Organisation of Visiting Races III

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Organisation of Visiting Races II

Hi Earthsister

so..you had an exciting visit in Florida! Everything ok?

Did you had any contact yet (or again), with 1 of the OVR?
I really would like to know in what timespan the the OVR will show themselves to the public.

Do you have any indication?

No pressure and all and you're more than welcome to disregard, but any chance of a respons to the questions asked when you where holding on for dear life. Some very interesting points were raised.

Thundering silence.

I am sorry for my silence. We had a family emergency so I was preoccupied away from home. Everything is ok now.

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Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2004 14:13 schreef stigchel het volgende:
No pressure and all and you're more than welcome to disregard, but any chance of a respons to the questions asked when you where holding on for dear life. Some very interesting points were raised.

(I said: And second and still because of govt and religious propaganda. It is now becoming necessary for the alien races to push the matter.)

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Ok, let's assess this comment in the light of what it is supposed to counter, namely government opression and fear mongering. We have system A lead by people that do not have our best interests at heart, fair enough. Then a group of aliens swoops down from the sky and imposes a new system, lead by aliens that do not have our best interests at heart.

stigchel

What the alien races have to push for is giving information to the publics because our govts won't do it. The publics want it, need it, have a right to it and are demanding it. The alien races are not imposing- they have been offering their help through our leadership and still are. If we humans decide to change things but can't do it on our own, the alien races can and will help us if we ask, and many of us are and the numbers are growing. Besides this, all of the alien races visiting Earth have our best interests at heart, but they have all the races' best interests at heart. They are not angels, and not unlimited. There are problems which can't be solved without opening communication and sharing information.

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Why would I say this? Because of your choice of words. 'Push the matter, because..." In other words, if they fail to get us into the flock, we will start to become a threat to them in some way, shape or form. We, as a planet, need to be enlightened now, before we do something not alltogether beneficial to the rest of our galactic neighbours.
In short "resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated, you will comply". Give up everything we hold dear, our entire understanding of the universe, our entire moral frame and civil structure.

It is true that if we humans do not learn the rules of exploring the Universe, we will not be allowed to explore. The other races can't take us over or tell us how to live, but they can keep our threat away from themselves. Humanity is all different factions. One faction is preventing the other factions from progressing and from working toward peace. If the alien races wanted to assimilate us they would have done that long ago.

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And for what? We are just a small planet with small people, lacking any major ability to influense the greater galaxis around us. Why would anyone bother with this worthless third rock from the sun (I'm just a fountain of reference)? Let's assume the alien's motives are purely altruistic. That they know something we don't and are here to tell us to do things differently or suffer the consequences or our own actions. Very nice of them, sure enough, a bit of warning is always good. But there is also such a thing as freedom of choice. One of the major constructs of your entire civilisation. Freedom of religion, freedom of speach and a freedom to make up your own mind.

The other races bother with us for the same good reason we in one country bother with other countries, to bring us together so we can coexist in peace and help each other progress. You and I deserve freedom of choice, religion and speech, yet our leading govts are denying us that by hiding our choices of whether to make gains by allying with all the other races in our area. We individuals are by right of heritage and nature deserving of the relationship with other life.

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How then, I put it to you, can you consider imposing themselves and their plans on us to be altruistic. Any forced change, even change for the better, flies right in the face of freedom of choice. If we, as a planet, do not wish their presense, guidance or counsil, no matter how silly that may be, they should at least have the respect to pretend not to interfere.

You go right past the idea that most of us have elected representation. People like us govern us. Never mind global conspiracy, the people that shield us from this knowledge are people like ourselves, reacting like we would.

I want to make my own choices. You and I elect our leaders to work for us. Our leaders are doing things against their publics for their own reasons, not ours. In denying us information and in sabotaging public opinion against other life, we are not being represented well. You are right that we are one race, but not all individuals are the same. I, myself, prefer to share information about alien life with all humans, so that all humans can decide whether we would like to gain from them. I don't think my president can make that decision for me without my consent or even my knowledge. I would like to hear from the aliens myself.

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There is a phylosofical theorum that states that no being, sentient or otherwise can ever work without at least some degree of egocentrism. Even the most selfless act has some merrit to the self of the being. There is no such thing as a free lunch

That theorem is a human idea only. The merit for the alien people here is personal and not for payment of money. The goal is peace. The individuals who work here are the volunteer and elected professionals of their races, working to ensure the peace between us.

Think: Do you ever perform a deed for the personal satisfaction of helping others, out of your willingness to contribute? Or do you only ever do anything constructive if it is for your own self? The alien races do not have personal needs for money for food or housing or to provide basics for their families. They do not deny others their vital assistance unless they get paid some extra thing above and beyond. You have to consider a lot of things that are different about us and advanced life in order to have an informed opinion about what the other races are doing here.

masterchi

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Nice drawings.

Nice photo
[afbeelding]

Thank you

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Can you tell me more about the drawings? especially this one
[transmision drawing]

I don't know anything about this drawing.

Iplover

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I saw this topic in this forum here today. Starchild
It has some pics of sculls and of an alien. You said you never seen a true picture of an alien, so this would probably be a fake one too. But are these sculls real? And are they alien? Or is it of a alien-human hybrid as someone said there? Or is this just human, cause I know that humans can have strange abnormalities in there face, only they die as a baby (I think so, cause it where all babies in this preserving liquid)?

I have no reason to believe that any of these sculls are of any alien people. Just the fact that they are depicted as such is a testament that they cannot be. The foreign makeup of chemical matter would be immediately, completely apparent. No further testing would display it any better. The rarity and worth would surpass the greatest jewels and not be left behind or unclaimed. If there was any truth to the claims, these people who present them as alien would not be left free to do so.

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EarthSister, I am not saying that your stories are bogus. But with out some tangible evidence there is no discussion possible if you make claims of this magnitude. With out it, everything you say is moot.

Bucc4n33R

Hai. I have read over all of your comments and I appreciate your position very much. I don't mind your speaking up, because it would be foolish if people did not do that.

I won't argue, but I will explain that there is "plenty" of tangible evidence of alien life on our planet. It is being hidden from your view and disguised right in front of your eyes by those who dictate to you what it is. I, myself, do not have any physical evidence -- not to prove the existence of alien life, their visitation to Earth or my own personal experiences with them. The best proof right now happens when somebody else has their own experience.

What I say is not moot at all. It is vital to have information about the alien races before the general publics are faced with dealing with the reality of visitation. Otherwise the confusion and disarray will make the publics vulnerable to their own misperceptions as well as to the propaganda. If you know something about the aliens, whether you believe it or not, when it happens to you you will be better prepared to handle it. The way you handle your own experiences, or those of your loved ones, is what will either help you progress or just traumatize your life. If you already have some good ideas of the truth, and some consideration beforehand, you can say, "Wait, I have heard about this -- I know what to do." If you have no preparation, you may fall into the common reactions you see around you now, and believe "anything" you are told by authorities.

Take a look at the Mexican Air Force incident from earlier this year. I know you probably can't and don't believe that this is an authentic alien event, and I don't blame you. But if you don't, tell me "why" not. Exactly what things prevent you from believing that these are alien crafts?

http://www.rense.com/general52/deff.htm
Video: http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/news/3292542/detail.html

If you have a problem with the links, see if you can find them in a search for the event. There are many sites on the Internet for it.

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Very understandable Bucc4n33r

We all would like to see something as prove.
These aliens seem to be in contact with certain humans, so that doesn't seem to be the problem.
So why not distribute some evidence so it can be shown to the ones who are really interested, doesn't have to be on the tv-news, just for those who ask for it.

I dont understand the aliens ... in a way they seek contact but on the other hand they avoid it ?
What's the use then ?

UncleScorp

There is a precarious balance between people knowing, and people knowing the truth. This balance is being manipulated against the relationship between us by Earth authorities. As long as the publics do not know there is any alien life, the public is safe from the false beliefs about it. As soon as people see the aliens, that makes them believe "whatever" about them, and most of the information that is fed them is bogus for the purpose of promoting natural fear and mistrust.

The alien races "desperately" want all humans to know they are here. But it is no progression if the individuals of the publics only believe the aliens are monsters. In fact it is counterproductive, and creates more tanglement that will have to be undone on the way to opening contact.

Say you are the new kid coming to school, and a number of leading popular kids set you up before you get there, so all the kids in your class will have you pegged as an outsider. "You have killed and eaten your cat, you have no emotion, you tell lies, you have dirty habits, etc." When you walk in, what kind of a response will you get? How hard is it to frame somebody with a detrimental reputation? Only those who give you a chance and who think for themselves and realize the motives of those who are building your reputation will be prepared to welcome you. Unfortunately, still many humans do not think for themselves.

Hardly anybody knows the aliens. But everyone is so afraid and defensive. What does this tell you?

The more the aliens show themselves carefully here and there, the more people talk about it and think. But if the aliens show themselves too much too fast, the authorities can use it as evidence against the aliens. Such as, if something is damaged or missing, the authorities can blame it on the aliens. If you don't already know better from your personal knowledge of the aliens themselves, you would believe your authorities. As long as you don't believe alien life is real, you will not have "evidence" of the lies against them. The more time you have to consider the truth, the more ready you will be to recognize it when you see them.

If this seems like such a long drawn-out process, consider the length of a point in evolution. Consider how long it takes to break human thought patterns of religions out from under those who impose them. Usually wide changes take several generations after a major event to have some affect. Also consider the pleas of the alien races to our leaders to inform their publics of their visitation, and the govts threats to the aliens to stay away. When the aliens show up, it makes the aliens responsible in some way for the bad things that may happen. Even if a person disappears, you will think the aliens took them. If you saw a craft tonight, our leaders could announce on TV (or leak through the ufo field) that the aliens have begun their invasion. You would not know what to believe. The plan to keep people confused and in disbelief is working. Look around, this is exactly what is already happening.

As more and more individual people get to know the aliens and talk with others, the effectiveness of govt manipulation is breaking down. This is infinitely more productive by covering more subjects and issues than proving to everyone that the aliens are here.

Bucc4n33R

I just wrote a long response to you, but it came out sounding pretty defensive, probably just because I am a little tired. So I am deleting it. I will save it and modify it later if I decide to answer you with it again. You raised some good points that should be addressed and I don't mean to skip over your posts.

[ Bericht 96% gewijzigd door EarthSister op 02-10-2004 23:34:03 (mood check) ]

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What I want to know, is what your opinion is about Whitley Strieber's book "Communion", also known from the what slightly different movie with Cristopher Walken. There are similarities with alien characters as seen at your site. Is he still the same fiction writer as before or is it plausible that he's telling the truth?

Price

The story of "Communion" is all true, only ever so slightly sensationalized for the Hollywood movie. Understand that the story is told through this man's perception of it, though. What you see and hear is not a picture of what happened, it's a picture of what Strieber experienced. This distinction is important.

The Blue and The White, who I depict on my site, are members of the same two races that Strieber encountered. The White is not a member of "The Greys" as broadly assumed. The Blue and The White are the second and third races that Jack and I have been introduced to.

The images of the small brownish beings with blue clothes is more correct in Strieber's movie than in my drawing on my site. The image of The White on my site is more correct than those in Strieber's movie or the cover of his book. The Blue's race is the race who reside inside of our neighbor planet Mars. I do not know where The White's race resides, but it is not on Mars. I asked and was denied that information.

Not all media depictions of true events with alien life are done as well or with the integrity that this one was.

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Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2004 22:55 schreef Tatie het volgende:
Dear Earthsister,

Why are the aliens so intrested in us, and why do they want to help us

Greets Tatie.

Hai, Tatie

We are one race of many races of people. We are one of all of them. We are all the same kind, sharing this space and evolution. We are family and friends who belong together.

Understand that this is hard to fathom for such a young, egotistical, hostilely defensive race of people who have not even united their own countries yet.

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

EarthSister

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it very much.

I will try to explain why your stories are moot and irrelevant. I don't want to belittle you and the things you are telling us when I refer to what you are saying to be stories. It is just a matter of semantics. Nothing more nothing less.

They are moot because they are scientifically and and philosophically unsatisfying. I order to weigh the significance of a story or thesis we can apply a few rules and we have a few very useful yardsticks at our disposal as well. I want to emphasize that it doesn't mean that your stories are false or untrue. They are simply moot when one is willing to think about it without prejudice. In fact, in this thread, you challenged people not to believe you straight away but to think for themselves. Well, I am merely picking up the glove

First the Philosophical part.

This is all about the truth. Truth, as a noun, refers to the quality of being in accord with fact or reality. Truth is a comprehensive term that in all of its nuances implies accuracy and honesty:

I want to know if you are telling the truth. And since you made it clear that you can't disclose any facts, which is highly unsatisfactory to start with, we also can't measure the accuracy of your stories,. So we are left with nothing else but the " reality"and the "honesty" part of this definition.

An objective observer isn't able to tell whether you are honest or not. I like to believe you are so we will leave it at that. But please note that I said "like to believe" which means that I am giving you the benefit of the doubt but have no way of knowing.

Which brings us to "reality" as being the only part of the definition of truth that we can work with. Please understand that even if we are able to establish that your stories are in accordance with reality, the absence of "fact" and "accuracy" can't allow us to regard them as to be " true".

I regret to say that nothing you said is changing reality. And thus are these stories irrelevant, safe from some entertainment value. Reality is a slippery thing. What is presented as reality or real does not automatically mean that there isn't anything beyond that reality.

An example. For centuries, people were not able to travel very far. Simply because the means to travel a great distance were not invented yet. The REAL world of the people in, let say, a small town somewhere in Europe was limited to what they knew to exist in a 30 mile radius. In this example, I will call them the Villagers. Their world and their perception of reality happened within this radius. They were born, lived, loved and died within this small patch of world and everything that they knew to be "real" was also limited to this radius.

This doesn't mean that at the time there were not people living in Africa or Australia doing the exact same thing. But the people in Africa or Australia didn't play any role or didn't alter anything to the reality or existence of the Villagers in that 30 mile wide patch I described earlier. They were there, somewhere else on this globe, but might as well have not been there. It wouldn't have made a difference to the Villagers. I can imagine that the Villagers would have told each other stories of people living beyond the horizon but these stories were as irrelevant to the truth as stories about the great monster of the north sea or the stories that if you travel too far in a certain direction you will fall from the face of the earth. They could have told each other anything and everything but without being able to checking those stories out, it didn't change the reality of their small world one bit.

Assuming that you speak the truth and you are doing this in order to prepare us to handle the reality of visitation by aliens. How can your stories help to prepare us if nothing you say can be verified? In other words, how is this changing our reality? In order to prepare ourselves ,what is the difference between your stories and the ones who are fabricated and made up?

You warn us not to believe the government(s) for they will never disclose the truth about this matter. In other words, they are fabricating stories in order to mask reality. But we can't verify who is telling the truth. The government or you. So one of the two is lying. Now, considering everything you have said so far, we can't say for sure whether you are lying or telling the truth. And it would be unwise - and not to mention rude- to make such accusations. But you don't seem to have any trouble at all of accusing the governments of lying to us.

You said that there is plenty of tangible evidence of alien life on our planet. What kind of evidence are you referring to? What kind of evidence is out there that supports the thesis that we are indeed visited by aliens. You posted two links about the Mexican Air force Incident. I looked at them and found them to be very interesting. But how does this incident validate anything you said? Sure, we see a number of Un-identified Flying Objects. What evidence do you have that IDENTIFIES them as being alien?

Again, for all we know these objects are still unidentified so they could be a number of things, from the very mundane to the very exotic. But nothing indicates that these lights are of alien origin at all. We don't need the introduction of aliens to describe what we are seeing. But we also can't reject the hypothesis that this are indeed alien spacecraft until proved otherwise.

Another example: I present two almost identical theories.

1)The planets move around the sun in ellipses because there is a force between any of them and the sun which decreases as the square of the distance.

Let's alter this statement a little

2)The planets move around the sun in ellipses because there is a force between any of them and the sun which decreases as the square of the distance. This force is generated by the will of some powerful aliens.

Since the force between the planets and the sun determines the motion of the former and both theories posit the same type of force, the predicted motion of the planets will be identical for both theories. the second theory, however, has additional baggage (the will of the aliens) which is unnecessary for the description of the system.

If one accepts the second theory solely on the basis that it predicts correctly the motion of the planets one has also accepted the existence of aliens whose will affect the behavior of things, despite the fact that the presence or absence of such beings is irrelevant to planetary motion (the only relevant item is the type of force). In this instance we use something that is called Ockham's Razor. Ockham's razor would unequivocally reject the second theory. By rejecting this type of additional irrelevant hypotheses guards against the use of solid scientific results (such as the prediction of planetary motion) to justify unrelated statements (such as the existence of the aliens) which may have dramatic consequences. In this case the consequence is that the way planets move, the reason we fall to the ground when we trip, etc. is due to some powerful alien intellect, that this intellect permeates our whole solar system, it is with us even now...and from here an infinite number of paranoid derivations.

For all we know the solar system is permeated by an alien intellect, but the motion of the planets, which can be explained by the simple idea that there is a force between them and the sun, provides no evidence of the aliens' presence nor proves their absence.

I am also very skeptical about the way the aliens look. They seem to share a very distinctive evolutionary similarity with us humans which needs further explanation. But more about that in an other post, if you are willing to continue , of course.

regards




[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Bucc4n33R op 03-10-2004 20:53:00 ]

Thanks EarthSister. Your answer is exactly what I expected.

Here are some pics from the movie to illustrate the characters to other forum members.

the White:


the Blue:


[ Bericht 11% gewijzigd door Price op 03-10-2004 20:54:30 ]

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Op zondag 3 oktober 2004 19:40 schreef Bucc4n33R het volgende:
EarthSister

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it very much.

That's a lot of text just to let her know you are having doubts about what she is saying.

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 14:35 schreef jogy het volgende:

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That's a lot of text just to let her know you are having doubts about what she is saying.

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Yes, fortunately I didn't only express my doubts, I also explained why. I even explained that everybody who is wiling to abandon their prejudices should have doubts. And I made it fit all on one page

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 15:26 schreef Bucc4n33R het volgende:

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Yes, fortunately I didn't only express my doubts, I also explained why. I even explained that everybody who is wiling to abandon their prejudices should have doubts. And I made it fit all on one page

It's always nice to see users that really take the time before they press 'invoeren'.

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 15:37 schreef jogy het volgende:

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It's always nice to see users that really take the time before they press 'invoeren'.

Thank you.

i am usually not that long winded.

BTW, I am new on this forum and don't know the un-written rules and modes of conduct on this board so I like to make clear that although this post was addressed to EarthSister, I really welcome everybody to comment on the things I wrote.

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 16:15 schreef Bucc4n33R het volgende:

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Thank you.

i am usually not that long winded.

BTW, I am new on this forum and don't know the un-written rules and modes of conduct on this board so I like to make clear that although this post was addressed to EarthSister, I really welcome everybody to comment on the things I wrote.

Don't worry, anybody who has any urge to get into your bookwork of a post will not refrain to do so .

Anyway, i'm not really sure what you are trying to accomplish withj your post there, this is not meant as criticism or something but in a way you are explaining the obvious here.

And the only thing Earthsister wants to do is get you thinking about so when ( or if ) the time comes the people won't assume the worst when the aliens show their face. And seeing these topics and the viewrates they generate i think that it's working pretty well. It's up to yourself what you do with the things she's telling you.

I'm not really sure if ockhams razor is really applicable here, or at least not correctly..

If you take Earthsisters explanation and put it next to the official standpoint of whatever goverment you may choose, then the story of earthsister has a more satisfactory outcome when you look at all the cases you have with sightings and stuff. Offcourse there are fakes roaming the internet, everybody who has Photoshop can create something inexplainable.

But it's a bit unrealistic (imo ) to assume that every single photo that has ever been taken of something inexplainable or that every sighting that has been reported is a fake.

The only way to be sure is when you look at the sky and see some glowing ball fly around before your eyes end shoot out of sight in 3 seconds or something.

Bottomline is that there is no proof to be given from her. So i guess it will stay a moot for you untill they actually land and let themselves be known or when they display an airshow when you are walking your dog ( so if you don't have one, buy one )

By the way, will your reaction be the same when the aliens show up tomorrow in comparison to a few weeks ago?

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 17:49 schreef jogy het volgende:

If you take Earthsisters explanation and put it next to the official standpoint of whatever goverment you may choose, then the story of earthsister has a more satisfactory outcome when you look at all the cases you have with sightings and stuff. Offcourse there are fakes roaming the internet, everybody who has Photoshop can create something inexplainable.

I think that this is exactly what Bucc4n33r wants to avoid: Emotions. A "satifactory outcome" is always based on subjective reasoning. Both EarthSister and the government may be right or wrong, unless evidence to the contrary will be provided.

Although I tend to believe that most ufo's are indeed alien aircrafts, I always keep in mind that they are still unidentified.

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 18:31 schreef Price het volgende:

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I think that this is exactly what Bucc4n33r wants to avoid: Emotions. A "satifactory outcome" is always based on subjective reasoning. Both EarthSister and the government may be right or wrong, unless evidence to the contrary will be provided.

Yeah, everything you believe about this is based on what you want to believe. And this applies to everybody, the people that do believe there's more to it than weatherbaloons and Venus and people that don't.

hi again nancy

you forgot to answer my question from the last topic: are there any authentic photo's of crop circles or aliens that you know of?

and another question:
have the aliens given you something? like a jewel or something? or did they enhance your body with certain technologies? like something which expands your lifespawn or something?

thanks again