chemtrails polling

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Op vrijdag 24 december 2004 15:59 schreef Rasing het volgende:

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En toch slik jij alles van David Icke voor zoete koek.

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Hoe komen jullie in GODS naam hier nou weer bij.

Zie dit als een kans om te bewijzen dat je niet eeuwig in de ruimte lult: kom met 1 zinssnede van mij waaruit blijkt dat ik alles van David Icke voor zoete koek slik

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Op vrijdag 24 december 2004 16:02 schreef ChOas het volgende:

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Jij gelooft David Icke, en (voor mij) vage websites. Prima, doen, geen probleem mee, maar sommige mensen mensen geloven andere dingen en willen ook graag HUN mening geven op dingen die als feiten worden aangedragen.

Dit geeft weer aan dat je topic start niet hebt gelezen maar het alleem maar weer wil hebben over waar jij niet in gelooft

Topic is dus bedoelt voor het melden van waarnemingen van mogelijke chemtrails

liever niet voor het bediscussieren of die dingen wel of niet waar zijn, spotten is het motto

zie voor beschrijvingen hoe chemtrails er dan uitzien : http://forum.fok.nl/www.relfe.com/weblinks.html#chemtrails

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Op vrijdag 24 december 2004 21:04 schreef Redux het volgende:

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Mooi, aangezien we allemaal hebben kunnen lezen dat chemtrails niet bestaan, zullen er ook geen meldingen van chemtrails gemaakt worden, en kunnen dit topic wel sluiten.

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Ik stel liever aan de mods voor om al jpou posts uit mijn topic te verwijderen
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vandaag ook weer zeer bewolkt!

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Op vrijdag 24 december 2004 19:52 schreef rekenwonder het volgende:

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Nogal wiedes, ze kijken gewoon even op FOK!Forum om te weten wat er leeft. Daarom zou ik je ook willen aanraden om er geen topics meer over te openen en geen slapende honden wakker te maken.

Ik blijf me verbazen over de energie die sommige van jullie ongelovigen erin blijven steken. Maar goed, je moet het zelf weten... de Truthseekers gaan rustig verder.

En jullie zijn als ons promotie materiaal : zorgen dat TRUTH steeds vaker en meer in de lijst van 'Active Topics' terechtkomt

Mijn inziens ben je dus ook mede verantwoordelijk voor het wakker maken van slapende honden

Bovendien duidt het, vooral gezien het aantal reacties & views in dit topic en vorige topics over chemtrails, dat de belangstelling alleen maar groeit......

hoeveel slapende honden zouden we nog te gaan hebben, mate?

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Op zaterdag 25 december 2004 11:08 schreef ChOas het volgende:

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Mag ik dan voorstellen jou van het forum te verwijderen ?

Tuurlijk mag dat.....

OF je in tegenstelling tot je posts met dit voorstel meer succes zal hebben, betwijfel ik

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Op zaterdag 25 december 2004 12:57 schreef rekenwonder het volgende:

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En wat is daar mis mee? De 'gelovigen' steken er ook een onevenredige hoeveelheid energie in. Het 'argument' dat je nu aandraag staat dus geheel los van wie er gelijk heeft.

precies zo als ik zeg, nix mis mee...

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Met 'de slapende honden' bedoel ik overigens de Illuminati. Die lezen hier ook mee :-)

Gezien het nog in leven zijn van David Icke & een hoop anderen die hetzelfde verkondigen, begin ik het gevoel te krijgen dat het juist de bedoeling is dat we steeds meer & meer te weten komen.

Ik bedoel zou je zoiets ook zeggen tegen Michael Baigent?

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En noem me geen 'mate'!

hmmm, sorry dan _{waarom niet eigenlijk?}

vandaag had ik een opengebroken area waar de zon vrijelijk door kon schijnen. vandaag zag ik wel weer wat zigzag vormen met tegelijkertijd een stuk of 4/5 vliegtuigen, maar volgens mij waren dat geen chemtrails.

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Op zondag 26 december 2004 19:31 schreef T2012 het volgende:
Aan 'oo-blackgirl-oo':
Sinds een paar dagen heb ik een nieuw forum, het zou leuk zijn als er meer mensen o.a. het meldpunt zouden willen bijhouden, het kan misschien handig blijken te zijn.

Zie: http://www.hostmybb.com/phpbb/index.php?mforum=wesley

Handig voordeel, debunkers zijn er niet toegestaan, daar dus geen kinder praktijken en niet te bevatten halfgare moderatie zoals hier. Misschien zie ik je daar ooit.

hmmm, ik zie een paar leuke linkjes/info staan, ga ik ff uitchecken.

Thanks voor je link

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Op woensdag 29 december 2004 19:23 schreef Redux het volgende:

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Een opengebroken area...gewoon een stukje openlucht bedoel je toch?

sorry

door m'n werk, die me soms nogal in beslag neemt zo te zien, haal ik soms het engels & nederlands door elkaar

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Op donderdag 30 december 2004 09:17 schreef UncleScorp het volgende:
Chemtrails wordt blijkbaar ook "Seeding the Clouds" genoemd.
(doet me denken aan een liedje van Tuxedomoon uit de jaren '80)

Het bestaat dus precies wel ... en niet altijd met een negatieve bedoeling ...

WEATHER MODIFICATION (CLOUD SEEDING) is the intentional treatment of individual clouds or storm systems for the purpose of achieving a beneficial effect without harming people or the environment. Dr. Vincent J. Schaefer, the father of modern weather modification, conducted the first field experiments following his basic discoveries in 1946 at the General Electric Laboratory in Schenectady, New York.
(http://www.atmos-inc.com/weamod.html)

doet me denken aan HAARP

Chemtrails are no longer just a 'conspiracy theory'

How many times have you heard government officials and NASA scientists referring to chemtrails as “nothing but a conspiracy theory?” Even newspapers, such as USA Today in an article titled “Conspiracy theorists read between lines in the sky,” by reporter Traci Watson, cites some comments from scientist Patrick Minnis from NASA's Langley Research Center saying in essence that anyone that believes in chemtrails is part of the conspiracy. Further, Minnis stated that “the cloud-forming contrails that conspiracy theorists find so ominous are perfectly natural.” In an effort to debunk the chemtrail debunkers, we at JackBlood.com decided to conduct some research and gather as much evidence related to the so-called “conspiracy theory” of the chemtrails. The evidence we found indicates overwhelmingly that chemtrails are absolutely real.



Many researchers have presented and published documentation linking chemtrails to biological or chemical experiments. Others have argued that chemtrails may be related to radar experiments or weather modification. While we can’t dismiss any of these possibilities, our research was conducted mostly in relation to weather modification.

What is a chemtrail?
A chemtrail has many similarities with a contrail or condensation trail created by an aircraft under certain atmospheric and meteorological conditions. However, chemical trails or chemtrails appear to last a lot longer, and apparently they seem to accumulate more moisture than contrails. In some cases, chemtrails may actually turn into clouds due to the moisture they absorb. Additionally, it is said that chemtrails differ in their flight pattern configuration from contrails; they do not appear to show aircraft trajectories from point A to point B, but rather crisscross-like patterns.

The involvement of NASA and the Department of Energy
Despite the ridiculing statements towards anyone investigating the origins of chemtrails from government scientists, NASA has been involved in a research experiment called the “Wake Vortex Simulation,” carried out by the NASA Langley Research Center, home base of scientist Patrick Minnis –the same individual that called anyone that believes in chemtrails is a conspiracy theorist. Reportedly, the experiment involved aircraft spraying chemicals into the atmosphere in order to study the effects of ‘contrails’ in relation to the weather, among other things.


_{NASA aircraft conduct an athmospheric spraying exercise}

The U.S. Department of Energy’s Tropospheric Aerosol Program (TAP)
The Department of Energy’s TAP Program Plan was launched in March of 2001 based on previous research and assessments carried out by the National Research Council, the National Science and Technology Council, and the North American Research Strategy for Tropospheric Ozone or NARSTO, which happens to be a hybrid organization that includes researchers from both government and the private sector. Furthermore, NARSTO has recently begun studying the effects of spraying aerosols in the atmosphere and the environment.

The TAP program was also formed in part by the DOE Office of Biological and Environmental Research. Also according to the DOE’s own TAP website, many other federal government agencies are involved in the program, such as EPA, NOAA, NASA, and the NSF. So, for anyone to say that the government wouldn’t be involved in spraying chemicals into the atmosphere would be absolutely inaccurate. According to the Department of Energy’s own admission, the research conducted by programs such as TAP is “driven primarily by health effects but also to some extent by visibility and climate change considerations.” Does this mean that the government has been experimenting on the population without the American people knowing about it?

Despite the involvement by the government in aerosol spraying, major branches such as the EPA dismiss any talk about chemtrails as a conspiracy theory. The EPA published an open statement and fact sheet on its website describing ‘consistent contrails’ or chemtrails as something absolutely normal.

<sub>A wing tip generator, such as this one is used for spraying heavy metals and aerosols into the atmosphere for weather modification purposes.

Some aircraft use racks such as this one, in order to mount up to 120 smoke flares (capable of spraying up to a total of 40 consecutive minutes) that contain silver iodide for chemtrail spraying purposes.</sub>

Weather modification
The private sector and government contractors are also heavily involved in aerosol spraying. One company, “Weather Modification Inc.” conducts spraying for cloud seeding purposes. Cloud seeding is also called cloud modification, or atmospheric resource management (a more politically correct term). According to their own definition, the purpose of cloud seeding is to “deliberately introduce material(s), or “seeds”, into clouds with the intent of changing their characteristics, thus “managing” to some degree, atmospheric water.”

Companies like Weather Modification Inc. utilize aircraft equipped with spraying equipment, such as pyrotechnic flares or wingtip-mounted burners called ‘generators,’ to spray the atmosphere from altitudes of about 4,000 feet. The flares are manufactured by companies, such as “Ice Crystal Engineering,” which have been developed by a “team of atmospheric research chemists and engineers who collectively have over 60 years of experience in the weather modification industry.” Imagine having 60 years of experience in something that’s supposed to be a conspiracy theory, such as weather modification!

The pyrotechnic flares are apparently made of chemical compounds designed to melt hail or ice, such as calcium chloride (CACI2). Others contain silver iodide (Agl). How many people out there know that the air they breathe contains aerosols and heavy metals? The sprayed chemicals accelerate the formation of clouds by increasing the size of the cloud moisture droplets. The accumulation of cloud droplets, and thus the increase in size of a cloud, is the first step in the development of precipitation. The droplets at such early stage are too small to precipitate. In order for precipitation to occur, the droplets must grow much larger; they need to increase in density so they can actually fall and not evaporate after coming in contact with dry air. This is where the aerosols containing calcium chloride and silver iodide come in place; they cause the droplets to attract more moisture. This process requires freezing temperatures in order to work. The anti-freeze properties of calcium chloride would prevent the droplets from turning into hail. The entire process is monitored by using remote sensing equipment, such as radar, satellite imaging, radiometry, magnetic imaging, and other technologies. Could HAARP be one of these ‘other’ technologies?


The aircraft

The most popular aircraft used in the private sector for aerosol spraying is Learjet 35A. This is a small, but a high-performance twin-turbofan aircraft that has participated very successfully in many cloud-seeding operations. It is flown by a two-pilot crew and is equipped with anti-ice or ant-hail spraying devices. The Learjet 35A is very light and fast; it can reach altitudes of over 40,000 feet, facilitating operations above thunderstorm clouds. It can also operate in severe weather conditions.

Another popular small plane is the Cessna 340A. It is a turbocharged twin-engine aircraft. It can last over 6 hours at cruise speeds of 210 knots at 20,000 feet. The Cessna 340A is also equipped with de-icing systems. Some of the newer models are “FAA known icing certified.” The aircraft is also equipped with sophisticated digital weather radar.

There are, of course, many other types of aircraft involved in aerosol spraying, such as military and government airplanes. According to many eyewitness reports and photographic evidence, some of those aircraft are as big as passenger airliners.

<sub>A King Air 200 airplane with wing tip chemtrail sprayers.

A King Air 350 airplane with wing tip chemtrail sprayers.</sub>

The health hazards
Besides the calcium chloride and silver iodide, there have been independent reports about high levels of radioactive barium and a form of aluminum discovered by researchers like Clifford Carnicom. These heavy metals are known to be linked to Alzheimer's disease. Other reports have indicated the presence of high levels of metallic particles in rainwater, which eventually end up in our rivers and reservoirs. In addition to chemicals, there have been reports of biological material found after chemtrail spraying operations. In some instances, there have been samples collected by researchers containing molds –a serious respiratory hazard.

Bron http://www.jackblood.com/index/id38.html