NASA ufo's :D .. sts 37.. 48 ..51 ..80.. 96 (bingo)(enz)

Op woensdag 22 september 2004 16:31 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Zie de docu "The Secret NASA Transmissions - The Smoking Gun", let op de beelden van de Tether, en vergeet niet adem te halen.

The STS-75 incident: In the winter of '96, Columbia was testing the $100 million Italian Tethered Satellite System, a ball-shaped device linked to a rod-and-reel deployment spool by a cable stretching 12 miles at maximum extension. The experiment was designed to see how well tethers could generate electricity in space. But it ended abruptly when the cable snapped.

During shuttle video acquisition of the broken tether, the black void around the dismembered hardware began swarming with particles and beads of light, resembling an organic soup beneath a microscope. The tether appeared surrounded by the objects.

"You guys getting the image?''

"Franklin, we see a long line, a couple of starlike things, and a lot of things swimming in the foreground. Can you describe what you're seeing?''

"Well, the long line is a tether. Um, there's a little bit of debris that, uh, kinda flies with us and, uh, it's illuminated by the sun at such low angles. There's a lotta stray light and it's getting washed out quickly, but Claude is doing a good job trying to adjust the camera.''

It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear:
'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.'

When small, drifting debris particles are hit by this RCS plume they are violently accelerated away from the jet. This is what is seen in the infamous "Case 2" sequence, where a flash (the jet firing) is immediately followed by all nearby particles being pushed away from the jet, followed shortly later by a fast moving object (evidently RCS fuel ice) departing from the direction of the jet (the streak is caused by the slow camera speed). If one plotted all the departure lines of the pushed debris and the expelled ice, they would converge at the jet's location

Authentic investigations of these kinds of apparitions -- most notoriously
from STS-48 in 1991 and STS-80 in 1996, but also on STS-63 in 1995 and on
other flights -- shows a striking and highly suggestive pattern. The white
dots appear when the shuttle moves into sunlight, or slightly afterwards as
the small nearby objects drift out of the shuttle's own shadow. They move in
straight lines except when shuttle thrusters fire, as documented by telemetry
and synchronized with time-tagged tapes of the motion, or when the shuttle
camera is pan/tilting, or when they drift near the edge of the wide-angle
camera lenses. In other words, the dots appear to act exactly like small
spaceship-derived debris is expected to act, and has been seen to act for
nearly forty years.
[...]
The STS-96 fly-past, for example, looks like a nearby (and hence
out-of-focus) piece of shuttle payload bay debris, illuminated by the lights
of the shuttle as it drifts in front of one of the cameras. The STS-75 video
also appears to show very nearby objects passing in front of the tether far
behind them -- the pixel resolution is nowhere near good enough to justify
concluding the objects can be seen passing BEHIND the tether.

Op woensdag 22 september 2004 17:15 schreef coz het volgende:
tja en als ze het over de kerstman hebben geloof je ook dat er daadwerkelijk een kerstman vliegt ?
ze mogen het niet over ufo's hebben

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maar wat vindt je van die andere filmpjes dan The_stranger ?

MERCURY 8 October 3, 1963 (Wally Schirra)

Rumored to have seen a UFO and coined the term "Santa Claus" as a
code word for UFO. He reported seeing glowing masses over the Indian
ocean which were in fact night time lightning clouds. These lights have
been taken out of context as being a UFO sighting.

"We have been informed that Santa Claus does exist!".

Op woensdag 22 september 2004 17:23 schreef The_stranger het volgende:
STS36 moet 37 zijn (kijk maar naar de source ban je plaatje)

een verklaring voor sts 48/63/80 en andere vluchten:
http://www.csicop.org/list/listarchive/msg00018.html

None of these dots has said "hello", yet

Op woensdag 22 september 2004 17:32 schreef The_stranger het volgende:
het verhaal van de kerstman is lichtelijk anders:

Wally Schirra aan boord van de mercury 8 begon met het code woord santa claus. Wat hij echter zag waren onweerswolken

veel later, tijdens de apollo 8 vlucht zei Lovell letterlijk:
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Hij zei dat op eerste kerstdag... mmm

Tussen deze twee vluchten (5 jaar) zijn verschillende UFO's gezien (bijna allemaal verklaard) en nooit is de term santa claus gebruikt. Ook na apollo 8 is het niet meer gebruikt, ook al zag de crew "vreemde" dingen...

Een echt code woord kun je het dan niet meer noemen, plus maakt het wel aannemelijk dat Lovell een grapje maakte..

Op woensdag 22 september 2004 17:34 schreef coz het volgende:

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oeps nu nog in de TT

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dat zei ik al
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ik vroeg wat jij ervan vindt

maar wat is dus de verklaring voor filmpje van sts 80 ??

Er zijn 379 ingelogde gebruikers en 388 gasten aanwezig.

als je in aliens geloofd ben je gek

Op woensdag 22 september 2004 17:57 schreef coz het volgende:
detail is dat je geostationaire satellieten hebt en die zoals het ISS die rondom de aarde draaien
speel dat filmpje van sts80 eens sneller af .. ik vind die sateliet die ineens te voorschijn komt en een eind verderop weer de wolken induikt ook aardig grappig

Op woensdag 22 september 2004 18:44 schreef The_stranger het volgende:

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bedoel je het stipje middenboven, richting middenbeneden? (

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Volgens mij verdwijnt hij niet, je ziet het hele beeld op een gegeven moment een stuk donkerder worden.. (ongeveer op 40%) Ik denk dat je het stipje daardoor neit meer goed kan zien..

Op woensdag 22 september 2004 20:01 schreef coz het volgende:
valt me iig mee dat hier niet net alsin het disclosure topic eerst 4 topics eraan besteed worden dat het niets bewijst

Op woensdag 22 september 2004 22:18 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
hoi The_stranger , ik heb het gevoel dat jij (als je de originieel niet al gezien hebt !) de smoking gun wel zelf wil zien voor een oordeel geveld word ! ( 2 svcd's )

mail mij jmt1970@xs4all.nl

2 svcd's? mm dacht dat het een filmpje zou zijn van 20min

mail je (over)morgen....

Op donderdag 23 september 2004 10:40 schreef coz het volgende:
filmpjes zijn duidelijker

"NASA Scientist Admits "Giant ET Craft"
NASA now run by Intel. Agencies!
By Richard Boylan
From Perceptions August/September 1996

This past January 30, 1996, WRXF-FM in Charlotte, North Carolina featured NASA scientist Dr. Norman Bergrun, whose book, "The Ring- Makers of Saturn," reveals that NASA's voyager space-probes of Saturn's rings took photographs of an elliptical (cigar-shaped) craft, length estimated equal to Earth's diameter, orbiting in Saturn's rings. Dr. Bergrun said that large apertures could actually be seen in the side of this craft.

Confirming data was published in the February issue of "Science News' (vol. 149, No. 5, p.71), which reported that the Hubble Space Telescope photographed a large elliptical "satellite" orbiting Saturn's rings. In a follow-up photograph, it had disappeared. Two other very big, very bright, orbiting objects were photographed May 22 and August 10, 1995, but by Nov. 21, had also disappeared. When asked why NASA had not managed to get a photograph of the huge craft previously, Dr. Bergrun said, "They have a tendency to hide." The NASA scientists said that this giant craft is apparently doing something, possibly exerting an attractive force on Saturn's rings.

When asked why NASA and other governmental agencies haven't released this information before, Dr. Bergrun answered that the 1958 Space Act states that the public will be informed regarding results of space photos and data only if it is determined that suit data are not a threat and that a craft this huge would have been considered a threat and deemed to have great military significance. Thus, it would fall under "top black-budget, military-intelligence agencies."

*Operation Right To Know, a civilian volunteer organization dedicated to ending the UFO cover-up, recently relayed an insider report that a military-intelligence agency now controls NASA.

by Richard Boylan from Perceptions August/September 1996

Op donderdag 23 september 2004 21:08 schreef freud het volgende:
Sorry, maar ik vrees dat het weer in de aloude discussie gaat verzanden.

"Het is afval" en "het komt door de lichtinval", terwijl men de dingen die haakse hoeken maken maar gewoon links laat liggen. Ik ben al een tijdje geleden gestopt met proberen om mensen te overtuigen dat er iets niet klopt met de verklaringen van de instanties, gebruik makende van simpele feiten.

Ik accepteer maar dat men soms de waarheid niet onder ogen wil zien. De verklaring dat het ruimtestof is, gaat gewoon niet altijd op, it's that simple...

When asked why NASA had not managed to get a photograph of the huge craft previously, Dr. Bergrun said, "They have a tendency to hide." The NASA scientists said that this giant craft is apparently doing something, possibly exerting an attractive force on Saturn's rings.

When asked why NASA and other governmental agencies haven't released this information before, Dr. Bergrun answered that the 1958 Space Act states that the public will be informed regarding results of space photos and data only if it is determined that suit data are not a threat

Op donderdag 23 september 2004 21:52 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
aye etemenanki is reedlijke zware kost .

While president, Clinton asked long-time associate and assistant attorney general Webster Hubbell, “to find the answers to two questions for him: One who killed JFK; and two, are there UFOs?” Hubbell in his book, “Friends in High Places” says, “Clinton was dead serious.” Hubbell said, “he had looked into both, but Clinton wasn’t satisfied with the answers.”

Op zaterdag 25 september 2004 16:19 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
het is hier nu opeens stil , zou het komen omdat het dit keer geen ijsdeeltje blijkt te zijn?
zon effect van : oei we snappen het nu niet dus zeggen we niet wat het kan zijn , want als het is waar het op lijkt , nee dat kan toch niet , want dat is niet aannemelijk.

(in het algemeen bedoeld)

Op zaterdag 25 september 2004 20:43 schreef coz het volgende:
ja die zijn ook wel lief :')

Op zaterdag 25 september 2004 21:03 schreef coz het volgende:
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http://www.nasa.gov/vision/space/travelinginspace/no_ufo.html

Op zaterdag 25 september 2004 16:22 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
@The_stranger nog interesse ? ik heb nm nog geen mailtje ontvangen !

Op dinsdag 28 september 2004 03:01 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
ja stein ga maar weer slapen joh ! was een leuk intermetzo

Op dinsdag 28 september 2004 02:38 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
eh welke docu heb je het over ? ik mis iets..is ok al laat he

Op dinsdag 28 september 2004 03:09 schreef Steijn het volgende:
Voor kritische vragen is geen plaats ofzo?

Op dinsdag 28 september 2004 16:08 schreef coz het volgende:
kritische wel :')
enig idee hoeveel cases er zijn ?
enig idee hoeveel raporten van ufo's die met de pootjes op de grond hebben gestaan ?
nou in plaats van je naar allerlei sites te sturen
en om niet dit topic te verneuken
ufo sightings eengrote glimps in het totaal plaatje

Op maandag 27 september 2004 12:59 schreef coz het volgende:
http://img57.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img57&image=sts80.swf
heel ruw flashje van gemaakt .. frames zijn verkeerd gekozen het lijkt nu of het ook nog veranderd van snelheid .. voor het 'afdalen'
let vooral op deze ijskristallen

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~~filmpje :: http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/sts48b.mpeg~~

Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2004 22:20 schreef coz het volgende:
DOH

ik weet ook eindelijk waarom ik zo weinig reactie krijg in dit topic
het was de korte versie link naar die van sts-80
probeer deze eens

http://perso.club-internet.fr/netpat/video/sts80-1.mpeg

Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2004 12:19 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Coz, die dingen zien er volgens mij 't zelfde uit als de objecten die langs de Tether zweefden:

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Wat zijn dat voor dingen? Als 't reflectie is, reflectie van wat precies?

Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 14:13 schreef UncleScorp het volgende:
Over die tests met die zware metalen bol zou ik graag wel wat meer lezen ... toevallig een linkje ofzo ?
En hoe noemt die docu bittorrent ?

Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 00:32 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Hier heet ie: The Secret.NASA.Transmissions.The.Smoking.Gun(2004).DVDRIP.XViD.avi

CNN) -- Leroy Gordon Cooper, one of the nation's first astronauts who once set a space endurance record by traveling more than 3.3 million miles aboard Gemini 5 in 1965, died on Monday, NASA said. He was 77.

In his post-NASA career, Cooper became known as an outspoken believer in UFOs and charged that the government was covering up its knowledge of extraterrestrial activity.

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth," he told a United Nations panel in 1985.

"I feel that we need to have a top-level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the Earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion."

He added, "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us."

Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 09:47 schreef coz het volgende:
toch nog eens proberen
het was dus deze link !!

http://perso.club-internet.fr/netpat/video/sts80-1.mpeg
8mb 2minuten
en niet die van een paar seconden zoals in de OP

Op woensdag 13 oktober 2004 04:09 schreef ExtremeKnowledge het volgende:
ik heb de 2 600mb VHS opnames van The Case For Nasa Ufos, en ik heb Nasa the secret transmissions, the Smoking gun

Deze films worden geleverd met onder andere deze opnames, en dan allemaal met op dat moment Live commentaar..

Dit is Authentiek.. althans deze films zijn onbewerkt!.

Wat het allemaal is, mogen jullie zeggen. maar vallende sterren draaien niet om!

Op donderdag 10 maart 2005 19:26 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
heb je de docu gezien ?

Op donderdag 10 maart 2005 20:19 schreef francorex het volgende:
neen !
waar kan ik deze films downloaden ?

Op donderdag 10 maart 2005 20:33 schreef coz het volgende:

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probeer een electronische muilezel
desnoods email

Op vrijdag 11 maart 2005 19:20 schreef coz het volgende:
_{en verwijder je email nu weer uit dit topic}

[ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door francorex op 11-03-2005 19:21 ]

Op vrijdag 11 maart 2005 19:22 schreef coz het volgende:

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dat is snel

From: Dave Haith <visions.nul>
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:33:32 -0000
Fwd Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:43:40 -0500
Subject: Moon UFO On Lunar TV Transmission

Moon UFO On Lunar TV Transmission - Former NASA Employee

The report, below, is the recollection of a trusted friend of mine
who would be happy for the incident to be fully investigated by
researchers on this List.

To avoid giving him unnecessary hassle he would like to remain
incognito for the present but would probably be willing to go
public if his case was being treated seriously.

He is happy to communicate with anybody keen to get to grips
with his story - but initially prefers to do it through me via
email.

Write to me privately or via the List and I will forward on to
'D', who I have to say I have complete respect for. I have done
some checking on the Web and can find no inconsistencies
regarding his descriptions of the MSC and those who worked there
at the time. But I have neither the expertise, contacts or
resources to further investigate what appears to be a very
important case.

DH

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An Oil Drop On A Camera Lens

When I first started working for NASA, its initials, not the
name, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, was how it
was referred to. NASA is with whom I began employment in 1958 as
a security guard on Wayside in Houston Texas. They hadn't even
started building Manned Spacecraft Center at Webster yet, which
would later be called MSC at Clear Lake.

In 1961, I transferred to the Fire Department at the fledgling
MSC and started training as a Fire and Safety Technician. The
contractor responsible for Fire and Safety was Houston Fire and
Safety. They held the contract for five years, losing out to
Wackenhut Corporation out of Coral Gables Florida in 1966
because Wackenhut incorporated all phases of fire, safety and
security under one blanket contract. Some say that George
Wackenhut had first, Kennedy's, then Johnson's ear, but I
haven't seen proof of it.

Everybody who hired in as a Fire Fighter was cross-trained in
almost every aspect of maintenance operations. I attended
numerous schools on fire alarm systems, pump repair, electrical
and mechanical maintenance, physical plant operations, and last
and certainly not the least, fire, safety and security. We were
told that we had to pass a very rigid security clearance
investigation, and that our job would be forfeit if we did no
pass. I passed with flying colors and kept my job. There were
several who did not pass, and we were never told why they had
been laid off.

When I started, there were approximately three hundred eighty
men who were attached to the fire department there at MSC. I saw
a lot of men come and go during my twenty-six years of
employment, but I never saw anyone who was willing to speak out
about the rigid security. Even in later years, I kept in touch
with several of my closest friends, when conversations turned to
anything we were told not to talk about, there was always
someone there to remind us that we had been told not to discuss
it, even after we were no longer there.

I saw things, and heard statements from Astronauts that I didn't
discuss, even with my wife or family. It was like a gigantic
trust handed us and we honored it. To this day, I don't talk
about everything I heard when I was around the Astronauts, at
least not in detail.

There were several incidents that occurred during my tenure as
an employee and to several of the Fire Fighters that got all of
us thinking about how our government wasn't telling all they
knew. For instance, in Building #1 on Johnson Space center,
which was Building #2 when I first started work there, most of
the north center of the second floor was the "crypto" room. We
didn't know what went on in the room, but we did know that we
weren't allowed in the room under normal circumstances. However,
when an alarm came in at the Fire Station, we responded to the
floor of the building that showed up on the enunciator panel at
the station, One time, around 1964, we responded to Bldg.#2 to
find that the alarm originated from the "crypto" room.

However, the doors were open and we just walked in to check the
minor panel located there.

The whole east wall was covered with photos of UFOs. As we
finished up, the officer of that room came back in and found us
there. He actually pulled his sidearm and pointed it at us
before demanding to know why we had entered that room.

He eventually accepted our explanation, but it took Everette D.
Shafer*, head of NASA Security to vouch for us before the man
would shut off his threats towards us. Everette Shafer reminded
him, that had the armed officer been there in the room with the
door locked, the incident could have been avoided. No, that was
one very unhappy officer. I think he was Air Force, but I could
be wrong; he was a Captain, I do remember that. When I came back
from the Cape in 1968, we had another incident in the very same
room, and the same officer was there also.

This time, he had Mr. Shafer to give the okay for us to enter
the room, with him as our armed escort. But this time the walls
on all four sides were photo-to-photo of UFOs and other very
strange looking aircraft. We did our job, got out of there, but
Mr. Shafer and the officer both told us to not speak to anyone
of what we saw or observed in that room, ever!

During Man Rated Tests, the fire department was trained to be
rescuers should anything happen. Or job was to stand-by in
readiness during many long hours of boring, repetitious, and
meaningless exercises. Most times it was not the Astronauts
themselves who performed the exercises, rather it was trained
test subjects who did. We all became acquainted with them.

Buildings #7, #32, and #33 on Manned Spacecraft Center, were the
test sites for Vacuum Chamber related tests. In Building #32,
was housed the largest vacuum chamber in the free world. In
Building #33, was the ultra-high vacuum test chamber, and
Building #7 housed three test chambers. Building #7 is also
where the Astronauts Space suits were manufactured.

Throughout the sixties, we performed numerous duties, some at
MSC, while others were at Area 2000 at Ellington AFB in Genoa,
Texas. Area 2000 was where the Lunar Landing Training Vehicle
was tested and flown by test pilots and Astronauts. I was Crew
Chief of the Contract Fire Department personnel at Area 2000 for
close to a year, working all three shifts due to loss of
personnel or whatever, but eventually being promoted up the
ladder to Training Officer.

Not anything really special happened while I was Training
Officer, but I did get to go places that was off limits to other
personnel. It was one of my jobs to draw the pre-fire attack
plans for every building on Site, to accomplish that job, I had
the need to enter all buildings and accurately record everything
of interest towards fire, safety, and security onto drawings.
That is why I remember so much detail concerning the buildings,
their locations, the interior layouts, and where all exits and
equipment relating to Fire, Safety and Security were located.

Another part of everyone's job was the Safety patrols during any
mission. From the first day on the job, before we were trained
to become good little NASA Fire Fighters, we were told that we
would perform various duties during our employment, that we
would be constantly training, ensuring that we all would have
the latest knowledge to do our job with the highest of
proficiency.

Part of the training regimen was to know, and I do mean know,
every building so intimately that we could draw a set of plans
for them in our sleep. We ate, slept, and dreamed of building
plans; construction materials inside and out, how many panels
and manufacturer name of all alarm systems; how to repair or
reset those systems; what was in the buildings that could be
dangerous to us during emergencies.etc. but mostly the interior
layout, hallways, exits, room locations.

With that small introduction, I will now attempt to give you the
details of the safety patrols for Integrated Mission Control
Center, commonly known as Building #30 on Johnson Space Center.

Building #30 is not just one building, rather it is two separate
buildings, each having distinct functions. There is the
Administrative side that houses support personnel, and the
Mission Operations Control Rooms, otherwise known as the MOCR.
By the way, at the time I was there, the Admin side of Building
#30 was the building that housed the office of James Oberg.

There are two MOCR's located in IMCC, one on the second floor
and one on the third floor. The building is like a big square,
windowless structure sitting right next to the Southwestern Bell
building. You can't miss it, because it is the only building
that looks like it. Three stories inside, it looks more like a
five- storied structure from the outside. As you have most
likely ascertained by now, there are some very high ceilings
inside the MOCR's.

Although we were never told we couldn't go into the MOCR's
during missions, all of the safety inspectors assumed that we
weren't welcome, that maybe we would be a distraction. However,
we were allowed in every section surrounding the MOCR's.

On the second and third floors, there was the outside section,
and the center section with a hallway completely around the
inside of the building that separated the outside section from
the inside. The outside section of the building housed the air
handlers, workshops, soft and hardware support offices, and tool
rooms, while the inside portion was dedicated to the MOCR and
it's support.

In the MOCR itself, was a huge screen that stretched across the
entire wall. It was the mission map, which kept the technicians
apprised where the vehicle was at any given moment during its
orbits above the earth. On one end was the big television
screen, which received its picture from a large bank of cameras
directly behind the screen.

Those cameras generated a lot of heat, and part of our duty
during inspections was to make sure that there weren't any
ignitable materials in that area. It was kept dark for some
reason, but the cameras gave off enough light so a person didn't
stumble around in there. It was also very cold most of the time,
especially during missions.

At the back of the MOCR is a series of glass windows. These
windows are set into the wall that makes up the barrier that
separates the viewing room from the MOCR. The viewing room has
two doors for entry. Entry is accomplished by getting off the
elevator, taking a right down the hall, and the first door is
the first entryway. About twenty-five feet further down the hall
is the second door. Situated between them is a small door about
three to four feet high. This door lets a maintenance technician
into the area under the viewing room.

On each side of the room, to the front are located phone booths,
one on each side of the window. There are about eight rows of
seats with a set of slight stairs that separate them into two
sections. The seats are similar to any seat you may see in a
movie house, but way more comfortable.

Mounted on the wall above the big windows are two large screen
colored TV's with several high mounted speakers so the viewer
can listen in to the conversations between the Astronauts and
the ground crews.

At the back of the room, right at the top of the center stairs,
is a minor alarm panel. It was this minor alarm panel that
safety had to monitor during all missions. The room was
relatively quiet, cool and very comfortable. It was here I
always chose to take a pipe break. My partner was also a pipe
smoker, so we shared stories, listened to the quiet banter
between the ground crew and the vehicle, and actually didn't pay
much attention to what was going on in the MOCR.

Nothing out of the way ever occurred in the Missions, but during
one particular Mission, something so unique happened that I
would always remember it. Jim Baker and I had been doing the
regular routine safety inspection during a Manned Mission to the
Moon.

We entered the viewing room at the end of our patrol, and as was
our wont, sat at the back of the room to enjoy a pipe. We both
smoked a pipe, and the viewing room allowed smokers. We had been
there for no longer than fifteen minutes, it may have been
longer, but I doubt it, when the stage left door opened and in
walked several, at least five of the upper echelon
administrators of Johnson Space Center.

Uh, it actually wasn't called Johnson Space Center at that time;
rather the name was Manned Spacecraft Center. Anyway, I do know
that one of the people was definitely Chrome Dome, as we were
irreverently known to call Dr. Gilruth. At that time I had hair
and found it funny to refer to one of the finest minds our
country had by the moniker, "Chrome Dome."

Just prior to their entering the viewing room, Jim and I noticed
that the Technicians in the MOCR had gotten up and left the
room. Now, that isn't unusual during a normal EVA, but the
Astronauts were in Hadley's Rille. They couldn't be seen because
they were over the edge, down in the Rille itself. The Lunar
Rover was about thirty, maybe forty or more yards from the edge,
and had the left front camera on the spot where the Astronauts
had disappeared. You could hear the Astronauts voices talking,
but as in most of the dialogs, we weren't paying close attention
to what they were saying. We did notice the technicians getting
up and leaving the MOCR. Jim is the one who actually said
something about it.

"Looks as if everyone got a bee in their bonnet at the same
time, don't it?" "Most probably their piss and lunch break," I
offered. It was right after I made that statement, that Dr.
Gilruth entered, and several others came in with him. They
didn't look back, just went to the center of the viewing room
and were talking excitedly among themselves and pointing towards
the big screen to the right of the main screen in the MOCR.

Jim and I then paid close attention to what was on the screen.
There was an object above the spot where the Astronauts were
supposed to be in Hadley's Rille, just hovering. I am totally
positive as to it being an object; it was round, it had a shiny
side with a shadow side, with the shadow side matching the
shadows on the moon, and though all the video shots coming from
the moon looked black and white, they could actually have been
in color. The harsh lighting was probably responsible for the
illusion of black and white.

Anyway, The object started a slow move from screen left to
screen right. The camera on the left front of the Rover followed
the object as it moved screen right. Soon it was apparent that
it actually wasn't moving screen right, but was circling the
Rover.

The Rover has two mounted cameras on it. One camera was mounted
on the left front and one on the right rear. As the object came
into view of the right rear, that camera picked up the object
and continued tracking it as it circled, very slowly around the
Rover. It finally came to the point where the right rear camera
could no longer follow it, so the left front camera picked up
the image again and followed it to where it was once more above
where the Astronauts were in Hadley's Rille.

I uttered something that brought us to the attention of Dr.
Gilruth and the others. "What the crap is that? What caused me
to utter that phrase was, the object took off straight up and
went out of sight in less than a second. It may have been
longer, but seemed like it was gone in the blink of an eye, but
I was still aware that it had actually gone straight up.

One of the men there, I still think it was Everette Shafer,
turned and asked us what we were doing in the room, and we told
them that we were there to inspect the fire alarm panel at the
rear of the room and to take our smoke break. And to ask a
question of our own. "What in hell was that about?"

Can you believe they actually told us it was a drop of oil on
the lens of the camera on the moon? Truth! Now, I am not stupid,
though I have done a few stupid things in my life, like getting
married the first time, but I know a pile of schlock when I hear
it! It wasn't a drop of oil, no way!

I opened my mouth and said, "There's no way it was on the lens
on the camera on the moon."

"The temperature would freeze the drop solid."

Which the man holding my clearance in his hand, reading my name
replied, "I mean it was a drop of oil on the camera lens at the
back of that screen." To which he pointed. Okay, it was a good
place to shut up and get out of the viewing room, but.. Once
more I said something because as I have previously stated, I'm
not stupid!

"There's no way that drop of oil is on any one of those lenses
at the back of the screen, because of the temperature."

"The heat is high enough back there to set the drop of oil on
fire."

Who ever it was holding my badge in his hand, says, "If you want
to keep your job, you'll get out of here and keep your mouth
shut about what occurred here."

Not about what I saw, not about why I was in there, just get out
and keep my mouth shut about what had occured. I pulled away
from him, turned to Jim and said lets go.

When we exited the room, to our surprise, there was Dick Nieber
and Loring E. Williams of security on the doors. They were as
surprised at seeing us come out of the room as we were at seeing
them standing guard there. Further, they told us that Andrado
and two others were on the rear doors to keep unauthorized
people out of there.

Then they told us their story: They were pulled away from
vehicular patrol and told to go immediately to IMCC and the
second floor MOCR viewing room and stand guard until further
notice. They were told that absolutely nobody other than Dr.
Gilruth and the people who were with him were to be allowed into
the room. It's no wonder our being there disturbed Dr. Gilruth
and the others; we weren't supposed to be there.

When Nieber asked us what had happened in there, we told them we
couldn't discuss it. They thought that the Astronauts had been
killed. That was what had been circulating between them while
they were guarding the doors to the viewing room. Wrong! That
same evening, I sat at the typewriter and wrote out everything,
time, date, place, and mission, plus all the names I could
remember of who were there with all the facts concerning the
incident, and asked Jim Baker to read it and sign it. He read it
and signed it on condition that I would give him a copy of the
report. I went to the copier, and made six complete copies of
the report and gave Jim one of them.

Incidentally, when we arrived back at the fire station, Sgt.
Thomas Walsh asked us to come to the dispatcher's office to
speak to him. He closed the door and told us that he'd received
a call from Shafer, that no matter what we had seen or heard in
the viewing room, we were not supposed to discuss it with anyone
at all, ever, because it had to do with National Security.
"National Security over a drop of oil on a camera lens?" I think
not!

Jim Baker died in 1983 of a sudden heart attack. He was forty-
six and one of my best friends and we got together regularly at
his home, in his gun shop to discuss different people and
things. The last time I saw him alive, I asked him if he still
had his report hidden away and he told me he had actually burned
his copy, but had given a copy to another friend from West
Virginia who wanted it.

I retired in 1979, and moved to Austin Texas. I was security
dispatcher for the LBJ Presidential Library there in Austin when
I got a call from Jim's daughter, Amey, telling me that her
father had passed away early that morning.

Jim's last words to me, there in his little gun shop was, "You
sure raised hell over that drop of oil, but you were right, they
were full of shit and you knew it."

*:Spelling may be Sheaffer, or Sheafer

OK, what dumbass released this to the press?!!!

Op donderdag 24 maart 2005 17:31 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
Ja is een goede met een speciaal einde

(Nixon,Kubrick und der man im mond )

kreeg net een leuk foto'tje die ik jullie niet wilde onthouden en zeker niet het commentaar van de prominente antie-hoaxer

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zijn comentaar :
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zijn wat nieuwe NASA docu's enz bijgekomen..de uitzending start zo weer !

Op vrijdag 25 maart 2005 00:37 schreef coz het volgende:
lol

(merlin was met die foto niet echt serieus

)

Op donderdag 24 maart 2005 18:57 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
coz ik zou zeggen bekijk de webcast ! filmpjes zat

(laatste regel signature)

Op vrijdag 20 mei 2005 12:13 schreef coz het volgende:
een schopje ... wat lief

Op zaterdag 21 mei 2005 05:08 schreef derekhugh het volgende:
e coz man././../ Salvad0R hier..
zat laatst in de kamer.. komt vriend van me binnen,,, zovan, er hangt een bol in de lucht, vet vaag
heb fotos gemaakt ^^
checkk
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Op zaterdag 21 mei 2005 05:26 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
hoe ist btw men

Op zaterdag 21 mei 2005 05:26 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
vliegje

nee serieus , geen id mar kan alles wel zijn
hoe ist btw men

Op zaterdag 21 mei 2005 13:42 schreef coz het volgende:
we moesten er maar eens een meet ingooien
-_{zullen we er een ander topic voor hijacken}-