Turkije bij in de EU deel 12

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Op maandag 13 december 2004 16:41 schreef Aaahikwordgek het volgende:

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Er moet nog veel gebeuren aangaande betalingsverkeer in onroerend goed. Als koper heb je daar weinig bescherming tegen malafide mensen. Ook zullen er hogere eisen aan de bouw worden gesteld, met de operende maffia die bezuinigt op bouwmateriaal kan dat nog erg leuk worden.

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Op de vraag of Turkije volwaardig lid moet worden van de EU, zegt 60% daar geen voorstander van te zijn.

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nderzoeksbureau Ifop Poll kwam met een onderzoek waaruit blijkt dat 66% van de Fransen en ruim 50% van de Duitsers tegen Turkije als EU-lid is. In Groot-Brittannië steunt een minderheid van 41% de kandidaatstelling.

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125 Teletekst ma 13 dec
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Parijs zet Ankara onder zware druk
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BRUSSEL Frankrijk wil dat Turkije in de
gesprekken over het EU-lidmaatschap
erkent dat van 1915 tot 1923 genocide
is gepleegd op Armeniërs.Dat heeft de
Franse minister De Villepin van
Buitenlandse Zaken in Brussel gezegd.

Bij het uiteenvallen van het Ottomaanse
Rijk werden naar schatting anderhalf
tot twee miljoen Armeniërs gedood.Veel
Armeniërs werden gedeporteerd naar het
huidige Syrië.Turkije heeft de genocide
tot nu toe steeds ontkend.

Frankrijk heeft de grootste Armeense
minderheid van alle landen in de EU.Het
Europese Parlement had erkenning eerder
als voorwaarde aan Turkije gesteld.
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One potential threat to an agreement to open talks in 2005 receded when Cypriot Foreign Minister George Iakovou made clear Nicosia was not thinking of using its new EU membership to veto the decision, which requires unanimity.

``We've never started from that position,'' he told reporters on arrival in Brussels when asked if Cyprus would use its veto.

There was considerable support among Greek Cypriots for that option, ``but we prefer not to think about it at this stage.''

Iakovou appeared to soften past demands that Turkey, which has 35,000 troops on the island and is the only country to recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, should grant Cyprus full diplomatic recognition before negotiations start.

Instead, he said he hoped EU partners would support Cyprus' ambition to have Turkey amend its association agreement with the bloc to incorporate the 10 new member states, which diplomats say would be a tacit recognition of Cyprus.

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Op maandag 13 december 2004 19:04 schreef HiZ het volgende:
De minister van buitenlandse zaken van Cyprus heeft vanmiddag verklaard dat Cyprus zijn veto niet zal gebruiken om het starten van besprekingen met Turkije tegen te houden.
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Op maandag 13 december 2004 19:09 schreef Snik het volgende:

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Lekker belangrijk. Van de voorzitter van de EU, Nederland, moeten ze die staat erkennen en van Frankrijk de Armeense genocide.

Doei Turkije

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France has said it will ask Turkey to acknowledge the mass killing of Armenians from 1915 as genocide when it begins EU accession talks.

French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier said Turkey had "a duty to remember".

Armenians say 1.5 million of their people died or were deported from their homelands under Turkish Ottoman rule.

France is among a group of nations that class the killings as genocide. Turkey denies any organised genocide, claiming they were quelling a civil uprising.

Mr Barnier said France did not consider Turkish acknowledgement a condition of EU entry, but insisted his country would raise the issue once talks opened.

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Op maandag 13 december 2004 18:00 schreef Aaahikwordgek het volgende:

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Wat heeft dat er mee te maken? Nou, dan betaal jij het toch contant, precies zoals rijke Turken dat in Nederland deden met pandjes en auto's. Gaat nu wat moeilijker, oh oh, waarom zou dat gedaan zijn?

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Op maandag 13 december 2004 19:40 schreef Aaahikwordgek het volgende:

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Voor onroerend goed heeft de gemiddelde jodokus kwak een hypotheek nodig en voor het overmaken van grote bedragen gelden regels en meldingsplicht. Althans, in Nederland en vele europese landen. Nog niet bekend in Turkije? Wat dat met achterbuurten te maken heeft, weet ik niet.

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Op maandag 13 december 2004 19:58 schreef Aaahikwordgek het volgende:

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Voor grote transacties geldt een meldingsplicht, wat snap jij daar niet aan? Geldstromen worden in het westen meer in kaart gebracht middels regels. Dat Turkije dat niet heeft, is verder ook niet mijn probleem. Er zullen nog heel wat ogen opengaan bij een toetreding.

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The EU (European Union) is a cooperation between European countries and has its historical roots in the Second World War. The idea of European integration was conceived to prevent such killing and destruction from ever happening again. Nowadays the main purpose of the EU is cooperation between the member states in the field of trading, security and internationalization. Initially the EU consisted of six countries: The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, France and Italy. Throughout the years many more European countries have joined the EU. The biggest enlargement took place in 2004 with 10 countries joining. Nowadays the EU consists of 25 member states, and 4 countries are candidates to become an EU member in the future. One of those 4 countries is Turkey, which is not a completely European country since 95% of its citizens geographically live in Asia. That is not a fair reason to deny entrance to the EU. Nevertheless, Turkey’s entry into the EU should not take place, for more reasons but being a 95 % Asian country.

EU membership of Turkey will be a threat for the coherence of the current EU. Cooperation is a positive thing, but there must be limits. The EU started once with 6 members and that number has grown over the years to 25. To prevent loss of overview and credibility it is important that the EU should not grow too much anymore. Entry of one more country sounds acceptable, though the ‘Turkey case’ could bring a lot of consequences with it. If Turkey gets the ‘green light’ other non-European countries like Ukraine, Belarus, Israel and Morocco will also try to become a member of the EU because Turkey opened a door for them. The entrance of those countries could lead to a massive immigration and in addition, it could cause a derailment of budgets, regarding border control, agricultural subsidy and development assistance.

Culture should also play an important role in the decision making process of the Turkey membership. Turkey has a ‘western face’ which is mostly based on the small part of Turkey that belongs to Europe and does not seem to be as conservative as the rest of the country. Behind that ‘western face’ hides a very non-European culture based on the Islam. The vast majority of the Turkish citizens follows the Islam which results in a completely different culture in comparison with the other EU member states’ cultures. Turkey differs from current EU member states concerning tolerance, solidarity and human rights, which makes it obvious that Turkey is not ready yet to enter the EU. It is not realistic to oblige Turkey to adapt their culture to the EU norms. A better solution would be to assist Turkey in making adjustments in their laws and beliefs. The question whether Turkey should or should not be allowed to enter the EU could be revised after that process of adjustments.

The final reason to disallow Turkey to enter the EU is the legitimate power which Turkey would acquire if they would become a member state. Turkey has a population of 68 million and that number is growing amazingly fast. Due to an EU fundamental law Turkey would get permission to delegate at least 70 representatives in the European Parliament, which would make Turkey a very influential EU member state. For comparison: Germany has the most representatives at this moment, with 99 positions. The Netherlands has 27 representatives and our southern neighbors, Belgium, have 24 representatives. If Turkey would become an EU member state they would be too powerful for such an inexperienced country and with the anticipated growth of their population they will eventually become the most densely populated EU member state, and that will cause a shift of power when Turkey passes Germany and takes over their position of member with the most representatives. That situation should not be a problem, but it will weaken the true meaning of the European Union.

To conclude, there are several reasons to disallow Turkey to enter the EU. First of all, the membership of Turkey would attract other non-European countries to apply for EU membership. This will decrease the coherence of the EU and could cause budgetary problems and massive immigration. Secondly, Turkey’s culture and current constitution do not match the European standards. Adjustment to those standards and apply for EU membership again is possible, but will take years. Finally, the power Turkey would acquire within the European Parliament is very big. Turkey would become one of the most influential EU member states while they are completely new and inexperienced in the Parliament. Turkey could become an EU member, but at this moment they are not ready to enter. The country needs some serious time to adjust and change fundamental elements of their culture and laws, and should reapply after that…