her work and wrote extensively about Lemuria and its curious inhabitants, as also did another leading British theosophist, W. Scott-Elliot.
He managed to fill out the Lemurian concept considerably with the help of the ethereal Theosophic Masters in Tibet, and wrote a definitive book, The Story of Atlantis and The Lost Lemuria which was published in 1896, and illustrated with six world-maps which showed its stages of development, supplied by the Tibetan Mahatma Masters. I wont even attempt to describe his work here, or that of Madame Blatavsky:The Secret Doctrine , which was published in 1888, and is still to be found by diligent seekers! Scott-Elliots fantastic book reads like super-science-fiction - which it probably is - but it certainly makes for entertaining reading! I can only recommend that readers find it for themselves, and make up their own minds! (The first few chapters should suffice to convince most readers!)
On a slightly more modern note, still other new and fantastic details have been revealed. On May 22nd, 1932, a reporter named Edward Lanser, of the Los Angeles Times, claimed to have spied upon a settlement of Lemurians whom he discovered living on the slopes of Mount Shasta, in northern California! His attention had first been drawn to them whilst on board the night train from California to Oregon, when he noticed some strange coloured lights up on Mount Shasta as they passed by it. The conductor told Lanser that it was Just them Lemurians holding some ceremony. This intrigued him sufficiently to compel him to explore the mountain to find these strange beings, whom hed been told were the last descendants of the first inhabitants of the earth!
In the small town of Weed, close to the mountain, Lanser learned that the Lemurians held their ceremonies both in day-time and night-time, but no one had ever been able to penetrate the colonys sacred precincts. However, there was one local scientist who had found out more about the Lemurians than anyone else, and constantly watched them from his private mountain-top observatory by means of a high-powered astronomical telescope. This was Professor Edgar Larkin, a local celebrity. He said he had observed a splendid temple in the midst of their secret hideout, carved out of marble and onyx, which rivalled even the great Mayan temples of Yucatan. The locals, athough scared of trespassing on the Lemurians obviously sacred territory, claimed that they seemed a friendly and peaceable community, who were simply endeavouring to live the same lifestyle as their forebears had, before their homeland sank under the ocean.
In his newspaper articles, Lanser reported that the local villagers had often met the these Lemurians, and had described them as being tall, barefoot, noble-looking men, with close-cropped hair and dressed in spotless white robes. They were well liked in the village as they purchased large amounts of sulphur, salt and lard, paying handsomely for these goods with large nuggets of gold which they mined within Mount Shasta.
Was it all a Hoax?
The biggest mystery concerning this curious Lemurian community was how they had gone undetected for so long. Lanser explained this in his amazing account. He stated that they possessed the secret powers of the Tibetan Masters, which allowed them to surround their hamlet with an invisible protective boundary to keep out intruders. (Possibly some form of deflector beam). He also stated that their knowledge of science was far greater than that of ordinary humans, and although they (or perhaps their ancestors?) had lived in America - which they called Gustama - for several hundreds of thousands of years, they still remembered their original homeland in the strange ceremonies which they held on the mountains slopes. However, those people who had hitherto set some credence in Lansers reports were sadly disappointed.
Other investigators were totally unable to find any trace of the strange enclave and its equally strange occupants, who either existed only in Lansers mind, or were rendered invisible by their mentors in Tibet! As for the eminent Professor Larkin. He turned out to be a local dabbler in the occult, whose duties were simply to let visitors to his observatory study the stars through a comparatively small telescope. Perhaps luckily for him, he died years before Lansers article was published, so was spared the indignity of becoming a public laughing-stock!
However, Mount Shasta had already figured large in occult debate well prior to Lansers entering the scene. One Frederick S. Oliver published an occult story in 1894, entitled A Dweller On Two Planets, using the pen-name of Phylos The Tibetan in which he, as the narrator, encounters one of the Masters ( a Chinese sage named Quong) on the same mountain, where a community of spiritual sages preserved all the ancient wisdom of their forefathers. He was accepted into their group, and they then took him, in his spirit-body, on a visit to the planet Venus. (Knowing the infernal conditions prevalent on Venus as we now do, he probably thought he was in Hell!) His mentors also taught him to recall all his previous incarnations - which included a life upon Atlantis.
But Then Again...
Despite these apparently linked works of fiction - one presumes that Lanser had read Olivers old book - perhaps one shouldnt be overly hasty to dismiss the entire Lemurian concept as pure fantasy, either. Harking back to our previous mention of Scott-Elliot and his fanciful book, I find that there seems to be a fine golden thread of possible truth running through the generally weird material it contains.
For example, he makes mention of beings from the early planet Venus (presumably prior to it being knocked out of its old orbit between Mars and Jupiter - as I have discussed elsewhere), who strangely enough, were called Lords of The Flame, (and this, remember, was written long before Venus present semi-molten state was ever known to astronomers and cosmologists!).
These Venusians had long ago already developed a highly-advanced civilization upon their planet, and they were able to teach the Lemurians how to attain immortality through repeated incarnations.
(I should perhaps also mention that these same so-called Venusians could well have been the Astridians whom I have postulated as the small humanoid inhabitants of the fifth planet, which orbited where the asteroid-belt now lies (and which I now believe really was Venus), in my first scenario for an alternative birth-planet to Mars of our human species.)
Back to Atlantis!
Later on in his book, Scott-Elliot mentions how the continent of Lemuria began to break up and sink into the ocean bed - apart, that is, from that single portion which extended into the North Atlantic. Two large adjacent pieces of this peninsula still remained after the rest of Lemuria had vanished, and these became the so-called continent of Atlantis. (However, we are not told how they reached into the central Atlantic from the Indian Ocean!) These became the home of the first sub-Race of the Fourth Root Race, known as the Atlanteans, who, according to the book, later became the forerunners of the Cro-Magnon white race that occupied Europe and Northern Asia! Next came the Tlavatlis, who occupied an Atlantean colony that is now called Mexico. The third sub-Race were the Toltecs, who brought Atlantis into its Golden Age, which lasted for 100,000 years!
A Curious Twist Of Irony.
Thus Scott-Elliots story takes a very interesting turn, and develops in a now-familiar fashion, relating the demise of the two joint islands which formed Atlantis, ending in the final sinking of the last remaining, smaller island, Poseidonis, in the year 9564 BC, and which is told of in Platos story! One ironic twist in this story concerns the larger portion of Atlantis, Daitya, which prior to its submergence, was occupied by another sub-race of Altanteans, who were sorcerers, and were called the Semites. Just before Daitya sank under the waves, a large group of these Semites moved into central Asia, where they then evolved into the Aryans, the Fifth Root Race, to which we now reportedly belong! One cannot help but wonder what Adolf Hitlers reaction would have been, had he read this of this amazing evolution of his proposed Aryan Master-Race out of the Nazis so-called sub-human Untermenschen - the Hebrews! We can only assume that neither Hitler nor Himmler read Scott-Elliots intriguing book!
More Support for Atlantis!
Scott-Elliot also mentioned many of the achievements of the Atlanteans in his book, which tend to reinforce what I have already discovered about these amazing people. Apart from domesticating leopard-like animals (possibly South American jaguars, or perhaps African cheetahs?) and developing the banana plant, they were also great alchemists and manufactured rare and precious metals in vast amounts. Their scientists invented gas-bombs (as well as atomic devices, as we saw earlier), and they also created aircraft which were propelled by the so-called Vril force ( much sought after by Hitlers weapon-scientists during world War II, in their quest for new secret weapons). This vril force was mentally-directed energy that was first assumed to have originated in the fevered-mind of some Victorian Novelist, but now appears to have been an actual, mentally-produced power, akin to that same psychokinesis believed to have been used to raise huge blocks of masonry in ancient building works!
At any rate, as we have seen elsewhere, their aircraft were capable of vertical take-off and hovering, rather like jump-jets of today, and, if Scott-Elliot is to be believed, they could fly at a speed of around 100 mph, up to a thousand feet in altitude! (Although, given all their other remarkably advanced technological powers, I am somewhat surprised that the Atlanteans should have been so greatly inhibited in both speed and height with their aircraft!)
Steiners Atlanteans.
There was one other controversial writer on Lemuria and Atlantis, who also gives highly-detailed accounts of both continents. This was an Austrian ex-theosophist, named Rudolph Steiner. He broke away from the Theosophists in 1907, and formed his own separate cult, the Anthroposophical Society. His book, Cosmic Memory: Atlantis and Lemuria, was published in 1923, and is apparently still in print and available through Rudolph Steiner Publications, which also publishes other classics on Atlantis, such as those of Ignatius Donelly and Le Plongeon.
Steiners view of Lemuria And Atlantis is alleged to stem from the Akasha Chronicle which is a spiritual record of the past, apparently available only to true psychic initiates. However, from all accounts, much of his concept has seemingly been culled from Madame Blavatskys original Theosophic writings. He describes the Lemurians as simple-minded, but possessed of enormous will-power which enabled them to raise and manipulate great weights, a faculty which they seemingly passed on to the Atlanteans. They also had souls, which their predecessors apparently didnt have, and they had begun to develop some form of rudimentary speech. Ill skip over their other biological and rather fantastic sexual and reproductive development, as this isnt of any particular relevance to this study, and, to my mind, ruins an otherwise entertaining yarn!
Steiner goes on to claim that both the Lemurians and Atlanteans did not possess the ability to reason, but that they had excellent memories, and were educated in such a fashion as to be able to hold (like a computer) a vast store of mental images and data in their minds, and thus (again in the manner of the modern computer), they were able to solve problems by recalled precedents. However, new and unprecedented situations left them greatly bemused, since they simply did not compute! They apparently also possessed certain magical word powers of command, which they could employ to heal the sick or tame wild animals. This, of course, smacks very much of Jesus Christ, and I think Steiner might have been attempting to endow these people with Godlike powers beyond their station! He, too, like Scott-Elliot (from whom he clearly also borrowed as freely as from Madame Blavatsky), spoke of the Atlantean Semites evolving into the Aryan race, and acquiring, along the way, the ability to reason and develop consciences, and to refine these qualities up to our modern, human standard.
A Load of Nonsense, or a Grain of Truth?
It would be very easy to toss out all of these concepts as the ramblings of tortured minds, and dismiss their authors as demented cranks and lunatics, but I suppose the same could be (and has been) said of the worlds religions - especially of Christianity, since many of the worlds most sceptical people are of the white race, which largely chose Christianity above the other major religions. However, when one thinks of the vast multitude of people in the world who are entirely convinced of the existence of supernatural beings, with powers and forces that supervene those of nature, one has to ponder whether we really know enough about such unseen spiritual and psychic powers to be able to rule it all out as impossible! I feel one must keep an open mind on this.
Every day, we hear of amazing events and occurrences which seem to fly in the face of logic and common-sense. Things that simply cannot be explained by any rational means. Thus I believe that one needs to maintain an open mind about such things, and hope that one day, the real truth of such phenomena might be made clear to us. I certainly tend to believe personally that there is more to our universe and ourselves than we are currently aware of. Perhaps there is another dimension of mind and self which we have largely lost the ability to tap into - rather like that elusive fifth dimension of physics which plagued Albert Einstein ? Maybe this is what we call spirituality? At the risk of sounding repetitive, I can only quote again those famous words of Shakespeares Hamlet: There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy!
What then, are we to believe regarding the lost continent of Lemuria, and all its totally outlandish Root-Races and so forth? Is it all just a lot of balderdash produced by warped minds and fobbed on to a gullible public for the notoriety and aggrandizement of people like Blavatsky and her followers and imitators, such as Scott-Elliot, Steiner, etc? Or might there be a grain of truth in it all?
Conclusions on Lemuria.
Certainly, the famous occultists seem to comfortably accept that there was a large continent where Lemuria is purported to have been, and many ancient maps of the world showed a large continent in the Southern Hemisphere, long before the Theosophists got hold of the notion. This was the famous Terra Australis Incognita (Unknown Southern Land) which the geographers of bygone times believed to exist in order to balance up the globe. Many students think this was Australia, but alas, according to Captain James Cook, Australia, although as large as the USA, just wasnt big enough to fill the bill, and he could find no other continent that did. Ironically, Cook sailed right around the Antarctic ice-shelf without realizing it concealed a gigantic land-mass! (Although, in my humble opinion, had he actually discovered it, the Antarctic continent might well have proved to be precisely the Terra Australis Incognita he was looking for!)
Its also interesting to note that Lemuria was (and still is) frequently regarded as interchangeable with Mu, and we have read how Atlantis appears to have been considered to be an offshoot of Lemuria, so it does seem to have its place in the general scheme of things pertaining to Lost Continents. Even the famous clairvoyant-seer, Edgar Cayce, appears to have acknowledged Lemuria, but as The Land of Mu, rather than as any Indian Oceanic continent. He seems to have disagreed greatly with the Theosophic standpoint regarding Lemuria in all aspects, including their descriptions of the evolution of humans from jelly-like creatures! Though I must say that, in my opinion, there is really little to choose between either party, since they all drew their knowledge and information from occult, spiritual sources!
Casting The Final Vote.
I suppose that, if I had to make a casting-vote for or against the existence of such a vanished continent as Lemuria, I think I would have to vote against it ever having existed - at least in the form described by the Theosophists - and with the weird inhabitants its alleged to have had. Perhaps there was an isthmus or continent there once, which might conceivably linger in racial-memory, but if so, it was probably India itself, in its original situation as a separating portion of ancient Pangaea or Gondwanaland, when ocean-floor rifting and crustal-expansion of the planet began to separate the continents from each other.
We really have no true idea if mankind had, or had not yet appeared upon this planet at that far-off epoch, whether by Divine Fiat or by colonization from Mars. Every new hypothesis that comes along seems to push back the antiquity of our species by more millions of years. So only a brash fool with the arrogant self-assuredness of a Darwin or a Wallace would be so presumptuous as to state categorically that we couldnt have been around in those early days! Thus, sadly, however much I would have wished to have believed it otherwise, I have to confess that I believe that Lemuria was simply another name for Mu!
Hyperborea And Ultima Thule.
Most of our quest for ancient civilizations has thus far been focused largely upon the Pacific region and the Southern Hemisphere. Now I think we should perhaps consider a couple of legendary lands which have been perpetuated in the folk-history of the Scandinavian and Germanic peoples, even though these legends owe some of their origins to the ancient Greeks and the Aryans of Central Asia. Two major mystic and magical lands spring to mind here; Hyperborea and Ultima Thule - which both feature greatly in Nordic mythology, besides having, from all accounts, actually existed somewhere within the Arctic regions of the world in ancient times! However, before we go in search of concrete evidence, lets consider some of the legendary background for both of these places - which might well have been one and the same!
Hyperborea.
the first mention we find of the Hyperboreans, is in the mythology of ancient Greece, before the time of Homer. However, Herodotus mentions them as being part of the legendary Theban epic, and being in some way connected with the cult of Apollo, the sun-god, and that their homeland was in a paradise-like country beyond the North Wind, which indicates a region that may now lie within the Arctic Circle, or certainly in the far North Atlantic! The Hyperborians according to this same source, were alleged to live for a thousand years, but they had a tradition that any who tired of such a long life could end it in a ritual suicide ceremony, whereby the person involved was decked with floral garlands and allowed to jump off a high pinnacle into the sea!
Other legends seem to indicate that it was that happy land lying to the west, towards the setting sun, The Garden of the Hesperides, where trees bore golden fruit; the Elysian Fields or even the Happy Isles! Generally, it is believed to have been a veritable paradise on earth, and may have been an island lying somewhere between the Azores and Iceland, which, like Atlantis, sank beneath the waves after some great catastrophe. There are some scholars who directly connect the two, and claim that Hyperborea was, in fact, the lost continent of Atlantis!
My own view, after scanning some of the mythology surrounding Hyperborea and Thule, is that its possible that they could have been the same place. It really all depends upon how far back the original legends go. If they are traceable to the time of the establishment of the Egyptian nation, since they figure in the Theban epic, then it is possible that they go far back in time to the period prior to the last polar shift. In which case, much of the land that now lies within the Arctic Circle was then warm to temperate country, richly carpeted with grasslands and forests, and all of Natures bounty, both vegetable and animal.
Its even possible that we need look no farther than the British Isles, since these would have been well to the far north-west of both Egypt and Greece! (We have to avoid the pitfall of allowing our northern European or American concept of the north-west to cloud our geographic thinking!) However, at that distant point in time, both Britain and Ireland would have been the most north-westerly part of the European land-mass, since, because much of the worlds ocean water was locked up in ice, the English Channel and the North Sea were both dry land then. However, there seems to be a distinct hint in the legends that both Hyperborea and Ultima Thule were always islands, so perhaps this would tend to rule out Britain and Ireland.
My first conclusion is that both were actually the same place, with Greenland as Ultima Thule and Iceland as Thule. Although they are connected geologically, under the ocean, Ultima Thule and Thule seem to be separated in mythology into two distinct islands, and, since the name Ultima Thule implies furthest away, then Thule must have been closer to Europe than it. The obvious candidate for Thule then, must be Iceland. According to Pytheas, a famous Greek navigator of the 4th century BC, Thule was a six-day sea-voyage north of Britain, though whether by sail or by oar-power isnt stated, but it seems to set the location of Thule as modern Iceland. Common sense would then suggest that Ultima Thule had to be Greenland. However, what if both were once united in one unsubmerged land-mass - the continent of Hyperborea?
The Arctic Homeland: Hyperborea.
To discover more about the mythos surrounding Hyperborea, we must look to the works of various older authorities on such somewhat esoteric mysteries. Jean-Sylvain Bailly, 1736-1793), who was an astronomer and a mystic, comments that: It is a very remarkable thing that enlightenment appears to have come from the North, against the common prejudice that the earth was enlightened, as it was populated, from the South... He then goes on to point out that, according to all the legends and ancient wisdom, as humanity began to reconstitute itself after the Noahic Deluge, the purest stream of civilization descended from Northern Asia into India, which to this day carries evidence of having the most ancient astronomical system on earth. He continues on to point out that, in most of the ancient mythologies of the world, there appears to be a race-memory of a racial origin in the far North and a subsequent gradual migration southward.
Another great scientific mind of the same era, the Comte de Buffon, placed the first civilizations in northern and central Asia, east of the Caspian Sea, but he seemed to be in general agreement with Bailly about a northern origin for mankind, rather than a Middle Eastern or Southern one. Rev. Dr. W.F. Warren, who was president of Boston University and belonged to several learned societies, revived the polar origin theory for mankind in a book published in 1885: Paradise Found, of which the thesis was That the cradle of the human race...was situated at the North Pole, in a country submerged at the time of the Deluge.
His theory compared very well with all the relevant sciences and comparative mythology - especially that of Germany. Warren was a Christian and an avowed anti-Darwinist, and he utterly rejected the concept of man having evolved from the ape, through a period of primitive savagery. He believed that the earliest men were the noblest and the longest-lived, and it was only after the Deluge, that humanity began to take on the feeble lineaments of ourselves. At least, in his work he reveals some amazing insight into what could have caused the Deluge, through Gods Hand, by pointing out that, after the survivors of the polar flood settled in their north Asian exile, they found the skies (or heavens) tilted in respect to the way they had known them: the North Star was no longer overhead, and he mentions that they perfectly understood why this was so....but their rude descendants, unfavoured with the treasures of antediluvian science, and born only to a savage, nomadic life.... might easily have forgotten the explanation - which was that, instead of the human horizon, it was the earth that had shifted! Here, at long last, we get the first oblique mention of a polar shift!
Support from India.
Bal Gangadhar Tilak (1856-1920), a renowned pioneer protagonist of Indian Independence at the turn of the century, was also a scholar in astronomy and Vedic antiquities, who among other feats, was able to place the oldest Indian Vedic civilization at around 4500 BC.
Tilak was jailed by the British for his anti-British writings for several years, and this time he put to good use in studying the Veda scripts, in relation to known astronomical and geological events. He published his findings in a work: The Arctic Home of The Vedas, in 1903. In this he stated that, according to his readings of the Vedas, the original Arctic home of humanity was destroyed around 10,000 - 8,000 BC by the last Ice Age, and that from 8,000 - 3000 BC, was the Age of Wandering, before they Vedic people finally settled in India between 5,000 - 3000 BC. By then, he went on to add, they had already begun to forget their Arctic origins, and their traditions had begun to go rapidly downhill.
As we have seen in earlier accounts, his timing of this cataclysm fits in very closely with what we know of the destruction of Atlantis and Mu, so we can attribute it to the same cause - a sudden polar shift, resulting in both tidal waves and tectonic upheavals followed by a very rapid relocation of the polar ice-caps: the so-called Ice Age. So, we have the destruction of Mu, dated very approximately at 12,000 years ago, that of Atlantis around 10-12,000 years ago, and, according to best estimates, the destruction of Hyperborea also at around the same time-frame of 10-12,000 years ago. Could this then, be also the time of the Biblical Flood one wonders?
As far as Im able to determine by reading sundry authorities, this would seem to be the case. So its up to my readers to resolve for themselves whether this is a pure coincidental matter, or whether God chose to bring about the cleansing of an evil and disobedient world by means of a purely natural catastrophic event - which would seem to be a perfectly logical thing to do if One were the Supreme Intellect, who created the entire Universe along purely logical lines!
Ancient Indian texts seem to point most clearly to the fact that the Arctic region was the realm of the ancient gods since they specifically mention that it is where the sun rises and sets only once a year - which demonstrates that the writers had a clear knowledge of the astronomical situation at the North Pole. Of course, they were quite right, since the sun only appears above the horizon for six months of the year, and is below it for the remaining six months! The question here is How did those ancient Indians know this?
The obvious answer is because it was recorded in the Vedic Hymns, which speak of The Dawn of Many Days and The Thirty Dawn Sisters Circling Like A Wheel. When applied to the Pole, these terms make good sense, since the sun takes exactly a month to actually appear above the horizon after the four-month night. I say four-month rather than six here, because the sun also takes a further month each year, to set. So, adopting for a moment the ancient world calendar of ten months, theres a polar twilight of one month, followed by a night of four months. Then a dawn of one month, followed by a day of four months! The Vedas are thus correct in every detail regarding the polar night and day, even though written thousands of years ago! Obviously, these ancient forebears of the Indian people, the Aryans, knew this from first-hand experience!
The oldest Vedic year had only two principal divisions, which were called devas and pitras; names which correlated with the Day of The Gods and the Night of The Gods. This, curiously enough, is very reminiscent of another dramatic piece of Germanic Aryan mythology - Gottdammerung - The Twilight of The Gods- which is a strangely-apt connection with the Vedic-Aryan Polar Year!
The Advent of The Big Freeze.
We learn from the Zoroastrian scholar, H. S. Spencers Aryan Ecliptic Cycle(1965) that the Aryan ecliptic cycle ran from approximately 25,500 BC to 300 BC, from their residence in the polar homeland during the Interglacial Age (or Inter Pole-Shifts Age, depending on ones persuasion!), to their being compelled to leave it because of the presence firstly, of giant reptiles (dinosaurs!), and then the advent of intense cold and snow. (Its important to bear in mind that the same effect would be taking place at the South Pole, also.) The Big Freeze occurred about 10-12,000 BC - and was just one of several natural cataclysms of that period which destroyed Atlantis, Lemuria (Mu), and the Gobi Sea (now the Gobi Desert) - and also resulted in the flooding of the Mediterranean Basin, as well as creating the Triton Sea in North Africa! From the now untenable Pole, the migrating Aryans had to fight their way south against not only the forces of nature, but also against the indigenous Asian tribes, including suffering a term of enslavement by the Turanians (the Turks).
Religious Influences of the Aryans.
However, by 8,500 BC they ruled their own empire in Bactria, where they continued to worship their god, Mazda, whom they had apparently held as their chief deity among several, for at least 19,000 years BC! It was Zoroaster (or Zarathustra) who introduced Mazdan monotheism around 7100 BC. The Persian Aryans stayed true to their faith, but the Indian branch of the Aryans joined in the local polytheism, only changing over to Hinduism when they believed Zarathustra had been reincarnated as Krishna around 4000 BC.
It is also interesting to note that (according to Spencer) the European Aryans accepted this same reincarnated spirit of Krishna (or Chrishna) as Jesus Christ! The religious influence of these Aryans was to have a great impact upon all the surrounding religions in promoting the supremacy of a Male concept of God over the Female, which had hitherto dominated Egypt, Babylon, Sumeria, and the Semites, who had all previously worshipped predominantly female maternal goddesses.
Atlantis and Thule.
As we have gleaned thus far from Platos Discourses, Atlantis was thought to have arisen in the middle of the Atlantic, opposite the Pillars of Hercules - The Straits of Gibraltar. And so it was always believed for centuries, until this was challenged in the 18th century by Olaf Rudbeck, who claimed the lost kingdom as having been his native land of Sweden! This started a new trend of thought among the scholars, and Bailly, (whom we met earlier) became convinced that Atlantis had been much further north than had hitherto been supposed, and suggested either Spitzbergen, Greenland or Nova Zemlya as possible sites.
Rudbeck rationalized that, because the rotary movement of the planet close to the poles was so much less, the atmosphere might well have been less agitated, thus making it in reality a place of eternal spring. Through this idea, he identified his Altlanteans as actually being the legendary Hyperboreans, living in their golden Garden of the Hesperides close to the North Pole!
A Place of Perpetual Spring near The Pole?
Despite the original report by the Greek, Pytheas, around 300 BC, that he had reached a sea of ice just one day north of Thule - which he evidently thought was in fact, Iceland, he was disbelieved, and the myth still persisted that a warm polar sea existed around the Pole, with a very clement land environment surrounding it. Even Columbus believed it and sailed 300 miles north beyond Iceland before reaching ice-bound waters. Most of his critics discredited this feat, as they believed the northern Atlantic to be impassable. (However, it was Columbus feat which caused later explorers to search those same northerly Arctic oceans for the legendary North West Passage into the Pacific!) However, I fear that Im digressing!
Atlantean Nazis?
It was the Roman historian, Tacitus, who started the Germanic people believing that they were the descendants of these Atlantean-Hyperborean Aryans from the North Pole. He had already remarked that he could hardly believe people would choose to live in such a rigorous climate as that of Germany, let alone anywhere further north, but it was he who later agreed with those who believed the Germans to be a pure race, who had never intermarried with any other, and that this was shown by their distinct familial likeness, both physically and in character, even though they were a numerous race. They all had stern blue eyes, fair to ruddy hair and large, strong physiques.
It was this Nordic Aryan, tall, blond image, projected by Tacitus, that was later to become the racial ideal of the Hitlerian Nazis - despite Hitler himself and many of his Nazi colleagues, being short and dark-haired, and typically Southern European in general appearance!
This led to the concept of a Nazi Thule, the three god-fathers of which were Von List, Von Liebenfels, and Von Sebottendorff. All three were mere pretenders to grandeur and had added the nobly-suggestive Von to their plain family names. This in itself was a classical symptom of the Master-Race delusion, as they all firmly believed themselves to be of this chosen aristocratic Aryan race.
I could pursue this Nazi-Aryan association and their Thule Society at great length, but, although it may of great significance in terms of racial distinction and discrimination - as witnessed by their subsequent anti-Semitism - it has relatively little to do with the actual racial origins of mankind as a whole. The Nazi attempt at world domination is now relegated to the political history of the world, which is not the province of this work. Readers wishing to learn more about the Nazi-Thule mythos should read Joscelyn Godwins absorbing book: Arktos - The Polar Myth.
However, in that same book, Godwin does unearth many interesting points regarding the Boreal Race, whether they were Altlanteans or whatever. He says that two major and distinct streams issued forth from these people during their migrations, one from north to south, and the other, at a later time, from west to east.
These Hyperboreans took with them the same spirit, bloodline and system of communication, symbolic, written or spoken, first to North America, and then to the Northern Eurasia. Tens of thousands of years later, a second wave of Hyperborean migrants appear to have thrust as far south as Central America, and to have settled principally in a vanished land situated in the Atlantic region, founding there a centre in the image of the polar one. (The emphasis is mine). In this regard, he continues, quoting Evola, one should properly speak of a Nordic-Atlantic race and civilization.
Decline and Fall.
In Evolas view, says Godwin, the latter, Atlantean stream, became polluted with telluric (earthy) and demonic elements from the even more ancient Lemurians, (the Muvians) whose distant descendants survive in the dark races. From this blending came the cults of the Mother and of the Earth, which would forever remain in opposition to the original cult of the Sun, preserving the purer Nordic stream.
We have already seen how the Atlanteans were far more concerned with aggression and sorcery than those nations they tried to dominate, so they do not really deserve to be compared with the still-pure Nordic Aryans. However, as history shows, even the most pure and racially-clean nations eventually succumb to their own glory and go into moral decline. As, much later on, would also the Egyptians, the Greeks and the Romans.
What Became of Hyperborea?
One would imagine that after the Hyperborean region became a frozen waste of ice and snow that it would cease to feature in world mythology, except perhaps as a fondly-remembered homeland in the race-memory of the Aryans and perhaps the Atlanteans. However, this would be far from the case! As mentioned earlier, that first group of Hyperboreans who migrated to Atlantis were very much given to sorcery and conquest, whilst those who went to Asia, retained much of their pure character.
Could this signify a division of the Hyperboreans into two moral factions? Those who chose the Left-Hand Path and those who preferred to follow the Right? Perhaps this might account for the first contingent (the Atlanteans) leaving Thule so much earlier than those who became the Aryans.
Obviously, if there was a gap of thousands of years between the two groups leaving the Pole, it seems to infer that perhaps the first group were expelled from their homeland by the rest of the inhabitants. Clearly, the second, Aryan group only left because of the ice cataclysm which overtook their homeland and did not initially seek anything other than a place to live in peace. This would seem to indicate that they were of quite a different and more peaceable nature to their Atlantean cousins. Maybe, in this expulsion of the first group from this Garden of The Hesperides we are seeing some sort of parallel to the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden?
Shambhala, Agartha, and The Hole at The Pole.
That there was some further mystery related to the Boreal region, is indicated in the myth of Shambhala, which is supposed to have emanated from the early lamas of Tibet. It is thought to have been an ancient realm once located somewhere in Asia - possibly in the Gobi - when what is now an arid desert was still the Gobi Sea. It was thought to have been an island realm, called the Sacred Island which, in many respects, seems to have been strangely similar to Thule or Hyperborea.
The mystery deepens when we learn that its inhabitants were the last survivors of the White Island which had perished long ages earlier! According to Madame Blavatsky, the inhabitants were descended from her Lemurians, but, since this information was alleged to be from a Theosophist, spiritual origin, we might be wiser in concluding that they were more likely to have been from Hyperboria-Thule!
Shambhala.
From some of the accounts available, Shambhala appears to have been a centre of spiritual enlightenment, very reminiscent of James Hiltons Shangri-La, but others say that it was a centre of occult power and arcane teaching. Its leader was thought variously to be either an evil, tyrannical Sorcerer-King or a God-like Lord of The World. We seem to be left with a choice as to which story we prefer to follow, and evidently which Path one desires to follow, too. The evil Left, or the good Right!
Apparently there were two factions (as in Hyperborea), one of which followed the Golden Sun, and the other the Black Sun. (The Black Sun, incidentally, was as prominent an emblem of the Nazi mythos as was the Swastika!) According to Jean-Claude Frére, author of Nazisme et Sociétiés Secretès, the people of Hyperborea, after migrating to the Gobi Desert over 6000 years ago, founded a new centre, which they named Agartha. It became a great centre of world learning, and people flocked there from all over the world to enjoy its culture and civilization.
However, a huge catastrophe supervened, and the earths surface was devastated, but the realm of Agartha somehow survived, under the earth. The legend continues to relate that, as with the original Hyperboreans, the Aryans now split into two factions: one group heading north-west, hoping to return to their lost Hyperborea, and the second going south, where they founded a new secret centre under the Himalayas.
Jean-Claude Frére concludes: The sons of the Outer Intellegences split into two groups, one following the Right Hand Path under the Wheel of The Golden Sun, the other the Left Hand Path under the Wheel of the Black Sun. The first preserved the centre of Agartha, that undefined place of contemplation, of the Good, and of the Vril force. The second supposedly created a new place of initiation at Shambhala, the city of violence in command of the elements and human masses, hastening the arrival of the charnel-house of time.
The Aryan Swastika.
In this connection of Right and Left Hand Paths, its interesting to note that the swastika, which is a true Aryan symbol and represents a square wheel, has a duality in its symbolism. The right-handed swastika represents the Wheel of the Golden Sun and the Right Hand path of Good, whereas the opposite applies to the left-handed swastika. Hitler chose the right-handed swastika as the emblem of his Nazi Party because it was the Aryan symbol of power and good fortune. The left-handed and far more appropriate one, he rejected fearing it might bring him evil and misfortune! That he was in error on both counts, is a matter of history!
Asgaard- Agartha.
Asgaard in Norse mythology, is the Home of the Gods - rather like Olympus is to the Greeks, and strangely, a French student of Indian mythology, named Louis Jacolliot, tells us in one of his books on the subject, Le Fils de Dieu (The Sons of God), how local Brahmin priests in Villenoor told him the story of a place called Asgartha. It was known as the City of The Sun, and was the ancient seat of Brahmatma. It appeared to date back to 13,000 BC, and Jacolliot claimed it was there long before the advent of the Aryans. He completely discredited the Aryans, saying that they were merely a break-away caste of Brahmins. In 10,000 BC, these Aryan Brahmins rebelled against their priestly masters and took over Asgartha, forging an alliance with the other priests, who under their leadership became a warrior caste, instead.
Later, in 5,000 BC, two Norse brothers, Ioda and Skandah, who invaded Hindustan from the Himalaya region, finally destroyed Asgartha, before being driven away by the Brahmin warrior-priests. These two, continued northward, back to their homeland, the land of the Norsemen. Here they became immortalised as Odin and Scandinavia. The Norse remembered the story so well, that when they set off to pillage Rome, they cried: We go to sack Asgaard, the City of The Sun! Thus the legend of Agartha was born, and it continued to crop up in legends always connected with the Aryans, the Brahmahatma, and various mysterious Mahatmas - including those who communicated with Madame Blavatsky and her Theosophists!
Beneath the Earths Surface!
Eventually, another French mystic investigator, Saint-Yves dAlveydre, in 1886 revealed in his book, Mission of India, that Agartha is a hidden land beneath the surface of the earth, ruled over by a black sovereign Pontiff, called the Brahmatma. He goes on to say that the realm was shifted underground around 3,200 BC, at the beginning of the Kali Yuga (or Golden Age) and that Agartha has known technology such as artificial lighting, mechanised transport, and even air-travel, far in advance of our own modern technology, for millennia! Periodically, Agartha sends emissaries to the upper world, about which it keeps astonishingly well informed. Agartha also has huge libraries which enshrine the whole wisdom of the ages, engraved in stone. Many great secrets lie there, regarding many esoteric and spiritual subjects, including amazing skills and abilities long-forgotten by those who dwell on the surface.
Fiction, Fantasy or Fact?
His book, which reads like pure science-fantasy, bears a great resemblance to Bulwer-Lyttons book The Coming Race, which also tells of an underground world of high-tech beings possessed of that mysterious Vril force, so keenly sought by the Nazis in World War II, and who will one day emerge from their subterranean realm to take over the surface! Saint-Yves insists that such a day really is coming, and that we will be totally defenceless against these super-beings, who will become the true world-rulers. Nor is he the only one to insist that this is true! Many other authors, mystics and investigators have attempted to solve this whole mystery, with varying degrees of success or failure. However, most generally agree that Agharta and Shambhala seem to be closely connected, either as being one and the same place, or as two totally opposed realms, one of light and goodness the other of darkness and evil.
The Holes at the Poles.
However, it is only comparatively recently that they have again captured public attention through the alleged NASA photographs of the so-called Hole at the Pole, which seem to lend some positive evidence to what had been suspected for centuries. Namely, that there has always been a hole or portal at either pole giving access to an inner Earth, somewhat akin to Rice-Burroughs famous Pellucidar, but with a highly advanced people and technology, instead of the wild, prehistoric surroundings, savages and animals with which Burroughs furnished his subterranean world!
Scholars have written about these polar holes for centuries, and it would take several pages to go through their theories and notions, so I will avoid retelling the many legends of these entrances to the underworld. Some suggested giant maelstroms, down which careless sailors could be swept,. Others spoke of them as the portals of Hell itself. Yet others went so far as to describe fantastic voyages, whereby sailors entered at one pole and emerged safely at the other, after sailing an internal ocean and seeing a whole new world within, lit by a central sun! Science-fiction is no new thing! However, to return to our subject. Let us consider some of the more modern views on this fascinating concept.
In 1926, a young New England student, named Amadeo Giannini, had an epiphanous experience during which he was taken upon an angelically-conducted tour of a land beyond the polar regions, and shown the great, magical secret of the earth. That instead of us being dwellers upon the outside shell of the globe, we are in fact, living inside it! The stars of the interior sky are actually simply distorted visions of the underside of the heavenly sky, although the sun actually exists in the centre of the earth - though he does not present a coherent account of why (or how) it sets at night, or rises in the morning.
Gianninis cosmology is, to say the least, unique, in that he is able to shift the inner earths shape to suit every difficulty he encounters. Sometimes it seems flat, and at others it is tire-shaped, like a doughnut! Often his picture is of an infinite flattened disc with the earth surrounded by a polar-style ice barrier. Above, below and beyond all this disc-world the heavens extend into infinity. He even supported his wild fantasies with the discovery of land beyond the South Pole by Sir George Wilkins 1928 expedition, and also with Rear-Admiral Richard Byrds polar fights in 1947. Then, later still, he alleged that the U.S. expedition of 1956 had flown over 2000 miles beyond the South Pole! Naturally, Gianninis ideas were ridiculed, although he did attract a lot of keen attention from the flying-saucer fraternity.
There have been several other claimants to indisputable knowledge of the existence of these polar holes, and some have even heard first-hand accounts of trips in flying-saucers into their depths! However, here we are entering into another realm altogether, as there are thoseUFOlogists who believe that flying-saucers are not from outer space at all, but are actually Vimana craft sent from the Inner Earth, to keep watch upon our outer surface activities! But who can really say if this is true or not?
The King of The World.
Whilst this entire business of Shambala and/or Agharta might appear to be merely a fantasy, there are many who believe that they really exist, either as an underground realm, or as a lost city, hidden away somewhere in the Himalayas. It is also called Paradesa, the University of Esoteric Knowledge, and a large number of travellers and mystics claim to have visited the city over the past century, in search of spiritual and occult enlightenment. The leader of the Aghartans is claimed to be The King Of The World, the Metraton and the High Lord of Agharta, and, according to Ray Palmer and Richard Shaver (who wrote the Shaver Mysteries, published in Amazing Stories in the 1940s), this King Metraton is said to be a Venusian, who came here thousands of years ago from the planet Venus (which was then orbiting between Mars and Jupiter) to instruct and guide our then dawn-age humanity. Despite his enormous age, he still appears as a youthful and very well-developed athletic man!
However, despite this seemingly altruistic desire to help humanity, there are other accounts which say that Agartha is really a centre for evil occult forces bent upon our destruction, and Metraton is identified with Set, the Egyptian god of the Underworld and Evil, who is, in fact, none other than Satan. (The name Satan was originally derived from Set.) It would seem curiously appropriate then that, if this were so, that this Satanic entity should hail from a planet which now so closely resembles the real Hell that Venus has now become!
Also if this person were Satan, his incalculable age yet continuing youth would also be accounted for - just as would his title of Prince of This World, since Satan is thus styled by no less an authority than Jesus Christ, in the New Testament of the Christian Bible! There is some additional support for this concept in the earlier comment that Venus was also referred to as Lucifer, The Morning Star. Lucifer is, of course, the original Archangelic name for Satan!
The Switched Swastika?
Thus we are faced with the possibility that the alleged Right-Hand Path / Left Hand Path positions as they relate to Agharta and Shambala, respectively, might well have been deliberately switched, and that the opposite may be the truth. This could also apply to the direction of rotation of the swastika, to right or left, since, when we compare a swastika with a spiral galaxy - with regard to its arms and direction of rotation - the swastika-emblem of the Nazis then becomes a left-handed one! The Aryan symbol of Evil and Misfortune!
Oddly enough, and whilst we are discussing all these curious coincidences, it is worth remembering that Hell was always believed, even when I was a youngster, to be a huge underworld region deep inside our own earth! Modern Christian thinking has since come up with the concept of a Planet Heaven and a Planet Hell, but perhaps the old beliefs might very well have had some reasonable foundation in fact, if such an evil inner realm of Agartha does actually exist?
Nicholas Roerich.
Before I close this section, I should perhaps make mention of Nicholas Roerich, who was a famous Russian explorer, artist and mystic, who traversed these mysterious regions during the 1920s and 30s in search of adventure and enlightenment. Roerich was particularly interested in the lost realm of Shambala, about which he later wrote a book, entitled simply enough Shambhala, published in 1930, along with Himalayas: Abode of Light and Heart of Asia, among others. At one time, Roerich had possession of a magical stone from another world which was known as the Chintamani Stone.
According to David Hatcher Childress, it was purported in ancient Asian chronicles to have come from the Sirius star system, and is said it been given to Tazlavoo, the one-time Emperor of Atlantis, by an angelic messenger from the skies. Legend has it that this same stone was sent to King Solomon in Israel, from Tibet via a Vimana airship (one of which he was also believed to have personally owned!) The stone, which is said to have had magical properties, is believed to have been Moldavite, a magnetic meteoric stone which is sold in many crystal shops, and is thought to have fallen in a shower of meteors some 15 million years ago. (The great sacred black stone inside the Kabah at Mecca, which all Muslims venerate, is also a large fragment of meteorite, and could well be of the same Moldavite stone).
Roerich wrote of Shambala in his book that: Shambhala itself is the Holy Place, where the earthly world links with the higher states of consciousness...many speculations have been made about the location of the earthly Shambhala. Certain indications put this place in the extreme North, explaining that the rays of the Aurora Borealis are the rays of Shambhalabut this is incorrect. Shambhala is only north in relation to India, being perhaps on the Pamir, in Turkestan, or in the Central Gobi... He associates it with the underground city of Agharti and with the White Island, and that its Splendid Valley is reached via subterranean tunnels and passages from the Himalayas. He further adds that the underground caverns of Central Asia are inhabited to this day by the people called the Agharti, or Chud, and that when the time of purification comes, say the legends, they will emerge in their glory.
The Religion of Shambala.
If one can properly describe it as a religion, according to Roerich, that of Shambala is of Fire. He relates it to the old cults of Fire and Sun, and the Swastika is its emblem, found carved or painted everywhere. He definitively associates it with the Aryan Race. However, it was not only confined to Buddhist temples. He found it also connected to Bön-Po - a pre-Buddhist Black Faith which reveres some mysterious gods of the Swastika. He said that they drew the symbol counter-clockwise or left-handed - which, as weve seen, was the version chosen by the Nazis! (There seems to be some confirmation here that Bön-Po was adopted by the Aghartis.)
Flying Saucers and Atomic Power.
It was on August 5th, 1927, that Roerich and his party had a typical UFO sighting, 20 years before Kenneth Arnold saw his in 1947. We saw, in a direction from north to south, something big and shiny reflecting the sun, like a huge oval moving at great speed. Crossing our camp, this thing changed in its direction from south to south west. And we saw how it dis-appeared in the intense blue sky. We even had time to take our field glasses and saw quite distinctly an oval form with a shiny surface, one side of which was brilliant from the sun.
The King of the World
According to a lama who was travelling with Roerichs group, this was a good omen A very good sign. he said. We are protected. Rigden-Jyepo himself is looking after us! He was referring to the prophesied Lord of Shambalas New Era . The Ruler of The World, Maitreya, the Last Avatar of the Kali Yuga, who was to herald in a New Age - somewhat similar to the manner in which Christ is to bring in the new Millennium of Peace upon the earth. However, there is reference to an esoteric college of astrology, which was to be established in Urga (Ulan Bator, Mongolia) as a centre from which comes the impulse for the imminent renewal of humanity, and to a Lord, King or Ruler of the World who is neither Christ nor Lucifer. Could this perhaps imply the Beast 666 of St. Johns Revelation in the Christian Bible?
Its perhaps of some passing interest to note that, in the early-1980s, a full-page advertisement appeared in all of the worlds leading daily newspapers announcing the imminent revelation of the Maitreya, who, it promised, would appear to everyone in the world simultaneously, whether by direct sight or by television. I personally still have a copy of this advertisement somewhere in my files! (But, as I write this, almost twenty years later, he still hasnt put in an appearance!)
Vril Power
Roerichs wife, Helena, herself a mystic, wrote in her own book, Agni Yoga about the Agni or Fire of Shambhala, and how it will be used in the New Age, describing it as the great eternal energy, this fine imponderable matter which is scattered everywhere and which is within our use at any moment. Roerich himself said of this same power in the 1940s: energies of cosmic fire will approach the earth and create many new conditions of life.
Joscelyn Godwin comments in his intriguing book, Arktos, The Polar Myth, This could be a definition of Bulwer-Lyttons Vril force.....if Nicholas Roerich, the indefatigable worker for world peace, had known the form in which Agni would be compelled to manifest in 1945, he might have been more cautious in recommending it... It seems patently clear that this Agni fire, or Vril force, (which appear to be the same thing) could only have been what we nowadays describe as atomic energy.
So is it any great wonder then that the Nazis sought after it so eagerly during the Second World War? The repercussions of such a discovery upon Britain and America dont require much imagination, especially with Nazi V2 rockets being already developed and available to deliver Agni -Vril atomic bombs upon London and New York!
Whence the Hollow Earth Theory, Anyhow?
It was Sir Edmund Halley, the 17th century astronomer who discovered Halleys Comet, who first suggested a hollow earth. His idea was that it comprised three concentric spheres, each of which supported life and that had at their centre a white-hot shining core. He ascribed the shifting of the earths magnetic poles to their movements one within another. This might sound rather a crackpot notion, until one considers that other reputable scientists have deduced that polar wander could be caused by slippage of the mesosphere within the lithosphere, or the slippage of the latter over the former, as hypothesized by eminent people like Wegener and Hapgood.
A theological dabbler in science, Thomas Burnet, in his book Sacred Theory of the Earth, proposed that all the waters of the oceans came out of a hole at the North Pole, but only in accordance with Divine Will, as and when required for Deluges and suchlike Heaven-sent catastrophes, but not as a continuous, self-sustained process of replenishment of the seas.
Alexander Colcott of Bristol subscribed somewhat to Burnets idea, in 1768, but he chose to posit a hollow sphere, with an inner surface covered by a vast ocean. In his view, the biblical Flood was caused when this ocean welled up to the outer surface through a polar gap or portal.
However, none of these scientific thinkers envisaged a hollow earth that had fertile landmasses and a central sun, which could be the habitation of human and animal life. Nor did they conceive of any connection between holes at both ends of the earth. (Perhaps this was because the South Polar landmass still remained to be discovered.) The exposition of such possibilities was left, as I have mentioned earlier, to the writers of popular fantasy-fiction, from the 17th century to the present-day.
Particularly writers of the so-called Romantic Era, like Edgar Allen Poe, with his great story, The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym, and Bulwer-Lyttons The Coming Race, not to mention Jules Vernes immortal classics: Voyage To The Centre Of The Earth and The Sphinx of the Ice, John Uri Lloyds Etidorhpa and Willis Emersons The Smoky God. Plus, of course, the unrivalled Edgar Rice Burroughs series of adventure tales of Pellucidar - The Earths Core, mentioned at the beginning of this chapter.
Conclusions.
Its tempting to continue delving into this fascinating concept of a hollow earth, but there are other intriguing areas yet to be covered, so I must reluctantly leave the subject at this point, and let my readers decide for themselves as to the likelihood or otherwise of such a possibility. However, let us keep reasonably open minds as to the existence of underground realms and cities such as Agharta and Shambala. Let us not forget that there are modern underground realms and cities today, in both the United States and Russia. Huge hollowed-out mountains, (such as the NORAD Defense Command headquarters in Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado Springs) which quite literally contain great technological cities inside them - and provide an ideal, natural protection against nuclear attack - especially for Top-Brass Military and Government VIPs!
Future Explorations and Discoveries
According to all the legends, myths and reports which abound today, and are constantly being substantiated by evidences of their actual existence, there are still a great many as-yet unexplored mysteries hidden beneath the Himalayas and the Andes, and other places - especially those beneath the Giza plateau which may, hopefully - if commonsense prevails - be unearthed and revealed within our present generation!
We can only hope that the spirit of adventure and the quest for relics and evidences of such ancient fabled civilizations continues to be fostered among modern archaeological explorers as well as it was during the last two centuries. We can but hope that governments and business corporations continue to work together in a spirit of cooperation in sponsoring such investigations, as they have in the past.
Alas, at the time I write, this spirit is sadly lacking in some areas. This is notably so with the Egyptian Department of Antiquities. They are currently rejecting proper scientific investigation of possible world-shaking secrets hidden under the Sphinx and inside the Great Pyramid. Whilst this obdurate refusal is their sovereign national right, we can but hope for a speedy resolution of this ridiculously petty, bureaucratic impasse!
Surely such world-encompassing mysteries, possible clues to ancient technologies, and other great secrets that may lie awaiting discovery are of great interest to the whole world and might well benefit all mankind, rather than satisfy the bureaucratic veto-power of a minor Government department! Particularly that of a government whose national income depends so very heavily upon international interest in its antiquities from both scientific and tourist standpoints!
However, I feel sure that there will be many more fantastic finds in the future that will tell us a great deal more about Humanitys past than we know even today. All that is required is the willingness and dedication of those intrepid and daring scholars who are prepared to commit their lives - and even to risk them if need be - to searching out the secrets that still lie concealed upon - and within - the crust of our planet, as well as upon those other enigmatic and mysterious planets which are our close neighbours in space!
Long live the spirit of Indiana Jones - and may there be many more great explorers and seekers after truth of such adventurous and learned ilk yet to follow!
The End
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The Oera Linda Book
The Forgotten History of a Lost Continent
In 1876 there appeared in London a bewildering work entitled the Oera Linda Book and subtitled From a Manuscript of the Thirteenth Century. It was published by Trubner and Co., one of the most respectable names in publishing, so there could be no suggestion that it was a hoax. And the fact that the original text in Frisian (the language of Friesland, a part of northern Holland) was published opposite the English translation offered scholars the opportunity to check for themselves. Yet if the claims of the Oera Linda Book were true, then the history of the ancient world had to be completely rewritten. It suggested that in the third millennium BC, at about the time the Great Pyramid and the original Stonehenge were built, there was a great island continent in northern Europe that was inhabited by a highly civilized race. In 2193 BC this island was destroyed, like the legendary Atlantis, by some immense catastrophe. But enough of its inhabitants escaped to carry their civilization elsewhere - including ancient Egypt and Crete. In fact, the Oera Linda Book suggested that the legendary King Minos of Crete (creator of the Labyrinth) was a Frisian and that the same ancient civilization gave democracy to Athens.
All this seemed so extraordinary and so confusing that the first reaction of Dutch and German scholars was to suggest that the book was a forgery. Yet they seem to have agreed that it was not a modern forgery and that it was probably a century to a century and a half old. But that would date it roughly to the 1730s. And it is hard to imagine why anyone would have wanted to forge such a document in the 1730s. A century later, in the Romantic era, there would have been some point in creating this mysterious narrative with its marvelous hints of a golden age in the remote past. But it is virtually impossible to imagine why, in that rather dull era of Frederick the Great and the Prince of Orange-Nassau (dull, at any rate, from the literary point of view), anyone should have bothered. It is true that a famous forgery of "ancient" Gaelic poetry - the works of "Ossian", actually written by James MacPherson - became immensely popular in England and on the Continent in the 1760s; but if the Oera Linda Book was inspired by MacPherson's Ossian, why did the forger put it in a drawer and forget about it until 1848, when it finally saw the light of day?
According to its Introduction, written in 1871, the Oera Linda Book had been preserved in the Linden (or Linda) family from "time immemorial" and was written in a peculiar script that looked a little like Greek. It began with a letter from one "Liko oera Linda", dated AD 803, in which he begged his son to preserve the book "with body and soul", since it contained the history of their peoples. The manuscript was inherited by a certain C. Over de Linden - a modernized version of Oera Linda - in 1848, and a learned professor named Verwijs asked if he could look at it. He immediately recognized its language as ancient Fries, a form of Dutch. The manuscript examined by Verwijs had been copied in 1256 on paper manufactured from cotton and written in a black ink that did not contain iron (which eventually turns brown).
According to the Introduction (by Dr J. O. Ottema), the Oera Linda Book records the history of the people of a large island called Atland, which was roughly on the same latitude as the British Isles, in what is now the North Sea (in other words, off the coast of modern Holland). Dr Ottema seems to think that Atland is Plato's Atlantis, which most commentators have placed somewhere in the mid-Atlantic. But since Plato says only that it was "beyond the Pillars of Hercules" (what is now Gibraltar), Ottema could be correct.
According to the Oera Linda Book, Atland had an excellent climate and an abundance of food. And since its rulers were wise and deeply religious, it was a peaceful and contented land. Its legendary founder was a half-mythical woman named Frya - obviously a version of the Nordic Freya, the moon goddess, whose name means "a lady". (In the same way, frey means "a lord".) Its people worshiped one God, under the (to us) unpronounceable name of Wr-alda. Frya was one of three sisters, the other two being named Lyda and Finda. Lyda was dark-skinned and became the founder of the black races; Finda was yellow-skinned and became the founder of the yellow races. Frya was white.
All of this is obviously legend. But the Oera Linda Book then goes on to describe historical events.
In the year 2193 BC, a great catastrophe of some sort struck Atland, and it was overwhelmed by the sea. Logic suggests that the same catastrophe must have struck the British Isles, since they were so close; but if Atland was as low and flat as Holland, we can understand why it was submerged. (The Dogger Bank, where Atland would have been situated, is the shallowest area of the North Sea.)
According to Plato, Atlantis had been destroyed in a great catastrophe more than nine thousand years earlier. But one modern authority, Professor A. G. Galanopoulos, has argued that all the figures associated with Atlantis (which were recorded by Egyptian priests) were about ten times too great - for example, Plato says that the moat around the royal city was ten thousand stades (more than a thousand miles) long, which would make the royal city about three hundred times larger than Greater London or Los Angeles. If we divide nine thousand years by ten, we get nine hundred. The Egyptian priests told the Athenian lawgiver Solon about Atlantis around 600 BC, which would make the date for the destruction of Atlantis about 1500 BC (nine hundred years earlier). This is roughly the date of the explosion of the volcano of Santorini (north of Crete) that devastated most of the Mediterranean, and Galanopoulos argues that the island of Santorini was Atlantis. The only problem is that Plato placed Atlantis beyond the Pillars of Hercules - in which case, Atland is certainly a contender.
Another reason for the relative neglect of the Oera Linda Book is that its narrative seems so unfamiliar and its names are so strange; in this respect it resembles the Book of Mormon or that extraordinary work entitled Oahspe, which was "dictated" to an American medium named J. B. Newbrough at roughly the same time the Oera Linda Book was published. But these two documents claim some kind of "divine" origin, while the Oera Linda Book purports to be a historical document.
Nevertheless, the people mentioned in it are not pure invention. A later book speaks at length about a warrior named Friso, an officer of Alexander the Great (born 356 BC), who is described in other Nordic chronicles. (The Oera Linda Book also speaks at length of Alexander the Great.) These chronicles state that Friso came from India. The Oera Linda Book says that Friso was descended from a Frisian colony that settled in the Punjab about 1550 BC; moreover, the Greek geographer Strabo mentions this strange "Indian" tribe, referring to them by the name Germania. The Oera Linda Book even mentions Ulysses and recounts how he went in search of a sacred lamp - a priestess had foretold that if he could find it, he would become king of all Italy. After an unsuccessful attempt to buy the lamp from its priestess-custodian, the "Earth Mother" (using treasures looted from Troy), he sailed to a place named Walhallagara (which sounds oddly like Valhalla) and had a love affair with a priestess named Kalip (obviously Calypso), with whom he stayed for several years "to the scandal of all who knew it". From Kalip he obtained a sacred lamp of the kind he wanted, but it did him no good, for he was shipwrecked and had to be picked up, naked and destitute, by another ship.
This fragment of Greek history, tossed into the Oera Linda Book is interesting for two reasons. It dates this adventure of Ulysses about 1188, which is about fifty years later than modern archaeology would date the fall of Troy. But the Oera Linda Book could be correct. And it states that the nymph Calypso was actually a burgtmaagd (a word meaning "borough maid" - literally, a virgin priestess in charge of vestal virgins). This is consistent with the central claim of the Oera Linda Book: that after the "deluge", the Frisians sailed the globe and became the founders of Mediterranean civilization, as well as settling in India. It is obvious why scholars have ignored the book. To take it seriously would mean virtually rewriting ancient history. If, for example, we accept that Calypso's island, Walhallagara, was the island of Walcheren, in the North Sea (as the commentary on the Oera Linda Book claims it was), then Ulysses sailed right out of the Mediterranean. It is certainly simpler to accept Homer's version of the story.
After nearly a century of neglect, the Oera Linda Book was rediscovered by an English scholar named Robert Scrutton. In his fascinating book The Other Atlantis, Scrutton tells how, in 1967, he and his wife - a "sensitive" with strong psychometric powers* - were walking over Dartmoor when she experienced a terrifying vision of a flood: great green waves higher than the hills pouring across the land.
Eight years later he found legends of a great deluge in ancient poetry known as the Welsh Triads (which also speak of King Arthur). The Triads explain that long before the Kmry (the Welsh) came to Britain, there was a great flood that depopulated the entire island. One ship survived, and those who sailed in it settled in the "Summer Land" peninsula (which Scrutton identifies as the Crimea - still called Krym -in the Black Sea). These peoples decided to seek other lands, because their peninsula was subject to flooding. One portion went to Italy and the other across Germany and France and into Britain. (In fact, this account does not contradict the little we know about the mysterious people called the Celts, whose origin is unknown.) So the Kmry came back to Britain - probably around 600 BC - and brought their Druidic religion, which involved human sacrifice.
Scrutton went on to uncover many other legends concerning a great catastrophe in ancient Welsh poetry and in the Icelandic Eddas (where it was known as Ragnarok). It is worth mentioning that Ignatius Donnelly, whose book Atlantis: The Antediluvian World caused a sensation in 1882, went on to write another classic, Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Ice in the following year; in this volume he attempted to study catastrophe legends of the northern hemisphere and created a remarkable theory of continental drift that later proved to be totally accurate.
Scrutton's research led him to rediscover the Oera Linda Book and to become absorbed in its strange yet credible account of ancient history. The first question he asked himself was: what was the precise nature of the catastrophe that destroyed Atland and depopulated Britain? In The Other Atlantis (1977) he suggests that it was a giant meteor or asteroid that struck the earth somewhere in the region of the North Pole; the force of the explosion had the effect of tilting the earth's axis into a more upright position, so lands that had formerly had long, hot summers now developed arctic conditions. The Greeks have their legends of the Hyperboreans, a people who live in idyllic conditions in the far north, and Scrutton identifies these with the Atlanders.
This projectile, Scrutton suggests, produced the crater known as the Arctic Ocean - which, he claims, would look like one of the enormous craters of the moon if its water was drained away. Many stones and rocks that modern scientists believe were moved by glaciers were actually, Scrutton suggests, hurled by the explosion. But this part of his theory is open to a simple objection. The opening section of the Oera Linda Book says that during the whole summer before the flood "the sun had been hid behind the clouds, as if unwilling to look upon the earth". There was perpetual calm, and "a damp mist hung like a wet sail over the houses and marshes". Then, "in the midst of this stillness, the earth began to tremble as if she was dying. The mountains opened to vomit forth fire and flames".
That seems clearly to be a description of a volcanic catastrophe of the kind that is supposed to have destroyed Atlantis, not a tidal wave caused by a meteor. Does this mean that the meteor theory must be abandoned? Not necessarily. A meteor that struck in the region of the North Pole would certainly have produced a tidal wave, but if the polar cap itself was covered with ice, it may not have been great enough to cause a tidal wave that would submerge Britain and Atland. But the volcanic activity that would almost certainly follow such an impact could produce a mighty tidal wave, like the one caused by the explosion of Santorini (and later of Krakatoa).
Scrutton also mentions a description in the Finnish epic the Kalevala of a time when the sun vanished from the sky and the world became frozen and barren, and quotes a modern introduction that places this at a period when the Magyars (Hungarians) and the Finns were still united - at least three thousand years ago.
Scrutton believes that the "maps of the ancient sea kings" described by Professor Charles Hapgood confirm his view of the catastrophe that destroyed Atland. Once again, there is an objection. Core samples taken in Queen Maud Land (in the Antarctic) show that the last time the South Pole was unfrozen was around 4000 BC So the great maritime civilization that Hapgood believes was responsible for the "ancient maps" must have flourished before then.
This, of course, does not rule out a catastrophe some two thousand years later - perhaps the civilization of Atland lasted for two thousand years, like that of the Egyptians. But if Hapgood is correct, and his great maritime civilization existed more than six thousand years ago and then was either forgotten or destroyed in a great catastrophe, it certainly becomes difficult to reconcile the two theories.
There is, however, one way of reconciling them that is no bolder - or more absurd - than the theories themselves. Hapgood believed that the ancient maps were evidence of a worldwide maritime civilization that existed long before Alexander the Great. Let us, then, posit the existence of such a civilization that began sometime after the last great ice age - say, around 10,000 BC. Six thousand years later this civilization is highly developed in the Antarctic and in Atland. In other parts of the world - like the Middle East - it is less highly developed, although there are already cities, and the plow has been developed. For unknown reasons - no one knows what causes ice ages - the cold returns, and the Antarctic civilization freezes up, so its peoples are forced to go elsewhere - notably to Egypt. The Atland civilization, being in more temperate latitudes, is not affected. Then, in 2192 BC, comes the "great catastrophe" that tilted the earth's axis. Now, like the inhabitants of the South Pole, the Atlanders are also forced to move - and of course they move south, to regions that have not been affected by the great catastrophe - like India and the Mediterranean. If this scenario is correct, then both Hapgood and Scrutton could be right.
One thing seems clear: that the ancient maps prove the existence of a great maritime civilization that flourished before Alexander the Great. Like the maps, the Oera Linda Book also points to the existence of such a civilization. Even if the Oera Linda Book proved to be a forgery, the evidence of the maps would be unaffected. But at the present time, there is no evidence that it is a forgery. In this case, it deserves to be reprinted in a modern edition and carefully studied by historians - as well as read by the general public for its fascinating tales of murder and battle. If it proves to be genuine, the Oera Linda Book could revolutionize our view of world history.
Among them too are the Muses
For everywhere
To flute and string the young girls
Are dancing,
In their hair the gold leaves of the bay:
The dance whirls them away:
Age or disease, no toil,
Battle or ill-day's luck
Can touch them, they
Are holy, they
Will outlast time, exempted
From the anger of the Goddess
And all decay.
Here the hero came
With the head
That shocked a royal house, turning
King and all into stone:
It was long long ago, if
Time means anything;
Long, long ago.
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http://www.skepsis.nl/oeralinda.html
'Alles aan het OLB is verdacht. Zelfs Ottema's uitgave is een vervalsing. In het OLB staat dat het zesspakige 'juulrad' (zonnewiel) het eerste zinnebeeld van Wralda is en dat Frya dit belangrijke symbool heeft gebruikt om een letterschrift te ontwerpen: het op runen lijkende 'standschrift' (staand schrift) waarin ook het OLB is geschreven. Later zouden Festa (de eerste eremoeder) en de zeekoning Godfried het 'runschrift' (lopend schrift; geen runen) respectievelijk de cijfers hebben bedacht. Het OLB bevat een pagina waarop beide schriften zijn afgebeeld. Maar in Ottema's facsimile is het runschrift verdwenen; Ottema's runschrift is een op schrijfletters lijkende variant van het standschrift!'
Nou weet ik wel dat de mensen van Skepsis vaak ook zelfingenomen zijn, en dus net zo goed bevooroordeeld. Maar vaak komen ze wel met onderbouwde artikelen. Dit is er één van
Die stukken zijn gewoon echt te lang, zeker als je zoveel na elkaar plaatst. Mensen lezen dat gewoon niet. Blijkt wel, want niemand reageert erop.
Discussieren is de bedoeling van dit forum. NIET lappen tekst en/of linkjes neergooien.
Genoeg nu dus.
Op maandag 5 april 2004 21:27 schreef Lorax het volgende:
Ik had die kop van SC wel willen zien toen MUUS 'm in z'n bek scheet
7 RIDDLES SUGGEST A SECRET CITY BENEATH TOKYO: www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fl20030301a1.htm
Jan Lamprecht, een van de bekendste schrijvers over de Holle Aarde, is gastspreker bij de 8e Nexus Conference, 29-30 maart, in Amsterdam. (voor wie het hier interesseert )
Zijn site:
http://www.hollowplanets.com
quote:hey bedankt voor de tip...ik zal daar zeker zijn (ik heb al een keer eerder daar Stanton Friedman , David Icky, ed McGabe en andere gezien...een aanrader !)
Jan Lamprecht, een van de bekendste schrijvers over de Holle Aarde, is gastspreker bij de 8e Nexus Conference, 29-30 maart, in Amsterdam. (voor wie het hier interesseert )
quote:Er staat een interessant artikel van Jan Lamprecht over de Holle Aarde op Davidicke.net, "ELF Evidence for a Hollow Earth", zie;
Op donderdag 13 maart 2003 23:56 schreef www.UFOPlaza.nl het volgende:
Even terugkomend op het topic:Jan Lamprecht, een van de bekendste schrijvers over de Holle Aarde, is gastspreker bij de 8e Nexus Conference, 29-30 maart, in Amsterdam. (voor wie het hier interesseert
Zijn site:
http://www.hollowplanets.com
quote:Goed Phetep.
Op vrijdag 14 maart 2003 16:31 schreef PHETEP het volgende:[..]
Er staat een interessant artikel van Jan Lamprecht over de Holle Aarde op Davidicke.net, "ELF Evidence for a Hollow Earth", zie;
www.davidicke.net/emagazine/vol6/lamprecht.html
Onvoorstelbaar.
David Icke doet zo veel goed werk dat je niet de tijd hebt om alles lezen.
In Children of the Matrix heeft Icke het er nauwelijks over, wel over gangstelsels.
Wat mij nog intrigeert is die magma vulling van de aardschil.
Er zou een verband zijn tussen astrologie, vulkaanuitbarstingen en aardbevingen.
d.w.z. de hemel-lichamen hebben een grote invloed op de aardschil (druk), zoals die ondergang van Lemuria en Atlantis.
quote:Zou je godverdomme niet eens archeologie, natuurkunde, of wat dan ook gaan studeren, i.p.v. alles gewoon maar aannemen zonder dat je het zelf gezien hebt ?
Op vrijdag 14 maart 2003 18:18 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:[..]
Goed Phetep.
Onvoorstelbaar.
David Icke doet zo veel goed werk dat je niet de tijd hebt om alles lezen.In Children of the Matrix heeft Icke het er nauwelijks over, wel over gangstelsels.
Wat mij nog intrigeert is die magma vulling van de aardschil.
Er zou een verband zijn tussen astrologie, vulkaanuitbarstingen en aardbevingen.d.w.z. de hemel-lichamen hebben een grote invloed op de aardschil (druk), zoals die ondergang van Lemuria en Atlantis.
Christus.. een verband tussen hemellichamen en vulkaan uitbarstingen... dat had ik je nog kunnen vertellen toen ik 14 was!!! eb en vloed werken net zo voor magma als voor water...
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
[Stephen Roberts]
http://www.evolutiesprong.com/Telos,%20Agartha,%20Shambala/reis_naar_de_holle_aarde.htm
Klinkt een beetje naar the x-files. But we never know.
quote:Welk verband ? Welke krachten zijn dan van invloed ?
Op zaterdag 15 maart 2003 02:56 schreef ChOas het volgende:[..]
Zou je godverdomme niet eens archeologie, natuurkunde, of wat dan ook gaan studeren, i.p.v. alles gewoon maar aannemen zonder dat je het zelf gezien hebt ?
Christus.. een verband tussen hemellichamen en vulkaan uitbarstingen... dat had ik je nog kunnen vertellen toen ik 14 was!!! eb en vloed werken net zo voor magma als voor water...
En waarom natuurkunde studeren ?
quote:Hahaha!
Op zaterdag 15 maart 2003 13:19 schreef dogo het volgende:
Hier een linkje met het verhaal van kolonel Billie Faye Woodard van de luchtmacht van de Verenigde Staten. Hij beweerdt de reis naar de holle aarde gemaakt te hebben en heeft er zelfs zes maanden gewoond.
http://www.evolutiesprong.com/Telos,%20Agartha,%20Shambala/reis_naar_de_holle_aarde.htm
quote:Dan zullen er inmiddels een hoop militairen op de hoogte zijn. Al die filmbeelden van troepenbewegingen op het journaal zijn zeker beelden van dombo's die het geheim niet mogen weten.
Weet je nog dat er een tijd was dat we voortdurend troepenbewegingen van A naar B op het aardse oppervlak zagen. Dat was nog niet zo lang geleden. Nu zie je dat nog zelden. Nu gebruiken ze de tunnels om al die troepen over lange afstanden te vervoeren. De tunnels zijn groot genoeg om twee 5 meter brede voertuigen naast elkaar te laten rijden.
quote:Cool.
Vanaf gebied 51, gaat een pendeldienst naar de Stille Oceaan 550 km westelijk van Monterey - waar een piramide is. Een andere dienst gaat naar het ondergrondse verblijf Cheyenne Mountain.
quote:Creatief denken kan deze persoon iig wel.
Ik verliet de Luchtmacht als gevolg van de dominerende invloed van de controlefreaken, die een belemmering vormden voor mijn denkvermogen om op een creatieve wijze te werken.
Lijkt me tijd voor medicijnen, tenzij deze persoon er geen last van heeft natuurlijk....
quote:Mkay... Als het begrip 'zwaartekracht' hier ter discussie staat, hoe verklaar je dan dat je op de grond blijft staan en niet wegvliegt? Het idee dat objecten een interne wil hebben om te vallen is terug te voeren op Aristoteles; die was erg slim, maar had het af en toe ook gewoon mis.
Op zaterdag 8 maart 2003 17:28 schreef M.ALTA het volgende:[..]
Het begrip zwaartekracht staat hier ter discussie.
Weten we eigenlijk wel genoeg af van gravitatie ?In de filosofie van de holle aarde treed ook de discussie op van een bewustzijn van de aarde, d.w.z. de aarde als levend wezen met een geest. En juist dit bewustzijn zou invloed hebben op de gravitatie.
Een holle aarde zou men dan kunnen interpreteren als een lichaam met de aardschil als geraamte.
Wie kritiek heeft mag het zeggen.
Het idee dat de aarde een levend wezen is, is terug te voeren op meneer Lovelock. Hij bedoelde dat niet letterlijk. Hij bedoelde veel meer dat de aarde één systeem is, waarvan elk onderdeel invloed heeft op de toestand van het hele systeem. Dit idee poneerde hij om een manier aan te geven om te zoeken naar planeten met leven erop - namelijk, door te kijken naar een planeet die niet in een natuurlijk evenwicht verkeert. (De aarde bijvoorbeeld is niet in natuurlijk evenwicht: ze bezit een atmosfeer van zuurstof, dat zonder het leven direct zou reageren met aanwezige reductoren). Ik benadruk dat hij niet echt dacht dat de aarde leeft. (Net zomin als er écht een mannetje in de maan zit.)
Om nog even wat dieper hierop in te gaan: er worden al ongeveer 100 jaar zwaartekrachtsmetingen gedaan aan het aardse gravitatieveld. In die tijd zijn de waarden niet op onverklaarbare wijze veranderd. Eén van de uitgangspunten van de wetenschap is dat de natuurwetten constant blijven, dus is het redelijk om aan te nemen dat het zwaartekrachtsveld weinig tot niet veranderd is.
Bovendien, Occam, een andere oude filosoof, heeft een ander en fundamenteler wetenschappelijk hulpmiddel bedacht: Occam's scheermes. Dit wil zeggen: als je voor een fenomeen meer dan 1 verklaring opstelt, is de eenvoudigste over het algemeen juist. Verder geldt er ook dat je zonder noodzaak geen extra oorzaken voor een fenomeen moet zoeken. Als ik hiervan uitga - en van de bestaande wetenschappelijke theorie(ën - Einstein maakte een betere) over het gedrag van de zwaartekracht, dan vind ik daarin geen reden om die theorieën af te doen als nonsens en over te gaan tot het toedichten van een denkende geest aan de planeet aarde.
quote:Bij de holle-aarde theorie speelt idd de gravitatie-kracht mee, loodrecht op het aardoppervlak naar binnen.
Op zondag 16 maart 2003 21:14 schreef Phooka het volgende:[..]
Mkay... Als het begrip 'zwaartekracht' hier ter discussie staat, hoe verklaar je dan dat je op de grond blijft staan en niet wegvliegt? Het idee dat objecten een interne wil hebben om te vallen is terug te voeren op Aristoteles; die was erg slim, maar had het af en toe ook gewoon mis.
Er is ook een centrifugale kracht naar buiten a.g.v. draaien van de aarde om haar as. Dan zou je bij deze kracht dus van de aarde weggeslingrd moeten worden.
Verder draait de aarde ook nog om de zon, en dit is dus een extra centrifugale kracht.
De holle-aarde theorie stelt dat er een evenwichtsdeel is (aardschil) en daarom dat de aarde hol is na afkoeling uit een ster-vuurbal ontstaan.
Leek mij wel wat.
quote:Een bewustzijnsveld van /bij de aarde speelt denk ik wel mee.
Het idee dat de aarde een levend wezen is, is terug te voeren op meneer Lovelock. Hij bedoelde dat niet letterlijk. Hij bedoelde veel meer dat de aarde één systeem is, waarvan elk onderdeel invloed heeft op de toestand van het hele systeem. Dit idee poneerde hij om een manier aan te geven om te zoeken naar planeten met leven erop - namelijk, door te kijken naar een planeet die niet in een natuurlijk evenwicht verkeert. (De aarde bijvoorbeeld is niet in natuurlijk evenwicht: ze bezit een atmosfeer van zuurstof, dat zonder het leven direct zou reageren met aanwezige reductoren). Ik benadruk dat hij niet echt dacht dat de aarde leeft. (Net zomin als er écht een mannetje in de maan zit.)
Om nog even wat dieper hierop in te gaan: er worden al ongeveer 100 jaar zwaartekrachtsmetingen gedaan aan het aardse gravitatieveld. In die tijd zijn de waarden niet op onverklaarbare wijze veranderd. Eén van de uitgangspunten van de wetenschap is dat de natuurwetten constant blijven, dus is het redelijk om aan te nemen dat het zwaartekrachtsveld weinig tot niet veranderd is.
Bovendien, Occam, een andere oude filosoof, heeft een ander en fundamenteler wetenschappelijk hulpmiddel bedacht: Occam's scheermes. Dit wil zeggen: als je voor een fenomeen meer dan 1 verklaring opstelt, is de eenvoudigste over het algemeen juist. Verder geldt er ook dat je zonder noodzaak geen extra oorzaken voor een fenomeen moet zoeken. Als ik hiervan uitga - en van de bestaande wetenschappelijke theorie(ën - Einstein maakte een betere) over het gedrag van de zwaartekracht, dan vind ik daarin geen reden om die theorieën af te doen als nonsens en over te gaan tot het toedichten van een denkende geest aan de planeet aarde.
Ik zou echter niet zomaar 100% kiezen voor de meest eenvoudige verklaring, bij de keuze als argument om een theorie als juist te stellen.
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