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  dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 @ 11:13:39 #101
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als je wilt, neem ook het filmpje van sts-80 mee
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  dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 @ 12:41:18 #102
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Ja, weet u wat, ik neem mijn laptop mee, plus DVDs vol met filmpjes, plus een beamer en dolby surround set, en dan zeg ik "dag, mijnheer, heeft u even?".

Ik hou 't voorlopig wel effe bij de stills !
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
  dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 @ 12:43:54 #103
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dolby heb je in principe niet nodig
maar laat het ons weten .. wat je waarschijnlijk toch wel doet
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  dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 @ 15:38:45 #104
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quote:
Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 00:32 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Hier heet ie: The Secret.NASA.Transmissions.The.Smoking.Gun(2004).DVDRIP.XViD.avi
Die heb ik ook maar dat zijn 2 verschillende Docu's
* Je mag wel een iets normalere toon aanslaan. Realiseer je goed dat dit slechts jouw mening is.
  dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 @ 20:02:00 #105
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Energy Must Flow
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Will do Coz, aye!

2NutZ, ja, het interview, en "the footage"
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
  woensdag 6 oktober 2004 @ 17:42:54 #106
45622 merlin693
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In memorial Gordon Cooper !
quote:
CNN) -- Leroy Gordon Cooper, one of the nation's first astronauts who once set a space endurance record by traveling more than 3.3 million miles aboard Gemini 5 in 1965, died on Monday, NASA said. He was 77.
en ook een van de weinige die openlijk over zijn UFO sightings sprak !
quote:
In his post-NASA career, Cooper became known as an outspoken believer in UFOs and charged that the government was covering up its knowledge of extraterrestrial activity.

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth," he told a United Nations panel in 1985.

"I feel that we need to have a top-level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the Earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion."

He added, "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/10/04/gordon.cooper/index.html
  woensdag 6 oktober 2004 @ 18:40:58 #107
102127 Hallulama
Energy Must Flow
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Tot nu toe bij een amateur fotograaf op bezoek geweest en bij een foto speciaalzaak, en beide zien niets herkenbaars (alszijnde reflectie of een ander raar effect veroorzaakt door het type zoom lens, instellingen, etc.) in de eerder geposte stills van de STS-75 opnamen, maarja, wat weten zij van filmen in space.

Binnenkort nog effe langs bij een andere toko, volgende week donderdag, dan staat er iemand met 25 jaar ervaring achter de balie, ik hou u op de hoogte.

En verder...

"In general I find it significant that these notorious “UFO videos” (STS-48, STS-75, STS-80, etc) occur just after sunrise, as a camera is still looking back towards the dark Earth and the newly-sunlit particles are starkly visible against a dark background. The darkness makes the auto-iris and gain control on the vidicon TV cameras go to maximum, which enhances the effect.

That’s especially notable for moving objects, which leave streaks on the camera optics -- even stars do this, when the camera pans rapidly.

There are many features of space shuttle hardware, space operations, and orbital mechanics which would cast light on these controversies, but which are ignored in the descriptions commonly found in the UFO press and on www sites. I speculate it’s because the promoters of these theories realize that the more ignorant and misinformed are their intended victims, the more vulnerable they are to deceptive explanations such as “UFOs”."
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
  zaterdag 9 oktober 2004 @ 17:40:37 #108
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sts-48 is verklaard als ijsdeeltje die wegschiet doordat een booster vuurt
er staan meerdere objecten op het filmpje van sts-80

als dat ijsdeeltjes zijn dan eis ik een ban voor een paar weken op mezelf
moet alleen wel eerst iemand kunnen bewijzen dat ijsdeeltjes stiekem geleerd hebben hoe ze moeten sturen

en sturen doen ze.. niet allemaal maar er zijn een paar te zien die behoorlijk vreemde banen beschrijven ..
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Misschien een beetje offtopic, maar het past er wel tussen.
Ik zag gisteren dat de Aarde eens een radiosignaal heeft ontvangen vanuit het heelal, maar nog niet heeft kunnen ontcijferen. En zo'n gast had een theorie dat er in onze melkweg zeker 10.000 beschavingen moeten bestaan. Vage shit , eerst zien dan geloven (laatste).
Inderdaad gaat de waarde die wij aan de mening van anderen hechten (...) in de regel bijna elke redelijke bedoeling te boven, zodat het als een soort algemeen verbreide of veeleer aangeboren manie kan worden beschouwd - Schopenhauer
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Ik heb gisteren eindelijk die film van The NASA Secret Transmissions gezien ...
Ik vond het fascinerend
Zoooooo veel ijskristallen

"There is an object right in front of you"
"I don't know what you're talking about"
"...Never Mind ..."
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
  maandag 11 oktober 2004 @ 13:15:22 #111
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psies en zo makkelijk gaat dat met die coverups
* Je mag wel een iets normalere toon aanslaan. Realiseer je goed dat dit slechts jouw mening is.
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mja eigenlijk is het geen echte coverup hé
De beelden waren vrij beschikbaar
(ze hebben wel de satelliet verplaatst van zodra ze wisten dat hun beelden onderschept werden)
Maar voor de rest kon iedereen de beelden downloaden

En zoals die ene zei : "We are not children, if there is something out there, we need to know"
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
  maandag 11 oktober 2004 @ 15:23:29 #113
45622 merlin693
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Ik meen dat ze later wel codering toe hebben gepast om ongewilde gasten van een plaatje te onthouden !

tegenwoordig kun je de space walks live op internet zien !
  maandag 11 oktober 2004 @ 15:59:09 #114
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Als het geen coverup is weer zijn al deze bewijzen dan in de krant en\of op t nieuws?
* Je mag wel een iets normalere toon aanslaan. Realiseer je goed dat dit slechts jouw mening is.
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Nee, ze vonden het wss niet de moeite om te vernoemen
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
  dinsdag 12 oktober 2004 @ 17:22:48 #116
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kom zeg ..de mensheid heeft nou net nog een beetje vertrouwen in de onafhankelijkheid van de media .. en dan zouden ze dat soort dingen gaan berichten
neuh

maaruh .. niemand gaat meer iets zeggen over dit onderwerp ?
( lees .. mogen we weer on-topic )
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  dinsdag 12 oktober 2004 @ 17:25:01 #117
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quote:
Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 09:47 schreef coz het volgende:
toch nog eens proberen
het was dus deze link !!

http://perso.club-internet.fr/netpat/video/sts80-1.mpeg
8mb 2minuten
en niet die van een paar seconden zoals in de OP
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  woensdag 13 oktober 2004 @ 04:09:19 #118
94904 ExtremeKnowledge
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ik heb de 2 600mb VHS opnames van The Case For Nasa Ufos, en ik heb Nasa the secret transmissions, the Smoking gun

Deze films worden geleverd met onder andere deze opnames, en dan allemaal met op dat moment Live commentaar..

Dit is Authentiek.. althans deze films zijn onbewerkt!.

Wat het allemaal is, mogen jullie zeggen. maar vallende sterren draaien niet om!
You have come, and found us sleeping..
But now we are awake!.
  donderdag 14 oktober 2004 @ 12:14:11 #119
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ijsdeeltjes ook niet

maar dat laatste is een beetje het probleem .. ik weet niet eens of mensen er naar kijken
behalve 'het clubje' hoor ik weinig anderen
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  dinsdag 26 oktober 2004 @ 14:28:30 #120
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op peak oil en de human chip na
beginnen er een beetje veel zweverige onderwerpen in truthtopiclijstje te staan
even wat afwisseling
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  maandag 8 november 2004 @ 18:33:05 #121
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quote:
Op woensdag 13 oktober 2004 04:09 schreef ExtremeKnowledge het volgende:
ik heb de 2 600mb VHS opnames van The Case For Nasa Ufos, en ik heb Nasa the secret transmissions, the Smoking gun

Deze films worden geleverd met onder andere deze opnames, en dan allemaal met op dat moment Live commentaar..

Dit is Authentiek.. althans deze films zijn onbewerkt!.

Wat het allemaal is, mogen jullie zeggen. maar vallende sterren draaien niet om!
net de eerste binnen .. na 15 minuten kan ik zeggen dat er volgens mij veel te veel uitleg in zit..
maar so far so good, het blijft ook jip en janneke taal denk ik
en daarin hebben ze iig beter materiaal als wat ik tot nu toe gezien heb
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  maandag 8 november 2004 @ 22:25:12 #122
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deel 2 .. zitten grote stukken theorie in over zwaartekracht / lichtsnelheid
en het einde verneukt het echt
het was bloedserieus .. en dan halen ze binnen de laatste 10 minuten nog even hoagland, 33e graad freemasons achtige toevalligheden en de sirius connectie aan * .. maar verder zit er een hoop leuke info in

( * zo van allemaal leuk en aardig, en daar kunnen en zullen ook elementen in zitten die waar zijn, maar het ondermijnt het hele verhaal een beetje omdat juist dat vrij hoog toevalligheidsgehalte bevat op sommige punten )

deel 2 begint met de sts-80 missie
en ps het aantal 'objecten' rond die tether is vond ik veel maar is ronduit belachelijk te noemen
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  donderdag 10 maart 2005 @ 18:56:13 #123
52513 whosvegas
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sts 80
Is heel duidelijk een meteoor. Een stukje steen of ruimte afval dat in de atmosfeer verbrand.
Are you nuts??
  donderdag 10 maart 2005 @ 19:26:42 #124
45622 merlin693
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heb je de docu gezien ?
  donderdag 10 maart 2005 @ 20:19:47 #125
115996 francorex
Earth stationary not spinning
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quote:
Op donderdag 10 maart 2005 19:26 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
heb je de docu gezien ?
neen !

waar kan ik deze films downloaden ?
  donderdag 10 maart 2005 @ 20:27:22 #126
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top een schop en een reactie
(ik zal niet inhoudelijk gaan hakken voorlopig , tenzij je een discussie aandurft zie spoiler )
en ik weet niet over welke van de ufo's je precies deze mening vormt maar ik gok die het langst gevolgd word
SPOILER
Om spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.
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  donderdag 10 maart 2005 @ 20:33:25 #127
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quote:
Op donderdag 10 maart 2005 20:19 schreef francorex het volgende:
neen !
waar kan ik deze films downloaden ?
probeer een electronische muilezel
desnoods email
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  donderdag 10 maart 2005 @ 21:40:47 #128
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quote:
Op donderdag 10 maart 2005 20:33 schreef coz het volgende:

[..]

probeer een electronische muilezel
desnoods email
heb geen download programma !

is er nergens een site waar ik kan downloaden?

[ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door francorex op 11-03-2005 19:21:27 ]
  vrijdag 11 maart 2005 @ 08:44:36 #129
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  vrijdag 11 maart 2005 @ 19:20:58 #130
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ik neem me voor om nu niet een paar maanden me te verbazen over het gebrek aan aandacht rondom deze filmpjes

enkel commentaar 'nep' kom ik dan gelukkig ook niet tegen
maar dat is dan ook wel het andere uiterste
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  vrijdag 11 maart 2005 @ 19:22:53 #131
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quote:
Op vrijdag 11 maart 2005 19:20 schreef coz het volgende:
en verwijder je email nu weer uit dit topic
quote:
[ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door francorex op 11-03-2005 19:21 ]
dat is snel
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  vrijdag 11 maart 2005 @ 19:45:11 #132
115996 francorex
Earth stationary not spinning
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quote:
Op vrijdag 11 maart 2005 19:22 schreef coz het volgende:

[..]


[..]

dat is snel
thx for tip

ga nog zien wat ik ga doen...ik laat dan wel iets weten
  dinsdag 15 maart 2005 @ 13:31:35 #133
45622 merlin693
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quote:
From: Dave Haith <visions.nul>
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:33:32 -0000
Fwd Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:43:40 -0500
Subject: Moon UFO On Lunar TV Transmission


Moon UFO On Lunar TV Transmission - Former NASA Employee

The report, below, is the recollection of a trusted friend of mine
who would be happy for the incident to be fully investigated by
researchers on this List.

To avoid giving him unnecessary hassle he would like to remain
incognito for the present but would probably be willing to go
public if his case was being treated seriously.

He is happy to communicate with anybody keen to get to grips
with his story - but initially prefers to do it through me via
email.

Write to me privately or via the List and I will forward on to
'D', who I have to say I have complete respect for. I have done
some checking on the Web and can find no inconsistencies
regarding his descriptions of the MSC and those who worked there
at the time. But I have neither the expertise, contacts or
resources to further investigate what appears to be a very
important case.

DH

-----

An Oil Drop On A Camera Lens

When I first started working for NASA, its initials, not the
name, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, was how it
was referred to. NASA is with whom I began employment in 1958 as
a security guard on Wayside in Houston Texas. They hadn't even
started building Manned Spacecraft Center at Webster yet, which
would later be called MSC at Clear Lake.

In 1961, I transferred to the Fire Department at the fledgling
MSC and started training as a Fire and Safety Technician. The
contractor responsible for Fire and Safety was Houston Fire and
Safety. They held the contract for five years, losing out to
Wackenhut Corporation out of Coral Gables Florida in 1966
because Wackenhut incorporated all phases of fire, safety and
security under one blanket contract. Some say that George
Wackenhut had first, Kennedy's, then Johnson's ear, but I
haven't seen proof of it.

Everybody who hired in as a Fire Fighter was cross-trained in
almost every aspect of maintenance operations. I attended
numerous schools on fire alarm systems, pump repair, electrical
and mechanical maintenance, physical plant operations, and last
and certainly not the least, fire, safety and security. We were
told that we had to pass a very rigid security clearance
investigation, and that our job would be forfeit if we did no
pass. I passed with flying colors and kept my job. There were
several who did not pass, and we were never told why they had
been laid off.

When I started, there were approximately three hundred eighty
men who were attached to the fire department there at MSC. I saw
a lot of men come and go during my twenty-six years of
employment, but I never saw anyone who was willing to speak out
about the rigid security. Even in later years, I kept in touch
with several of my closest friends, when conversations turned to
anything we were told not to talk about, there was always
someone there to remind us that we had been told not to discuss
it, even after we were no longer there.

I saw things, and heard statements from Astronauts that I didn't
discuss, even with my wife or family. It was like a gigantic
trust handed us and we honored it. To this day, I don't talk
about everything I heard when I was around the Astronauts, at
least not in detail.

There were several incidents that occurred during my tenure as
an employee and to several of the Fire Fighters that got all of
us thinking about how our government wasn't telling all they
knew. For instance, in Building #1 on Johnson Space center,
which was Building #2 when I first started work there, most of
the north center of the second floor was the "crypto" room. We
didn't know what went on in the room, but we did know that we
weren't allowed in the room under normal circumstances. However,
when an alarm came in at the Fire Station, we responded to the
floor of the building that showed up on the enunciator panel at
the station, One time, around 1964, we responded to Bldg.#2 to
find that the alarm originated from the "crypto" room.

However, the doors were open and we just walked in to check the
minor panel located there.

The whole east wall was covered with photos of UFOs. As we
finished up, the officer of that room came back in and found us
there. He actually pulled his sidearm and pointed it at us
before demanding to know why we had entered that room.

He eventually accepted our explanation, but it took Everette D.
Shafer*, head of NASA Security to vouch for us before the man
would shut off his threats towards us. Everette Shafer reminded
him, that had the armed officer been there in the room with the
door locked, the incident could have been avoided. No, that was
one very unhappy officer. I think he was Air Force, but I could
be wrong; he was a Captain, I do remember that. When I came back
from the Cape in 1968, we had another incident in the very same
room, and the same officer was there also.

This time, he had Mr. Shafer to give the okay for us to enter
the room, with him as our armed escort. But this time the walls
on all four sides were photo-to-photo of UFOs and other very
strange looking aircraft. We did our job, got out of there, but
Mr. Shafer and the officer both told us to not speak to anyone
of what we saw or observed in that room, ever!

During Man Rated Tests, the fire department was trained to be
rescuers should anything happen. Or job was to stand-by in
readiness during many long hours of boring, repetitious, and
meaningless exercises. Most times it was not the Astronauts
themselves who performed the exercises, rather it was trained
test subjects who did. We all became acquainted with them.

Buildings #7, #32, and #33 on Manned Spacecraft Center, were the
test sites for Vacuum Chamber related tests. In Building #32,
was housed the largest vacuum chamber in the free world. In
Building #33, was the ultra-high vacuum test chamber, and
Building #7 housed three test chambers. Building #7 is also
where the Astronauts Space suits were manufactured.

Throughout the sixties, we performed numerous duties, some at
MSC, while others were at Area 2000 at Ellington AFB in Genoa,
Texas. Area 2000 was where the Lunar Landing Training Vehicle
was tested and flown by test pilots and Astronauts. I was Crew
Chief of the Contract Fire Department personnel at Area 2000 for
close to a year, working all three shifts due to loss of
personnel or whatever, but eventually being promoted up the
ladder to Training Officer.

Not anything really special happened while I was Training
Officer, but I did get to go places that was off limits to other
personnel. It was one of my jobs to draw the pre-fire attack
plans for every building on Site, to accomplish that job, I had
the need to enter all buildings and accurately record everything
of interest towards fire, safety, and security onto drawings.
That is why I remember so much detail concerning the buildings,
their locations, the interior layouts, and where all exits and
equipment relating to Fire, Safety and Security were located.

Another part of everyone's job was the Safety patrols during any
mission. From the first day on the job, before we were trained
to become good little NASA Fire Fighters, we were told that we
would perform various duties during our employment, that we
would be constantly training, ensuring that we all would have
the latest knowledge to do our job with the highest of
proficiency.

Part of the training regimen was to know, and I do mean know,
every building so intimately that we could draw a set of plans
for them in our sleep. We ate, slept, and dreamed of building
plans; construction materials inside and out, how many panels
and manufacturer name of all alarm systems; how to repair or
reset those systems; what was in the buildings that could be
dangerous to us during emergencies.etc. but mostly the interior
layout, hallways, exits, room locations.

With that small introduction, I will now attempt to give you the
details of the safety patrols for Integrated Mission Control
Center, commonly known as Building #30 on Johnson Space Center.

Building #30 is not just one building, rather it is two separate
buildings, each having distinct functions. There is the
Administrative side that houses support personnel, and the
Mission Operations Control Rooms, otherwise known as the MOCR.
By the way, at the time I was there, the Admin side of Building
#30 was the building that housed the office of James Oberg.

There are two MOCR's located in IMCC, one on the second floor
and one on the third floor. The building is like a big square,
windowless structure sitting right next to the Southwestern Bell
building. You can't miss it, because it is the only building
that looks like it. Three stories inside, it looks more like a
five- storied structure from the outside. As you have most
likely ascertained by now, there are some very high ceilings
inside the MOCR's.

Although we were never told we couldn't go into the MOCR's
during missions, all of the safety inspectors assumed that we
weren't welcome, that maybe we would be a distraction. However,
we were allowed in every section surrounding the MOCR's.

On the second and third floors, there was the outside section,
and the center section with a hallway completely around the
inside of the building that separated the outside section from
the inside. The outside section of the building housed the air
handlers, workshops, soft and hardware support offices, and tool
rooms, while the inside portion was dedicated to the MOCR and
it's support.

In the MOCR itself, was a huge screen that stretched across the
entire wall. It was the mission map, which kept the technicians
apprised where the vehicle was at any given moment during its
orbits above the earth. On one end was the big television
screen, which received its picture from a large bank of cameras
directly behind the screen.

Those cameras generated a lot of heat, and part of our duty
during inspections was to make sure that there weren't any
ignitable materials in that area. It was kept dark for some
reason, but the cameras gave off enough light so a person didn't
stumble around in there. It was also very cold most of the time,
especially during missions.

At the back of the MOCR is a series of glass windows. These
windows are set into the wall that makes up the barrier that
separates the viewing room from the MOCR. The viewing room has
two doors for entry. Entry is accomplished by getting off the
elevator, taking a right down the hall, and the first door is
the first entryway. About twenty-five feet further down the hall
is the second door. Situated between them is a small door about
three to four feet high. This door lets a maintenance technician
into the area under the viewing room.

On each side of the room, to the front are located phone booths,
one on each side of the window. There are about eight rows of
seats with a set of slight stairs that separate them into two
sections. The seats are similar to any seat you may see in a
movie house, but way more comfortable.

Mounted on the wall above the big windows are two large screen
colored TV's with several high mounted speakers so the viewer
can listen in to the conversations between the Astronauts and
the ground crews.

At the back of the room, right at the top of the center stairs,
is a minor alarm panel. It was this minor alarm panel that
safety had to monitor during all missions. The room was
relatively quiet, cool and very comfortable. It was here I
always chose to take a pipe break. My partner was also a pipe
smoker, so we shared stories, listened to the quiet banter
between the ground crew and the vehicle, and actually didn't pay
much attention to what was going on in the MOCR.

Nothing out of the way ever occurred in the Missions, but during
one particular Mission, something so unique happened that I
would always remember it. Jim Baker and I had been doing the
regular routine safety inspection during a Manned Mission to the
Moon.

We entered the viewing room at the end of our patrol, and as was
our wont, sat at the back of the room to enjoy a pipe. We both
smoked a pipe, and the viewing room allowed smokers. We had been
there for no longer than fifteen minutes, it may have been
longer, but I doubt it, when the stage left door opened and in
walked several, at least five of the upper echelon
administrators of Johnson Space Center.

Uh, it actually wasn't called Johnson Space Center at that time;
rather the name was Manned Spacecraft Center. Anyway, I do know
that one of the people was definitely Chrome Dome, as we were
irreverently known to call Dr. Gilruth. At that time I had hair
and found it funny to refer to one of the finest minds our
country had by the moniker, "Chrome Dome."

Just prior to their entering the viewing room, Jim and I noticed
that the Technicians in the MOCR had gotten up and left the
room. Now, that isn't unusual during a normal EVA, but the
Astronauts were in Hadley's Rille. They couldn't be seen because
they were over the edge, down in the Rille itself. The Lunar
Rover was about thirty, maybe forty or more yards from the edge,
and had the left front camera on the spot where the Astronauts
had disappeared. You could hear the Astronauts voices talking,
but as in most of the dialogs, we weren't paying close attention
to what they were saying. We did notice the technicians getting
up and leaving the MOCR. Jim is the one who actually said
something about it.

"Looks as if everyone got a bee in their bonnet at the same
time, don't it?" "Most probably their piss and lunch break," I
offered. It was right after I made that statement, that Dr.
Gilruth entered, and several others came in with him. They
didn't look back, just went to the center of the viewing room
and were talking excitedly among themselves and pointing towards
the big screen to the right of the main screen in the MOCR.

Jim and I then paid close attention to what was on the screen.
There was an object above the spot where the Astronauts were
supposed to be in Hadley's Rille, just hovering. I am totally
positive as to it being an object; it was round, it had a shiny
side with a shadow side, with the shadow side matching the
shadows on the moon, and though all the video shots coming from
the moon looked black and white, they could actually have been
in color. The harsh lighting was probably responsible for the
illusion of black and white.

Anyway, The object started a slow move from screen left to
screen right. The camera on the left front of the Rover followed
the object as it moved screen right. Soon it was apparent that
it actually wasn't moving screen right, but was circling the
Rover.

The Rover has two mounted cameras on it. One camera was mounted
on the left front and one on the right rear. As the object came
into view of the right rear, that camera picked up the object
and continued tracking it as it circled, very slowly around the
Rover. It finally came to the point where the right rear camera
could no longer follow it, so the left front camera picked up
the image again and followed it to where it was once more above
where the Astronauts were in Hadley's Rille.

I uttered something that brought us to the attention of Dr.
Gilruth and the others. "What the crap is that? What caused me
to utter that phrase was, the object took off straight up and
went out of sight in less than a second. It may have been
longer, but seemed like it was gone in the blink of an eye, but
I was still aware that it had actually gone straight up.

One of the men there, I still think it was Everette Shafer,
turned and asked us what we were doing in the room, and we told
them that we were there to inspect the fire alarm panel at the
rear of the room and to take our smoke break. And to ask a
question of our own. "What in hell was that about?"

Can you believe they actually told us it was a drop of oil on
the lens of the camera on the moon? Truth! Now, I am not stupid,
though I have done a few stupid things in my life, like getting
married the first time, but I know a pile of schlock when I hear
it! It wasn't a drop of oil, no way!

I opened my mouth and said, "There's no way it was on the lens
on the camera on the moon."

"The temperature would freeze the drop solid."

Which the man holding my clearance in his hand, reading my name
replied, "I mean it was a drop of oil on the camera lens at the
back of that screen." To which he pointed. Okay, it was a good
place to shut up and get out of the viewing room, but.. Once
more I said something because as I have previously stated, I'm
not stupid!

"There's no way that drop of oil is on any one of those lenses
at the back of the screen, because of the temperature."

"The heat is high enough back there to set the drop of oil on
fire."

Who ever it was holding my badge in his hand, says, "If you want
to keep your job, you'll get out of here and keep your mouth
shut about what occurred here."

Not about what I saw, not about why I was in there, just get out
and keep my mouth shut about what had occured. I pulled away
from him, turned to Jim and said lets go.

When we exited the room, to our surprise, there was Dick Nieber
and Loring E. Williams of security on the doors. They were as
surprised at seeing us come out of the room as we were at seeing
them standing guard there. Further, they told us that Andrado
and two others were on the rear doors to keep unauthorized
people out of there.

Then they told us their story: They were pulled away from
vehicular patrol and told to go immediately to IMCC and the
second floor MOCR viewing room and stand guard until further
notice. They were told that absolutely nobody other than Dr.
Gilruth and the people who were with him were to be allowed into
the room. It's no wonder our being there disturbed Dr. Gilruth
and the others; we weren't supposed to be there.

When Nieber asked us what had happened in there, we told them we
couldn't discuss it. They thought that the Astronauts had been
killed. That was what had been circulating between them while
they were guarding the doors to the viewing room. Wrong! That
same evening, I sat at the typewriter and wrote out everything,
time, date, place, and mission, plus all the names I could
remember of who were there with all the facts concerning the
incident, and asked Jim Baker to read it and sign it. He read it
and signed it on condition that I would give him a copy of the
report. I went to the copier, and made six complete copies of
the report and gave Jim one of them.

Incidentally, when we arrived back at the fire station, Sgt.
Thomas Walsh asked us to come to the dispatcher's office to
speak to him. He closed the door and told us that he'd received
a call from Shafer, that no matter what we had seen or heard in
the viewing room, we were not supposed to discuss it with anyone
at all, ever, because it had to do with National Security.
"National Security over a drop of oil on a camera lens?" I think
not!

Jim Baker died in 1983 of a sudden heart attack. He was forty-
six and one of my best friends and we got together regularly at
his home, in his gun shop to discuss different people and
things. The last time I saw him alive, I asked him if he still
had his report hidden away and he told me he had actually burned
his copy, but had given a copy to another friend from West
Virginia who wanted it.

I retired in 1979, and moved to Austin Texas. I was security
dispatcher for the LBJ Presidential Library there in Austin when
I got a call from Jim's daughter, Amey, telling me that her
father had passed away early that morning.

Jim's last words to me, there in his little gun shop was, "You
sure raised hell over that drop of oil, but you were right, they
were full of shit and you knew it."


*:Spelling may be Sheaffer, or Sheafer
http://www.virtuallystran(...)05/mar/m11-006.shtml
  vrijdag 18 maart 2005 @ 01:28:03 #134
45622 merlin693
Huh ! Asmodeus & me
pi_25557639
Wie heeft die docu "Man im Mond " gezien ?
  zondag 20 maart 2005 @ 01:21:52 #135
45622 merlin693
Huh ! Asmodeus & me
pi_25602399
running now !
  zondag 20 maart 2005 @ 02:03:10 #136
102127 Hallulama
Energy Must Flow
pi_25603151
Ik download 'm, is 't wat?
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
  donderdag 24 maart 2005 @ 17:31:31 #137
45622 merlin693
Huh ! Asmodeus & me
pi_25711304
Ja is een goede met een speciaal einde (Nixon,Kubrick und der man im mond )

kreeg net een leuk foto'tje die ik jullie niet wilde onthouden en zeker niet het commentaar van de prominente antie-hoaxer

zijn comentaar :
quote:
OK, what dumbass released this to the press?!!!


zijn wat nieuwe NASA docu's enz bijgekomen..de uitzending start zo weer !
  donderdag 24 maart 2005 @ 17:59:37 #138
90061 coz
laat een bericht achter na de
pi_25712060
zozo, terug na weekje of wat weggeweesd ..drukdruk
quote:
nofi enzo maar kun je er een nederlandse korte samenvatting bij geven
voor de mensen die niet meer als 3 regels lezen enzo

ik heb het zelf eigenlijk niet eens doorgeworsteld (tnt, tijdgebrek enzo) nog maar toch
(en onder voorbehoud natuurlijk .. dan had ik het eerst moeten lezen)
dit topic wilde ik wel een beetje behouden voor de filmpjes , niet de maanlanding en geen lange teksten tenzij die weer gaan over een van de filmpjes ..bvd
Leesen verrry carefully, I weel zay zis only once
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
  donderdag 24 maart 2005 @ 18:52:57 #139
102127 Hallulama
Energy Must Flow
pi_25713318
Eeh, ik weet niet meer waar precies, maar ik zag ooit een zelfde soort opstelling in een museum, en je weet hoe echt een decor er uit kan zien op TV of foto, ga maar na
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
  donderdag 24 maart 2005 @ 18:57:02 #140
115996 francorex
Earth stationary not spinning
pi_25713411
waar kan ik die docu zien?
  donderdag 24 maart 2005 @ 18:57:44 #141
45622 merlin693
Huh ! Asmodeus & me
pi_25713426
coz ik zou zeggen bekijk de webcast ! filmpjes zat (laatste regel signature)
  donderdag 24 maart 2005 @ 20:09:23 #142
90061 coz
laat een bericht achter na de
pi_25714917


... ook een aanrader voor francorex
ik zag volgens mij net het begin van de docu dus ik neem aan dat ie er helemaal op staat

mss kun je op die pagina er even bijzetten in tekst hoe lang die webcast duurt en dus waarneer die opnieuw start .. en waaruit de delen komen.
voor de volledigheid
( en dan kan ik de hele stream in een keer goed rippen ... of heb je een downloadversie ? )

ik heb nog wel een paar ideetjes voor kleine veranderingen en tegen de kleine bugs op de site .......zoals

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[20:38] Disconnected from [snip]

hmmm ?
...verder

[ Bericht 16% gewijzigd door coz op 24-03-2005 20:38:25 ]
Leesen verrry carefully, I weel zay zis only once
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
  donderdag 24 maart 2005 @ 22:57:15 #143
45622 merlin693
Huh ! Asmodeus & me
pi_25719533
ja ik heb alles hier coz (en nog veel meer ! )mail me maar ff op jmt1970@xs4all.nl (dont rip it ..ik kan een ftp acount voor je aanmaken ! )

P.S. de rest zou ik denk ik eerst ff toestemming van de mods moeten vragen !

P.S.2 ja mn lan checker loopt dol nu ! sommige adrresen zijn ook grappig

[ Bericht 28% gewijzigd door merlin693 op 24-03-2005 23:29:36 ]
  vrijdag 25 maart 2005 @ 00:29:09 #144
9740 Knarf
Ik hou niet van titels
pi_25721924
quote:
Op donderdag 24 maart 2005 17:31 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
Ja is een goede met een speciaal einde (Nixon,Kubrick und der man im mond )

kreeg net een leuk foto'tje die ik jullie niet wilde onthouden en zeker niet het commentaar van de prominente antie-hoaxer
[afbeelding]
zijn comentaar :
[..]



zijn wat nieuwe NASA docu's enz bijgekomen..de uitzending start zo weer !
Achja, photosoep is makkelijk roepen, maar in dit geval wel terecht denk ik.
De schaduwwerking klopt niet veel van.

[plaatje]

[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Knarf op 25-03-2005 00:36:00 ]
Don't Hold Me Back, This Is My Own Hell.
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  vrijdag 25 maart 2005 @ 00:34:24 #145
9740 Knarf
Ik hou niet van titels
pi_25721999
Twee keer
Don't Hold Me Back, This Is My Own Hell.
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  vrijdag 25 maart 2005 @ 00:37:44 #146
90061 coz
laat een bericht achter na de
pi_25722064
lol
(merlin was met die foto niet echt serieus )
edit : en dat wist ik ook wel .. ff voor de kijkers thuis

@merlin
tnx .. ohya staat me vaag nog iets van bij met ftp
maar toen was me hd zga vol
rippen was een beetje flauw
(ik moet eerst mijn bak fixen )

[ Bericht 27% gewijzigd door coz op 25-03-2005 00:44:46 ]
Leesen verrry carefully, I weel zay zis only once
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
  vrijdag 25 maart 2005 @ 00:40:39 #147
9740 Knarf
Ik hou niet van titels
pi_25722108
quote:
Op vrijdag 25 maart 2005 00:37 schreef coz het volgende:
lol
(merlin was met die foto niet echt serieus )
Weet ik
Don't Hold Me Back, This Is My Own Hell.
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  vrijdag 25 maart 2005 @ 00:52:46 #148
90061 coz
laat een bericht achter na de
pi_25722314
back ontopic mode

maar samengevat ?

+ heel veel filmpjes
+ met heel veel vreemde dingen
- sommige dingen op sommige flmpjes zijn/worden ontkracht
Leesen verrry carefully, I weel zay zis only once
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
  vrijdag 25 maart 2005 @ 19:54:19 #149
115996 francorex
Earth stationary not spinning
pi_25740259
quote:
Op donderdag 24 maart 2005 18:57 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
coz ik zou zeggen bekijk de webcast ! filmpjes zat (laatste regel signature)
hoe lang duurt die hele film?

heb gisterenavond 4 uur aan één stuk gekeken ! tot aan het 'derde reich ....'

beestige docu's over ufo! héél goed met die verklarende uitleg !!!

is het mogelijk om specifieke stukken te (her)bekijkenof te downloaden ?
  vrijdag 25 maart 2005 @ 20:08:28 #150
45622 merlin693
Huh ! Asmodeus & me
pi_25740626
mail me ff francorex ( jmt1970@xs4all.nl ) dan regelen we wel wat !
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